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You Get The Government You Vote For


by turfgrrl


June 10th, 2008 · 52 Comments

It’s a simple thing really to understand. The Common Council is the legislative body of Norwalk’s government. Like any legislative body, they vote to authorize legislation and they also vote to authorize expenditures. So naturally, it should come as no surprise that a committee of the Common Council can’t do anything but move recommendations and actions onto the full Council for authorization. From the Advocate:

Two opinions from City Attorney Robert Maslan state that Common Council member Mike Geake’s committee overstepped its role in asking Health Director Tim Callahan to fund an environmental consultant to study a contaminated Platt Street property in East Norwalk.

At its meeting last month, the council’s Health, Welfare and Public Safety Committee approved an appropriation of less than $15,000 to hire a consultant.

The parcel at 23 Platt St., has been at the center of debate over the city’s role in oversight of environmental cleanup. Callahan and Finance Director Tom Hamilton had requested a legal opinion on the issue.

“Common Council Committees have no authority to act on their own in any matter, and do not have authority to issue directives to City departments and department heads. All findings and reports of Common Council committees are subject to final action by the Common Council,” Maslan wrote, citing previous city attorney opinions.

If the committee wanted funds authorized for a study, its members should have first submitted the issue to the full council as an item for discussion, Maslan said.

Geake was not available for comment last night.

Not only are committees unable to direct funds, the city isn’t responsible for environmental contamination and remediation issues, Maslan said in another opinion that left those responsibilities to the state.

“The legislature has determined that (the state Department of Environmental Protection), and not municipalities, shall be responsible for regulating environmental contamination and remediation,” Maslan wrote.
He said state law gives the DEP commissioner authority to delegate inspections and enforcement over several areas to the local level, but environmental contamination and remediation are not among them.

The Platt Street parcel, current site of the Oyster Bend Marina and Condominiums, was a chemical dumping ground in the 1960s and 70s before hazardous waste laws existed, said League of Women Voters president Diane Lauricella, who works as an environmental consultant.

Based on the review of a state-approved consultant, the property’s owner is applying for a hazardous waste variance that would allow it to seal buried drums and monitor the site over a period of 30 years.

Meanwhile, Norwalk continues its peculiar fascination with ignoring subject matter experts, you know people who have degrees and certification in specialized fields,  in favor of people who don’t. When it comes to environmental issues, Connecticut has one of the best records in the country. So you would think that the CT DEP might actually know what they are doing.

source: Advocate, Attorney: Committee overstepped authority, By Alexandra Fenwick, 06/10/2008

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  • 1 Anonymous // Jun 10, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Sounds like more bad legal opinions from the Law Dept. What ever happened to our “Strong Council, Weak mayor” form of government? Looks like the Council is getting kicked to the curb by the Mayor and his annointed Corporation Counsel.

  • 2 Anonymous // Jun 10, 2008 at 10:05 am

    This is ridiculous. Why didn’t Geake’s committee simply contact the CT DEP about the Platt Street problem? Was the committee influenced by another one of Diane’s paranoia-mongering self-important rants? If so, that’s pretty pathetic.

  • 3 Everyone is on to Diane Lauricella // Jun 10, 2008 at 10:11 am

    She is a fake. The League this, the League that. She is not speaking on behalf of the League and should be reported and removed. With her environmental experience, if she was anything how come she is not employed in the field for the past decade. It is all a sham and one who listens to her is a fool themself.

  • 4 MGeake // Jun 10, 2008 at 10:18 am

    The DEP was contacted and is holding a “public information session” on June 30th. The problem is, without expert analysis of the information supplied by the developer — which, by definition, will be biased — the city has absolutely no way to participate in this hearing.

    As for just letting the DEP handle this, remember that this is an overworked and understaffed state agency, so the best it will be able to do is accept and review material and commentary. And in this case, it will only hear from the developer. Apparently, just as the mayor and his department heads would like.

    But if it doesn’t bother you that there are circa World War II chemical drums poised to leak into the river and then into the sound …

    BTW The committee was contacted by neighborhood residents.

