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Crime-sense And Sensibility


by turfgrrl


July 2nd, 2008 · 66 Comments

Let’s start out with the fact, statistically, that Norwalk is a very safe city. And let’s also concede that perception is reality for most. And then let’s take a trip to the Marvel Universe and the history of spidey-sense.

Fans of Spiderman know that much of the plot, once stripped bare of the evil doers, was about whether Spiderman was vigilantism gone awry with J. Jonah Jameson, publisher of the Daily Bugle, representing that p.o.v. or Spiderman being the people’s hero, with Peter Parker representing that view. In reading today’s Hour I kind of get that comic book style positioning:

Sellers, who served as a City Council member and represented District 140 in the state House of Representatives during the mid-1990s, was convicted of taking a bribe from a man who turned out to be an undercover officer in exchange for recommending him for a pistol permit in December 1996. The felony bribery charge does not prohibit Sellers from being a chapter head under Guardian Angels guidelines. Sellers retired from office and from the police department after pleading guilty.

Monday night, however, Sellers, who has served in recent years on the Mayor’s Advisory Committee, agreed that his new position as head of the Guardian Angels in Norwalk could be interpreted as a re-entry point for him and that being a chapter head would afford him greater visibility within the community. His energy carried the meeting. His flamboyant optimism was tempered by occasional bouts of anxiety over the resistance the idea of starting a chapter caused on the part of Mayor Richard A. Moccia and Police Chief Harry Rilling.

“As I see it, the kind of policing the department is doing in Norwalk is reactive policing, not pro-active, community policing,” Sellers said. “The officers are responding to one 911 call after another. They can’t even catch their breath. They are not assigned to certain areas regularly and don’t have time to work a beat. When I was a patrolman, I had a chief once who said that he did not want air conditioning in cars because he wanted us to keep the windows down to be aware and to hear people calling for help.”

The Guardian Angels have visited Norwalk three times since Geake extended his invitation. The important thing for Norwalk, Sliwa said, was that interested community leaders continue to build “a template of consistency,” by making the Guardian Angels visible as an option here. “This is something you do on your own time,” Sliwa said, advising them to set up a patrol schedule based on the needs of the community.

Recent patrols in South Norwalk and around Main Street generated some positive feedback from residents and even one police officer, according to Arnaldo Salinas, the senior director of the organization.

Further patrols would be called for, Sellers said, to stir up recruitment and get citizens familiar with the Angels. The suggestion that the Angels set up a table at this fall’s Oysterfest was enthusiastically embraced.

Referring to the two stabbings and one drive-by shooting, which took place in June, as well as to what she perceives as heightened drug trafficking in Norwalk, Witkowsky asked, “It’s not only a South Norwalk thing, it’s everywhere, and it’s great that we have plans for the fall, but what do we do until then because the problem is just getting worse?”

Sellers responded with zeal.

“So that the boys at City Hall don’t make a mockery of this, we are going to answer that question, but we are going to answer it with solidarity and with some strategy,” Sellers said. “I would like to have a plan in place by the fall involving patrols at all of the housing complexes, and I would like to talk to as many people as possible, EMTs and schoolteachers to find out what Norwalk needs.”

When contacted by The Hour, Moccia continued to express disdain for the chapter. “I have talked to many members of the business community and the chamber of commerce and they say they don’t think it is a good idea because it creates the wrong kind of impression on people, the image of Norwalk as having a really bad crime problem,” he said. “I just don’t think it’s a good idea to have them walking up and down our main business district.”

Rilling took exception to the idea that the police department was primarily “reactive” and cited liability concerns related to the Guardian Angels’ use of citizen’s arrests to detain suspects.

“I think the city has to be very, very careful not to engage in a formal partnership with the Guardian Angels because they only train people for three months, and I think it very likely that someone could bring a suit against them for violation of their rights or use of excessive force,” Rilling said.

