Ruh-roh, 21 Percent of Hillary Supporters Like McCain

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August 22nd, 2008 · 71 Comments

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• 1 Chris MC // Aug 22, 2008 at 2:20 pm

  Yeah the Supreme Court trumps everything, even the distasteful prospect of having this guy a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

• 2 Aunt Bertha // Aug 22, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  After reading a lot about both candidates, I am leaning to the McCain vote more than the Obama. I do not like the union news letter urging us to vote one way or another. I am smart enough to vote for some one who might have or close to the same moral (if any politician is moral) beliefs I have. I don’t know if I can vote for a man who has 8 half brothers and does not help any of them. (ABC news).I like the fact that McCain has had a long life dedicated to the service of ALL Americans. If he picks Romney as his running mate he has my vote hands down.

• 3 justME // Aug 22, 2008 at 3:27 pm

  My question is: if something happens to the elected official, do we know anything about who might be running as a second.

  God forbid that anything happen to anyone but with McCain’s age 72 and Obama’s African Heritage there are a lot of peopple out there who don’t like people of color other than their own, and might try to do something about it. And just because McCain is ok now, he has had cancer once, what makes anyone sure he might not have it again?

  People need to look at all the options before saying that they are for one person or the other.

  McCain has no idea how many houses he has, is that someone you want as president?

• 4 Anonymous // Aug 22, 2008 at 3:30 pm

  Let’s see… if we elect another Rethuglican, the Supreme Court will be outlawing abortion and the prospect of legal gay marriage will be as likely as the ERA Amendment rising from the dead. What else? Anyone up for eminent domain? More unfettered rights for gun owners? Let’s bring back sundown laws while we’re at it.

  And on the other hand, if we elect Obama? Perhaps a bit of balance (and maybe, just maybe, a shred of dignity) can be brought back to what once was the last supposed refuge in the land for those seeking justice. Justice now is a brand name for the neo-cons, not a principle.

• 5 Anonymous // Aug 22, 2008 at 3:38 pm

  Well, I’m sick and tired of being given the choice between a lousy candidate and an even lousier one, so I’m not voting for president at all this go-round. I will, however, continue to vote for the rest of the ticket, but I see no reason why I should be forced to choose between “bad” and “worse”.

  What we need in this country are more people who agree with me and who aren’t afraid to exercise their moral high ground and tell both political parties in this country “NO MORE BAD CANDIDATES” by refusing to vote for ANY of them.

  Send THAT message to Washington and see what they do with it.

  At least I’ll know that come next summer when everyone is complaining about who’s sitting in the White House, I can say with certainty that “You reap what you sow”. And none of it will be MY fault.

• 6 Anonymous // Aug 22, 2008 at 4:31 pm

  Seems to me that if people choose not to vote then the choice of candidates won’t improve. Voter apathy will teach anyone who is power hungry that nobody really cares. So when YOU are complaining that your vote doesn’t count, you only have yourself to blame.

• 7 Aunt Bertha // Aug 22, 2008 at 4:54 pm

  #3 McCain has 7 houses some of them owned by his wife so it became a question of how was he to answer the question. He does have an elderly aunt living in one of them. It is more than the other guy does for his family.

  #4 the Supreme Court has been a unknown since Thomas and Roberts have been appointed. Each Justice uses their back ground of the law to decide how to rule on an issue. Not all Justices have ruled in favor of the president who appointed them. So to use the term Rethuglican is not very kind. And I know many republicans who have fought for our country in Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf who would find that term insulting.

  #5 it is what it is, we must read and listen carefully to the candidates and make an informed decision. I often thought just don’t vote like #6 let it be someone else’s responsibility. But I had an AWESOME teachers Mrs. Fountaine, my mom,and grandfather and I learned from them, that it is my duty as an American to know about my government and to be a part of choosing it. I did not vote for Clinton but I respected the office of president. I was doing the right thing.

  #6 Put some time into it and make a choice. This is as much your country as it is mine. You should have the pride in your part to pull the lever or bubble in the space, what ever they do now, to let your spirit belong to the process of our Democracy.

• 8 New Sono resident // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:14 pm

  I still can’t understand how a HIllary supporter wouldn’t support Obama, their differences in policies are negligible while those w/McCain are enormous, moreover, 4 more years of Republicans is likely to further entrench the bureaucracy established during the Bush years and the likelihood of any sun shining on any of the improprieties conducted during those years is zero. It’s hard for me to believe that Hillary supporters voting for McCain has nothing to do w/race or ethnicity (Obama’s last name). Sadly, I expect Obama to lose and precisely because so many people couch their lack of support for Obama as tied to being disgruntled that Hillary lost. The Bradley/Dinkins effect is enormous, and when added to that the Hussein factor- it’ll be tough to overcome. McCain’s not a bad guy but he’s quite conservative- one of the highest conservative ratings of any Republican and though he has shown signs of independence, his policy commitments are still by and large 100% conservative.