  • 5 Anonymous // Jun 10, 2008 at 10:53 am

    It’s a good thing that the DEP will hold a public information session to quell the fears you folks are stoking. The DEP is the public’s advocate in this matter and they have a lot more money, time, expertise and staff than Norwalk’s government in overseeing remediation. MGeake, what do you mean the mayor and his department heads want only to hear from the developer? Who’s your expert and what’s your problem with the CT DEP? It’s no leap to deduce that Diane’s behind the neighborhood residents contacting the committee.

  • 6 BS ABOUNDS AT CITY HALL // Jun 10, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Has Mayor Moccia’s Corporation Counsel EVER found a case where he went against what the MAYOR WANTED TO HAPPEN????????????????????

  • 7 Anonymous // Jun 10, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    What is Geake afraid of? That the full council would disagree with him? Maybe they would, because anything that Diane Lauricella whines about is full of crap. Start acting like a common council rep instead of a mouthpiece for the Democratic crazies.

  • 8 U A Butt Boy // Jun 10, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    #7 You sound like a Moccia “Butt Boy.”

  • 9 MGeake // Jun 10, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    I don’t understand the comment #7.

    The committee voted to request a supplemental appropriation to hire a consultant to review the body of environmental information regarding the 23 Platt Street proposal. We did this because the Health Director indicated that his department lacked the requisite expertise, and with a review of this information, there would be now way for the city to particpate in the public information session. This had nothing to do with enforcing environmental laws, just with investigating a possible health hazard within the city.

    What should of happened next was for the request to go to the Finance Director for inclusion on the BET’s June 2nd agenda. If the BET agreed, and there were funds available to satisfy the request, the item would then have been placed on tonight’s Council agenda.

    What did happen was the Health Director, who is staff to the committee, sat on what we had passed, then he went to the mayor, who had the corporation council issue what I consider to be a political decision — last Thursday — only remotely related to the issue at hand. The ensuing delay makes it impossible to challenge this questionable decision in time to actually have a consultant do what is needed before the June 30th hearing.

    So what am I afraid of??? Nothing. I requested that the request follow the proper course. The Health Director, Mayor, and the Corporation Council are the ones who improperly blocked that.

    What are they afraid of???

  • 10 You Go Mike! // Jun 10, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Thanks for clarifying the situation, Mike. Any reasonable citizen in Norwalk should be concerned about 50 plus year old drums of toxic chemicals being stored within the city. Sounds like the Health Director has some agenda or issues that aren’t about the best interest of Norwalk citizens…

    Probably just need to follow the money trail to find the answer…

  • 11 diane lauricella // Jun 10, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    First of all, in answer to comments numbered 2 and 3, I continue to think that those who post slurs about others without being decent enuf to state their name are the most “pathetic” and “fake” people around.

    It would improve the “street cred” of this blog if its host would have all sign their own names… and not censor comments about the problems associated with land use and zoning matters.

    The LWV has a mission to help assure that the public has the time and ability to obtain the facts about issues up for review and decision., and it is the League President’s job to educate the public about that mission. We have studied various aspects about waste management and recycling for over twenty years on a national, state and local level and have lots of study and educational information about many of the issues associated with the process of letting the public, including the city council, have the time to understand what the issues really are related to the Platt St. case.

    As to the personal attacks against me, I have over ten years’-worth of private clients that can vouch for my expertise. I recall that the blog host stated that she does not let personal attacks enter this domain, so I ask that she upholds her stated intent.

  • 12 ATTN MGEAKE & DIANE // Jun 10, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Whenever this administration comes up against someone, be they on the council or otherwise, who has a mind of their own and the courage to speak it, the only thing that they can do is to call those people names. This is the MO of a group of lackeys and butt boys, be they Republican or DEMOCRATS, who are brown nosing for brownie points. This is a sign of a weak mind with no individual thought. They are like ants that follow the smell of the lead ant like drones. They forgot one thing and that is that you better remember which side of the wall on that glass house you are standing IN before you THROW THAT STONE.

    Name calling and personal attacks are their response to courage, truth, and brains.