The type of crime we see in Norwalk is not the kind that is limited to an area. Crimes are happening everywhere. The perpetrators of those crimes are not necessarily from Norwalk. Banks get robbed because that’s where the money is, the paraphrase a famous bank robber. Assaults happen between people who know each other, often family members. And while its easy to spot the streetside drug deals happening in the neighborhoods around Roodner Court, drug deals are just as likely to happen in the back room of a restaurant … in Westport.

Drama and flamboyance make for a good cop show on tv. I’m not sold on the idea that it will make crime happen any less often.

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  • 1 Anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Wes there a shooting on Flax Hill last night?

  • 2 MGeake // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Three blocks from my house:

    One injured in South Norwalk shooting

    By AMANDA NORRIS Hour Staff Writer
    NORWALK — An unidentified man was shot in South Norwalk on Tuesday night as violence continues to escalate in this part of the city. Multiple cruisers, a command vehicle and detectives swarmed Flax Hill Road between Taylor Avenue and Lowe Street after the shooting took place just before midnight. One victim, a young black male, was transported to Norwalk Hospital via ambulance with a non-life threatening wound after having his leg bandaged by paramedics at the scene. Detectives at the scene would not confirm that the suspects fired from or fled in a car, but radio broadcasts immediately following the shooting indicated that a bulletin was issued regarding two suspects in a white, two-door Toyota Scion or a similar looking sport utility vehicle. Nearby residents reported hearing three separate and distinct shots. A resident of Flax Hill Road told The Hour that he had been in his backyard roasting marshmallows with his daughter when he heard three shots. “At first we thought they were fireworks,” he said. “Then we heard with the last one a sound like a fast whizzing of something through the trees overhead, and that’s when I knew that it was something other than fireworks, probably a gunshot.” His 8-year-old daughter said she heard a man say, “Why the hell did you do that?” after the shots were fired. Police blocked off Flax Hill Road between Taylor and Lowe Streets until around 12:45 a.m. Police collected items of clothing apparently belonging to the victim from a grassy area adjacent to the sidewalk outside of a condominium complex at 313 Flax Hill Road. The items included a pair of jean shorts saturated in the leg and crotch region with blood with a solid red canvas belt, a pair of white and red striped sneakers, and bloody socks. A small knife was picked up along with the clothing, but a detective said the knife could have belonged to a responding officer who was trying to cut through the victim’s clothing to render first aid. Police also collected a black wallet. Upon flipping it open and rifling through cards, a detective speculated that the wallet may have belonged to one of the suspects and mentioned the last name “Smalls.” When asked if a fight took place immediately prior to the shooting, detectives declined to comment. They also did not say whether the victim received any other injuries besides the gunshot wound.

  • 3 anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Another innocent victim on his way home from working an eight hour day.

  • 4 Anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    To dismiss what is happening in Norwalk and not be on the streets while this is happening only shows what the rest of us are up against.Buts its ok the tide is starting to flow towards common sense and not the damage control menatlity that has always existed in Norwalk.

    Now the shooting last night on the heels of Moccia satements simply add to the fact the next mayor will be more concerned and street savy.

    Leaving the community relaxed and to say Norwalk is safe has become comments on deaf ears its a shame becuase the participants trying to fight this wave of crime are now becomming understanding why it was them themselves that fought this type of bad information for years.Now everyone has something to lose including their own life.

    No one is reconizing the stray shots that are fired each night that could kill a matter of time what we don’t want are those effected to wish this ipon others that have no clue.Thats not right but what makes this thread good is what has transpired till now Google Norwalk and you can’t escape the truth Norwalk is not safe and that is what turns up on searches.

    Ten shots one hits the traget what about the other nine ? Even Clark Kent was concerned about collateral damage from gunfire.

    Headlines to threads do not count anymore see what happened to Kydes when you google him?
    Its embarassing it brings you back to the ct blog and uncovers his delibertate ways to intimidate and antics towards others in meetings a legacy i wouldn’t want to be on Google if I was a public servant.

    Same goes for crime in Norwalk ,you want a safe and prosperous city start workng on the crime no way will tourism survive this wave of terror on Norwalk streets are being reported by outside concerns from Hartford.