• 9 Obama-nation // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:20 pm

  Aunt Bertha, I love you, you are a gem of a person. I would normally would of replied in a nasty way to those who posted disrespectfuly of John McCain. I don’t buy a word of Obama’s cheap rhetoric. Did you hear him quote Matthew’s verse on the debate the other day…”what you do unto my brother, you do unto me.” Yet, he Doesn’t he see his own brother living in Africa on a Dollar a month in a run down shack? Yes, yes Obamaites, these are WORDS, JUST WORDS.
  Funny how they point at McCain for not knowing how many homes he technically owns. His wife is a beer heiress who owns many properties. Yet these Obamaites don’t question Obama’s ties to Tony Rezko. Yes, yes Obamites, we are watching Obama stump that Corsi’s book is all lies, lies he tells us, but he offers no proof they are except to tell us he actually married in ‘95, not ‘92 as was stated in the book. That’s it?? Why doesn’t Obama dispute the Rezko connections? Here’s some facts: Tony Rezko had as many as 30 buildings he bought from the government to renovate for low income housing (11 of them were in Obama’s district) He got Tens of Millions from the Government (our tax payers dollars) to do this wonderful work,,,but, alas, they all went belly up. Millions of OUR dollars gone. All that remained were delapidated apartments for the lowest income people. While Rezko was giving Obama Campaign contributions, afterall, he was one of his BIGGEST contributors, people were suffering in apartmants with no heat. Do you know how cold it gets in the windy city during winter? Then Rezko helps Obama buy a house across the street from him. This house had a lot along side of it and the owner wanted them sold together. So Tony Rezko’s wife bought the lot at a higher price than it was valued at so Obama could buy his at a reduced price. Oh, by the way, Tony Rezko is now a convicted Felon awaiting sentencing next month. Yes, yes Obamaites, it is good to have friends in low places. Before you disiples of Obama critiize John McCain, you should take a long look in the mirror for a dose of reality. Next we can discuss his relationship with Bill Ayers, or Reverand Wright…or Reverand Farakan and so on and so on.

• 10 Anonymous #5 // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:28 pm

  #8, and you don’t think Hillary was garnering votes based on the fact that she is female? You must live in a dream world of the first degree, because nobody but NOBODY would vote for her otherwise, Socialist that she is.

  And if it isn’t the woman’s vote that was supporting her, it was the “we want Bill back in the White House and this is the only way we can get him” vote.

• 11 Obama-nation // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:35 pm

  #8 Give it a break already. The only one’s using “the race card” is Obama and his fans. Here’s how democrat’s really feel about McCain (pay attention to Hillary’s comments):

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSpcxkKlEFA

  You remember that stump speech Obama gave that ended with “did I mention he’s black?” What a joke HE IS THE ONE playing race, not the republicans. When I see him, I don’t see Black, I see GREEN. Green as in inexperienced. But don’t take my word for it, listen to Obama himself:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6syUD1I4U

  OBAMA, THY NAME IS FLIP FLOP!

• 12 NoName // Aug 22, 2008 at 6:45 pm

  #10 - nice post

  #8 - Why won’t most Hilary supporters back Obama?

  They were angry before, they are angry now, they will be angry after November. People who can’t separate emotional choices from logical ones will continue to make bad choices. This applies to anyone, but I’m suggesting it runs rampant in the 27% of Hilary supporters stating they’d vote for a Republican president. It’s like rooting for a hockey team because the Yankees didn’t make the playoffs, or OJ’s defense.

• 13 Aunt Bertha // Aug 22, 2008 at 7:43 pm

  Thank you #9. You did a very nice job posting information that may make a difference in how someone may vote. That is what I am talking about, be informed by many different sources and then make your decision. As for Hillary, I feel sorry for her that she just didn’t get it, I would have liked Biden before the two of them anyway. But I still think I will be voting for McCain. He maybe old but so was Regan. (and he took a bullet)

• 14 New Sono resident // Aug 23, 2008 at 7:18 am

  I think #9 confuses the issue raised in the initial post, the question was why are so many Hillary supporters favoring McCain. I don’t think its because of Obama’s relationship w/Tony Rezko, in fact I doubt many people know much about Rezko and Obama’s relationship. But that’s besides the point. If Hillary supporters are favoring McCain it’s not because McCain stands on the issues are the same as hers-because they’re not. Moreover, Obama can’t win running as the “Black” candidate, it might have helped him in the primary (marginally) but in the general election there are far more people alienated by a black person than black people who will come out to vote for him on that basis. Study after study has shown that there is a sizeable segment of the American electorate that is at least reluctant to vote for a black candidate. That’s why black candidates poll much better than what they tend to show in the actual election. Do you really think that Rezko is the reason for Hillary supporters not wanting to vote for Obama??? Lastly, wasn’t McCain embroiled with Charles Keating and you can’t count on your fingers and toes all the questionable relationships of the Clinton’s. If you don’t want to vote for Obama Rezko might be a convenient excuse, but for those who are Democrats and/or support Democratic policies the only reason not to vote for Obama is because something about him makes you uncomfortable.

• 15 Aunt Bertha // Aug 23, 2008 at 8:07 am

  I don’t think that Obama’s race is the issue. I think his lack of experience is what is turning people to McCain. I would have voted for Collin Powell had he run. (for the experience he would have brought to the office)

• 16 Anonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 8:34 am

  What turns me off about Obama is his Socialist tendencies, and if you read the book “Obama Nation” you discover that he’s been thoroughly indoctrinated in Marxist theory and Saul Alinsky’s ideology; his mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, a Communist Party USA member; a favorite author as a youth was Frantz Fanon (an Algerian socialist radical); and he considers people such as William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn of the Weather Underground to be personal friends.

• 17 anonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 8:45 am

  Let’s see, Aunt Bertha…you would have backed Biden(Obama’s running mate), you are sad that Hillary “didn’t get it”, and would have voted for Colin Powell,who I understand is speaking at the Democratic convention. Add to this that you are an educator in the public schools, and I find it hard to fathom why you can’t be backing Obama. The “lack of experience” thing is like the new coat of paint that covers a lot of imperfections. Most folks that use that line about Obama have another hidden agenda. He has the intelligence and energy that we need to get this country going again. Don’t be lulled to sleep by the swift boating FOX newsers(re:Obama-nation). They will do everything and anything to give you four to eight more years of the likes of Bush, Cheney and Rove! Obama is a chance to break free of that crap and corruption. Hillary is out of the election process now–but at least back the candidate that holds true to most of her Democratic principles. That candidate is Barack Obama!

