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Veep Thoughts


by turfgrrl


August 24th, 2008 · 23 Comments

Today’s local papers do the pro forma article on what local Dems think of Obama’s VP choice of Joe Biden. I like Biden, I had him ranked in my top three Democratic picks in fantasy presidential football. Biden has a real track record on foreign policy that fits within the pragmatist framework that doesn’t rely on hope. Here’s Biden in early 2007:

Joe Biden said about Cheney; “every single person out there that is of any consequence knows the vice president doesn’t know what he’s talking about.”

Biden went on to say:

I can’t be more blunt than that. He has yet to be right one single time on Iraq. Name me one single time he’s been correct.

It’s about time we stopped listening to that ideological rhetoric and that “bin Laden” and the rest. Bin Laden isn’t the issue here. Bin Laden will become the issue. The issue is there’s a civil war, Chris. I said way back in November last year, speaking to the Council on Foreign Relations, I said, “Does anyone support using American troops to fight a civil war? I don’t, and I don’t think the American people do. But if we fail to force a political consensus, that’s exactly what we will have.”

That’s what we have. That’s what the president has to deal with. And he’s doing it the exact wrong way. And he’s not listening to his military. He’s not listening to his old secretaries of state. He’s not listening to his old friends. He’s not listening to anybody but Cheney, and Cheney is dead-wrong.” source: Fox News Transcript

However, from a campaign strategy standpoint, I don’t think Biden will add anything to the electoral math that Obama would need to win the presidency. Which means that McCain could carpe diem his way to a really bold statement that would rock the political world.

McCain could pick Hillary as his VP.

Oh it could be so problematic for the base Republicans. They have so much invested in anti-Clintonism that that entire think tanks would melt like the Wicked with of the West in the Wizard of Oz. But you can be sure that they won’t be voting for Obama anytime soon, so the risk there is minimal.

The bigger pie of voters are the people of the purple nation. That is if you believe in purple. The GOP and Democratic Party want you to believe that we are all shades of red and blue. Either or. Black or white. Purple is just another way of saying most of the country is many shades of gray. Purple people are the kinda, sorta, maybe people. Bipartisanship is merely a concept. Nonpartisanship is where purple wants to be.

Hillary as McCain’s VP pick would set political punditry on its head. A Republican old guy and Democratic woman on the same ticket would create real change in Washington. Suddenly neocentrism would be in vogue. McCain would reemerge as the maverick of 2000. The political party hacks on both sides would be seething. But Americans would be cheering.

But would McCain do it?

His campaign surely must be thinking about it. The LaTimes provides evidence:

Well, it didn’t take long for the campaign of Sen. John McCain to bring his good friend Hillary Clinton into the confrontational mix.

Both senators are on the Armed Services Committee and, as The Ticket wrote back in June, McCain was among the first to befriend Clinton when she first arrived in that nearly all-male body in 2001.

Neither attacked the other during the harsh winter primary season.

And, in fact, as The Ticket noted back in June when Clinton dropped out of the Democratic race, McCain’s website posted an immediate tribute to her tenacity and commitment, familiarly titled “Hillary Out.”

It took Sen. Barack Obama’s website two days to post the same kind of acknowledgement.

Moments ago, on the eve of the Democratic National Convention in Denver, the Republican’s campaign released a new commercial. Like the one put out 21 hours ago featuring Joe Biden, the Democrats’ new vice presidential pick, this one also uses the words of Democrats to attack members of their own party.

In that first GOP ad after Biden was picked (See two videos down below), he was shown talking about his new running mate’s inexperience, a claim the Democrats now attribute to merely primary politics, and about his regard for McCain.

This new Sunday ad is titled “Passed Over.” Aimed clearly at the 18 million disappointed Democrats who voted for her during the long primary season, the ad asks why she was passed over for the No. 2 spot?

It shows Clinton and says:

“She won millions of votes.

“But isn’t on his ticket.

“Why?

“For speaking the truth.

“On his plans:

HILLARY CLINTON: “You never hear the specifics.”

ANNCR: “On the Rezko scandal:

HILLARY CLINTON: “We still don’t have a lot of answers about Senator Obama.”

ANNCR: “On his attacks:

HILLARY CLINTON: “Senator Obama’s campaign has become increasingly negative.”