    If anyone hears that Mr Greenpeace became a victim of crime in Norwalk recently its true I’m pissed now I’ll have to go out and meet some people in Norwalk and see if I can make a difference that and getting spellcheck.

    anyone know where I can start?

    Mr G

  • 5 anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    I feel pretty safe in Norwalk. I go to work. Go home. Maybe out to dinner. Go in my home and go to bed. I don’t hang out in the streets all night and I don’t walk around in packs wearing colors and looking for problems. I don’t buy or sell drugs. No, I feel pretty safe here.

  • 6 MGeake // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    #5: So, I imagine, did the man who was roasting marshmallows with his 8-year-old daughter when a bullet came whizzing by. Thank God neither of them was hit; bullets aren’t terribly discriminating, ya know.

  • 7 anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Roasting marshmallows with an 8 year old at 1245 am? Call DCF.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    #7 if you read the article correctly, it didn’t say they were roasting marshmallows at 12:45 it said “after the shots were fired. Police blocked off Flax Hill Road between Taylor and Lowe Streets until around 12:45 a.m” No mention of what time the shots were fired. If you are sitting in your yard at 10-11 or 12am, thats your business. You shouldn’t have to worry about your 8 year old child being hit by stray bullets. What does DCF have to do with a father and child enjoying the evening and roasting marshmallows? Lets focus on the real problem here. GUNS, Bullets and knives in a residential area where families can’t even use their own back yards without fear! Mr. G, what happened to you? I would imagine that who ever victimized you doesn’t read this blog. Maybe you should put up a sign that reads “Mr. G lives here”

  • 9 Lindsay // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    I dont get the mayor at all..so he wants developers and “the business community” to think there isnt a crime problem? So they can continue to develop whatever it is they want and ignore whats happening a mile away? Office, hotels, condos..who is going to occupy these spaces if there is an known, escalating crime problem? Arent Norwalk residents who work in Norwalk part of the business community? Who will want to live here? Work here? Shop here?
    Bridgeport for example has tried and made little progess with making the city a tourist destination, an attractive place to live or visit. There are success stories but overall, do people really get excited over Bridgeport? No. Why? Crime. I dont think anyone wants this plagued reputation spreading to Norwalk.

    My issue is not with whether we have the Guardian Angels or not, its with the Mayors reaction to the suggestion. If I read between the lines, his statement says “we dont care about the people who are at risk, we only care about generating future income for Norwalk”.
    Just my humble opinion.

  • 10 turfgrrl // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    I’m pretty sure there are no bullets, knives and guns in Antarctica. Pretty much everywhere else where’s there’s people, there is crime. But I posted too soon:
    A dispute which may test the criminal jurisdiction is presently in progress as a result of the death of Australian national Dr Rodney Marks in May 2000. Dr Marks died while wintering over at the American-run Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station (which is not on the geographic South Pole, but within the Ross Dependency claimed by New Zealand). Prior to autopsy, the death was attributed to natural causes by the National Science Foundation and the contractor administering the base. However, an autopsy in New Zealand revealed that Dr Marks died from methanol poisoning. The New Zealand Police launched an investigation. In 2006, frustrated by lack of progress, the Christchurch Coroner said that it was unlikely that Dr Marks ingested the methanol knowingly, although there is no certainty that he died as the direct result of the act of another person. During media interviews, the police detective in charge of the investigation criticized the National Science Foundation and contractor Raytheon for failing to co-operate with the investigation.
    So much for crime free areas.
  • 11 Anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    There is no denying Norwalk is in trouble
    and we are all to blame.Facts are only as good as the sources that produce them another a fact others are starting to understand.

  • 12 Anon // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    The solution is two-fold. The first is for the police to hassle and search these groups everytime they see them in public so they feel unwelcome and unwanted. They should be searched every time they are seen and should be arrested for loitering, vagrancy, littering, and obstructing the sidewalk every time they are seen congregating. While thus is occurring, the city should make every effort to substantially reduce low income and subsidized housing in Norwalk. With less low income housing, you will have less violence.

  • 13 Lindsay // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    #11- can you please rephrase that into a sentence the rest of us can understand? One of us is confused..I dont blame myself for the crime problem.

