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Historic District Leads To Tax Credits


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October 5th, 2008 · 11 Comments

I have two lamps from IKEA that don’t work anymore. They are about 10 years old, a short lifespan for a lamp. In an ideal world, I’d take them to the local lamp repair shop, to get rewired or whatever it takes to get them shining again. But the world is not ideal enough to support the economy of the lamp repair shop these days because at some point not so long ago it became cheaper to replace the broken lamps with new lamps. Which is an irony that IKEA itself mocked with one of their commercials with new is better.

Buildings and lamps it seems have something in common. Rehabbing an older building becomes a speadsheet game of finding the cheaper way to get to better. Which is why, in the interests of public good, tax credits for restoring and repurposing buildings exist.

Norwalk’s Redevelopment Agency has filed an applicaiton to create a historic district with the National Park Service for what was once the historical downtown of Norwalk. That would be the Wall Street area, wiped out by the flood of 1955. Naturally, being Norwalk, there’s some opposition to the creation of the district. The Advocate reports:

About two years after announcing its intentions to preserve the old city center at Wall and Main streets, the Norwalk Redevelopment Agency has submitted an application to create a national historic district.

The agency’s goal is to allow developers to receive tax breaks to restore historically and architecturally significant buildings, but some property owners oppose the designation, saying it will restrict their rights and create unnecessary bureaucracy.

The proposed district is roughly T-shaped and includes about 40 structures on Wall, Commerce and Knight streets. It includes a mix of late 19th- and early 20th-century architectural styles, along with the stone arch bridge over the Norwalk River.

Munro Johnson, a senior project manager with the Redevelopment Agency, said creating the district is a way to preserve history in a neighborhood that is about to be redeveloped.

“I think over time people’s view of revitalizing downtowns has evolved to recognize the important role that historic buildings play in conveying a sense of place,” Johnson said. “Certainly you can do all new construction.”

Michael McGuire, principal of Austin McGuire Co., a real estate appraisal company that owns part of 64 Wall St., said the designation likely will reduce property values because of the added bureaucracy.

“I look at it as just another imposition on my property rights,” McGuire said. “While it might often seem to benefit the larger population, sometimes it doesn’t.”

A few property owners opposing the designation point to the case of 93 East Ave. The house, listed on the National Register of Historic Places, stands in disrepair after preservationists blocked demolition by the owners of the Norwalk Inn & Conference Center to make way for an addition.

A former theater at 71 Wall St. built in 1915 also is included in the district, and is part of the Wall Street Place redevelopment plan being managed by Poko Partners of Port Chester, N.Y. Andrew Kydes manages the building, owned by his wife, Mary Kyriakides.

Kydes will vote against the historic district, and said his plans for the former theater are in limbo because Poko is proposing an eight-story structure where there is parking for his building.

“This is one step toward socialism, where people dictate what you can or can’t do with your property,” Kydes said.

Massimo Tullio, an owner of Fat Cat Pie Co. on Wall Street, favors a historic district.

Tullio, who is buying the 1850s building that houses his restaurant and once was an opera house, said the area will keep its charm if the city guarantees preservation.

Michael DiScala, whose company is developing the Head of the Harbor project behind Fat Cat, said the benefits of a historic district far outweigh the extra bureaucracy.

In 1988, DiScala revamped the old Trolley Barn building that now houses Meigas Restaurant, taking advantage of tax credits.

“I think what makes Norwalk unique is we have a knack for blending the historical buildings with new buildings,” DiScala said. “Some of these buildings . . . would probably not be approved for demolition anyway. Why not take advantage of the designation?”

The historic district designation  actually has little bureacracy attached to it. The designation simply allows for individual property owners to qualify for applications for federal tax credits should they seek them. Once federal tax credits are granted to a property owner, then the layer of bureaucracy kicks in, with regulations about how the historic rehab will be conducted. The other reg that kicks in is a federal 90 day wait on any demolition of buildings within the designated historic district. This really doesn’t affect Norwalk property owners since Norwalk already has a 90 day delay ordinance.

Essentially a National Register listing means that a property has been researched and evaluated according to established procedures and determined to be worthy of preservation for its historical value. It’s an honor bestowed on the property. The listing doesn’t obligate or restrict a private owner in any way unless the owner seeks that federal benefit of dollars through a grant or a tax credit. That tax credit is a 20% federal investment tax credit that can be claimed against the cost of a certified rehabilitation of an income-producing historic building.