    IGNORANCE IS THEIR GOD.

    We all know who they are, and those that don’t know them will soon find out.

  • 13 Anonymous // Jun 10, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Look #12, I don’t know anything about MGEAKE but lots of people wince when Diane approaches a podium. You would think by now she would have asked herself why, or maybe she sees herself as an environmental crusader who stands alone against all the forces of evil bent on polluting our air, water and earth for their own money glomming ends.

  • 14 Remediation // Jun 10, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Why doesn’t Diane post her educational qualifications or her state environmental certifications?

  • 15 Anonymous // Jun 10, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    What meeting did the LWV hold to vote on pursuing this issue?

  • 16 turfgrrl // Jun 10, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    diane lauricella: So let me get this straight. You view comments numbers 2 & 3 as personal attacks? Yet in the same graf accuse me of censoring land use and zoning comments. Ha! I rarely take down anyone’s comments, and as a rule I ask people not to attack each other. You however, are part of the story, and whether your issue is indeed manufactured or relevant is up to the court of public opinion, or as you state it– “street cred.”
  • 17 turfgrrl // Jun 10, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    MGeake: Apparently you need to recheck school house rock, because your vote to request a supplemental appropriation should have gone to the full council. If the full council had agreed it would then got to the BET and then back to the full council. This is how ever other special appropriation does through process.
  • 18 Anonymous // Jun 10, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    should of seen Nick the man get upset when something was asked about platt st he went into a rage in front of the gaurdian angels on the platt st deal.With that one outburst Curtis knew who to sit beside when asked to join the committee.The one who thinks slamming his hand down and defending the mayor on an environmental issue will make it go away.That was by far a good show showed the gaurdian angels what other war we are fighting in Norwalk ignorant moves by elected officials.

    So everyone thinks its ok for the city to what put an easement through someones property and years later follow the crushed stone around the cities drainage pipe down to the harbour and call it a mistake?

    I think what we are looking for is some reasonable assurances the place will be safe for others.

    Its amazing how everyone was happy while the council seemed to spin their wheels in the beginning now that the gloves are off lets pick on accuse and belittle anyone with an idea thatw e should do the right thing.

    Its going to cost money and we havn’t got it and we havn’t even heard from the police asking for more fuel money like all the cities and towns around what are we waiting for?

    Its funny when someone asked 1 too many questions it turns out to be treason, too bad lets fix things for our kids ad if you don’t have any in line to take over Norwalk move.

    asking for someones credentials simply shows maybe your fight is over before it starts.Next you will asking if she drinks coffee or tea and turn it into a political thing.

    I love this blog while everyone is pissing and moaning and gloating I’m wondering how much money the robber got at gunpoint this morning at the Norwalk credit union.

    We can’t even address crime you really think Norwalk is doing their best on the environment by building green? Give me a break!

  • 19 Anonymous // Jun 10, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    lets see if you can finish the last rant it holds tommorrow’s news headlines :)

  • 20 Anonymouse // Jun 10, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Why is the water in SONO brown?

  • 21 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 1:44 am

    You don’t get the union you vote for when the votes are counted at West Rocks behind closed doors by three individuals without any witnesses.

    http://www.yourct.com/new/2008/06/05/norwalk-teachers-union-vote/

  • 22 Sherlock // Jun 11, 2008 at 7:48 am

    The water turns brown because they do pipe work. It’s clean now.

