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June 18th, 2008 · 28 Comments

Out in the real world, I occasionally get real world comments about the blog. There’s a sentiment held that somehow the comments on this blog can get out of hand. I don’t disagree, but I’ve always felt rather strongly that the first amendment is pretty important, and that anyone who comes to a blog to discuss news and issues is taking that step to exercise that right to free speech. Sometimes that speech comes anonymously. There’s a long history of anonymous speech on the internet. And many issues of privacy that come with it. Huge issues of privacy in fact. Every pixel posted in email or on web sites such as this one, is recorded somewhere. And no one knows who will end up owning that data. Privacy in the age of unknown ownership of data is one reason I tolerate anonymous comments. I wish posters would pick handles, so at least repeat posters can I identify which “anonymous” they are, but that choice is left to the individual who chooses to post a comment.

I’ve given much thought to requiring commenters to register. But experience with other blogs and web sites has shown that registration doesn’t change the content. Whether its posts about stocks, fashion or politics, it seems inherent in the Internet age that vitriol and inflammatory speech are a part of mix. No more so evident than in today’s Courant, where the recent hit and run incident has sparked comments far beyond the type of inflammatory stuff we see here.

Hartford Mayor Eddie Perez’s attack on The Courant for allowing readers to post racist and hateful speech on the paper’s online comment boards raises an issue increasingly confronting newsrooms across the country as newspapers rapidly transform from primarily a print to an Internet business:

How far should newspapers go in policing that kind of speech?

On Monday, in an open letter co-signed by six Hartford public officials, Perez accused The Courant of being insensitive to minorities for not removing posts on courant.com that, he says, referred to inner-city residents as “barbarians” and described immigrants and African Americans as lacking “traditional New England standards of civility.”

The Courant’s comment boards swelled with passionate debate this month following the paper’s coverage of the May 30 hit-and-run on Park Street that left Angel Arce Torres critically injured, and the June 2 mugging of former Deputy Mayor Nicholas Carbone. The two incidents sparked broad debate about civility in Hartford in many forums.

Stories about Hartford typically draw offensive comments on The Courant’s message boards. Although a number of editors regularly watch for speech that crosses the line, the speed and volume of the postings can outpace their efforts.

As newspapers rapidly embrace the Internet as a means of recovering readers they have lost in their print editions, they have mostly adopted the “open forum” values of the Web, which allows users to anonymously post comments on articles and news events. This has made newspaper comment boards a magnet for a small but vocal percentage of readers who openly engage in venomous personal attacks or racist sentiments.

But critics say that newspapers have been too slow to respond to the challenge of curbing hate-filled speech, either lacking the monitoring capacity, not wanting to discourage page visits to their websites or looking for means of encouraging more participation by readers.

This reverses the historic role of newspapers, which considered themselves guardians of civility and, for example, refused to print anonymous letters to the editor on the grounds that it would invite irresponsible speech that could not be addressed by other readers.

Edward Wasserman, a Washington and Lee University journalism professor who has written extensively on the conflicts that the Web presents to traditional publishers, is critical of editors who adopt a “digital big tent” or “Internet town meeting” mentality as they migrate content to the Web.

“Is it really a benefit to the community to allow every loudmouth bigot to post a vilification of his fellow citizen?” Wasserman said. “Of course not.

“If the model is a town meeting, well look what really happens in a town meeting, where there are rules of order and people actually stand up and talk fully identified. We’ve never had so-called unregulated discourse to the extent we allow it on the Web. And it’s false to say that these people out there posting these hateful remarks represent ‘the public.’ No. They are people who are nuts.”

Over the past year, a number of newspapers and large print chains have taken steps such as requiring readers who post comments to register their names or e-mail addresses, or installing “moderation” software that automatically eliminates posts that contain frequently used hate words or phrases.

Shelley Acoca, the reader exchange editor at the Miami Herald, said the Florida paper aggressively moved to change its policies earlier this year after becoming concerned about “some very ugly postings.”

Acoca said that in January the paper hired a full-time comment monitor who reviews both new postings and those flagged by other readers, eliminating about 50 objectionable postings a day. In March, the Miami paper began requiring registration of all readers who want to post, and Acoca said that habitual offenders are disabled from using the system and cannot post.

Acoca said that the combined impact of these three steps reduced overall comments by almost one-half, but that viewing of comments dropped less dramatically. She believes that the quality of overall postings has improved because readers are no longer afraid they will be personally attacked for expressing controversial views.

“We took responsibility for our posted comments and our blogs because it was the right thing to do and it has worked out well,” Acoca said.

Other newspapers and chains, The Courant among them, have stayed with a more open approach.