  • 14 MGeake // Jul 2, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Okay, there are no crime-free areas.

    Are you saying that we should do nothing, ’cause crime happens everywhere? Sorry, ’tis not in my make-up to just look the other way!

  • 15 Lindsay // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Exactly! Thank you!

  • 16 Anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Its Image Mike plain and simple.

    Some are worried once there is someone else on the street watching response and how things are being dealt with there will be calls for change at all levels of the administration.

    Kind of goes back to accoutability funny how we all asked for it last election in all departments.

    we saw where one kid got arrested for breaking into the silvrmine school yet The Advocate couldn’t report the fact five other cities and towns were called to respond some with dogs some with manpower around 2 am.The facts by the police dept didn’t reflect what kind of situation they actually had there.One police officer from Norwalk has offered more information on that incident most of which was not in the news.

    This cop would challenge local officials and say the city was left defenseless against all other crimes for over an two hours .He also said it showed the next morning when crime was reported from over night some could of been prevented if these crimmimals saw a cruiser once in a while.

    What we are still seeing by the anount of outside help to catch two suspects was outragious.1 did get away and posssibly more now that said the oficer who has come forewood.

    You can also see some people out here had a lot to say about South Norwalk and how safe they felt yet two shootings and a armed robbery at the guys front door on woodward ave within 500 feet of each other within two nights shut off the speculation that we have a safe community.Only when one of them died did it prove the rest of us right.

    Using facts the Norwwalk police dept are using has been questioned i wonder why they are the police how can you not trust the numbers.Yet some officers say its BS and honestly how could you feel each night adjusting your vest from gunshots knowing other cities are paying more with more incentives.

    Yes we heard recruits are on their way yet officers are still dropping from the ranks one recently over some leagl stuff too bad he was a good cop.

    Your doing better #11 now your saying we have a problem what changed from last week?

    Now when is the damage control press release coming or are they bothering any more and just keeping to the BBB lucheons to lie to the business’s about it all under control.Its ok no owner is that out of touch with the city they too are amuzed by the incompetence of the crime fighters in norwalk at the administration level.

    enough praise our officers out on the street and wonder if Rillings and Moccia are even in the city asking the taxpayers for more money like someone said can’t give the police dept more men if they don’t ask.

    When do we hear thank you’s for the 5 other police departments who came to Norwalks aid the other night because we were so short handed.Still with extra help they couldn’t catch all the suspects whats that tell you?

    By the way BOE fans the police are saying the door was open at the school lets make it harder next time for these kids to get in ,be sure there will be a next time.

  • 17 Just my view // Jul 2, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    We can all sit here and be armchair critics of what is and is not happening in Norwalk and listen to “it happens in other towns too” but we don’t live in other towns and neither do our kids. If we want a safer town we have to stand up and get involved. If it means demanding more protection or getting involved in crime watch then thats what we must do. Pointing fingers and making accusations mean nothing without being part of the solution. we need pro active people to get to the nitty gritty of the problems. Some said the cops need to break up these groups and to make them feel uncomfortable being in areas of concern but the areas of concern are no longer limited to one area. We have concerns everywhere in Norwalk and its not just by those living here but of others who feel free to come into our town and wreak havoc. If we are able to show presense on the streets and let these perps understand that we, the citizens are not going to tolerate it anymore then we can possibly aid the police in their jobs. If you see something suspicious, call the police, don’t just drive by and think someone else is going to make the call. Do it yourself, the more calls and the more concentration on the problem can and will help in detering the crimes we see rising on a daily basis. To all the parents, stop protecting your kids if you think or know they are doing something wrong. Question them and question them again and make them accountable for their actions. Protecting the is a disservice not only to them but to the community as a whole. If you see them wearing what might be considered gang colors or hanging out with a group that to you seems suspicious, you’ll be saving their lives if you intervene. Its better than burying your young child for a senseless thing like retaliation or being in the wrong place at the wrong time. get your kids involved in programs that will keep them from getting in with the wrong groups. Spend more family time so they don’t feel the need to attach themselves to groups they believe will take over for the family unit they are missing. gangs are not family, they are the destruction of families. they are the destruction of our kids.