  • 23 John Frank // Jun 11, 2008 at 9:19 am

    It is too bad we can be so easily distracted by the personalities that speak out on issues here. Whatever Dianne’s credentials are, the facts are clear. 23 platt St was a chemical dumping ground when a barrel processing company was there and DEP was involved when the site was “cleaned up” around 1988 and converted to the present use as Oyster Bend marina with condominium apartments. Now a new owner intends to build condominiums and has discovered the previous “cleanup” left an awful lot behind. There is a lawsuit(FST-CV-04-4002173-S) He hired environmental consultants, who have devised a plan to allow construction to proceed with the contaminants on the site buried, but not removed or cleaned up, if certain rules are waived. Dianne has argued the City has a responsibility under the public health laws to become involved, and to hire expert consultants, to ensure that the toxic contaminants on the property never get into the harbor and into the food chain. The DEP has the legal responsibility to approve, or not, the builder’s proposal. The builder’s consultant makes it clear there are other, better but more expensive, alternatives to their proposal. The cost of their proposal is about 1 million now and 1/2 million, over the next 30 yrs for monitoring. The cost of a complete cleanup is 22 million(their numbers) I don’t know the best way to deal with this and neither does the council. Dianne argues the City should have its own expert consultant look at the data and advise the Health Dept and the Council on the best position for the City to take. The DEP makes the final decision, but the City’s concern, or lack of, will have major effect on that decision. The issue is not Dianne Lauricella, it is public health. DEP has already demonstrated they need all the help they can get in making good decisions in these kind of cases. They made the decisions in 1988, the City did not get involved, nobody kept an eye on the process, and a lot of bad stuff is still on the site.

  • 24 Tall Tales // Jun 11, 2008 at 10:57 am

    I hear through the grape vine that several council people will start to inquire as to statements that Diane Lauricella make under the League of Womens Voter banner come with a paticular blessing on the specific topic from the LWV board. She claimed the League had a particular interest in the refuse proposal. She will be asked for dates of meetings, minutes , votes.
    Also here claims as an enviromentalist will be called into questions as to State certfications and or degress she may or may not have.

    I have been told she worked for CT DEP from 1984 to 1990 when she quit.She does not hold a degree in any area.

  • 25 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 11:07 am

    John Frank, if your premise is that the DEP is not capable of doing the job it is supposed to do then the problem is a lot more than Platt St. But I don’t see evidence that the DEP is incapable of carrying out its responsibilities. The lawsuit looks to be inconsequential as far as the clean up goes; it looks like a case of the seller not fully disclosing to the buyer.

    In the minutes of the health & welfare committee meeting in April, it says Diane asked to be involved in the oversight process. It reads like she’s asking for a job and not once, but twice. This makes me question her motives in getting involved.

  • 26 BITE ME #25 // Jun 11, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Why don’t we check the educational qualifications of the Mayor on down? I take it you have a doctorate in physics? I don’t know Lauricella, but she can not do anywhere as much damage as the Mayor, Fred Bondi and a few of the council. Do they all have even a high school diploma????????

  • 27 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 11:55 am

    #26-Nice name! yes they all have high school diploma’s and many have degrees and these are the people that you and the rest of the voters chose. However, I think the question here is if Ms. lauricella is using her position at the LWV for her own personal gains.

  • 28 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    #24 I think you will find Fred Bond wouldn’t even listen to the members of his own committe and shut up over a misunderstanding Fred created one night.

    so much for the several, Nick of course had his own problem trying to defend the mayor over a piss poor record he had a problem but its more of a self control issues in public I think.He was alright the day I saw him with Dick in Constitution park siting for the Perez tree.

    I guess all your dept heads and board members who have been vocal are the ones who realize start cleaning up the environment and its going to cost. Blow that triple AAA and tout how grants gave us money for sponges so Hal could be a compnay spokesperson for Abtech. Its all shell game isn’t it?

    Remember when the mayor was going to Washington DC to boast about the drain sponges? The facts were uncovered making statements in DC would of been political suicide.While Hal is all over a private web site other cities and airports realize how much money is now involved to keep the project going.back to where we are, clean it up before it gets to the shellfish and recreational ares relying on just one thing is not working.

    I’
    m surprised they havn’t hit pollution by the new bridge underpass they are building, thank god we don’t have legit news outlets who investigate stories Norwalk would be screwed and Donna would be out of a job.Be justice to see that job shut down and pop a hole in a lot of balloons.

    Duff, Perone Mayor ect not knowing what is going on simply taking a photo op next to possible waste site is a joke but normal in a city like Norwalk.

    Didn’t the DPW send guys into the ditches to put pipe through platt st? I wonder if those guys are still alive, but what do we care its only DPW workers.

