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Council Now Has To Vote Tommorrow


by turfgrrl


July 21st, 2008 · 9 Comments

Well maybe they don’t. This council has been rather fond of the table motion. And the pass motion. And the meatball motion. That last one is definitely not in Mason’s Rules. From the Advocate:

The Common Council is expected to vote on the city’s controversial garbage contract and possibly intervene in the acquisition of properties for the proposed redevelopment of West Avenue.

The city’s Redevelopment Agency is requesting to take up stalled negotiations with private property owners in the footprint of a planned $553.3 million, 19.8-acre mixed-use development along West Avenue.

Under the proposal, Redevelopment Agency representatives would sit at the negotiating table with property owners in place of the developers, joined by the state’s property rights ombudsman acting as mediator. But testimony from several area property owners who said their negotiations have not reached an impasse, prompted the chairwoman of the Planning Committee to offer an amendment to the agency’s request, directing developer Seligson Partners to go back to the negotiating table.

“We don’t feel that the developer is doing what he’s supposed to do,” Planning Committee Chairwoman Phyllis Bolden said.

Bolden later retracted her amendment and the item was tabled.

The retracted amendment, which the council will vote on tomorrow evening, asks the redevelopment agency to “go back to the developer and demand they make a good faith effort to renegotiate with each outstanding property owner in the Waypointe and Wall Street Project.”

The city’s garbage contract has been debated at multiple public hearings. The city has offered two choices, when its contract with the Connecticut Resources Recovery Authority expires Jan. 1.
The Department of Public Works has recommended a plan that would lease a privately held transfer station on Meadow Street to handle all commercial garbage while reserving the city-owned transfer station on Crescent Street for residents who self-haul and for expanded recycling capabilities.

That plan would save the city $1 million each year, officials have said. But South Norwalk neighbors of the Meadow Street facility have said the savings are not worth the negative impact on their quality of life. They have urged the council to go with the second option to continue with commercial and residential dumping at the Crescent Street station as it is now done.

Tomorrow, council members will have both options on the table in an agenda that asks them to approve either the Meadow Street option or the Crescent Street-only option.

source: Advocate, Common Council to vote on garbage, By Alexandra Fenwick, 07/21/2008

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9 Responses so far “Council Now Has To Vote Tommorrow”



  • 1 Diane Cece -washing their hands of it? // Jul 21, 2008 at 10:56 am

    On the eve of the infamous vote I offer an updated version of the last line of my public comment:
    “I expect the work of the Public Works Committee to be done within the committee, and that on Tuesday night only the deliberations of the facts should be necessary, not the gathering thereof. I think a motion should be made to send the agenda item of both options back to committee, until such time as ALL committee members’ questions have been adequately answered, and the committee itself can make an informed recommendation to this council: a recommendation they can defend with facts before their fellow councilors, and more importantly, one they can defend with a clear conscience to the residents of the Meadow street area.”
    To do anything other than move one option forward is the public works committee merely covering their butts - if the vote goes to Meadow, an unpopular choice, they can say “well, it is what the council chose”. We’ll need a roll call vote for sure. If the votes goes to Crescent, a less financially attractive alternative, then the mayor and Mr. Hamilton and Mr. Alvord will now say “we won’t have enough money to fix flooding, hire police, fight fires, and educate the little children. All because of the solid waste plan.” And the committee can again say, “well, it is what the council chose” Yeah, right. Let’s get an actual financial analysis and environmental & traffic study for BOTH options, and finally compare apples-to-apples. Then you can vote.

  • 2 Old Timer // Jul 21, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    No wonder the council has a problem with the City Carting deal. Hal’s sketchy financial projections show the City will spend more under the City Carting-Meadow St plan $4,442,974. (current budget $3,140,776) but somehow he expects to get back a big part of that, operating City Carting’s rented transfer station for garbage and C&D waste, in competition with other private transfer stations he believes will go out of business rather than undercut the City’s prices. He assumes he can upgrade the permit to 1200 tons a day. The rent alone on the transfer station is $420,000 a year, City Carting pays the taxes. Both waste transport and operating & maintenance costs go up each year.
    In another document, non-recoverable cost for this fiscal year is projected at $2,083,000 and at $3,079,500 for next year, with the City Carting deal. On the same fiscal analysis page, he shows Net Norwalk Cost as $1,010,180.($2,858,600 expense less $1,848,420 revenues) Where does he get his numbers ? They can’t all be correct. Which ones should the council believe ?