The comment boards at The Courant and other papers owned by the Tribune Co. are managed by Topix, a California Internet company. Chris Tolles, the CEO of Topix, said that the company employs four full-time monitors who respond to complaints about individual posts. Automated software eliminates other offensive messages.

But tougher measures such as requiring registration reduces posts so dramatically that newspaper websites lose the advantage of high traffic, Tolles says.

“In a free society, it’s important that you have a chance to speak your mind and be anonymous,” Tolles said. “It’s unfortunate that our society still has a fair amount of folks who use this free speech to express racist remarks. But the solution isn’t to take down the message boards because that speech will just migrate elsewhere on the Web.”

Courant Editor Clifford Teutsch said the paper has explored — and will continue to explore — the question of balancing free speech against inappropriate Web postings.

In the end, I am proud of what we have all contributed here on the blog to make it a place where you can discuss issues. There are those that will always continue to push boundaries of civility, but in comparison to other sites, like the Courant, I can even say that for the most part the comments here are self policed quite effectively.

I’m always willing to improve the site though, so feel free to make suggestions, on this and any other site improvement idea you have. And remember, try to lay off the personal attacks.

source: Courant, Newspapers Face Ugly Side Of Web Future, By RINKER BUCK, June 18, 2008

Tags: Norwalk

28 Responses so far “Blog Comments”



  • 1 historically anonymous // Jun 18, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Weren’t the Braodsides that raised rabble in early America either anonymous or pseudonymous? So there’s a solid history for commentary that does not identify itself. It lets the idea stand on its own — outside the individual’s role in the community or their personal credibility. That’s both good and bad — but it makes for healthy debate,

  • 2 Anonymous // Jun 18, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Due to the incestuous nature of the politically active and social community in the City of the Donut Hole (refer to this illuminating video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzw0JEvRA5E), I prefer to remain nameless so as to avoid payback from the usual suspects. As it turns out, I’m in good company:

    From the PBS website at http://www.pbs.org/benfranklin/l3_wit_name.html

    Name that Ben

    During the eighteenth century, it was common for writers and journalists to use pseudonyms, or false names, when they created newspaper articles and letters to the editor. Franklin used this convention extensively throughout his life, sometimes to express an idea that might have been considered slanderous or even illegal by the authorities; other times to present two sides of an issue, much like the point-counterpoint style of journalism used today.

    When Franklin used a pseudonym, he often created an entire persona for the “writer.” Sometimes he wrote as a woman, other times as a man, but always with a specific point of view. While all of his writings were focused and logical, many were also humorous, filled with wit and irony. Silence Dogood, Harry Meanwell, Alice Addertongue, Richard Saunders, and Timothy Turnstone were a few of the many pseudonyms Franklin used throughout his career.

    Silence Dogood — Mrs. Dogood was Franklin’s first pseudonym, created when he was sixteen years old and serving as a printer’s apprentice to his brother James. Silence Dogood was a middle-aged widow who looked at the world with a humorous and satiric eye. Her letters dealt with a range of topics from love and courtship to the state of education in Massachusetts. In all, fifteen Silence Dogood letters were published in James Franklin’s New England Courant.

    Caelia Shortface and Martha Careful — Franklin wrote mocking letters from these two “ladies” to get even with his former employer Samuel Keimer for stealing some of Franklin’s publishing ideas. The letters were printed in the American Weekly Mercury, a newspaper published by Keimer’s competitor Andrew Bradford.

    Busy Body — Franklin’s Busy Body letters were also published in the American Weekly Mercury. Miss Body’s letters were filled with humorous looks at the battle of the sexes and barbs at local businessmen. Gossip was Busy Body’s stock in trade.

    Anthony Afterwit — Franklin created this “gentleman” to provide a humorous look at matrimony and married life from a male point of view. Mr. Afterwit appeared in Franklin’s Pennsylvania Gazette.

    Alice Addertongue — Miss Addertongue was a thirty-five year old gossip who provided Franklin’s Pennsylvania Gazette with stories of scandal about prominent members of society.

    Richard Saunders — Of all of Franklin’s noms de plume, Mr. Saunders became the best known. Richard Saunders was the “Richard” of Poor Richard’s Almanack. First published late in 1732, Poor Richard’s Almanack is probably Franklin’s best-known publication. Richard Saunders’ humorous sayings and advice filled the pages of the almanac’s twenty-six editions.

    Polly Baker — Franklin used Polly Baker to examine the negative way women were treated in the eyes of the law. Ms. Baker had several illegitimate children and was punished for her “crime,” while the fathers, many of whom were prominent citizens, suffered no such hardship.