• 18 Anonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 9:04 am

  I’d take another decade of Bush over 10 minutes with Obama.

  I’d take another decade of Bush over 5 seconds of Hillary.

  I’d take another decade of Bush over a breath of McCain.

  You think things are bad now?? Just wait until one of these three jokers gets into the White House.

  You won’t know how good you’ve really got it until then.

• 19 Aunt Bertha // Aug 23, 2008 at 9:22 am

  I guess I have a really hard time swinging all the way left when it comes to voting. #18 I agree.

• 20 Nonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 9:23 am

  If Obama has ADULT half siblings, why is he under any obligation to support them?

• 21 Old Timer // Aug 23, 2008 at 9:36 am

  Aunt Bertha, Obama has half brothers, but not eight. One is a physicist in China. One runs his own security company in Texas. One runs an auto parts business in Kenya. One runs an electronics business in Kenya. One lives in Kenya and is reported to have very little.
  Is supporting family a criteria for getting your vote ? How much does McCain support his family ? How much rent does McCain’s aunt pay ?
  Are you better off now, after almost eight years of George Bush ? Can we survive four more years of the same leadership ?

• 22 Aunt Bertha // Aug 23, 2008 at 10:19 am

  If you can’t support your family than how can you show compassion to your nation? I have done okay with the tax breaks. I have invested. I do not need my government telling me that I have to follow their investment plan. I think that the capital gains tax needs to be gone completely and that the inheritance tax should not be. Two taxes that Obama wants to increase. If this happens wait to see the people who will be unable to move, foreclosures, and homeless. I would like to take home more than two thirds of my paycheck which will be history if Obama gets in, it will be a 60/40 split and the worker will get the 40. Don’t kid yourself or fall for vote your party line tactics. I am still reading and thinking about my choice, you should be too. I want to make an educated decision when I cast my vote in November. I hope that you understand I do not see McCain as another 4 years of Bush. I am looking at the individual not the party.

• 23 anonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 11:18 am

  Thanks so much for your fair and balanced insight,#18–you can now come out from the curtain, Mr. O’Reilly! And by the way, “what we’ve really got” is a real mess—Have you been conscious at all during the last 7+ years??? You neo-cons are a spirited bunch, I’ll give you that, but you had your chance, and look what you are handing over to the next administration. Our kids and grandkids will never stop paying for the shenanigans of the Bush gang–and that’s just what they are– a gang of monied, self- centered, corporate-loving war mongers that could care less about the average American–If you want more of that, vote for McCain—and if he chooses to run with Romney, that will provide the exclamation point. The first months of an Obama adminisrtation will be nothing but trying to clean up the stench of the Bushies–he will be hard-tested because a lot of the lingering problems will be blamed on him. Why?—That’s the way the right will spin it–but like JFK, Obama will surround himself with bright, competent people, and he will weather the storm. A McCain administration, on the other hand, will do nothing but try to mask the stench with air-fresheners, and his undoing will be the folks around him forgetting to change them!

• 24 Obama-nation // Aug 23, 2008 at 1:47 pm

  #23 has the same tired leftist rants we’ver heard over & over.
  #1 According to the latest UNBIASED third party poll, FOX News has a viewership of 39% Repub, 38% Dem and the rest Independant as oppposed to the other cables sations like MSLSD or CNIDIOT, which have inproportionate divides of parties, heavily leaning left.

  #2 McCain is running for President - NOT Bush. Nice try to try to paint it as such, but No dice.

  #3 Guess who has the lowest approval rating from the public? Bush you say? BUZZZ! Wrong again. It’s the Harry Reid / Nancy Pelosi congress steady at about 18%. All we heard was how the dems who are now in control of the congess & senate were going to do great things. What a bunch of Bunk! This congress was rated as the most ineffective congess. Instead of staying in session to figure out an energy plan, Pelosi shut of the lights and mic’s on congress and went on her book tour. Nice Nancy, nice. Way to go Dem’s!

  #4 Poster #16 is correct and Aunt Bertha knows the facts. Obama is nothing more that a closet socialist. As the FACTS, understand #23,the word is FACTs, shows Obama is just that - a socialist.

  #5 Bush has kept this country safe from attacks since 9/11 A simple “thank you” would be in order. Instead we get lies upon lies and spin and more spin from these leftist Dem’s. We hear stupid tiresome lies like “Bush lied, people died”, Bush lied about the WMD’s” What a bunch of BULL! Here #23 dispute this:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc

  So I guess all these Dems are LIAR’s Too, HUH?
  Newsflash #23 - The Surge has worked, although Obama can’t admit the truth, can he? Just look at him sqwirm whenever he is asked.

