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Yet Another Public Hearing On A Garbage Contract


by turfgrrl


July 17th, 2008 · 58 Comments

Fred Bondi opens up on the public hearing with the comment that this public hearing is on the issue of whether we move some of the trash transferring to meadow street and saving the City of Norwalk $1 million dollars or not. Talk about leading the witness …

The public starts speaking.

The first speaker claims that the 500/tons of approved transfer station at Meadow ST. He claims that the tonnage is under review, and that the environmental justice will file a lawsuit to eliminate even the 250/tons that is currently going through the transfer station.

John Murphy of LaJoie’s speaks to the sloving the traffic issues on Meadow ST. He says that he has a meeting with the Mayor and Chief Rilling next week. They are willing to hire police officers to manage traffic going in and out of their facility. Volunteers to attend whatever committee and groups to speak about what they do and that they employ people in Norwalk and that they want to be part of the solution.

Patty Genuario, of Harborview, reads from statement, is seriously concerned about quality of life issues including health hazards and traffic.

Ann Farrow of Harborview, reads from statement, claims that 50-100 peopel showed up to voice their concerns. Says that council is unresponsive to neighborhoods concerns. Claims that there are no penalties for things like odor violations. Claims that Bondi squashed Hilliard on odor issue. Wants saved money to go to contribute to improving Meadow street.

Jerry Crowley, of Harborview, speaking for Bitsy Farnsworth, reads from statement. Asks if council members have visited the site. References aerial photos. Runs out of time.

Diane Cece of East Norwalk, reads from statement, claims that Bondi said neigbour would oppose the laocation of a transfer station at Taylor farm and that Hal Alvord didn’t work on this issue last year. She goes over the 3 minute limit and the audience supports her continuing her statement.

Diane Lauricella of a mailbox address, and and the secret society of neighborhood open government, and wants to enforce health, noise, odors , traffic and runoff. Wants the environmental justice issues addressed, says it doesn’t meet the master plan, reads from DEP minutes sometime in April that a 1200 ton regional transfer station was made. Submits her written statement and the permit process. Thinks that the 3 minute is ridiculous.

Bondi threatens to stop meeting becuase lauricella keeps talking. I applaud, outloud. The audience doesn’t like. Oh well.

???? Rutenberg, transfer station on Meadow St already exists, doesn’t understand what the opposition is. The tax savings are substational urges approval.

Bill Villaso, of East Norwalk, formerly lvied next to a junk yard and urges the council to approve it and get on with more important bsuiness.

John Frank, of East Meadow Lane, and chair of shellfish commission, reads from statement. Concerned about village creek. Doesn’t think village creek can handle a big increase to village creek and the shellfish beds, and questions the real costs savings to the city. Bondi questions if he is peaking for the shellfish commission and he confirms yes.

John ???, representing South Norwalk, and is concerned about the health issues of young children. Concerned about accidents at Crescent street. There are no accidents at Crescent street. Says that Bondis phone rings with “the saints come marching in”

Deb Kreter, of village creek, reads from statement, is concerned about unresolved traffic issues. Concerned about leachate. Concerned about the bonding issue, and environmental impact study that the public was denied access to the report.

Bobby Burgess, of South Norwalk, reads from statement, concerned about April issue at Meadow Garden and is concerned about the closing of Crescent street closure, claims that Alvord doesn’t provide concrete answers. Says he will nto allow any more garbage dumping in SOuth Nrowlak. oops I guess he doesn’t know where the existing transfer station is located.

Al Ames, of South Norwalk, representing South Norwalk, claims that South Norwalk has been lacking services by the city. Says that Harborview, Village Creek, Wilson Point, Shorefront Park would be affected.

John Rule, of South Norwalk, says that the existing transfer station should not be used in as a reason for why the Meadow street transfer station should be used by the city. Claims all of South Norwalk is contaminates that the children have asthma. Saving a million dollars is not worth it.

Reverend Jeffery Ingram, of South Norwalk, concerned about health imapct if transfer station is going on Meadow st. Says that youth and children are adversely affected by these types of projects and cites a study to support it. Asks that savings be balanced against health of children.

Walter Briggs of Rowayton, reads statement from District E Democrats, (which I believe have no members from Harborview and Village Creek, let alone anyone from Meadow street) naturally they oppose it. Claims that residential garbage is going to Meadow street instead of C&D which is what was in the plan.