    You can see what apples are being shaked from the tree, the voters trusted these people to make decisions for us not the mayor now it seems there is more than one sitting in the knoll.

    Its all about money the hell with quality of life we can’t afford it so why consider it.Ask for help while your drowning they will toss you a cement block.

  • 29 U don't get it // Jun 11, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Of course most of our elected officials have schooling but not always in subjects that effect the residents.Be serious go to the meetings and be lost with some of them yet they are trying but some fight outside help. It doesn’t fit into what was discussed behind closed doors.You really don’t get it do you?Some voters have been duped some are just finding that out.Refer to what voters chose maybe they made a mistake and will admit to it.To defend bad decisions on what was done in the past is not the way to correct the future.

    How may companies actually bid on this project?

    Where is the traffic report can’t that be looked at by us other high school grads?

  • 30 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Not defending bad judgement just making an observation. Voters are always so quick to get rid of some and put in new people and i think the old saying goes, “Beware of what you wish for”? or “better the devil you know than the one you don’t” meaning, candidates can talk a good game during the election cycle but it is their performance that gets us in trouble. Why do you think Doug Hempstead and Rick McQuaid get re-elected so often? Its because they take the time to understand and they take the time to care. They don’t go off half cocked on subjects they know nothing about and are willing to admit when they don’t get it.

  • 31 anony // Jun 11, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    please don’t spend any of my tax dollars on this issue. Let LWV vote to pay for the consultation.

  • 32 RE #27 // Jun 11, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Ms. lauricella is using her position at the LWV for her own personal gains.

    I think that would hold true for just about every Federal, State, and Local politician that ever lived.

  • 33 #13 of the Miserable 25 returns // Jun 11, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    Poster #30 wrote; “Why do you think Doug Hempstead and Rick McQuaid get re-elected so often? Its because they take the time to understand and they take the time to care. They don’t go off half cocked on subjects they know nothing about and are willing to admit when they don’t get it.”

    CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL FRED BONDI TO READ THIS, or is it too late for him?

  • 34 Qizzy Asks // Jun 11, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    With all this talk of which council person has what degree of education and such…..who were/are the best council people over the past 20 or 30 years? I’m sure we would agree on who most of them are (not).

    Bet you would be surprised at their backgrounds.

  • 35 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    It is not always the educational degrees and diploma’s that make for a good council person but more so those who listen, who look for answers and who steer you in the right direction that can make all the difference.

  • 36 Some interesting facts // Jun 11, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Point well taken! Its not always in the formal education that makes a smart person, just those who care enough to pay attention and educate themselves about matters of importance. Just because people sit and puff their feathers and ask what they think are inteligent questions and that nobody would question them anyway doesn’t mean they are right for any position. This list below will prove to be very enlightening.

    Bill Gates Dropped out of Harvard

    Einstein: Nobel Prize-winning physicist; “Time” magazine’s “Man of the Century” (20th century) (after dropping out of high school, he studied on his own and passed the entrance exam on his second try to the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology)

    • John D. Rockefeller Sr.: Self-made billionaire American businessman-philanthropist; co-founder of “The Standard Oil Company;” history’s first recorded billionaire (dropped out of high school two months before graduation; took business courses for ten weeks at Folsom Mercantile College [a chain business school])

    • Henry Ford: Self-made multimillionaire American businessman; assembly-line auto manufacturing pioneer; founder of the “Ford Motor Company”

    • Walt Disney: Oscar-winning American film/TV producer; animation and theme park pioneer; self-made multimillionaire founder and spokesperson of “The Walt Disney Studios/Company; “Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient; Congressional Gold Medal recipient; French Legion of Honor admittee/Medal recipient (received honorary high-school diploma from hometown high school at age 58)

    • Abraham Lincoln: 16th President of the United States; (little formal education - Lincoln himself estimated approximately one year; home schooling/life experience; later earned a law degree through self study of books that he borrowed from friends)

    • Carl Sandburg: Pulitzer Prize-winning American author (little formal education; later passed entrance exam to Lombard College and graduated)