  Saul Alinsky, who is the author of “Rules for Radicals”, is a mentor of Obama. One of the rules he preaches is to repeat lies enough so that they are taken for truth. With that said. Obama has stump speeched everywhere that Dr. Corsi’s book is a pack of lies, lie & more lies, yet I don’t see him disputing the arguments made about him in ANY DETAIL. We get Big Broad Brushstoke type answers form him and that’s it - no detail or explanation. Just like his ridiculous “Change -Hope yada yada yada. What change? I take it as Aunt Bertha cited - The ONLY CHANGE there will be is what’s left in my pockets after Obama raids my wallet with all those entitlement and socialist programs he’s advocating. Who’s going to pay for it HUH? Who? Oh that right, we”ll cut dowm our military and get out of Iraq right? Yeah let’s reduce our military whenm we have the like of Iran with nukes and Russia trying to be it’ ol’ Soviet past. Good answer OBAMA-dimwit! Is that why you choosing Joe Biden, because when it comes down to foriegn policy you know crapola? Did you see my post in #11? Take another gander #23. look at the youtubes I posted. Even Biden and hillary have nothing but praise for McCain (as weel as a slew of other top dems). Even Obama himself say’s in the second youtube I posted that he does NOT have the experience to be president.

  Inconclusion, the american public in these times of turmoil oveseas with Russia and Iran, will know in their hearts someone who is so green with inexperience as Obama is NOT the man to lead this country for the next 4 years.

• 25 Anonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 2:43 pm

  WOW. I GUESS BECAUSE YOU HIT THE CAPS KEY THAT GIVES YOU EXTRA CREDIBILITY.

  For everyone trying to deal with anything remotely resembling facts, our friend #24 (whom I suspect is F***ed Up or Concerned Idiot, back spewing hatred and vitriol) isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit as far as having a dialogue with.

  Remember: Don’t jumpt into the trough with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it.

• 26 anonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:25 pm

  Thanks for the righty rant, Obama-nation. You DO know that there is medication out there for what afflicts you. And #25, much obliged for the pig analogy–only thing is, pigs are basically happy animals. Got to think that our friend Obama-nation is more like a wolverine on steroids. He would have fit right in with the Bushies—too bad they only have 150 days left, but then again, Johnny Mac may need a few more policy people. I think one of the main requirements is being fluent in You-Tube! Leftists rants, Rules for Radicals, closet socialist….look out, Obama-nation, we are coming to get you. We might even have Hugo Chavez, Angela Davis, Patty Hearst, and whatever is left of the Chicago 7 to help us! Get some help, my man.

• 27 Obama-nation // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:26 pm

  I have to write large for ignorant people like you, so that maybe, just maybe, you’ll actually read something truthful and stop repeating lies. Humm, just like your pall Obama #25, Name call and try to discredit others but DON”T answer the questions. Right?

  So you want dialogue? Then answer the questions I have to ask over & over. That’s right, your one of those dumb dem robots who shouts “Bush lied” How come you don’t respond to those dem’s “lying about WMD’s” on that youtube. Ohh, that’s right, you can’t because it’s the truth. Instead, we get trash talk from you. This is why I have to write in caps, because you can’t respond - ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

  You call anyone else a pig, is amusing. I can think of plenty of names for you too, but I won’t go down to your level. When ever you can tell us who the real liars are when it come to WMD’s , I’ll be waiting for a real answer.
  When you’re ready to respond to why Reid/Pelosi has an 18% approval rating, I’ll be waiting for a real answer.
  WHen You can explain how Obama bought his house BELOW(cap’s again, because you fail to understand this) market value, while Rezko buy’s the lot next door at a higher price than it’s worth (by the way, they closed on the lot & house the same day..Opps, coincidence?) Explain that to me. I’ll be waitng for a real answer.
  When you can explain how Obama, the agent of CHANGE, the man who want’s to get away from the old way Washington works, which he accuse’s McCain of being part, Picks for his VP, Joe Biden, an old Washington face like McCain. This is his CHANGE (ha ha)?? why did he pick McCain? Maybe because He has Forign Policy experience while Obama has NOTHING!! (damm, caps again! Did it sink in ?) Explain that to me. I’ll be waitng for a real answer.
  Didn’t Obama say he didn’t have the experience to be a president? Hint:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6syUD1I4U
  Explain that to me. I’ll be waitng for a real answer.
  Didn’t the top people of your party like McCain also? Hint:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSpcxkKlEFA
  Explain that to me. I’ll be waitng for a real answer.

  Here’s some more truth Anonymous #25 - you WON’T answer these questions ( Darn - more Caps!) because you can’t. You are a whining child who knows only how to respomd with childish responses that isn’t even worth the bucket or the spit. Have a nice time in the mud trough playing with yourself. Maybe when you grow some, you can answer the questions put to you instead of throwing a tantrum. Grow up.

• 28 Anonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:47 pm

  Getting ready for the inevitable day of truth, hmm? Well, I guess every dog has his day. Let’s hope that it’s far, far longer than eight miserable, wasted years before you have your day again when you can crawl back out from under the neo-con rock.

  You’re wasting that stinking, fetid, blowhard breath of yours trying to convince anyone of your sanity on this blog. Try preaching to your own choir because nobody is listening here.

• 29 Aunt Bertha // Aug 23, 2008 at 3:54 pm

  I am listening. And I think that there were valid questions asked. Can you answer them in an intelligent way that would convince people to vote for Obama? Please back it up with facts as Obama-nation did with his youtube postings they were interesting. Sincerely, thank you.

• 30 dave d // Aug 23, 2008 at 4:24 pm

  A few things Obamanation,

  88% of FOX News viewers plan on voting for McCain. Sounds pretty fair and balanced to me:
  http://higherground.frontgatetickets.com/choose.php?lid=23542

  Your rants on Tony Rezko have about as much value as the lefties harping on McCain leaving his sick wife for an heiress after he got home from the war. It shows there is no substantive things to go after him on. Pelosi isn’t running and Obama didn’t wall for cheney’s made up WMD stories.