ANNCR: “The truth hurt.

“And Obama didn’t like it.

The electoral math is all about voter blocs and how things play out in states that are very much on the purple agenda. Swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania where the voters are salt of the earth kinda, sorta, maybe people. Most pundits are stating that McCain will pick Mitt Romney as his VP. In that event the VP spot for both candidates fades into obscurity.

Tags: Presidential 2008

23 Responses so far “Veep Thoughts”



  • 1 Old Timer // Aug 24, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Never happen, although it sounds interesting. Too many Republicans would turn against McCain and the national committee would desert him. They don’t just disagree with Clinton, they hate everything she stands for.
    If I was a betting man, I would bet on Lieberman. I don’t see him adding much to the ticket. I see the Republican party being unhappy with the choice and a lot of national committee support melting away.
    In real life, a VP is chosen with the full support of the party. Nobody runs a successful campaign without major party support. Obama knows that, McCain may think he is the exceptionto the rule.

  • 2 turfgrrl // Aug 24, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Old Timer: I’m not so sure that the national committee would desert McCain. There would be problem voter blocs who wouldn’t be happy. Yet, those are the same voter blocs that would never vote for Obama. The question is whether the pick up of other voters who are leaning McCain to definitely McCain tips the turnout enough to be viewed as a sure thing. I think its close enough.

    I’ll totally concede that presidential campaigns aren’t noted for bold moves. It would take a massive bold move to do this.

  • 3 Old Timer // Aug 24, 2008 at 10:21 am

    I agree, any choice involves calculations of how many votes do we gain and how many do we lose. Choosing Hillary would cause heads to explode at RNC and eliminate any reasonable political calculation,in my opinion.
    People like Carl Rove and Rush Limbaugh would go nuts and work against a McCain/Clinton ticket, confident that votes taken from McCain would not go to Obama.

  • 4 turfgrrl // Aug 24, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Old Timer: Except that Rove likes winning elections, and according to his consulting firm:

    http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/07/25/rove/

    This newest map, which is put together based on averages of state-by-state polling, differs sharply from other maps that the firm produced in May. Those had shown Hillary Clinton beating McCain but Obama trailing. Now, Rove’s firm sees Obama winning 22 states, plus the District of Columbia, for a total of 272 Electoral College votes — two more than the 270 needed for victory. McCain has 21 states and 183 Electoral College votes in his column, and seven states, which combine for a total of 83 Electoral College votes, are considered tossups.

  • 5 Aunt Bertha // Aug 24, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Thank you for all your postings on the election. I enjoy reading them and gaining view points from both sides. It is nice to see that people do still care enough to talk about it and think about making the right choice.

  • 6 Nonymous // Aug 24, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Never mind would McCain do it - would Hillary do it? She’s an extremely polarizing person and I think that would all but guarantee an Obama victory (which would make me personally happy, especially now that he’s got himself a VERY experienced running mate and is intelligent enough to go to him for advice and then take it). But back to Lady McBeth - she’s a lifelong, partisan democrat and I just don’t see her being willing to do that.

  • 7 hilaryhatersanonymous // Aug 24, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    maybe hillery should pitch for the yankeys - since some people beleive shes qualified to do a mans job

  • 8 Anonymous // Aug 24, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    To the Republican base, McCain choosing Hillary as VP would be like a Muslim choosing a pig for a pet. There would be a jihad in the Republican party in the form of a mass boycott on election day. Republicans would rather have Biden as president in the event of Obama’s assassination than have Hillary as president in the event that McCain drops dead. The latter is more likely.

  • 9 barnstorm // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Of course McCain is going to rip Obama’s choice of Joe Biden. I’m sure if Obama had picked Hillary, the ol’ duffer would have had a spot ready to criticize that choice as well.McCain is really starting to look like a grumpy old fart; the kind of guy who chases the kids when their ball accidently lands in his yard.

    Will Obama rip McCain if he doesn’t pick Hillary either? Maybe he should, but I think Barack has too much class for that.

  • 10 Chris MC // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    No chance of that happening of course. But here’s a dream sequence for ya - Hillary and Bill speaking at the Democratic convention, then appearing with Joe Lieberman and McCain in Minnesota to accept the Republican spot.

  • 11 Anonymous // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Biden plagiarized his way to an “F” in law school.