Timothy Butler, attorney for Enviroexpress, which is the company that tried to circumvent the bidding process.

Shirely Green, of Elmwood ave. but speaking of Meadow Gardens. Says that people think that it is low income housing and that people work on this street and that this is a health issue for kids and the people that live there. Says that West Norwalk or Silvermine wouldn’t like this.

Ann ????, of village creek, says that since village creek was founded they have done everything possible to preserve the environmental impact. Claims that the city of Norwalk is trying to push more bad things on that street but wants a state of the art recycling center. Claims that these plans that the city has aren’t well thought out. Makes claim that this is like saying you are being raped and you should relax and enjoy it.

Nelly Mann, of Lawrence St., asks if the transfer station is moved next to Bondi and that the children need to be saved, from asthma, and that there is smoke that is so thick in the morning. Is appalled at the decision.

a, Meadow Gardens Housing president, speaking as advocate for the children. Has lived there 4-5 years, traffic is unbearable and that the stench is unbearable. Asks that council spend more time considering the health concerns.

John Elling, Secretary/Treasurer of Harbor Shores, says that there are problems on Meadow St. Says that the proposal will make it a little bit harder to make things better. Would like to see the savings used to see what improvement are going to make Meadow st better, including the drainage and increased trucks.

Diane Lauricella asks for a point of order to continue speaking. Bondi says no.

The hearing is over.

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  • 1 Diane Cece-point of order // Jul 17, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    A kind and generous woman in the audience yielded her minutes to me so I could complete my last 2 run-on sentences, but Bondi was pounding the gavel so hard and shouting so loudly that I doubt anyone heard what I why trying to get. So indulge me, TG, to type the last paragraph here:

    I expect committee work to be done within the committee, and that here on Tuesday night only the deliberations of the facts should be necessary, not the gathering thereof. I urge each of you to send this item back to committee, until such time as ALL committee members’ questions have been adequately answered, and the committee itself can make an informed recommendation to this council: a recommendation they can defend with facts before you, and more importantly, one they can defend with a clear conscience to the residents of the Meadow street area. Thank you.

  • 2 Anonymous // Jul 17, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    its funny Lajoies is making mends on a situation zoning and planning was notified of the last explosian they had months ago.

    Homeland security has a file on Lajoies yet the Norwalk fire dept seemed to have lost some accounts of fires and explosians there.

    Maybe we should be looking at the whole picture and not just trash.

    where is the amount of pollution data the transfer station will omit? Lajoies,the power plant even Roodner court smokestacks are given permits by the state in tons they can omit per year .No one seems to want to talk about that is it because its way over the heads of most people to fathom what really comes out of these stacks?

  • 3 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2008 at 3:30 am

    Walter Briggs, bite your tongue!

  • 4 anonymous // Jul 18, 2008 at 8:00 am

    Diane Cece should get a life. And a job. Guess she is joining the Diane Lauricella club. Losers.

  • 5 John Frank // Jul 18, 2008 at 8:51 am

    Some City Carting property, where they store & washout the big dumpsters, borders village Creek. The runoff goes into the creek and out to the shellfish beds and that should stop. 1200 tons a day is a lot more than the transfer station was designed for. Will this really save any money ? How much will the lease cost ? Is City Carting the right company ? Why wasn’t the council told ( Alvord knew) about the FBI raid on City Carting ? Why hasn’t City Carting gotten a permit for the transfer station after owning it for 14 months ? Do we understand the impact on the neighbors ? What is the rush ? Please do not rush into something we will regret later. Get answers before committing the City to any 10 year contracts.

  • 6 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Why try explaining anything to people thinking they know the city John.There are some people hell bent on making it happen before they realize whats going on or what has gone on.Our so called experts are ruining other parts of the city with their vision of Norwalk should be.They have ruined their own reputation by shooting from the hip I’m sure most of the experts realize higher office is not possible for them now they have shown us absolutely no thought process with tunnel vision.

    The dumpster washing has been observed on many ocaisions washing oily bottoms out of lajoies a nd city carting dumpsters on the lot in question.The company that does the washing sneaks in after hours or late sundays to wash out dumpsters with no vac truck or even 3m pads to collect any oil or even LP grease used on the rails,doors or locks for the dumpsters.(you don’t have to be an expert to follow that do you)

    Our so called experts have no envioronmental background yet are on boards that govern the very same subject when it comes to land use and permits.They google it and think I know everything now lets proceed.The mess we find ourselves in with our brownfeilds is a classic example of don’t ask we won’t tell the public a damm thing , its been like this for a long time.