  I don’t want a president in 2008 who doesn’t know how many houses he has, doesn’t know how to use a computer and thinks $5 million dollars is the cutoff for “rich”. He is out of touch, past his prime and not capable of running a country at this point in his life.

  And as far as Obama saying he didn’t want to run for president..how about McCain himself saying he is too old:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt3Vk4AJwN4

• 31 anonymous // Aug 23, 2008 at 4:54 pm

  Obama-nation has asked and ANSWERED the questions in his own unique way–he has ALL the answers, Aunt Bertha, because he has all those crazy swift-boat questions–It does no good trying to answer a person who cannot understand the other side–sort of like a good lawyer who will not ask a question of which he does not know the answer. Take enough things out of context, and you can build an argument for anything. I for one will not get into a pissing contest with him. The “facts” he presents are dubious, which is in keeping with the political philosophy he so vehemently espouses. Vote your conscience–do your homework, and decide for youself. Read the current book out about Obama, but then I hope you also read The Audacity of Hope–one is pure character assassination, the other pure Character. It’s characters like Obama-nation who enjoy spinning tales to convert the seemingly unwary into their web of deceit. Don’t fall for it.

• 32 Obama-nation // Aug 23, 2008 at 5:49 pm

  Spining tales huh? Is that what you call it when I show a video of Obama and you still refute it? It’s plain to see who has the wool over their eyes. Now he doesn’t want to get into a pissing match!! HA HA.. the truth is he can’t answer with anything he’d like to dream is truthful when the video shows the real truth. Isn’t it amazing Aunt Bertha how the left reacts when asked to answer to the truth…to them instead of answering , they make up stuff like 88%
  of FOX watchers are going to vote for McCain…Really?? Nice place you get your facts from. What the hell kind of site is this? a ticket Site?? What next, “information from the Huffington Post or the New York Slimes?? Yup no biases there. Fact is as I wrote. Guess I shouldn’t have to worry about McCain winning, if what you say is true, because you can add all the viewership of all those other cable News stations and it would equall half of Fox. And THAT’s a fact. I am not trying to change your mind #29 or Dave D, but if you’re going to come on this blog and LIE then I am going to point it out.
  As far as Tony Rezko, Obama’s biggest contributor, these aren’t rants Blank for Brains, they are the truth. Let’s put that in caps for you since it has a hard time penetrating that thick skull of your… TONY REZKO IS OBAMA”S CONTRIBUTOR, HIS BUDDY, HIS PAL. AND NOW HE IS A FELON WHO STOLE MILLIONS FROM TAXPAYERS, GAVE THAT MONEY TO HELP OBAMA, While PEOPLE IN HIS BUILDING HAD NO HEAT, HELPED OBAMA BUY HIS MANSION AND NOW HE”S GOING OFF TO JAIL. CAN YOU READ THIS!!! IS IT BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU?
  I just showed you a video of All your dems saying Sadam had WMD’s with their OWN mouths and here you aere saying Cheney made it up. Yes, you seem REAL intelligent there sunshine. Here’s one more of the President lying:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhe71lsysKw

  I love your selective learing capacity there too. If you bothered to watch the rest of the response McCain gave, he said 5 mil tounge in cheek, but you must of missed that huh?
  Finally, I take an older experienced seasoned President thatn a green, inexperienced clod any day!

• 33 An Obama-nation // Aug 23, 2008 at 5:50 pm

  Isn’t it amazing Aunt Bertha how the left reacts when asked to answer to the truth…to them instead of answering , they make up stuff like 88%
  of FOX watchers are going to vote for McCain…Really?? Nice place you get your facts from. What the hell kind of site is this? a ticket Site?? What next, “information from the Huffington Post or the New York Slimes?? Yup no biases there. Fact is as I wrote. Guess I shouldn’t have to worry about McCain winning, if what you say is true, because you can add all the viewership of all those other cable News stations and it would equall half of Fox. And THAT’s a fact. I am not trying to change your mind #29 or Dave D, but if you’re going to come on this blog and LIE then I am going to point it out.
  As far as Tony Rezko, Obama’s biggest contributor, these aren’t rants Blank for Brains, they are the truth. Let’s put that in caps for you since it has a hard time penetrating that thick skull of your… TONY REZKO IS OBAMA”S CONTRIBUTOR, HIS BUDDY, HIS PAL. AND NOW HE IS A FELON WHO STOLE MILLIONS FROM TAXPAYERS, GAVE THAT MONEY TO HELP OBAMA, While PEOPLE IN HIS BUILDING HAD NO HEAT, HELPED OBAMA BUY HIS MANSION AND NOW HE”S GOING OFF TO JAIL. CAN YOU READ THIS!!! IS IT BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU?
  I just showed you a video of All your dems saying Sadam had WMD’s with their OWN mouths and here you aere saying Cheney made it up. Yes, you seem REAL intelligent there sunshine. Here’s one more of the President lying:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhe71lsysKw

  I love your selective learing capacity there too. If you bothered to watch the rest of the response McCain gave, he said 5 mil tounge in cheek, but you must of missed that huh?
  Finally, I take an older experienced seasoned President thatn a green, inexperienced clod any day!

• 34 Anon432 // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:15 pm

  Obama-Nation…I loved that youtube ending with that president. Wow. That was priceless.