  • 18 turfgrrl // Jul 2, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    MGeake: No that’s what I’m saying. We should all be thinking crime prevention, but whether that requires citizens on patrol or just simple knowing who’s where at 10 PM is the issue. I think, the coverage of what kind of assaults we are getting is not one that is a crime of opportunity, but rather crimes connected to other activities, which are distinctly planned and premeditated. You’d think that tipping of f the Police of these activities would lead to arrests and investigations that bear fruit. Instead no one says anything, nothing to see in my backyard, keep moving along. Didn’t the Hour report that there was difficulty in finding your volunteers for the Guardian Angel chapter? Doesn’t that speak volumes?
  • 19 MGeake // Jul 2, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    The Hour misspoke. We didn’t even have authorization to recruit until Monday, so we weren’t even looking for volunteers. I told everybody that asked me that we weren’t ready yet.

    The Guardian Angels is not the same as a simple neighborhood watch. Every volunteer must be vetted, and all that are accepted must endure three months of intensive training. In short, there won’t be red berets on the streets tomorrow, but there will be berets on our streets.

  • 20 Anonymous // Jul 2, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Most arrests and calls are from residents calling in on crime.I’m sure a lot of residents can say they called.Only a small part of traffic stops or accidents result in arrests.Most of the time they are at the homeless shelter at least four times day and have taken a new office in the ER at the hospital with all the asaults and shootings.After most shootings they are called to outside the ER for yet another fight.

  • 21 ex-cop // Jul 3, 2008 at 12:18 am

    There was a time when a beat cop, who worked the same neighborhood every day and knew almost everybody, could get away with hassling groups for just hanging around. Did it myself, as a young officer. (long time ago) There was even a non-existent”Highway Mopery” charge they would sometimes be threatened with. Times have changed, and so has the law. Vagrancy is not a crime anymore. Loitering is only a crime under very specific circumstances. Searches can only be done under very strict rules. Cops now get in trouble for hassling anybody, or any group of people, without a good articulable reason. The grounds of some housing projects, at the request of the residents, have been posted for “no trespassing-residents only” in an effort to keep out non-resident troublemakers. Arrests for trespassing have been made and have had a beneficial effect. Street corners are something else. It is not a crime to hang out on the street. Some of the apartments in low rent housing are unbearable in hot weather for hours after sunset. If we had the luxury of enough manpower(Stamford has almost twice as many patrolmen and only a small percentage more people) to keep the same officer in the same neighborhood for extended periods where the officers got to know the locals and could easily spot strangers, we could expect good results. The neighborhood people would develop enough trust to talk to a cop who was not a stranger. The flow of information that could develop would soon result in the few bad guys being arrested or forced to play their games somewhere else. It is a small percentage that causes most of the street crime. Most people, in any neighborhood, want their neighborhood to be a safe place for them and for their children. Most neighborhoods, eveybody knows the troublemakers, but few trust the police enough to turn them in. The really successful detectives were always the ones who made a lot of friends when they were patrolling on the street and kept up the friendships when they got promoted. A friend who keeps your phone number handy is the best help a police officer has. Donnie Sellers probably still gets a lot of calls and he has been retired a long time. It is an advantage to have grown up in town. He is right, about the chief who thought rolled-up windows and air-conditioners in police cars was a mistake. At the same time, J Edgar Hoover was having them disabled when they came on a car, for similar reasons. J Edgar insisted on suits and ties, regardless of the weather.

  • 22 New Sono resident // Jul 3, 2008 at 5:46 am

    Norwalk needs more police,and needs to have them on the street. Too often I see police cruisers hanging out in obscure out of the way places, ostensibly taking a break. Unquestionably it’s a boring job 90% of the time, but if they’d just sit their cars in a housing project instead of behind a building looking at the water it would help. Next, the City needs to be able to provide summer jobs for every minor 16 to 18, keep them busy 8 hours a day and feeling a part of the community. The costs of 1 murder (much less a few murders and a lot of gunshots and stabbings in retaliation) to the community are far more than the cost of summer jobs for 2000 young adults. The problems in the high crime areas of Norwalk are not going to be solved easily, but with more cops on the street, aggressive tactics against gangs, more opportunities for young people, stronger family bonds and improved education.