    • Diana, Princess of Wales

    • George Burns: Oscar-winning actor/comedian (elementary school dropout)

    • Dave Thomas: Self-made multimillionaire American businessman; founder-spokesperson of the “Wendy’s” fast-food restaurant chain (equivalency diploma)

    • Martin Van Buren: 8th President of the United States (little formal education; began studying law at age 14 while an apprentice at a law firm, later became a lawyer)

    • Andrew Carnegie: Self-made multimillionaire American businessman and philanthropist (elementary school dropout)

    • John Chancellor: American television journalist; evening news anchorman

    • “Colonel” Harlan Sanders: Self-made multimillionaire American businessman; founder-spokesperson of the “Kentucky Fried Chicken/KFC” fast-food restaurant chain (elementary school dropout; later earned a correspondence course law degree)

    • Samuel L. Clemens (”Mark Twain”): Best-selling American author and humorist (elementary school dropout)

    • Christopher Columbus: Italian explorer (little formal education; home schooling/life experience; went to sea in his youth)

    • Davy Crockett: Early American frontiersman; U.S. Congressman (Tennessee Representative); died at the battle of the Alamo (little formal education - less than six months; home schooling/life experience)

    • Charles Dickens: Best-selling British author (elementary school dropout)

    • Joe DiMaggio: National Baseball Hall of Fame inductee; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient

    • Sir Francis Drake: British explorer; knighted in the United Kingdom (little formal education; home schooling/life experience; went to sea in his youth)

    • George Eastman: Self-made multimillionaire American inventor; founder of the “Kodak” roll film camera, corporation, and chemical company

    • Thomas Edison: Self-made multimillionaire, most famous and productive inventor of all time; invented the filament electric light bulb, phonograph, and motion picture camera; electrical power usage pioneer; Congressional Gold Medal recipient; knighted (France: bestowed the rank of Chevalier, (had no formal education - home schooled)

    • Benjamin Franklin: American politician - diplomat - author - printer - publisher-scientist - inventor; co-author and co-signer of the U.S. Declaration of Independence; one of the founders of The United States of America; face is pictured on the U.S. one-hundred dollar bill (little formal education [less than two years]; home schooling/life experience)

    • Clark Gable: Oscar-winning actor

    • George Gershwin: Oscar-nominated and most celebrated American songwriter-and classical composer; Congressional Gold Medal recipient

    • Amadeo Peter Giannini: American-born founder of “Bank of America”

    • Cary Grant: Oscar-winning actor

    • W.T.Grant: Self-made multimillionaire American businessman; founder of the “W.T. Grant Company” department store chain

    • H.L. Hunt: Self-made billionaire American oil industrialist (elementary school dropout)

    • John Huston: Oscar-winning American film director-actor (The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The Maltese Falcon, The African Queen, etc.)

    • Elton John: Oscar-winning songwriter-singer; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee; knighted by the United Kingdom

    • Andrew Jackson: 7th President of the United States (no formal education; home schooling/life experience)

    • John Paul Jones: Scottish-born American Revolutionary War U.S. navy commander; famous quote: “I have not yet begun to fight.” (little formal education; home schooling/life experience; went to sea in his youth)

    • Henry J. Kaiser: Self-made multimillionaire American businessman; founder of “Kaiser Aluminum and Chemical Corporation,” “Kaiser Steel,” etc.

    • Kirk Kerkorian: Self-made billionaire American businessman

    • Ray Kroc: Self-made billionaire American businessman; founder of the “McDonald’s” fast-food restaurant chain

    • Jerry Lewis: Actor-comedian-singer-entertainer-humanitarian; knighted (France: Chevalier [or Chev.] Jerry Lewis)

    • John Major: British Prime Minister 1990-1997

    • William Shakespeare: British playwright; best-selling British author

    • George Bernard Shaw: Nobel Prize-winning Irish-born British playwright; best-selling author

    • Frank Sinatra: Oscar-winning actor-singer; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient; Congressional Gold Medal recipient

    • John Philip Sousa: American composer-conductor (elementary school dropout)

