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LA Confidential: Crime Stat Sparring & Speeding in Norwalk


by turfgrrl


June 13th, 2008 · 25 Comments

Before we launch into the very interesting conversation about crime in LA, we report on Norwalk Slow Down Days. With all the construction going on, I alas, have not been able to zip through town with my usual alacrity, so I’m somewhat bemused that we are focusing on slowing down, but in the spirit of enforcing the laws we have, I bring you:

Slow Down Days
June 15 - 21, 2008

And as I scanned the press release, I noticed zero tolerance. Zoinks, the Mystery Machine will have to behave. So be careful or b2. The release:

With the summer driving season starting this weekend Norwalk Mayor Richard A. Moccia and Police Chief Harry W. Rilling have announced “Slow Down Days”, a traffic enforcement program with an emphasis on promoting public safety and reducing the motor vehicle accident rate. Motorists are also reminded to be conscious of their speed as children are being dismissed for summer from area schools.

Starting on Sunday June 15th and running until Saturday June 21st additional officers in marked cars equipped with radar units will be deployed throughout the city to increase public awareness. Officers will focus their attention on speeding, as well as red light, stop sign and cell phone violations. Vehicles with tinted windows and loud exhaust systems in violation of state law with also addressed.

In addition, a DUI / Sobriety Checkpoint is planned for Saturday evening, June 21st from 7 p.m. to 3 a.m. on West Avenue near Reed Street. This DUI / Sobriety Checkpoint is part of the Comprehensive DUI Enforcement Program sponsored by the State of Connecticut Department of Transportation.

Travel at safe and reasonable speeds on streets and highways promote the city’s productivity and motor vehicle related safety. Speeding– exceeding posted limits or driving too fast for conditions—involves many factors including public attitudes, personal behavior, vehicle performance, roadway characteristics, enforcement strategies, and speed zoning. Nevertheless, speeding on the nation’s roadways is a contributing factor in as many as one third of all fatal crashes. Fatal crashes are only a small part of the total safety picture. In addition, many people are injured in speed-related crashes. The economic cost to the American society of these crashes was estimated to be $ 250 billion per year in 2007.

Speeding is a significant threat to public safety and warrants priority attention. The Norwalk Police Department will undertake a zero-tolerance enforcement operation during Norwalk’s “Slow-Down Days” observed June 15th thru June 21st. Chief Harry W. Rilling has directed police commanders to increase enforcement of speeding violations through the use of radar surveillance. Radar equipped patrol cars will be assigned to various areas of Norwalk during hours when speeding violations are most likely to occur. There will be increased speed enforcement activities conducted 24 hours a day, aside from the routine motor vehicle violations regularly cited by patrol officers.

Okay, now onto the LA Times. Relevant graf:

It’s important that people be well informed when they are forming their opinions about crime in the city,” Beck said. “What we don’t want to happen is for them to draw conclusions that then become the reality.”

Well we can certainly apply that all around here in good olde Norwalk now can’t we. People should be informed. I hope we get information out there, but sometimes it seems that facts are in short supply. So we look to other cities facing similar issues for context:

Los Angeles’ two top lawmen are increasingly at odds over the extent to which gang violence is being fueled by racial hatred.

Police Chief William J. Bratton and his top deputies have long cautioned that race-motivated violence remains fairly rare and that gang feuds over turf and drugs are the leading causes of such violence.

But over the last few months, Sheriff Lee Baca has publicly voiced a more ominous view of violence between Latino and black gangs. This week, he went further than ever, saying in a Los Angeles Times opinion piece that “some of L.A.’s so-called gangs are really no more than loose-knit bands of blacks or Latinos roaming the streets looking for people of the other color to shoot.”

Baca’s comments have prompted debate in law enforcement circles — with some Los Angeles Police Department officials questioning some of his assertions.

“The sheriff is saying we need to examine this issue in the light of day to keep it from spreading because we won’t be able to address or reverse it, if we deny it,” said civil rights attorney Connie Rice. “Chief Bratton is saying something equally valid, which is if you overemphasize race, you may be pouring jet fuel on the fire.”

Baca, in an interview Thursday, said he was speaking out because he considers racial animus among various gangs a serious problem that is not being discussed enough. He acknowledged that the Sheriff’s Department doesn’t have statistics showing a major rise in race-related violence but believes it is a growing problem. Baca this week announced that his department would create a Gang Emergency Operations Center to better deal with such violence.

“We need to talk about this in a more public way,” Baca said, adding he had heard about the tension from community activists, beat cops, gang intervention officers and deputies who guard the county’s jails. “It’s a small percentage but a significant percentage.”

But LAPD Deputy Chief Charlie Beck said he disagreed with Baca’s conclusions about race and gang violence.