    Now pay the piper or get off these boards and leave public service the dignified way walk out quit give us taxpayers a break we don’t need any more experts who sit on boards then rub elbows with the polluters and land magistrates so profit can be made on the backs of Norwalk taxpayers.

    I guess if you ask the ladies family who sits in the morgue how they feel about city carting you may here something else.I know when I have seen their trucks stop for the blue bucket the truck is still moving while the guy is standing with the bucket waiting for the truck to come to a complete stop,yes that means no driver yet the truck is still moving a piss poor way of conducting any business here in Norwalk or elsewhere. CHEAP SHOT you say,give what you get in this world I say.

  • 7 Diane Cece // Jul 18, 2008 at 9:28 am

    To #4 (someone very mature, obviously):

    Did Diane Lauricella start a club of losers?
    If yes, I assume it is for those who have:
    LOST personal & irreplaceable property to sewer & stormwater damage;
    LOST hubcaps to unpaved roads;
    LOST their First Amendment rights;
    LOST their precious time researching and challenging the b.s. fed to us by the status quo;
    LOST their home to high taxes to cover public bonding of private venture projects:
    LOST their business to eminent domain for private venture projects;
    LOST a loved one to a violent crime;
    LOST their documents from Hal with the dollar analysis and environmental impact at Meadow (oops, never mind. We never actually RECEIVED the documents.);
    Lost a night sitting in the emergency room with a child with asthma;

    I think if these are the losers, they should join the “mysterious” club and be heard.

    If the comment to me is the best the brown-nosers can come up with in response to my well-researched and well-considered opinion, than I suggest THEY get a life, one where they are part of the solution and not the problem, and where they respect others who are care enough and are brave enough to speak out.

  • 8 anonymous // Jul 18, 2008 at 9:35 am

    if you are such a crusader why dont you run for elected office ? put your money where your mouth is.

  • 9 Watchdog // Jul 18, 2008 at 9:36 am

    Number 4, you bring up a good point. I mean this with no disrespect, but unfortunately, people who attend many meetings and speak out on many different issues - no matter how well-meaning - risk losing credibility as an advocate for their cause. Terms like “regular” and “gadfly” come to mind. Sad, but true. The irony is that Diane is doing exactly what we like to tell anyone to do who criticizes and complains, which is, “Get involved!” I think Diane has passion and cares a great deal about what is happening in our city. It’s also interesting that she has acquired high visibility as evidenced by our two posts. Diane, is there a run for a council seat in the near future?

  • 10 Al Raymond // Jul 18, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    I say Diane CeCe for mayor and I mean that. I think she would do a great job . I`d help her get there if she would run for office.

  • 11 Mr Greenpeace // Jul 18, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    yes look at me I thought crime was a problem in Norwalk silly me.

    I thought environmental issues were important silly me.

    I thought I was in a city where people counted not developers silly me.

    I was so stupid two years ago thinking the city would put people first and politics last.

    Where do i sign for this club?

    I should really do something to become involved.

    Mr G

  • 12 nwlknative // Jul 18, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Diane Lauricella may be an expert on the environment and may, indeed, care what happens in Norwalk. Her problem is that she doesn’t know when to “shut up”. She tends to be repetitious and boring and needs a good lesson on how to get to the point. She seems to be at every public hearing representing some group or another. I think most of the time she just likes to hear herself talk.

  • 13 LMAO // Jul 18, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    But she does get the point accross and pisses of Bondi and Kydes so whats the problem? I’m surprised they havn’t had a heart attack the way they react and thats before she speaks.

  • 14 Roton Reader // Jul 18, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Diane Lauricella is often wrong and incorrect on her environmental statements. There must be a reason why she does not hold any license to practice in the state of Connecticut as a professional. As for Bondi and Kydes, they are fools who shouldn’t be on the council. Some of us recognize that Diane causes damage to the credibility of serious issues. If Turfgirl were less biased this blog might create more problem solving than the playground taunting.