    Benevolus — While in England, Franklin penned a number of letters under the name of Benevolus. These letters tried to answer some of the negative assertions made by the British press about the American colonists. These letters were published in London newspapers and journals.

  • 3 norwalker // Jun 18, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Let us not forget Rome, Italy’s PASQUINO who daily commented on the state of everything, including politics, by posting almost daily written messages in a certain corner of the city in the 1800’s. Certainly lesser known to most people than our illustriuous Ben Franklin, but any Roman will tell you that he was the best journalist of his time. It was a pseudonym, of course, but no one in Italy will ever forget Pasquino.

  • 4 Norwalker // Jun 18, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Alexander Hamilton did the same to knock his political enemies. Thomas Jefferson managed to get others to write his letters even attacking G Washington. The beginnings of the 2 party system wasn’t pretty.

  • 5 Anonymous // Jun 18, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Only a political insider could pollute a discussion about freedom of speech by turning it to a discussion about the two-party system. Nice going.

  • 6 old-timer // Jun 19, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Anybody here attend the council hearing last night on the City Carting Co contract ? Hal did not do his presentation. There were comments from a lot of people with concerns about rats, noise, traffic, and run-off from the site. The environmental studies, and the traffic studies, are still not available. Hal wants a council vote as soon as possible, because time is running out. DEP permits need to be transferred, and that takes months. He sounds like they should take his word that all is well and vote. He made it very clear that garbage was going to Meadow St. on the first of January, regardless ???
    Meadow St may be a good idea, or not. It is hard to understand why the rush. They knew 25 yrs ago when the current contract was running out. Hal says they should have started sooner, but the City would not spend the money two years ago.
    A representative from Envirotech made a fool of himself. His company bid high, did not get the contract, and he is annoyed the City (Hal) would not negotiate after City Carting was selected as the contractor. I hope the council takes the time to know what, exactly, they are voting on.

  • 7 Anonymous // Jun 19, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Hal was asked the first meeting a couple of weeks ago where the traffic studies were,Bondi and Hal both agreed the studies were done.So where are they Hal?

  • 8 MGeake // Jun 19, 2008 at 9:45 am

    Mike Ferro said at last week’s Common Council meeting that City Carting had aready done the Phase 1, 2, and 3 environmental reports. So where are they?

  • 9 nwlknative // Jun 19, 2008 at 11:15 am

    I don’t know if the traffic studies were done or not, but this week there have been the traffic counting “hoses” in the road on Meadow, South Main, Water. Perhaps they are just being sure of the “count?”.

  • 10 Anonymous // Jun 19, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Maybe they simply waited for school to get out the traffic is a joke on Meadow st.It becomes impassable when it rains.

    Will any of the reports Mike show the way they wash out dumsters on the same lot late at night under no supervision into Village creek. Cars that sit on Lajoies trucks leaking oils into the ground overnight? Many other voilations seen on any given day in tht area will any reports detail that daily occurance?

  • 11 MGeake // Jun 19, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    #10: I work in New Jersey, so I don’t get to see the day-to-day operations. If you are seeing the violations, are you filing complaints?

  • 12 Anonymous // Jun 19, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    there were pictures on the blog but it was lajoies creating the voilations and continue to this day.But if you make a deal with the city to ake money off the city you can do whatever you want.Just ask any tow truck company.

    not your fault Mike other departments have given Meadow street a blank stare and they know who they are.

  • 13 turfgrrl // Jun 19, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    MGeake: Phase 1-3 remediation reports would be between the property owner and CT DEP. The City of Norwalk would not be involved with that.
  • 14 Anonymous // Jun 19, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    The license to operate a transfer station,is that department privy to remediation reports?

    I thought those reports were after something was found like the one on Woodward ave that abuts Lajoies

    Hunting from the knoll gets interesting when your talking environmental stuff in Norwalk.The elected and appointed officials are for the most part lost.The ones that are not lost knows what happens if anything is found and what happens to plans budgets and deals cut behind closed doors.

    Mike there are companies who go at clean our dumpsters with high pressure blasters on a daily basis on the lots in question on Meadow st.

    Its ok Mike Norwalk needs to wake up and think about its brownfeilds and its contaminated sites.

    Now the real estate and Tripple AAA people come out of nowwhere to defend Norwalk and its actions.

    To hear Hal say we need to go through 5 permits before the station can open and more for a baylor where has everyone been all this time? Of course there is a deadline the Mayor and his henchmen and ladies made one.

  • 15 MGeake // Jun 19, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    TG: I absolutely disagree. If the city is going to “take possession” of the property by leasing it, then we have an obligation to know what we are getting (and what we may be held liable for).

