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Poop Happens II And More On Garbage


by turfgrrl


June 24th, 2008 · 11 Comments

What is it with dog poop and Norwalk? Today, as I was investigating the latest developments in the garbage proposal, conversation turned to one of my more favorite issues, flooding and the progress of the storm water drainage projects. For those of you who think DEP approvals fall from trees, the status of the Lockwood/Buckingham pipe replacement project should give you pause. You see, before issuing a permit to replace the storm water draingage pipe, the DEP measures for thigns like e-coli. And it turns out that the existing pipe has high levesl of e-coli, so no permit.

DPW investigated and it turned out that the reason for the high e-coli counts, was because someone, ppresumably residents,  had been dropping dog poop into the catch basins. Apparently there was one catch basin filled with dog poop blocking the grate. That would be a sh*tload of poop. The end result is that the pipe project is now delayed by a year. Somethign to do with warm weather, bids and permits. Which is something to keep in mind as the garbage proposal meanders its way through the now very political process.

The irony, if you can call it that, is that no matter what council members decide to do tonight, garbage will be sorted and shipped out of the Meadow street transfer station.  While City Carting does have an option to buy the transfer station itself, Waste Management still owns it. And should City Carting not execute the option on the property, Waste Management will either seek another buyer, or continue to operate it. Where things get interesting is that garbage is suddenly, with the price of fuel for power generation, an interesting business to get into.

City Carting, the contracted company that hauls garbage for a variety of SoNo residents and businesses like Harbor View, already dispatches its trucks from the Meadow street facility. That use, is not going to go away, regardless of the decision tonight.  The traffic projection, as a result of the proposal is essentially insignificant. As much as people like to think traffic reports are inaccurate, they are pretty reliable predictors of traffic volumes. I have a few theories of why traffic seems much worse these days, but that involves people and bad driving, so I’ll save it for another day.

The basic issue we are left with then is whether the City of Norwalk will contract with City Carting to change the level of garbage processing or not. That level of garbage processing includes additional recycling options that would become available to residents at Crescent street, since the commercial trash processing would be shifted to Meadow street. That would include, batteries, electronics, and motor oil. Those items are in addition to an increased accetance of paper and plastic products. Currently, as most know, you have to drive to Bridgeport or Stamford to dispose of those computer monitors, television sets and other electronic items.

The other bits of data worth mentioning is that the tipping fee that City Carting would be charging is based a November bid. As we all know, fuel has risen sharply since then. Locking in those bid rates is a smart financial decision. There’s been some questions raised about the status of the DEP permit for Meadow Street. The DEP, as Mike Geake reported in another thread, is not making permit procesisng a high priority, but the end result is that the site can continue operations under the filed application for permit renewal.

Tonight (6:30 PM Council Chambers City Hall) a third public hearing will be held on the subject. The details of most of what I wrote will be presented, yet again. Of the 15 council members, only a few have called into DPW for additional details. Bill Krummel and Fred Bondi are the only ones who made a trip up to the City Carting facility in Stamford. Reportedly it is clean and well run. Too bad there aren’t any available pictures to see how the transfer station is run in Stamford. I think we all know how our transfer station looks. They say a picture is worth a thousand words.

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11 Responses so far “Poop Happens II And More On Garbage”



  • 1 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    If you had been at the meeting and heard about the problem concerning Buckingham you could of asked why Hal didn’t suggest a alternative solution that must be known to him.

    Hal is on the website as a spokesperson for the drain sponges out in Arizona,the same company have installed ecoli receptors in Ri along their beaches why not Norwalk?

    Now if it took almost 4 weeks to discover the problem by the DPW and geese are not to blame,they do have DNA tests for that now. No wonder things move so slow in Norwalk we are getting our news here instead of the DPW.

    Pictures on the traffic and voilations as of today on Meadow st would be another priceless picture, want any?

    Pictures of the storm drain that backs up each storm for over a year on meadow and south main st would be another priceless picture.Why after a year nothing has changed yet we can estimate 100s of man hours have gone into clearing it and blowing of unkown water into village creek next to the transfer station should also be looked at.

    Has the land been given a clean bill of health so the city can assume all responsibility?

    Fred and Bill went at it during the meeting when Hal wanted the contract signed before all this, of course Fred has gone to Stamford they probably bought him lunch.

    Doesn’t the option to increase services to all six cities and towns also prevail at the cresent st transfer station? That in itself is a lot of traffic considering there will only be one way to drive on cresent st as it turns into a dead end soon doesn’t it from the Reed st side?

  • 2 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    http://www.abtechindustries.com/assets/IASEM/abtech_scarboroughcasestudy_rev.pdf

  • 3 Looked it up // Jun 24, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    Waste Management of Connecticut, Inc. sold the real estate on Meadow St to Meadow Street Partners LLC, a City Carting Company, on April 3rd, 2007 for $7,250,000. City had it valued at
    $4,171,800. for 5.014 acres and two bldgs.
    Source: Assessor’s pages on City website.
    norwalkct.org
    You are correct, some garbage(MSW) will continue to be handled at Meadow St, up to 250 tons a day.
    Just adding what is now done at Crescent St would more than double that and the expired permit only allows 250 tons a day of garbage.

  • 4 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    The Tax Assessor database is incorrect. City Carting only has an option to purchase 8-18 Meadow Street from Waste Management.

  • 5 John Frank // Jun 24, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    That pipe has had very high e-coli counts for many years and is regularly reported as a result of testing done in Norwalk Harbor by interns working for the health dept and funded, in part, by donations from private donors and the shellfish commission. There is more there than one catch basin full of dog poop. That pipe drains all the way up to Westport Ave at George Ave and numerous things have been done to try to fix the problem. Some of that pipe is very old, clay pipe and there are probably a number of places where sewage gets into it. The City has dug up sections, found cross connections, and when a problem proporty is identified, private owners have made repairs.

  • 6 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    What Hal said he hoped to process 1200 tons a day at meadow st from six other cities and towns at meadow st.If you have trash and your pulling a trailor on your car from Stamford you get to cut through Rowyaton with your trash.

    I keep hearing about Norwalk’s trash what about the rest of the towns,the contract has to have at least a minimun of trash or Carting and Norwalk end up paying more as it was understood.

    How about some facts on this why do they seem so elusive?

    Taking trash through trash was what one person said.

  • 7 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    The permit for the transfer station is for a total of 500 tons. Not 1200 Diane.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Thats not what Hal said his plans to make the transfer station work in the black was 1200 tons a day.

    Existing permit is for 500 tons a day 250 for contruction debris 250 for residential trash.

    He aslo said lowering the tipping fee would put the other transfer station down the street out of business.Nice way to run a city isn’t it?

  • 9 Diane Cece - poopy waters // Jun 24, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    More later - but suffice it to say that the poop water in the pipe is the very same poop water that POURS into the homes on Buckingham and Lockwood, and Olmstead for matter.
    Once again the IDIOTS are more concerned with poop in the river than POOP in our homes!
    WTF - is there something wrong with this picture, or what?
    Wake up and smell the s_ _t Norwalk - it’s right under your noses at 125 East Avenue.

  • 10 No poop no smell for the moment // Jun 24, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    The council tabled the decision and will send it back to committee for a public hearing that is said to be held in the Meadow Street area to be announced. Now maybe someone can concentrate on the levels of e-coli pouring into the roads and homes at Buckingham and Lockwood, and Olmstead and figure out how to fix it.

  • 11 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    How to fix the problem or how to contain it before it does any more damage should be the goal.

    why not #2 suggestions the company who does the work already has a $500,000 dollars from Norwalk can’t they help us out if we ask them?

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