  • 15 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Roton Reader, Turf is far from biased. She says em as she sees em and all be damned. If she were biased we wouldn’t be able to be all over the map here with so many different views.

  • 16 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Anyone who suspects environmental damage and ignores it does as much damage.The hazardous waste site on Woodward ave has never been cleaned up yet the contamination has been stopped from leaching into the Village creek so reports say its all online to read.Now we have new development where the contractors next door didn’t even realize they are next to a site with potential hazards.Digging next to a site with underground contamination poses many problems so why are they without the knowledge the city has?It should of passed on when permits were given?

    I guess when others complain about activists they should take into consideration what hoops they have to jump through and battles they have to wage.Knowing remediation and not having a license is like when grandma drove but had no license they did it and life goes on.

    Maybe the city is lucky no one else has come along with credentials it may of stopped 95/7 from starting.Odd how most think one woman is the problem when the city has never spent a dime to fix anything until the state gives them money and then they don’t spend it right.

    Time will clearly define the mess the present day hero’s have got us in.By them most have sold out and cashed in or found profit on the confusion they have created.the rest of us will simply keep suffering to red herrings until people like Diane surfice again.

    The old addage is to keep quiet sell and get out when the time is right but if your next to a dirty site and there are plenty in Norwalk it becomes a problem with your profit margin,or the city will be made to clean up some of their own messes will cost more on taxes.

    where is a committee for these isues? If you don’t want Diane what do you suggest forget about them ?

    problem solving starts with suggestions what do you suggest we do as a city with city wide problems hire an expert house them at the DPW next to Hal?

  • 17 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    #16, the harsh reality is that we have reports on our brownfields and other potentially hazardous sites and we have remediation plans or laws to develop remediation plans when titles to properties transfer. This is why we have a DEP. If we don’t have confidence in the state’s DEP we can create our own Norwalk DEP. That will cost a lot of money and people will protest their increased taxes or leave. That is, leavee if they can sell their tax burdened devalued properties.

  • 18 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    A no win situation it sounds like but your right and we all know the state is pressed to inspect and oversee most sites.Norwalk is low on the food chain where most cities who have found the money or have matched funds get service first,that doesn’t sound like Norwalk now or anytime in the future.Why in the hell do we have real estate agents as our politicians?

  • 19 turfgrrl // Jul 18, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Roton Reader: Yes, I am biased, and opinionated, and vocal. But, anyone can post here, and sometimes people do have great discussions here. Life is too short to be in constant litmus test mode.
  • 20 East Norwalk Native // Jul 18, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    So, the new contract would save the City $1 million dollars. From my recollection there has always been a junk yard, etc. on Meadow Street and I think a lot of the neighbors on Crescent Street are sleeping peacefully.

    I guess no one wants that extra million dollars in the budget. Who knows, it might help pay for the flooding problems without raising our taxes to the stratusphere, or is that last year’s problem.

  • 21 turfgrrl // Jul 18, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Diane Cece: You forget that I was there too, and it seemed to me that it was the audience not Fred Bondi that was making hard for anyone to hear your concluding sentences.

    That being said if Hamlet’s soliloquy, at 800 words be played at 3 minutes, then I think a public comment can come in under 3 minutes.

  • 22 AnonymousToo // Jul 18, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    #6 If you saw this happening why did you not call & tell someone? Council members have their e-mail address, phone #’s on their site for the city of Norwalk.

    http://www.norwalkct.org/comcouncil.htm

  • 23 Old Timer // Jul 18, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    When we talk about spills into the harbor, either directly, or through storm drains. There are laws being broken. The police will take action if something is done deliberately and reported to them when it happens. (motor oil dumped into a storm drain) The health dept. also takes action on violations, and has enormous power, but they have been told by the Corp Counsel that environmental regulation issues are not the health dept’s, but the DEP’s responsibility. DEP takes action, too, but have to respond from a distance and rely on local authority to be their eyes and ears and to be first responders and keep spills contained. Our local Fire Dept and DPW has been very helpful with spill containment at accidents.
    A lot of us want an extra million for the city, but all we see are smoke and mirrors.
    Do you believe any savings will be guaranteed ?