  • 16 turfgrrl // Jun 20, 2008 at 5:23 am

    MGeake: Better brush up on laws and regulations Mike, leasees are not part of the “Transfer Act.”
    http://www.abanet.org/environ/committees/envtab/newsletter/july01/bellatoni.shtml

    There’s a lot of false information that is bandied about about environmental issues in this town, I strongly suggest that you seek a licensed environmental engineer to help you understand the issues. Or talk to the DEP staff in charge of the remediation.

  • 17 Anon has limits to ability to remain secret // Jun 20, 2008 at 6:08 am

    I might be mistaken but I think going “anonymous” has its limits.

    If, for example, one makes a libelous comment under a pseudoname, the record of that comment could still be traced by the legal system to the original poster’s computer via the IP address.

    So political flunkies or even the out of control “town chairs” who think they are “hiding” or that no one realizes who is making scurrilous comments, are, perhaps, kidding themselves.

  • 18 MGeake // Jun 20, 2008 at 7:15 am

    TG: The last time I asked for an environmental engineer, the mayor and his corporation counsel decided we didn’t need one.

    And as for our not being “a party” to the “Transfer Act”, who cares. Before the city takes possession of property with a dubious environmental past, it must determine the condition of that property. It won’t take much of a legal eagle to go after the city’s “deep pockets” if a worker, neighbor, … is adversely affected by toxins on that property. Or don’t all the people complaining about their property taxes care if we get hit with a large judgement.

  • 19 TILII on CASH FOR GAS // Jun 20, 2008 at 8:35 am

    I see everyone is getting ready for payment of gas with CASH instead of CREDIT. This may well be a good idea for some, but think about it. Many credit card companies give you a 3 to 5% discount on gas when the card is used. Second that average automobile has between a 12 to 20 gallon tank, this means you have to always have at lest $100 cash in your wallet or purse to be sure you can cover at least one fill up. This is not new, there are gas stations that have been charging the same for gas cash or credit, one is in East Norwalk and their prices are still competive. I am just explaining that people will now have to start to carry larger amounts of cash, which will not go unnoticed by criminals. The next crime wave will be to hold up folks who are fueling up at the gas pump because the crook knows they will have extra cash on them. I think this will lead to most drivers no longer FILLING UP, but just putting in $15 or $20 at a time.

    What are your thoughts?

    TILII

  • 20 turfgrrl // Jun 20, 2008 at 8:57 am

    Mgeake: The last time I needed to check on the status of an environmental remediation, I picked up the phone and called the DEP. See, I come from the school of “getting things done” rather than school of “soap box politics.” :)
  • 21 legal beagle // Jun 20, 2008 at 9:14 am

    back to my original post…that’s “statute that’s protecting the house” not “statue”. Though I must admit that the typo fits in with TG’s theme…

  • 22 MGeake // Jun 20, 2008 at 9:19 am

    Ah, but TG, I work for a living; I’m not full-time staff to either the Department of Public Works or to City Carting. If they want my support for this project (which greatly benefits City Carting financially, by the way), they can damn well get the information we require to make an informed decision!

  • 23 turfgrrl // Jun 20, 2008 at 11:39 am

    MGeake: Seems like it benefits the City of Norwalk greatly. But my point, which you keep dodging, is that for months the public works committee could have asked for any report or information, and could have in turn passed that info to the full council commission. Yet, oddly, only now its an issue? Don’t you guys talk about what is going in other committees when you’re in caucus? I’m truly baffled here. This item apparently has been on the Public Works committee all year, and no one asked for any reports? So now all you council flunkies want to hold public hearings to get more information? After months of silence? I’m properly outraged!
  • 24 Anonymous // Jun 20, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Its odd how anyone could think the DEP of Ct would have all answers,The EPA Mr Ramos is still waiting years on paperwork from Oyster park from DEP.The DEP is waiting on paperwork from the city.Seperate issue but shows what Norwalk is all about.

    The city is full of mistakes made on brownfields and sites of interest becasue we lack anyone in the city qualified to speak on certain subjects and it shows.

    What about 1 860 424 3366 thats the DEP as well along with thousands of other numbers that may hold information yet very little can be done if there is no data if the city has not generated the proper paperwork,conveniant on this issue isn’t it?

    Maybe its time Norwalk stop depending on overworked overbooked DEP and provide some numbers themselves like other cities and towns,ah yes spend some money for the truth would show our city someone cares.

    While someone is at it what about the hazardous waste site on Woodward? Its shows the land owners have stopped the plume from going into village creek yet no one has cleaned it up over a span of many years. Its only been contained and the matter should of been addressed when zoning let others build next door this year.