  • 12 Hasheesh // Aug 24, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Wouldn’t Al Franken be as effective a bomb to McCain’s campaign as Hilary?

  • 13 Old Timer // Aug 24, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Al Franken is making a run for Senator from Minnesota as a Democrat, and doing pretty well on the campaign trail, according to the reporters. He is a bright guy, but who will take him serious ? http://www.alfranken.com

  • 14 OSAMA SAYS PLEASE DO IT // Aug 25, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    What a team
    AL FRANKEN PRESIDENT
    MICHEAL MOORE VP

    GEORGE CLOONY SEC OF DEFENSE
    MADONNA SEC OF THE TREASURY
    ROSY O’DONNELL AS WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN
    BARBARA STREISAND AS SEC OF HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT
    THE DIXIE CHICKS AS AMBASSADORS TO IRAN.

    Within 60 days we would all be speaking Russian or Arabic. The new flag would be a white sheet.

    OH! WAIT the dems have a team like that. Obama and Biden head it up.

  • 15 Anonymous // Aug 25, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    The problem with Hillary on *anybody’s* ticket is that when you accept Hillary, you are forced to accept Bill too. And I didn’t vote for him the first two times, I’m not going to vote for him now.

    Actually, I’m not voting for either McCain nor Obama either. Neither one of them is qualified as far as I’m concerned.

  • 16 Old Timer // Aug 26, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    A lot of very brave young men and women made enormous sacrifices to ensure that you could vote and you are going to toss your vote away as if it meant nothing because you are not happy with either candidate ?
    You need to decide which of them is the better choice, not perfect, just better, and vote. Anything less is telling those brave young men and women they were wasting their time.

  • 17 Anonymous // Aug 26, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Spoken like someone who is ignorant of what that sacrifice truly means.

    In refusing to accept “the best of the worst”, not only am I honoring those “brave young men and women who made enormous sacrifices to ensure that I could vote” by making sure I’m not WASTING my vote on two worthless candidates.

    And I am sending a message to the political parties by maintaining the moral high ground and letting them know of my dissatisfaction with being continually offered bad choices to pick from. If more Americans had the guts to do the same thing and REFUSE to vote for bad candidates, pretty soon the political parties would be forced to reevaluate those other “men and women” they put up for nomination to political office, and we citizens would be offered more upstanding, righteous, and worthy candidates to vote for.

    Are YOU willing to stand up for YOUR convictions and refuse to vote for garbage??? Or are you going to believe the hype of the “sacrifice, yada yada yada” and be like the rest of the LEMMINGS and go meekly off to the voting booth even though you don’t like either candidate?

    Hmphf. Bet you’re going right along with the rest of the sheep.

    It is also my right as an American citizen NOT to waste my vote, which is exactly what I would be doing if I voted for either McCain or Obama. Both of them are bad choices for obvious reasons. And I refuse to allow the sacrifices of those “brave young men and women” to be made meaningless by voting for people who do not care about that same sacrifice.

    Sorry, pal. Your rhetoric doesn’t work with me.

  • 18 Anonymous // Aug 26, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Brave young men sacrificing their lives for freedom? Are you still drinking the neo-con Koolaid? Please.

  • 19 LIBBY = FAILURE // Aug 27, 2008 at 9:02 am

    #13 I bet you are also for late term abortions. Just a guess.

    noe-con Hummmmmmmm.

  • 20 I bet that #18 // Aug 27, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Even watches O’Rielly on Fox news but hates him, but you know it is the only place that you can get the truth of both sides. Kind of like a moth being drawn to a flame. I hope that you do not get all your info from the New York Times, or MS NBC. If so you are missing 75% of the real reporting.

    Koolaid? Hummmmmmmm.

  • 21 Loofa Man // Aug 27, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Yeah, but only when he’s gettin frisky with his co-workers.

  • 22 Old Timer // Aug 27, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Oh yeah, not voting sends a message alright. Probably not the message you intend, but a message. Enough of us decide to not vote and a very small number decides. By not voting you are giving up your voice in government. That will bring us very quickly back to the days where major decisions are made in little backrooms somewhere. You want better candidates, you need to work at it, not sit on your hands and complain.

  • 23 Anonymous // Aug 27, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Old Timer, you are just another lemming.

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