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Bloomberg On The Same Page


by turfgrrl


June 23rd, 2008 · 11 Comments

Over at Washington Monthly, a great blog btw, for the national poltics/ LA / California somewhat lefty-centrist slant, a post about people making sh*t up. Ah, yes, perhaps the blogsphere is on the same page as I am today. Here’s what prompted the post:

Michael Bloomberg did a remarkable thing last Friday; he went to Florida and told Jewish voters that people frequently make sh*t up. His statement was blindingly obvious, yet truly remarkable; given the history of the past twenty years, it’s amazing how rarely voters are given similar warnings. People will lie to you, Bloomberg said.

And Kevin Drum added:

It’s not just voters, either. I was on a jury in a drunk driving case several years ago, and the defendant had a very pricey lawyer who cross examined the state witnesses pretty effectively and then put an expert witness on the stand who threw up a considerable (and impressive!) haze of doubt about whether breathalyzers really worked, whether the particular breathalyzer in this case was properly calibrated, etc. etc. He was very good, but still, when it was all said and done, we had a pretty open-and-shut case: the guy was drunk, he was driving, he got caught.

But our deliberations lasted a surprisingly long time anyway. There were a few different reasons for this, but several hours into it I realized that one of them was something I hadn’t expected: a lot of the jurors simply didn’t distinguish the quality of the testimony. It didn’t occur to them that some witnesses had a greater incentive to lie or twist the truth than others. There was just a big mass of testimony, and their job was to assume it was all true and then try to make sense of it.

The problem was that this wasn’t an episode of Law & Order: there were no sulky gangbangers or stammering girlfriends on the stand in this case. All the witnesses on both sides wore suits (or uniforms) and spoke intelligently, so none of them seemed obviously unreliable. Eventually someone tackled this head on and suggested that, appearances notwithstanding, some of the witnesses really had no reason to lie or exaggerate, whereas some of the others pretty plainly did. After that, the logjam started to clear. But it took someone to make this point explicitly before some of the jurors figured out what was going on.

Is this an allegory for how much of the press works today? That’s left as an exercise for the reader.

Yes people just flat out lie. Stuff like this:

City , Mayor and Common Council are rushing to approve a plan without including review of impact on your neighborhood

Even more trucks  on Meadow Street 6 days a week

Air pollution, noise and polluted water runoff has plagued the community for years and it is time for the City to enforce its laws

It’s time for people to start to start distinguishing the quality of the information they receive.

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11 Responses so far “Bloomberg On The Same Page”



  • 1 Anonymous // Jun 23, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    You hit the nail on the head. Very good.

  • 2 Anon432 // Jun 23, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    It’s time for people to start to start distinguishing the quality of the information they receive.

    I love that line. I think it interesting that people don’t question what they do hear more than they do.

  • 3 Anonimal // Jun 23, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    You’re all just mad cuz Hillary lost

  • 4 Anonimal // Jun 23, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    You’re all just mad cuz Hillary lost

  • 5 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 4:42 am

    I’m mad because Ron Paul lost. Angry, angry, angry, angry, angry me.

  • 6 THE "NORWALK MINUTE" // Jun 24, 2008 at 8:18 am

    Can someone tell my why the Advocate has a large article on local farmers markets including the opening today of the Veterans Park Farmers market, with the times and the vendors. THE HOUR does not even have on line about ANY farmers market. I am I wrong in assuming that there is something wrong with the Hour, when a Stamford paper has more about a hot topic such as local farmers markets, the Hour? We could get more Norwalk info in the Daily News then this rag. The Hour has truly become the “Norwalk Minute.”

  • 7 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 8:39 am

    The only reason to read the wHour is to see what they screw up. Everything I need to know, I get from the Advocate or this blog.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Making s*it up? I like the first response to the George Carlin thread as a great way to read between the turd piles.

  • 9 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 10:17 am

    #6 The Advocate has a new editor Joe Pisani has retired.You will find The Advocate will be coasting past the Hour soon in news and coverage of events they don’t take their orders from city hall.The Citizen another up and coming paper has joined the ranks of news gatering as well.The two papers reconize the need for unbiased news and delivery of it while its still fresh.

    The Advocate web site even though it still lacks in news it still has the fluff one needs to start the day out.When a quarter a day can compete against the Hour and the other is free I’m sure where the Hour prints in NY it will be a matter of time before we hear The Hour cutting back even more using AP and not local talent.

    The Advocate web is also free something to check out.

  • 10 Anonymous // Jun 24, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    What are the hours for the farmer’s market at Vets park? I’m looking forward to not having to worry about any salmonella laced tomatos.

  • 11 SteVe // Jun 24, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    I dunno, I find it kind of ironic that Bloomberg would complain about politicians making sh*t up. I hope he wasn’t excluding himself.

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