• 35 An Obama-nation // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:20 pm

  Here some more for you. The media has made a “celebrity” out of Obamamania. The man only utters two words and he is deemed the massiah. Let me guess Anonymous and dave d, I don’t know what I am talking about right?? The media to you guys isn’t biased is it? Anytime a Republican makes a gaff, it’s all over the news. Quail puts an “e” at the end the word potato and it’s all over the news. You know why Obama didn’t want to debate McCain in a town hall setting? Because when you take away the teleprompter from Obama, he becomes a blithering idiot. But the mani news media won’t show you that….But I will, so enjoy Anonymous and dave d

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5R6kVry4_c

• 36 Barnstorm // Aug 23, 2008 at 6:58 pm

  #27,

  It might be worth your while to run your posts through spell check before calling other people’s posts “ignorant”. You write like you never got past 7th grade English and your vitriol shows your emotional level at about the 3rd grade.

  How much experience did George Washington have before he became our first President? Yes, he had military training, but his foreign policy dealings consisted of kicking butt here during the French & Indian wars.Oh yeah, he was buddies with Lafayette. Now that made him knowledgable!

  Saint Ronald Reagan also was a little shy in the foreign policy department but he picked things up AFTER he was elected.

  I don’t consider Obama’s lack of “experience” to be so much of a handicap. He has not becomed poisoned with all the “Washington insider” crap we’ve all grown to be weary of. A fresh perspective might actually do this country some good.

  I don’t profess to know what Obama would do if he were elected any more than I know what McCain might. None of us here are truly psychic, and anyone who says they KNOW what a given candidate will do is full of both crap and themselves.

  Aunt Bertha, I enjoy your posts and know you’re looking for answers. Please don’t base your judgement on a bunch of pro and con YouTube clips.
  CNN may be pro-left and FOX may be pro-right. Listen to both and make up your own mind. We all need to dig deeper than a bunch of sound bites.

• 37 An Obama-nation // Aug 23, 2008 at 7:51 pm

  That’s real cute barnstorm. Let’s talk about the spelling and not the message. I am definitely not the best typer but I told you the left would shoot the messenger, not the message before.
  That’s ingenious how you compare old George of the 1700’s with a man running for the highest office in the country today (It’s the year 2008, if I need to point that out for you. Things are a bit different today than over two hundred thirty years ago.) WTF?? Lafayette?? This must be a quip that is way to scholarly for me.

  Ahh, Ronald Reagan.. I volunteered for Ronald Reagan. I voted for Ronald Reagan. I, like the vast majority, beleived in Ronald Reagan. Barak Obama is NO Ronald Reagan!
  IF you can remember, my guess is you can’t because you are probably one of those starry-eyed college kids that think Obama is just as cool a dude as Bono or Justin Timberlake, that we had that utter disgrace of a president, Jimmy Carter before Reagan. I’m sure you beleive that milk toast sap Carter was a great president too, don’t you? Reagan gave stern warning to the Iranians who held our people hostage and they were released as he took the oath. Did you remember how the hostages wanted to slap Carter silly when they finally came home? Of course not. Reagan was stern with the USSR and it was because of his belief that a strong military in the best defense. Not like Obama’s view, is it?
  No Barnstorm, Obama is a fresh Face right? Not a Washington insider is he? Yet he picked Joe Bidden!! How long has Ol’ Joe been a “Washington Insider” there BarnStorm? He picked Joe Bidden because McCain will clean his clock on Foreign Policy and Obama doesn’t know his ass from his elbow in that department does he?
  I love your lame line ” I don’t profess to know what Obama would do if he were elected any more than I know what McCain might.” Well Barnstorm, I can tell you this, in an era when Iran is toying with nukes and their leader keeps threating to wipe Isreal off the map and Russia has asperations of returning to it “glory days” by invading defenseless neigbors, you want to experiment with a man who can up to now only utter two words, Hope & Change. I for one will vote for the man with a back bone who is well versed in foreign diplomatic affairs. Obama’s first response to the Russian crisis was to tell both sides to calm down. BOTH sides calm down!!! WTF! One country is RUSSIA with huge armed forces and weapons, the oher is piss-ant sized Georgia with a skelton of an army in comparison and Obama says for BOTH side to calm Down!! What a diplomat. He then wants the UN to be involved. The UN?? What are they going to do? Write Russia a stern sharply worded letter? McCain was blunt to the Russians to retreat back to their own countries boarders.
  The saying is learn from history or you are doomed to repeat it. Obama should study Chamberlin’s remarks before WWII. I should point out how people like you ridiculed leaders like Winston Churchill before the war, barnstorm.
  I’ll take an older experienced savy John McCain over an inexperienced young Obama in this world’s climate any day.

  And by the way barnstorn, I typed this without using spell check, and being the leftist person you are, you won’t heed what is the message. The only thing you’ll notice is if I forgot to place a vowel in the right place because that’s what is real important to scholars like you. isn’t it?

• 38 An Obama-nation // Aug 23, 2008 at 8:16 pm

  One more thing arrogant, pompous Barnstorm, I may not spell like a scholar such as yourself, but atleast I know there are 50 states, unlike this chump who you champion:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

  God Save us all if this idiot is elected.