    • Zachary Taylor: 12th President of the United States (little formal education; home schooling/life experience)

    • George Washington: 1st President of the United States; former general; Chairman of the Constitutional Convention; U.S. nickname: “The Father of Our Country”; face is pictured on the U.S. one dollar bill and twenty-five cent coin (quarter) (no formal education; home schooling/life experience; went to sea in his youth)
    • William Faulkner: Nobel Prize-winning and Pulitzer Prize-winning American author; screenwriter (dropped out of high school in second year; later attended University of Mississippi but did not graduate)

    • Herman Melville: Best-selling American author and writer of Moby Dick, arguably the greatest novel of all time.

    • Liza Minnelli: Oscar-winning actress-singer

    • Robert Mitchum: Oscar-nominated actor
    • Claude Monet: French painter (elementary school dropout)

    • David H. Murdock: Self-made billionaire American businessman

    • Florence Nightingale: History’s most notable nurse; best-selling Italian-born British nursing book author (no formal education; home schooling/life experience)

    • Thomas Paine: American Revolutionary War era political theorist; best-selling British-born American author; famous quote: “These are the times that try men’s souls.” (little formal education; home schooling/life experience)

    • Millard Fillmore: 13th President of the United States (little formal education - six months; home schooling/life experience; studied law while serving as a legal clerk with a judge and law firm; later became a lawyer)

    • Will Rogers: American author-humorist-lecturer-actor-entertainer; famous quote: “I never met a man I didn’t like.”

    • Frederick Henry Royce: Self-made multimillionaire British businessman; co-founder-designer of the “Rolls-Royce Motor Cars Company”; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Frederick Henry Royce) (elementary school dropout)

    • Edmond Safra: Lebanese-born billionaire banker-philanthropist

    • David Sarnoff: Russian-born American radio and television pioneer; given the title “Father of American Television” by the Television Broadcasters Association

    • William Saroyan: Oscar-winning screenwriter; Pulitzer Prize-winning American playwright

    • Vidal Sassoon: Self-made multimillionaire British businessman; founder of “Vidal Sassoon” hairstyling salons, academies, and hair-care products

    • Walt Whitman: Best-selling American poet (elementary school dropout)

    • Orville & Wilbur Wright: Aviation pioneers; Congressional Gold Medal recipients

    • Grover Cleveland: 22nd and 24th President of the United States; face is pictured on the one-thousand dollar bill, which is no longer printed; (dropped out of school to help family earn income; studied law while serving as a clerk at a law firm, later became a lawyer)

    • Irving Berlin: Oscar-winning American songwriter-composer; film story writer; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient; Congressional Gold Medal recipient

    Ultimately, what distinguishes the aforementioned individuals from the rest of us is their passion for learning that transcends the structured environment of the classroom. Instead of limiting their education to formal schooling, they were curious about the world around them. With their fearless spirit of exploration and their desire to experiment, these individuals discovered their true passions and strengths, which they built upon to achieve success later in life.

    Imagine what a loss for the world it would have been had Thomas Edison decided to conform to the system, and invest his time in doing homework, rather than pursuing his love for invention. What if Walt Disney had confined his learning to the requirements of his school’s curriculum, and followed only the guidance of his teachers, rather than his own internal motivation. His extraordinary animated features may have never been created.

    Ultimately, formal education - by placing the control of learning in the hands of teachers and administrators, and imposing rules and requirements on students - stifles the natural love for learning. We must learn from these exceptional individuals who had the courage to defy the coercive force of formal education and carve their niche in our history. Source: http://angelfire.com/stars4/lists/dropouts.html MORE

  • 37 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Ok, ok “SIF”, I think we get your point. For the most part though these were not people you would hire as experts a la Diane Lauricella representing herself, but people you would look to be leaders, a la Doug Hempstead or Rick McQuaid. So in Diane’s case the credentials are key; in a leader’s position, not so much.

  • 38 Some interesting facts // Jun 11, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    My point exactly but the posting of #34 stated “With all this talk of which council person has what degree of education and such…..who were/are the best council people over the past 20 or 30 years? I’m sure we would agree on who most of them are (not).