Beck, who heads the department’s anti-gang efforts and homicide detectives, said race is a major factor in the violence in county and state prisons, and is a problem on school campuses. But, he said, Baca was wrong to say that those factors are at play with gangs on the streets.

“His reality is largely formed by what is happening in the jails,” Beck said. “But I think you have to look at violence on several different levels. . . . In the world of serious gang crime in the city — which accounts for the vast majority of gang activity in the county — race is not the primary factor. Are there isolated instances? Yes. But are gang members commonly going around to kill and harm people because they are another race? Absolutely not.”

A Times examination of slayings in 2007 largely backed Bratton’s assertion about the racial factor in gang killings. The Times analyzed the circumstances of 562 Latino and black homicides from 2007 in which the race of the suspects was known, including all LAPD and sheriff’s cases, plus those of smaller police agencies such as Long Beach and Inglewood. The analysis found that nearly 90% of both black and Latino homicide victims had been killed by suspects of their own race.

The issue has been particularly sensitive for Bratton and his command staff in recent months.

So a crime post just in time for slow down days. Keep the crime in the posts and off the streets.

source: LA TIMES, Bratton and Baca disagree on role of race in gang violence , By Andrew Blankstein and Joel Rubin, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers , June 13, 2008

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25 Responses so far “LA Confidential: Crime Stat Sparring & Speeding in Norwalk”



  • 1 Anonymous // Jun 13, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    why use Bills thoughts use the stabbing today once the story comes out of what happened in Norwalk.Its all the time hispanic on black hispanic on hispanics.Wonder who the Norwalk police is looking for today?

    Its funny we are always hearing about Dick and Harry and Bill Bratton but what to look for in Norwalk when trouble is at your door.Where are helpful suggestions we as a city can look for while living in battle zone called South Norwalk.

    White TEE shirts are now what some gang is flying for colors in Norwalk, do we have any educated Norwalkers who know their own streets can tell me what complex sports that look now?

    We wait long enough and maybe we can get Bill to come here he does enjoy a challenge,besides he could write another book on our police and city hall antics in combating crime and now speeding.

    So what can we expect a safer weekend and the first stabbing of the day in Norwalk was isolated?

  • 2 Anonymous // Jun 13, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Crime stats for Rowyaton were not included in the package given to the press.

    The police dept has now created a news blackout of whats going on in the city.I can only suggest to those who think they have been told the truth about crime stats in Norwalk to wait and see what transpires the next couple of weeks.

    It was one thing to have a police officer send the dept into a tailspin but now we have legit arrests,case numbers and hospital and ambulance records showing the police dept has simply become above the law.

    The crime unreported or distorted in police reports has become obvious,Harry doesn’t realize residents are not listig to the BS any more.

    Yes big crime busting intiative now that we have next years budget rolling in the end of this month with fresh funds to steel,push around and distort for another year.City hall is running out of gullible people.

  • 3 Anonymous // Jun 13, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    #2 I agree with you that there is a news blackout in Norwalk, especially about crime and all things really happening. Last month there was some kind of gang or a teen disturbance happening on my block. I was on the phone on a Friday night when it sounded like a riot was going on outside my window. I couldn’t hear the person I was trying to talk to, so I went upstairs to look out the window.

    Someone on this blog said there are only 8 police cars on duty during a shift. Well there were 7 plus an undercover car on the block that night, and kids all over the streets and sidewalks. Not a thing in the paper or police blotter afterwards about it. My neighbor told me a couple of days later that it was a house party and the police were afraid of another happening like what happened ealier this year where that boy was murdered at the McDonalds.

    I don’t live in S. Norwalk, either where I won’t go at night. I don’t feel safe with the crime going on here or confidant about the people in charge of things either!

  • 4 Anonymous // Jun 13, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    no we have plenty of cruisers on the streets right now they are flooding the streets its a joke.You figure the arrests would increase as well.There is a growing problem among the ranks on the police dept this and other facts will surfice soon ,but first lets hear from others who feel safe on the streets in Norwalk.Lets hear what a great job Harry is doing leading the way for Dicks pr machine to ensure all who look at Norwalk see it as a fun place to get mugged or have evrything you own stolen in a NY minute.I hear they are looking formexicans for rash of trouble something that isn’t a good thing to hear if your visting the city.

    That art walk, there should be a stay out of these parts walk for the city as it stands.

  • 5 Barnstorm // Jun 13, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    How do the police plan on enforcing the cell phone policy when they are the worst offenders themselves?

    I know…confiscate a bunch of cell phones and grind them up into speed bumps. Two problems solved!

  • 6 Anonymous // Jun 13, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    A slow down, what a crock! I’m with you, Turfgirl. You can’t even go the speed limit around here without losing your exhaust system! Maybe the slowdown is to divert everyone’s attention from seeing the police doing nothing but talking on their cell phones at all the constuction sites.