    Politics is not an issue its the good ole boys of Norwalk ignoring health and safety of its residents to push development.

    Wouldn’t it be a hoot to stop the bridge on cresent st if pollution was found coming from Oyster park?

    Whats sad is this has been like this for a while,depending on outside help when the city should have its own department working with the environment.We have certainly enough business with brownfeilds,transformers and toxic releases in the city to have our own resource.Grants have been given out and other cities have used the money wisely my check with the state tells me Norwalk has never applied maybe its time.Grants we did get was not for the city it was for the developers instead.

    Its a shame we are turning our limited resouces away from sites that need to be addressed.Its the game of red herrings keep busy with one problem while the rest are forgotten about,it saves money and puts others at risk doesn’t it?

    Its odd how old school works in Norwalk but not in Stamford or any other city or town not wanting the transfer station and its traffic and pollution.

    I just find it odd how everyone doing the closed door antics knew that there would be a delay in getting permits 5 one said in the matter of weeks before the contract expires,yet knew for two years this would be the case.

    The baylor takes one permit in itself where can one go to observe a baylor being used?

    I could call the DEP for that info but what says its the baylor Norwalk wants.Yes someone is leaving a trail it will be nice to see where the trail ends.

    Two years and only one candidate to do rubbish out of how many qualified businesses? Sounds like there is no money in trash does it?

  • 25 Anonymous // Jun 20, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Hal shows up with a contract one night expecting to have it passed.Fred was outraged when 1 question was asked.Bill did ask if it was the draft.Hal said no its waiting to be signed.Where was the heads up there?

    I think if some attended that one meeting they wouldn’t ask where everyones been,they have been kept out of the loop for a reason this was a top secret deal made behind closed doors and Fred was the gatekeeper it seems.

    Only could this happen in Norwalk and what is going on in the part of the city is disgusting.Let the undeducated be convinced the transfer station is a geat idea there without first looking to see what it is those people are getting.

    So far from that first meeting I have yet to see the facts repeated by news or Hal so what was that a dry run to see how stupid the rest of the city is?

    I truly hope some are not counting on how stupid South Norwalk is,we do have our problems but we are not stupid.

  • 26 MGeake // Jun 20, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    TG, you can be outraged all you want. Being on five committees, including one as chair, plus two caucus meetings and two Council meetings per month, is more than enough work for me. I don’t feel compelled to babysit committees I am not on. If have to trust them to police their own responsibilities and vote against anything that hasn’t been

    Should this have been sent to the full council? No. Will I, if given the opportunity, move to refer this right back to the committee? Absolutely — that’s what I had planned on doing last meeting, but the mayor called on Councilman Hempstead first.

  • 27 Anonymous // Jun 20, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Hey Mike they are doing a traffic survey today,the one used for Rowyaton trucks doesn’t give the numbers they want.So doing it now the way they have it set up it misses the school busses and all those who take a left out of fed express ect . School Busses about 200 of them a day coming and going on Meadow st.

    Leave it to Norwalks planning and powers to be to do a survey after school gets out.Hal was asked by Hempstead about the traffic survey and without looking anyone in the eys said it was done.This was weeks ago.Why do we see another survey once the traffic has become less until the end of June.Then the new construction will close even more roads,so beware Rowyaton you can’t stop the cars with trailors coming from Stamford can you?

    Your Mr Conroy didn’t seem that bent on increased traffic as well, so hopefully you get what you deserve traffic like you have never seen.

    You see there is a smoking gun yet no one wants to hold it.

    While I’m at it on half ass elected officials stunts Mayor Moccia is reported to have been calling homes on the automated system leaving cryptic message in garble for the city taxpayers to hear.Rowyaton got the calls this morning ,anyone have any idea what the message was?

    Leave it to Dick to buy into these things it makes him look like more of a fool over a phone call that simply said Hi this is Mayor Moccia and then interuptions on the message making it impossible to follow.Hope we are not paying for this crap.

  • 28 Anonymous // Jun 20, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    if you want DEP information on particular sites you google Elm St and drive there in Hartford.The DEP will bring you to the basement and let you look for what you want.They don’t have dail up service as I understand they do take walk ins at the DEP monday thru friday.

    The site on Woodward ave that is alarming its online for anyone one board member to pull up but then you need someone who understands it to translate it back to the officials its obvious someone missed that online report.Most EPA files are now online which overides most local DEP reports because they lack resources to come to Norwalk and do our job.

    So whos responsibility is it to find this stuff? We don’t have a whole office and staff for city councilors and whoever gives out building permits and oversees any construction should already know these reports are online when granting permits ect. that effects abutting land.

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