    Bet you would be surprised at their backgrounds.

    That is why I tried to make the point that it is not always the school educated people who make the best leaders. We have had some very good council people who may or may not have degrees or even high school diploma’s, thats not to say thaey are not intelligent in other ways. many people learn from work and life experiences and can be so much more grounded to the issues than those with all the fancy degrees.
    I do agree with you though in some cases credentials are key to making important statements such as the ones Ms. Lauricella makes so often.

  • 39 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Why is there so much interest in Dianne and so little on the toxic waste site she is trying to get the City to take a public health interest in..?

  • 40 Anonymous // Jun 12, 2008 at 12:30 am

    some cities are proactive Norwalk is not.Look around a old police station that can’t even be entered without precautions it has airborne lead and asbestos, Oyster park still not getting a entire clean bill of health to use by the Epa and State.Vets park that is simply a question of what was dumped there.None of those issues we have seen Dianne taking part in there have been others who voiced concern what about them?What about the drain sponges they need replacing? Who is paying for the dispoal there are what 250 of them? How many brownfeilds are we working on restoring the land how many brownfeilds exist in Norwalk? has all the brownfeilds been noted?

    Leave it to a few who want to pass on something clean to our kids ,but we do have to watch our cost and profit margin don’t we?

    The same DPW heading and suggesting these things are the same ones paying fines for our sewage plant and have continued spills and problems over the years contaminating the Norwalk river without Diannes help.

    Its shame these hazardous waste days have to happen at all something Dianne has always been involved with keeping crap out of the watersheds shame on her.

    Its makes one wonder what frigging apple cart did she upset, who has she made so nervous about the way they conduct business in the city? Or hasthe mayor decided another run for the office and is working the crowd now with a pie in the sky deal that personally sounds too good to be true just ask come of the councilors.

    No Norwalk has its environmental issues

  • 41 Woman of the Year! // Jun 12, 2008 at 1:02 am

    SIF, Don’t forget the Woman of the Year, Dr. Lynne C. Moore, to your list of accomplished individuals. She’s been forced to resign from a record number of school systems and yet has become quite successful in Norwalk.

  • 42 Anonymous // Jun 12, 2008 at 8:43 am

    I think the list was representative of those who made a significant contribution to society and had a lasting impact on the world in general. Somehow I don’t see Lynne Moore as a part of that elite group. Those people either had little or no education and made the world a better place to live, Lynne Moore wiith all so called credentials has only managed to alienate several communities and leave a bad taste in the mouths of those she has torchered. I somehow doubt many if any of her students will remember her in later years as someone who they admired.

  • 43 Anonymous // Jun 12, 2008 at 9:45 am

    Research has led to the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

    These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be detected because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second to take from four days to four years to complete.

    Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2- 6 years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization
    in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium’s mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass.

    When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

  • 44 Anonymous // Jun 12, 2008 at 9:55 am

    #43-Well spoken–entropy at its finest!

  • 45 turfgrrl // Jun 12, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    anonymous 43: Brilliant! :)
  • 46 Anonymous // Jun 12, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Hempstead takes time to listen and care? I don’t think so. He will look you in the eye and will tell you he will look into the problem and as soon as he is out of sight will dump your request in the nearest dumpster.

  • 47 Anonymous // Jun 12, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    I think not! Any time I have called or e-mailed him he has been extremely helpful.

  • 48 Zooey Glass // Jun 12, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    46 - Your assessment of Mr. Hempstead needs qualifying. What specifics can you offer? I seriously doubt he chose to take a council seat so he could ignore the public. Anyone who knows him knows full well he is committed and dedicated to Norwalk and its taxpayers.

  • 49 Quizzy Asks // Jun 13, 2008 at 9:19 am

    The Governmentium definition has been posted on many sites over many years has it not? I dont know if anyone knows who the original author was, but it was very well done.

  • 50 1 of the SMD 3 // Jun 14, 2008 at 10:15 am

    #7 You got it exactly right ! It’s no secret Geake is one of the wacko “Deaniacs”

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