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Another Fire At LaJoie’s


by turfgrrl


August 26th, 2008 · 13 Comments

At a certain point, the number of fire incidents at LaJoie’s needs to be termed chronic. And if they are chronic, then something is awry with their operation. Last night, yet another fire flared at LaJoie’s. The Hour reports details on Sunday’s early morning fire:

Fire Marshal Glenn Iannaccone, of the Norwalk Fire Department, said the fire is believed to have started when hot metal from recently scrapped vehicles ignited “fluff.” That’s the non-metallic material in motor vehicles such as foam and upholstery. The pile of scrap metal was estimated to be about 20 feet high and about 100 feet in circumference.

Firefighter’s were hampered initially in fighting the fire because a fire hydrant on Meadow Street wasn’t working. Fire officials said Sunday both of the fire hydrants on Meadow Street weren’t working, but John Hiscock, general manager of South Norwalk Electric and Water Company said Monday that only one wasn’t working.

He said company workers worked on the hydrant Monday to discover why it wasn’t working. The company operates the water system for South Norwalk, West Norwalk and Rowayton, as well as for parts of Silvermine, East Norwalk and southwest Wilton. It has about 9,000 customers and hundreds of fire hydrants, although he said he didn’t know exactly how many the company has.

The damage could have occurred due to someone inappropriately tampering with it or due or could simply be a mechanical problem, he said.

“It’s a mechanical device; it’s got pins and couplings that tie the various components together,” said Hiscock.

Purposely damaging a fire hydrant is hard to accomplish, said Hiscock.

“They are not easy to vandalize. You need to know what you are doing.”

The company annually tests one third of its hydrants, and the hydrant, which didn’t work on Sunday, had been tested in 2006 and there were no problems found with it, he said.

“This hydrant was flowed in the spring of 2006 and it showed no damage at that time,” he said.

Do we live in Mayberry or what? How is it that the general manager of the company charged with maintaining fire hydrants doesn’t know the exact number of hydrants his company is responsible for the day after two fire hydrants were reported not working? You would think that Monday morning would have started with, get me the files on fire hydrant maintenance. But alas, SNEW, still seems to operate in the 19th century, and likely has records stored in huge ledger books with spidery hand writing.

Yet we learned that contrary to national fire safety recommendations, the last time these two fire hydrants were inspected was in the spring of 2006, over 2 years ago. And that only 1/3 of the hydrants, of an indeterminate number, get inspected annually. No answer on whether the Norwalk Fire Department pays SNEW for maintaining the hydrants.

source: The Hour, Sunday’s fire at scrapyard no threat to public health, By FRANK MacEACHERN, August 26, 2008

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13 Responses so far “Another Fire At LaJoie’s”



  • 1 barnstorm // Aug 26, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    I’m not a resident of South Norwalk but I work there. I know the LaJoie family has been a long-time employer, and the family has contributed much to auto racing. But enough is enough.LaJoie’s should have it’s own fire suppression system if they are to be allowed to continue operations. The taxpayers shouldn’t have to come clean up the messes LaJoie’s makes.The smoke and fumes coming from that place make it hard to breathe there sometimes. The residents must think they live in downtown Beijing.

    Forget that their trucks tie up or clog Meadow Street/136. Never mind the stench. Pay no attention to the toxic chemicals being dispersed in the air and ground.

    I’m kidding. Pay attention to all of that. Either Lajoie’s becomes a good neighbor and responsible business or they should be shut down.

    And no, I don’t work for LeBlancs either….

  • 2 Anonymous // Aug 26, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Isn’t there a fire station across the street from LaJoie’s? Aren’t they responsible for making sure the hydrants are working? What if the fire station had been on fire instead of LaJoie’s?

  • 3 Anonymous // Aug 26, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    a number of things have gone wrong in the last 3 fires in 4 days.A worker last week fell off a roof at lajoies and got hurt the incidents keep seeping out of the news blackout as we continue to ask questions.

    There was a simple answer to the last fire Norwalk probably spent thousands of dollars to put out.

    An illegal working as a fire watch for $19.99 for the night.You would think a smart wal mart shopper could of figured that out.

    One hydrant didn’t work the other couldn’t produce the 1,000 gallons per minute plus water needed to operate deck guns it was learned today.

    Today trucks line the sidewalks the day before school starts for meadow gardens kids tommorrow,they still have no respect for Norwalk laws,park on a sidewalk anywhere else in the city and its a $40 ticket.Its who you know it seems where are the enforcers?

    Havn’t those particular hydrants been used by the drain cleaning company Hal has hire to work in Norwalk from Brdgeport? They have a truck that requires water to use water jets to clean out the notorious drain at meadow and so main st.(may even be some pictures of that stored for a rainy day)

    Where is mcCarthy’s fire suppression report for the now dead transfer station,where is the plan for the one there that does contain tons of burnable material on a daily basis.By the way rubish stayed in the bays over the weekend,isn’t the permit for that include removing all debris on a daily basis because of fire and rats,,calm down Dick I’m not blaming you.

    There is more facts seeping out on the shortfalls of our city depts as each day passes its not likely it was broke by kids.

    anyone have any idea why Lajoies don’t have one for themselves it would only make sense to have one i know of no other junkyard that has not been made to install one,like sprinklers the permits for operation can be denied for simple requests from cities who like us have spent thousands of dollars fighting fires that could of been prevented.yes the first one is always a accident but two more,thats a stretch to say accidental maybe irresponsible maybe not.