  • 3 Anonymous // Jul 21, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    I agree #1 but to vote and make everyone lose money at those programs we must have enough for a new fire station, clean up the asbestos at the old police station and pay for the new sewage treatment plant,not to mention all the extra money needed for simple things in life.So where we have money for the rest lets not have any more injustice done on our taxpayers let talk about it all.

    How much more money will Oyster park need after the drilling and testing is done for Vets park checking on contamination? Any word on the testing in Norwalk river? the Cloak and dagger city hall antics have to stop.

    Get rid of the old boys club its not working anymore the writing is on the wall.If we are going to break the bank over the fact we will lose fire police and education money let it be over the transfer station and not lack of bills we are not reminded of on a daily basis .I was under the impression the longer you wait for all the other stuff costs double over time.

    Time is what we have the problem with the schemers is they ran out of time there isn’t an election to help them out they have to face the music the term isn’t over just yet is it?

    30.5 cops for a transfer station seems reasonable

    where did the .5 come from = Rillings replace him and you can use my backyard to sort plastic.

  • 4 Diane Cece -vote on what?? // Jul 21, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Okay, last thing tonite, so I can rest up for the big show Tuesday nite.
    If you look at the Common Council agenda (finally posted at some point today!), you will see that the options listed for either Meadow or Crescent are a little bit biased again:
    Option 1 Meadow 10 years as per terms negotiated 5-23-08 (no dollar amount given)
    Option 2 Crescent 5 years at $13,668,605.00

    Now you know why I shake my head and get disgusted by this entire process and OFTEN use the “f” word. Why the “eff” can’t this committee put the “effing” dollar amount for the 10 “effing” year contract at Meadow? If they are not putting the dollar amount for Meadow on the action item before the council, then why the “eff” are they putting the dollar amount for Crescent?
    My nephew has coined a favorite expression, that in times of total frustration and by way of explanation, just wraps it all up: “this is why”.
    And so, when you ask me why I am the way I am, this is why. When those who vote in favor on one or the other cannot articulate why, I’ll shake my head once more and utter “this is why”.
    TG: feel free to bleep my f’s.

  • 5 turfgrrl // Jul 21, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Diane Cece: Feel free to “eff” I’m fond of the WTF myself. As a cautionary note, I have seen many items on agendas without numbers. The backup material that the Council members receive sometimes has those numbers, sometimes not. The agenda items come from the committee chairs.
  • 6 old timer // Jul 21, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Diane: WTF is appropriate. Who’s in charge ?
    The lease on Meadow St is $420,000 a year for ten years.
    The other numbers are all moving targets.
    First year they guesstimate Net Norwalk Cost as $1,010,180.($2,858,600 expense less $1,848,420 revenues) Expense will go up about 4% a year, they hope revenues will keep up.
    In short;
    NOBODY KNOWS AND THEY WON’T ADMIT IT.
    City will be committed to pay $2,858,600 the first year, hopes to recover $1,848,420. etc., etc., etc., for 10 yrs.
    The Crescent St option, at $2,733,721 a year costs less than Meadow St, but, apparently will not offer the same chance for the City to earn some offsetting revenue. City Carting will still operate Meadow St as a regional transfer station for garbage and C&D and probably make more money without the City as a partner.
    Even with all the numbers projected honestly and accurately. (difficult with projections) the council is faced with a hard decision and not enough information. Will this really save a lot of money ? Is a partnership with City Carting good for the City ? Is a regional transfer station with a 1200 tons a day permit good for the neighborhood ? Will the City be sued ?
    Why is Hal in such a rush ? Why won’t they show us all the numbers, real & projected ? Where are the environmental reports ?

  • 7 Diane Cece - ???'s // Jul 22, 2008 at 7:16 am

    TG: good morning. Okie dokie, WTF it is - it rolls off the tongue and I guess sometimes you “just have to say it” - (from some movie).
    Righto on the backup packages, and I must agree sometimes the packages have all the supporting docs and sometimes not. But as with my gripe about agendas not being posted in a very timely manner, I also want to gripe that backup packages are not available online, except maybe from a couple of groups.

    Old Timer: good morning. Same as last year, last month,last week, and yesterday: lots of questions.
    Let’s see who asks what and when this evening.

  • 8 anonymous // Jul 22, 2008 at 10:17 am

    They need to put hard numbers in place. If they can prove that the transfer station will save or generate 1 million dollars a year, then it is a no brainer. Put it on Meadow St. But if they can’t put firmer evidence, than I am not sure I would support it.

  • 9 turfgrrl // Jul 22, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Diane Cece: I can’t argue with the online thing. All digital documentation is my preferred way to review.

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