    I just got my car back from being fixed because of all of these steel plates in town (exactly what my mechanic said was the problem) plus the potholes! This was after having both of my CV joints replaced in the last 6 months because of the potholes here.

    My friend had his collar on his catalytic converter replaced and welded because of the steel plates everywhere in town and 2 weeks later he had to get it done again! His mechanic showed him the marks on the collar from the steel plates kicking back and damaging his exhaust system.

    We are seniors and safe drivers, NOT speeders…but like I said, who can even go the speed limit in town with all the (de)construction going on?

  • 7 FORGEDABOUTIT // Jun 13, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Norwalks answer to traffic control.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jun 13, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    I think what just transpired in Norwalk is a very good reason anyone thinks crime is going down should have their heads looked at.
    I said in post number one you won’t have to wait long enough to ponder our own stabbings and shootings in Norwalk the city has delivered.

  • 9 Anon4 // Jun 14, 2008 at 7:53 am

    It’s true - if anyone can actually get going fast enough in this town right now to GET a speeding ticket - more power to them!
    #6 - I had to have my front tie rods replaced back in the fall. $800. Maybe all the people who have incurred damages as a result of the road conditions should form a group, similar to the old Taxpayers League, and deduct our repair costs from what we owe the city/state.

  • 10 Anonymous // Jun 14, 2008 at 11:07 am

    multiple shootings in Norwalk last night people actually shot plus a stabbing and the blog is interested in what? Woodward and Grove is where the stabbing and shootings took place within hours anyone care to comment on the isolated crime we are experiencing?

    Curtis Silwa spoke about Bill Btattons ways of policing when he came to the city they both met in 1981 and have mutually respect for each other over the years.

    Norwalk is losing respect and the prospect of being a destination for anyone tourists or not.

    Its a probable, speeding tickets are given to those trying to flee Norwalk.

  • 11 Anonymous // Jun 14, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Police investigating South Norwak murder
    The Advocate John Nickerson knows how to report the news its online.

  • 12 just observing // Jun 14, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Had the underpan ripped off my car, a flat tire, a punctured tire and dented rim and that was just driving around Norwalk.

    We probably need to start looking at the things that are really important like shootings and stabbings before we worry about slow down days. The article in the Hour was interesting in the fact that a comment by the victim was, and I quote “They killed my friend, and they stabbed me.” Is it just me or was the next comment a bit weird? “does not believe there is a second victim”
    Anyone want to guess who the victim was talking about? Well Those who were seen running away wore colors and the victim apparently was 19 yrs old does anyone think he was talking about his friend that was murdered in January? Its just a guess but retaliation doesn’t come immediately but when things have died down and no one is paying attention. This in n o way means the cops aren’t on it but I found it interesting and thought I’d share.

  • 13 MAYOR GET YOUR HEAD OF OF ****** // Jun 15, 2008 at 9:03 am

    HELLO, HELLO, MR. MAYOR ARE YOU THERE? HELLO HELLO ANYONE HOME? Looks like the lights are on but nobody is home I guess, at least in the Mayor and the NPD Chiefs office.

    Our mayor in his infinite wisdom has decided that HE and HE alone is the master of our destiny. The chief of the NPD not wanting to remove his head from the same area of their anatomy as the mayor’s has blasted Mike Geake on his effort to bring the Guardian Angles to Norwalk. WELL, WELL last night another murder on our streets. A young man was stabbed to death after what appeared to be a shootout. The facts are still not clear. The body was found with a gun in his hand or at his side, after a police officer heard shots fired. (SPOTSHOTTER WOULD HAVE ALSO LET US KNOW WHERE THIS KNIFING BODY WAS FOUND, AIN’T THAT GREAT?) This mayor had better start to listen to his councilmen when they think for themselves. His popularity is tanking daily with every crime on our streets. Soon even the Guardian Angles will not be able to help us; we will need the National Guard. Mike Geake has had more nerve than any councilman including Fred Bondi, to oppose the mayor when he thinks his opposition will benefit the people of Norwalk.

    Mr. Mayor, it’s time to stop modeling for photo ops, and take a reality check. Maybe you should dress up with some old clothes with a $20 bill sticking out of your shirt pocket and stroll down a few streets in Norwalk, on a Saturday night about 1 AM, and see how safe WE FEEL.

    TELLI (Tell it like it is) Your light of truth in the blackness of Norwalk politics.

  • 14 Anonymous // Jun 15, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Moccia thinks the democrats are picking on him,its a conspiracy.This is what everyone has been saying all along get your fingers out of your ass and become mayor for at least what time you have left.

    Why and the hell is the police dept still protecting Rilings and Moccia?