  • 24 Diane Cece- Show me the Money // Jul 18, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    #20 East Norwalk Native - Councilmen have been asking for weeks where the $1 million extra is coming from. They only got a version of the financial comparison this past Monday nite that would make Tom Hamilton cringe, and NONE of them had time to read or understand it there. I just got a copy today, and quite frankly, as they have all been saying, the thing is an apples-to-oranges comparison, and there is no supporting documentation for it. I guess you have more information than they do. If there were a million dollar “cost avoidance”, it should go first to MORE POLICE, and second to additional funds for the fire department. As to our flooding disasters, let’s try this one more effing time: MOST streets only flood in the absence of maintenance, and there was and is plenty of money last year, this year, next year, and forever to maintain the pipes. Mr. Alvord gets the money but decides to spend it elsewhere. Now he needs a stinking stormwater authority and plan to tell him where the priority areas are- are you freaking kidding me? Let’s go to tapes of flood meetings, folks. Let’s go the infamous Tighe and Bond study. You know the line: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I for one won’t fall for the smoke and mirrors again this time. Speaking of Crescent, who exactly are the neighbors there that sleep well at night? King Industries, the cemetary residents, MetroNorth? Oh, maybe it’s the developers.

  • 25 Diane Cece- et tu Turfie? // Jul 18, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Turfgrrl: I know you were there, and if you recall, when Fred agreed I could finish, I was well-heard until he starting banging the gavel and shouting. And I did edit, edit, edit, but found I simply could not take out one more word, so I guess “editor” of The Hour is out of the question as my next job. If you could hear from the back, you would know that someone yielded her time to me, and while that may be allowable in Congress, it seems not to be allowed in the “court of the crimson kings”. For what it’s worth, the mayor has always been a little kinder to those of us he knows struggle to find the courage to even stand up and walk to that microphone. I don’t expect special treatment and rules just for me - you know that is not my style. But surely 16 seconds more would not have killed Bondi.. Anyway, guess I’m more of a 7-minute Court of the Crimson King gal than 3-minute Hamlet, so maybe that explains it all. After all, what one word could you possibly delete from this King Crimson masterpiece, whether you think it is jibberish or not? Read my statement from last night and ask yourself the same question.
    I hope this YouTube attachment works as this is a great version of the song:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHkisNZH77Y

  • 26 Old Timer // Jul 19, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Speaking of Tom Hamilton, he went after Dianne Lauricella in the hall outside after one of the recent meetings on the City Carting Garbage contracts and read her the riot act, claimed that she had just cost the City millions of dollars. They were pretty loud for a few minutes. I guess he is a believer in Hal the wizard’s story about the million dollar a year savings. He is the chief financial guy in the City and hasn’t looked behind the curtain ? Or has he looked and seen something they haven’t shared with the council or the public ? Is something else going on that they have not shared ? Is somebody offering big money for the City’s Crescent St property ?

  • 27 turfgrrl // Jul 19, 2008 at 8:58 am

    Diane Cece: The purpose of the 3 minute rule is to allow for as many of the public to speak. As I’ve said here before anything longer should really be submitted in writing, which is far more helpful to those that have to listen to the public than just a verbal presentation.

    Old Timer: The numbers aren’t so secret. The tipping fees are budget in the City operating budget for the current rate through the end of the year, and the proposed new rate on January 1. The difference between continuing at the current tipping fee rate, through the end of June 09 is about $500k.

    Should the Council not approve the contract, a new tipping fee will be set at current prices, not the ones obligated to under the November 2007 bid.

  • 28 anon // Jul 19, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Seems to me if the state has DEP, why spend more tax dollars to create another money grubbing agency. Let the state handle it.

  • 29 Old Timer // Jul 19, 2008 at 9:27 am

    TG: Those numbers are not secret.
    Why does City Carting want the City to lease the property and get the permits ? What will that cost the City ? Are City Carting and their backers planning to sell the property, at a huge profit, once they have the City locked in to two long term contracts ?

  • 30 Diane Cece- still pesky unaffiliated voter // Jul 19, 2008 at 9:37 am

    #10 Al Raymond - you are so funny! Thanks for the unsolicitated endorsement (ps: got your $20 here).
    Relax everyone - hell is not freezing over. And Hal can relax, too: he who vowed to retire if I run and am elected to council (gosh, almost makes me consider……….nah, still not worth losing my uncensored voice of independence on the other side of that podium).
    I’ll paraphrase a great line from the late George Carlin, who I will miss more than ever this November: “In Norwalk, any one can become mayor. That’s the problem.”

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