Not a bad deal if you were totaling up that spreadsheet of costs of fixing versus building new. Lamps should be so lucky.


source:
Advocate, History in the making at Wall and Main, By Lisa Chamoff, 10/03/2008

Tags: History

11 Responses so far “Historic District Leads To Tax Credits”



  • 1 Anonymous // Oct 5, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Let’s hope the historic theater that Kydes’ sister in law owns on Wall St. doesn’t fall victim to the same kind of abuse that 93 East Avenue did. He’s obviously gearing up for a fight to maximize the return for his hive on their investment. Just watch. They’ll start screaming “Eminent Domain!” long before negotiations get close to needing arbitration.

    Is it an ethnic thing? Look at the derelict Ludlow Square shopping slum in East Norwalk, owned by the Penny’s Diner family (who also own the derelict empty lot at I-95 and East Avenue where the HoJo used to be).

  • 2 Old Timer // Oct 5, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Does that mean that the owner can demolish 93 East, after 90 days waiting time ? It seems it has been much longer than that.

  • 3 Sick of the BS // Oct 5, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    #2, yes it does, and yes it has.

    Interestingly, the boundaries of the Historic District on East Avenue, which encompass the area surrounding the Green, END at Morgan Avenue.

    Which makes one wonder, why is there so much fuss over 93 East Avenue, since the house IS NOT INSIDE THE BOUNDARIES of the Historic District. And if it is not inside those boundaries, then the Preservation Trust is overstepping their “authority” and harassing the owner of the house, Mr. Handrinos, who by Connecticut and City law, has the right to do with his legally owned property whatever HE sees fit. Regardless of how the PT feels about it.

  • 4 Anonymous // Oct 6, 2008 at 6:57 am

    #2 - No it doesn’t! There is a temporary injunction that has been placed on the demolition by a judge.

    #3 is spreading more disinformation along the same lines as the McCain campaign, so probably is a disgruntled Republican ally of Handrinos.

    #93 East Avenue is included in a National Historic District. This issue has been well-covered on this blog before. Just do a search and you’ll uncover the truth, as well as the lies and disinformation that Handrinos and his slumlord pals continue to attempt to skew the truth with.

  • 5 New Name // Oct 6, 2008 at 7:15 am

    If the Green area is “historic” how do you explain the modern office buildings. I’m not complaining, exactly, they’re well maintained and not eyesores, but they sure as hell aren’t historic! How’d they get there?

  • 6 Sick of the BS // Oct 6, 2008 at 7:58 am

    The only actual “historic” building in that area is Andy Kydes’ office building on the corner of Westport Avenue. It’s the only building in this “historic” area that is 100% completely original.

    Even St. Paul’s Church is the 3rd building to be erected on that site. The only other “historic” thing there is the Green itself - and if you go back and look at the pictures, you’ll see that even the Green isn’t 100% of what it was either. It’s been made smaller in order to fit East Avenue’s 4 lanes and the intersection at the top of East Ave. and Wall St. (Mill Hill).

    Not only that, but the statue down at the end of Gregory Blvd. where you turn left to go down Calf Pasture Beach Road was originally in the middle of the East Ave./Mill Hill intersection, and was MOVED to its present location back in the late 1960s, because apparently the City government thought that we drivers were too stupid to figure out how to get through the area with it in the middle of the road. THERE’S the rest of what used to be the “historic” Green - sitting at tne other end of town.

    And the cannon that used to be on top of the War Memorial on the Green is now sitting in front of the VFW on North Avenue.

    If people in this town want to protect the history, then they would do a lot better to keep the historic things where they belong, and NOT allow them to be moved helter-skelter all over the place at the whim of some stupid polititicians.

    But they didn’t seem to care when all the historic things that USED to exist were moved, carved up, or torn down. They didn’t bother saving our history for the last 100 years, why now should we pay any attention to anything they say today?

  • 7 Is it a Norwalk thing? // Oct 6, 2008 at 8:06 am

    It’s a knee-jerk reaction to myths about National Register Districts. If you don’t want the tax credits and don’t have a feasible alternative to demoltion, you can do as you please — within local zoning, of course.