  • 23 anonymous // Jul 3, 2008 at 10:03 am

    I thought the Norwalk police had a Community Policing program where the same cop worked the same beat 8 hours a day and stayed within the community to get to know the residents like ex-cop is referring to.

  • 24 Al Raymond // Jul 3, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Norwalk police do have community policing but it`s only in the project`s and very limited.I have been after Harry for a very long time to bring that out to ALL of Norwalk but nothing ever happen`s.If you go to your job everyday you learn that job and the area your in very well. Not only that you learn who ,what ,where,when.I personialy would like it every much to know that there is an officer in my neighborhood 24/7.Not how it is now if you need help from an officer you`ll have to wait until someone is free not always but alot of the time. I grew up in Norwalk and it`s true back in the day you knew all the officer`s and they knew you . This my freinds is a different world now we need to take care of our own city and protect our family`s and freinds and neighbor`s.If you see something you MUST MAKE THE CALL if you here something again you MUST MAKE THE CALL.With our eye`s and ears the police will be able to do a better job and if we had an officer at all times in each neighborhood they could respond quicker to our needs.The way I see it if we all work together as a team we can make Norwalk a better place to LIVE and play.

  • 25 anonymous // Jul 3, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Has anyone read the Advocate article today about a survey done by Sacred Heart University regarding Norwalk citizen satisfaction with the Norwalk Police officers. The survey says that the public is very satisfied with the Norwalk Police Department. Interesting?

  • 26 Al Raymond // Jul 3, 2008 at 10:48 am

    #25 I did see that article, But There is almost 85000.00 people living in Norwalk it say`s 600 polled and only 50 resonded.YES our police do a great job but they need our help to do a better job.

  • 27 Anonymous // Jul 3, 2008 at 11:50 am

    No the police officers are doing there job the administration sucks simple and plain.One study 50 poeple tell us this professor needs to look at this more than once as it said he was going to.

    MAKE THE CASE EVEN STRONGER WE NEED HELP,relying on this survey to douse the fire is pathetic like pissing on a structure fire your trying but doing nothing.

    So ride teh PR train till someone else gets stabbed or shot last couple of major crimes didn’t happen in complexes.Growing up in Norwalk makes you jaded doesn’t help the rest of us out knowing whats going on,Your hurting the majority by thinking you know the city you don’t.

    The police officials and mayor makes monkeys out of the ones that trust them thank god most of us see the writing on the wall.

    Residents get what they want figure supporting the home team is the right thing to do like the red sox wait long enough you have a winner.

    Sorry to say most of us can’t wait for protection and back a losing team Moccia and Rillings need help from the home office simple and plain.

    50 legit answers thats how many victims in Norwalk we see a day give it a break and absorb some facts for a change.

  • 28 Anonymous // Jul 3, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    More facts have been uncovered on the article in the Advocate a wolf in sheeps clothing.Hard to explain but if you start hearing some of the details this was not objective and if we can get someone from Pace to look into the survey we may be able to show it was designed to show a favorable report.Its who you know not what you know.

  • 29 anonymous // Jul 3, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Yes. The big conspiracy to protect the Norwalk Police Department has now expanded to include Sacred Heart University. Seems like everyone is involved in the conspiracy except posters on this blog. Hang tough because you know you are the only ones that are right. All the others are wrong. Break the conspiracy.

  • 30 Lindsay // Jul 3, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    #22 there is no shortage of jobs in Norwalk for tenns..what there is a shortage of is motivation and encouragement from these kids’ families. either because they dont care or because they themselves are working to raise their families. These kids who are selling drugs are not going to work 8 hours a day for the same or less money they can make in 2 hours on the street without some sort of outside influence-like you said programs, families, or education..preferably all three.

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