    Wtnh and Nbc39 have been trying to get confirmation on the shooting at meadow gardens right after they found the kid stabbed at Burritt.What the hell Dick we were all there in the streets we heard we saw we want the city to know what happened sat night. Did The Hour ask if there were any other crimes that night.

    Chet your friend is in trouble and so insn’t the Hour.

    Bullshit we have had it.Im sure the republicans that live in South Norwalk are not amuzed by your actions and your shifty way you have run the city up till now.

    Death in South Norwalk,trash transfer station lacking all the facts from the first meeting,Developers crying foul, taxis can’t park where they are needed all of Norwalk problems buried until when?

    Its the democrats pissing and moaning about the quality of life.

    I’m so glad I sent out Emailings with Dickie at the photo op at the very same place where the train station is expanding whos making the money Dick?

    Yes here is one pissed off republican that would of voted fopr the DR if I knew this was going to happen to our city.

    We were and have been and still are lied to from our police dept spokespersons,the cops have had it,reidents have had it,the hospital have had it its become what the bronx was 25 years ago.

    Forget tourism its gone no civilized news reading,tv watching person from Ct needs to come here unless they want drugs are coming to Norwalk for anything.

    Maybe we should start runing a special and add ammo to the incentive the stuff is getting expensive.

    It also looks like all of his die hard supporters who want development understands with who we have at the helm they are doomed as well.

    STREET JUSTICE for all!

  • 15 old timer // Jun 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    That stabbing is now a murder, the victim died. He was George Vontrell, former Norwalk resident, recently moved to Bpt., and a cousin of Thounsa Addison, who was shot and killed on Cross St in Jan. 2005.
    He apparently had a gun and used it, but he is dead and his attackers escaped. Makes me wonder what he was doing, that he needed a gun and somebody wanted him dead. Hope he told police who stabbed him.

  • 16 Anonymous // Jun 15, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    You need a friggin gun if you lived here.I was privy to all the crap that just happened.Keystone cops is all I can say their leadership sucks the sargents are all thinking they can be chief someday.

    We need a study done and overhaul the entire poice dept.We need commissioners not relative bound on the force and former cops who knew the streets back then and know them now.This is now starting to gain the attention of Hartford nws and where not to take your family because of the crime.The Norwalk police dept has taken a hard stand against the news reporters in our city but outsiders are taking it personal when the police dept refuses to talk to other media’s.Their reports are not getting any input from the city making us look even worse.No mayor no chiff no dep chiefs no spokespersons returning calls ect we are looking like idiots and if your looking to go somewhere sat and read and see this on tv you suppose Norwalk will be your Sunday destination?

    100 miles north to Mystic sounds better even with gas prices.Wake up Norwalk!

    Big bar brawl at the Black Bear leaves victims at the Norwalk Hospital ,you read it on the blog first

  • 17 Anonymous // Jun 15, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    As is to be expected, The Hour completely messed up the victim’s name. It’s not George Vontrell.

  • 18 Anonymous // Jun 15, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Who is it then?

  • 19 Anonymous // Jun 16, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Read today’s Advocate.

  • 20 Anonymous // Jun 16, 2008 at 11:38 am

    why read the Hour it has no news that effects us poor bastards living day to day in Norwalk.Chets on Moccia’s payroll.Nothing about the shooting at the Meadow st housing complex.Why is that? I thought there were two victims in South Norwalk stabbing and shooting?What do I know I live off of Woodward.

  • 21 NORWALK NAME CHANGE // Jun 16, 2008 at 11:52 am

    HERE are a couple

    Deadwalk, Norwood, Tombwalk, Norstone, Dodgewalk, Abilenewalk to name a few.

    Maybe someone can take out an ad in a travel section;

    Come to Deadwalk, and see the wild west action like it was, dead litter streets.

  • 22 norwalker // Jun 16, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    And change the Norwalk Museum to the Norwalk Masoleum for all the activity that goes on there since the curator has “returned”.

  • 23 anon // Jun 16, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    #14 - don’t know why Moccia thinks dems are picking on him or why he would think it matters now that he has an effective majority on the council through Bondi. The Republicans are in complete control.

  • 24 Anonymous // Jun 16, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    we are use to murders in Norwalk.I guess its time to hear how most bank jobs from last year had been solved.Solved by other enforcment agencies of course.

    We are what one more cop down?

  • 25 old-timer // Jun 17, 2008 at 10:25 am

    The Hour has corrected the name of the murder victim. Now they are calling him Vontrell George. They are also reporting he was a convicted drug dealer, with gang affiliations. That may explain why he carried a gun and why somebody wanted him dead.
    He was part of somebody’s family and way too young to die. We have to feel for the family and hope he was able to tell the police who stabbed him.

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