    93 East Avenue is an exception and not likely to happen again. NPT went to court (with the National Trust, CT Trust and the CT AG) based on the CT Environmental Protection Act which protects registered historic properties from “unreasonable demoliton if feasible alternatives exist.” The key is “unreasonable” and “feasible alternatives”. The CT EPA is rarely applied — maybe once or twice since historic preservation was added in (I think) 1979.)

    Also in the National Regsiter District was the carriage house behind the Hoyt-Cognetta Funeral Home. Historic and interesting? yes. Alternatives? sure. It would have made a great repurposed rental or condo. Owners saw it differntly. Discussions ended. Building was demolished for parking after 90 day delay.

    So, unless somene is willing to go to the wall for a really, really significant building, there’s nothing stopping demolition in a National Register District. And only if there are alternatives that meet the owner’s business objectives first and foremost.

    The area is a great represenation of “main street” and could be as appealing as SoNo (maybe more so) and other National Register downtown districts that draw customer’s precisely because of that historic aesthetic.

    What is it with this town that “preservation” is ALWAYS seen as a downside? The Norwalk Inn could have had its expansion, created a unique property in a historic district, raised their rates, and gotten tax credits for the repurposing years ago, but, no, the knee jerk, simplistic, anti-preservation mindset took hold to create the appalling lose-lose we now have. I guess it’s because we’re Norwalk and not Westport — which has national AND local districts. Doesn’t seem to be hurting their business any.

  • 8 Old Timer // Oct 6, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Wilton buys properties they think should be preserved. The Ambler Farm property, for example. Then first selectman Bob Russell negotiated with the attorney for Mrs Ambler’s estate and bought the property after she died. It is now town owned, largely restored, and managed by the historical society.
    Norwalk has encouraged preservation, but only when done with private capital. The cast iron front building on South Main St, for example.

  • 9 Anonymous // Oct 6, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    “largely restored and managed”

    Have you actually SEEN the Ambler Farm property? I drive past it twice a day on my commute to and from work.

    Nothing has been done to the house. It sits empty, paint peeling, mildew spots showing inside and out, no furniture inside, no curtains on the windows, nothing done to the proeprty except to keep the lawn mowed. It’s basically an empty, abandoned house that no one does anything at all with.

    They have a farmer’s market there but the actual market is up far away from the road and almost inside the Rolling Hills Country Club property.

  • 10 Anonymous // Oct 6, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    “largely restored and managed”

    Have you actually SEEN the Ambler Farm property? I drive past it twice a day on my commute to and from work.

    Nothing has been done to the house. It sits empty, paint peeling, mildew spots showing inside and out, no furniture inside, no curtains on the windows, nothing done to the proeprty except to keep the lawn mowed. It’s basically an empty, abandoned house that no one does anything at all with.

    They have a farmer’s market there but the actual market is up far away from the road and almost inside the Rolling Hills Country Club property

  • 11 Wiltonian // Oct 7, 2008 at 8:36 am

    #9 — have you actually BEEN IN the Ambler Farm property? Clearly not.

    There are a number of refurbished buildings there that are now used for educational purposes, kids’ summer camp, and a variety of functions. There is a house that is lived in by Kevin Meehan, the science department head for Cider Mill School as caretaker, with a small garden, rabbits and other things for kids (and older kids) to explore. They hold cooking classes there, and they make maple syrup in the winter (which visitors can participate in). Supervised kids run the farm stand and gain a sense of business experience.

    The main house (which you allude to) is set for major renovations that will make it into the structure you think it should be (with curtains, period furniture, and a modern office). They have the funding for it, and the Town has reviewed and approved the plans under their Public Private Partnership (the Town contributed some of the funds for the restoration and therefore has review rights to make sure the renovations are appropriate and well thought through).

    This is an example of a very good cooperative project. It is unfortunate that this comment didn’t come up last week — last Sunday was Ambler Farm Day and you could have seen the place for yourself, complete with hayrides, making your own scarecrow, buying homemade apple pies, crafts for the kids, etc. There were a lot of very happy and supportive families there that epitomize a traditional town fall gathering — even in suburban Fairfield County.

    By the way, our family supports Ambler Farm but we are not in any way on their board of directors. Ambler Farm is a significant asset to Wilton (and anyone who wants to visit). Other municipalities would be well served to use it as a model of public and private forces working together to preserve land, preserve a piece of local history and create an educational experience.

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