• 39 New Sono resident // Aug 23, 2008 at 10:04 pm

  Why all the nastiness? Does anyone on this site really believe that either Obama or McCain are idiots? They are both fabulously accomplished people. They have different views on how to solve problems. For every Obama gaffe one can find a McCain gaffe. Why do so many on the right want to paint Obama as a socialist? He’s a millionaire. Both he and his wife are successful attorneys. The Obama economic team includes Paul Volker, the Fed Reserve Chairman under Reagan. Volker is the one who stopped inflation. Do you really think Paul Volker is a socialist? Or Austan Goolsbee who heads Obama’s economic policy team and heads the MBA program at University of Chicago, known for the likes of Gary Becker and Milton Friedman. Interestingly the only two Presidents to balance the budget in the past 35 years were Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. It seems that every 4 years the right characterizes the Democratic candidate as a socialist whether its Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry or now Barak Obama. Some on the left are just as bad, but thankfully they’re not as mainstream. George W. Bush is not an imbecile, nor a fascist and John McCain isn’t either as well. Lastly do you really believe that Iran released the hostage because they were afraid of Ronald Reagan? Reagan did some great negotiations with the Soviet Union- and would not have been foolish enough to isolate them the way all the Presidents thereafter did, but there’s no proof that the Ayatollah was scared of Reagan (note Iran-Contra arms deal), moreover, there is circumstantial evidence that Reagan’s team made a deal with Iran during the elections to ensure that there wouldn’t be an October surprise. Release of the hostages was to embarrass Carter not to compliment Reagan. I’m curious if there is a Democrat that Obama Nation (or an Obama Nation, or Aunt Bertha) would ever vote for? Note other than on defense, Lieberman is as liberal as any of them- that’s why he stays a Democrat. I remain skeptical about anyone who is a Democrat and would’ve voted for Hillary but now says they won’t vote for Obama and will vote for McCain. What’s the rationale? Is it really experience? Do you really think that experience is that important that it trumps all the policy issues that caused you to want Hillary for President? Likewise are there really any dyed in the wool Republicans who will vote for Obama because McCain isn’t loyal enough to the Republican party?

• 40 Aunt Bertha // Aug 24, 2008 at 12:04 am

  I am a registered Democrat and I have voted for the people I have believed in and not really looked at their party ties. So really I guess I am an independent. I like Biden and Lieberman. I have voted for Dems who have run for other positions. I have been honest that I would like to make the right choice for me. I want to know why I cast the ballot and the facts about the who I pull the lever for is all that I am trying to say.

  The youtube clips are very scary if you watch them as an outside observer. Just listen to Obama in the last two posted without reading the commentary, before it was written I knew the flaws in what he was saying and that is shaky to say the least.

• 41 anon 12345 // Aug 24, 2008 at 8:08 am

  For those who don’t believe that political contributers have any bearing on the outcome of a
  candidates election you may want to look up some history on Tony Rezko. This my friends is not a good person and hopefully if Obama wins he doesn’t include more like him as his close personal friends.

  Tony Rezko
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  Antoin “Tony” Rezko (born 1955 in Aleppo, Syria) is an American political fundraiser, restauranteur, and real estate developer in Chicago, Illinois convicted on several counts of fraud and bribery in 2008. Rezko has been involved in fundraising for local Illinois Democratic and Republican politicians since the 1980s. He focused primarily on Chicago-area Democrats; for example, Rezko was one of Barack Obama’s first major financial contributors. After becoming a major contributor to Rod Blagojevich’s successful gubernatorial election, Rezko assisted Blagojevich in setting up the state’s first Democratic administration in twenty years. Rezko was able to have business associates appointed onto several state boards. Rezko and several others were indicted on federal charges in October 2006, for using their connections to the state boards to demand kickbacks from businesses that wanted to do business with the state. While the others plead guilty to the charges, Rezko plead not guilty and was found guilty of 16 of the 24 charges filed against him.

  The rest of a very un pretty picture of corruption is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Rezko

  As you can see, I have not picked or chosen excepts because it too includes corrupt republicans who are a wate of taxpayers time and money and now is a good time for all of us to become knowledgable about who the candidates align themseleves before we go to the polls in Nov. Fo those who don’t believe this to be true, you are living in a fantasy that all is ok in lala land.

• 42 Anonymous // Aug 24, 2008 at 9:12 am

  How short our collective memory is, indeed. Have we all forgotten the unending parade of corrupt Bush administration officials, cronies, lobbyists, and campaign contributors that came to a head like the ripened tip of a pimple only a few years ago?

  From this morning’s AP wire:

  Indictments to stand against DeLay associates

  AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — An appeals court has declined to throw out money-laundering indictments against two of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay’s political operatives, who had claimed that state elections law used to charge them was too confusing to proceed.

  Attorneys for Jim Ellis and John Colyandro, who operated Texans for a Republican Majority during the 2002 campaign, argued that the 3rd Court of Appeals should toss out their indictments because the laws used against them were vague and too broad.

  In arguments made to the appeals court two years ago, Travis County prosecutors disagreed, urging the court to let the prosecution continue.

  In a lengthy opinion issued Friday, the court affirmed the finding of a lower court and declined to dismiss the indictments.

  “The challenged statutes give constitutionally adequate notice of the conduct prohibited and sufficiently determinate guidelines for law enforcement,” 3rd Court of Appeals Justice Alan Waldrop writes in the opinion.

  In 2002, Texans for a Republican Majority sent $190,000 in corporate checks to the Republican National Committee. The RNC, in turn, sent $190,000 of money collected from individuals to seven Texas candidates.

  A Travis County grand jury indicted Ellis, Colyandro and DeLay on money-laundering charges in 2005.

  Prosecutors argue that the transaction was an attempt to turn corporate money that is illegal in Texas elections into legal donations to GOP candidates. The defense argues that it was separate, legal transactions.

  DeLay, who resigned from Congress in 2006, was not a party to the appeal.