  • 4 turfgrrl // Aug 27, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Anonymous 3: The fired department does not maintain any fire hydrant. That is the responsibility of the water department, in this case SNEW. The commissioners of the Second Taxing District who should be on top of this are:

    Chairperson Otha N. Brown, Jr.
    21 Shorefront Park
    Norwalk, CT. 06854
    obrown@snew.org

    Al Ayme
    28 martin Luther King Drive, Unit 28
    Norwalk, CT. 06854

    Mary O. Mann
    26A Lexington Avenue
    Norwalk, CT. 06854
    mmann@snew.org

    Sylvester Maultsby
    15 Lawrence Street
    Norwalk, CT. 06854
    smaultsby@snew.org

    Vice Chairperson Mary E. Burgess
    37 Brooklawn Avenue
    Norwalk, CT. 06854
    mburgess@snew.org

    Maria A. Borges-Lopez
    25 Monroe Street, Unit B1
    Norwalk, CT. 06854
    mlopez@snew.org

    Cesar A. Ramirez
    28 Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Dr, Unit 31
    Norwalk, CT. 06854
    Treasurer Sonya Merrill
    6 Burritt Avenue
    Norwalk, CT. 06854

  • 5 Anonymous // Aug 27, 2008 at 9:27 am

    600,000 gallons of water to put out the last fire and no toxic runoff into the adjacent salt marsh, according to fire dept. spokesman. I find that hard to believe. If LaJoie’s is in “a bowl” then by now it should be a swimming pool.

  • 6 anon // Aug 27, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    Which came first, the junkyard or the housing?

  • 7 Anonymous // Aug 27, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    The junkyard. Those projects were built in the late 1960s. But before the junkyard came, the area was known as the circus grounds, and that’s where the circuses would set up every year.

  • 8 Anonymous // Sep 4, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    The Hour was wrong in what fluff was,is and could be.This is not reporting the news its spoon fed delivery by the fire dept.

    2/10/2007 DEP warned the fire dept that not to notify the dep on fires were not going to be tolerated.This was the day the city was rocked by an explosian and for a half hour the fire dept chased the calls around south Norwalk trying to find a fire.When lajoies realized that couldn’t put the fire out themselves thay had to call the fire dept.in.

    Thats cooperation?

    No one wants the fluff? Lajoies doesn’t want to pay a a half a million dollars to dispose of the fluff ,no one wonders whats in it? What it produces when it burns? What does produce when burns toxic emissions?

    Then again the council was paralized to to do anything about the problem.Can’t find anywhere to dump the toxic pile of fluff? Stop making anymore untill there is a desitnation for what is here in Norwalk would of been a question for the fire dept.

    I guess The Hour left a lot out in the article like how much of a pile of toxic material sits on site and how much is made each day? How much does is cost per yard or ton to dispose of?

    Manchester does accept non toxic material for their landfill why not lajoies? Maybe its toxic?

    Seems Ct does not have what most states have is regulations on these type of yards its unregulated and with the brains we have running our city only the residents who live in the area have anything to worry about.

    Look at those who permit this operation and see where the Hour missed this fact.Actually The Hour Missed many facts,we can only trust none were left out of the article on purpose.

  • 9 Anonymous // Sep 4, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    #5 hydrants used for fighting the fire give on the average 1300 gallons per minute of water,fire trucks can sometimes pump 10,000 gallons per minute a 7 hour fire would only seem 600,000 gallons is a low figure.3 days of fires plus rain would tell you something,trouble is it didn’t register with our powers to be to ask the fire dept anything much.Who gets to ask these questions for the residents who live there?

  • 10 Anonymous // Sep 4, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    I’m still waiting for answers as to why the hydrants were not working. Considering the neighborhood they’re in, why hasn’t the subject of vandalism been addressed?

    I’ve heard rumor that the reason the hydrants don’t work is that they were “disabled” in order to keep locals from using them to spray water over the streets. Is this so? If so, why not just admit it? Or if it was a case of vandalism, why not admit that?

  • 11 Anonymous // Sep 4, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    In a public document given to the health and safety board ,the hydrant worked fine on August 14th of this year on another fire at lajoies.So in ten days something went wrong.

    Of course the same report details how they are inspected and tested at least every two years.One quick suggestion to see if its true is check the paint on the top where the nut is,the ones in my area look like they have never been tested since the paint was put on and it looks like it was painted years ago.The seal on the paint would be broken where the nut is on top.

    Lets see who reads the blog the bastards will be out tommorrow opening all of them,always a way to tell if your lied too.

    It wasn’t vandalism just old hydrants and policy simply not followed just written to show the city is full of red herrings.

    Maybe its time to have these meetings on tv so we all can see what we have for leadership and fact finding sessions that cover very little fact.

    When the council asked the Fire dept and emergency director if the 911 call back system could notify the council of emergencies in the city the fire chief said sometimes they his own department don’t even notify him.Everyone laughed but no one gave the council an answer,why was that?

    The Mayberry fire department is what some thought,others thought who does give the word to use the 911 call back system,so far the mayor has used it to provide his usual bullshit messages.We had enough toxic smoke to notify but it is South Norwalk so who really cares?

    So what did happen those three nights last month?

    It was odd how during those last two fires all of Lajoies trucks were parked in an open lot where the old college was on wilson ave where kids could of broken the windows or stole the fuel you think they would of parked them behind locked fences like they usaully do,but not that weekend.

  • 12 Anonymous // Oct 15, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Posted Oct. 14, 2008
    2:10 PM

    Hartford (AP) — Police chiefs across Connecticut are being urged to use a new state law to crack down on unscrupulous scrap metal dealers.

    this was fron WTNH

  • 13 Anonymous // Dec 12, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Lajoies slowly closing its doors?

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