• 43 dave d // Aug 24, 2008 at 9:30 am

  I’ve never been a registered a democrat and I’m not going to argue with Obamanation anymore because clearly there is no headway to be made. I just wanted to post the real link from an unbiased source about 87% of FOX News’s audience voting McCain (I screwed up the last one): http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/news_you_watch_says_a_lot_about_how_you_ll_vote

  I would be embarassed if someone this clueless became our president: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u69hmzY

• 44 An Obama-nation // Aug 24, 2008 at 1:30 pm

  Anonymous #42 Are you really going to start looking for Corrupt Republicans now?? Well, I can do the same for Democrats too. The point is I don’t want ANY corruption from our officials and if they are guilty, then they should be prosecuted whatever their party affiliation, Period. As far as painting rebublicans tied with lobbists, give that a break too. Unfortunately, lobbists and politicians knows no singular party. Hell, even Harry Reid’s son is a lobbiest.

  dave d, The poll I seen last week showed Fox Viewership as being basicly split between Repub/ dems and the rest Independants. I will find it and post it on Monday. If what your poll says is true, then many of the “Reagan Democrats”, Hillary supporters who will not back Obama or Conservative Dems such as Lieberman or Zell Miller are watching FOX. I found it interesting in the poll you posted that CNN & NBC Have Obama supporters of 2 to 1. My point being then that those station can be painted as biased as well. It’s still before Labor Day and many don’t even start thinking politics until after that holiday, except for political junkies like us, but I will note, durning the last several presidential elections, the Democratic nominee was ahead in the polls by double digits at this point of the election and then ulimately lost. With all the money the DNC has, with all the coverage Obama has been given in comparison to McCain, The steady loss of support Obama has shown since July, they are in a statistical dead heat as of today. I like McCain’s chances very much. After Next weekend, the campaigns will heat up and we will see under more scutiny the visions and plans of these canidates. We will also see their characters, voting decissions (partial birth abortion will be a biggie) and pasts disected. I am confident that when Obama’s associations (Wright, Farakan, Ayers. Rezko, Dorn, etc.) are better revealed, that part of the electorate, the undecided, will swing in McCain’s favor. Especially when John Q Public has to decide who will best given The events of the day such as Russian agression, an unstable Iran with nukes and intent of eliminating Isreal, and Oil drillg. Obviously, you don’t agree, so only time will tell. All that is left is that we have to agree to disagree at this point.

• 45 Anonymous // Aug 24, 2008 at 3:05 pm

  Anyone who votes for partial birth abortion needs to make it their business to actually see what steps are taken in order to perform this barbaric procedure. While I think women have a right to choose,(not however as a form of birth control) I suggest they do so before their 4th and above months when the procedure to abort that child are nothing less than horrific.

  You can actually find the procedure online if you so choose, but I suggest you brace yourself for someting disgusting!

• 46 Father Ted // Aug 25, 2008 at 10:38 am

  McCain=George Bush III
  Thats enough for me to vote for Obama.

• 47 An Obama-nation // Aug 26, 2008 at 2:20 pm

  Father Ted is indeed no “Father”. I wouldn’t even call him human. You are so right #45. For all of you out there that don’t understand partial birth abortion, you need to educate yourself. Go to google, click on “images” and type in “partial birth abortion”. Poster #45 is correct, it is NOTHING less than Horrific!

  Now you should know that Mr. Obama was the one to vote for this practice to continue. Ohh, he’s tried to spin his way out of this one too by saying “it was a different bill than the origianl, yada yada yada” There’s only one reply to that - BULL S#!t!! The press looked into it and they WERE NOT differsnt. Anyone who would vote for partial birth abortion is a monster!

  And “Father” (ha ha) Ted, Obama is running against McCain, not Bush. Pinch yourself and wake up. We know you dem’s like that daydream and that and it’s in your daily talking points from the DNC to perpetuate that nonsencical spin. The public knows better, you on the other hand…ehhh.

• 48 Anonymous // Aug 26, 2008 at 2:36 pm

  #47-Hopefully some people will look at the procedure that is allowed up to 8 months and see just how they abort this full grown baby. This is no longer a fetus that hasn’t developed, it is a fully grown child who can survive outside the womb were it not for the barbaric procedure that is done to this child. I suggest if you have a Congressman or Senator you know that continues to vote for this that you go online, download some of the graphic pictures and deliver them to them at dinner time. Maybe they would like to share them with family members. Imagine the surprise on the kids faces when they realize that mommy or daddy votes to extinguish by barbaric measures children just like themselves.

• 49 Anonymous // Aug 26, 2008 at 3:48 pm

  For all of you beating the “holier than thou” drum, why don’t you go online and Google “civilian casualties in Iraq”? Do the rest of us a favor and keep your religious and moral ethics to yourself unless you want the Pandora’s box opened up.

• 50 Anonymous // Aug 26, 2008 at 4:21 pm

  I have no holier than though attitude nor do I have a drum. Nor is my opinion based on any religious beliefs since I prefer to keep my religious beliefs to myself. I just have the scientific facts about the procedure that in my belief is barbaric. I’m well aware of the casualties in Iraq and certainly not willing to argue that it is no less a crucial concern for everyone.But does that make partial birth abortion any more humane? I did not say that either had more of a devistating affect, I was just pointing out a fact! Partial birth abortion is barbaric.
  Unlike abortion procedures in earlier months, a partial-birth abortion takes three days to complete. This method is performed on pre-born babies beginning at the “fifth month of development up til the eigth month”. If you would like the rest of the description I’d be happy to finish it but its not something that people need to read on a blog.

  PS, I thought that on this blog people had a right to voice their opinions as long as they don’t insult or demean others? Besides, you are assuming I am a right winged conservative which is so very far from the truth that it is laughable.

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