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Crime and Probability


by turfgrrl


May 24th, 2008 · 30 Comments

Is Norwalk a safe or not a safe city? That is the question that some here are asking, which has lead to some rather interesting events these past days. If you are a tow truck driver about to tow a taxi cab, Norwalk might not seem so safe. If you are having dinner at Strada 18 in Norwalk Norwalk might seem very safe. Safety, like art, is one one of those things that rests in the eyes of the beholder. Each person is all so confident that they know it when they see it. Or was that Brandeis on pornography? I digress.

The reality is that crime is fairly predictable. The FBI has been reporting on crime statistics for years, and with a fairly predictable correlation between the economy and the rate of crime per capita.  The more we see economic pressures on the average economic family unit, the higher the incidence of crimal activity, whether its the kind that we see, burglaries and robberies in the police blotter, or the kind we don’t see embezzlement at the office. Which is why focusing on types of crime without looking at the hard data seems an odd choice for some vocal residents.

Looking at the random comments we have you’d think there was a huge spike in youth crimes, that is, criminal acts committed by teens. Yet studying the police blotter you’d see the ages of arrests more in the adult range of 30-40-50s. Suspects? Adults too. So where is the the data supporting the idea that teens are the root of criminal activity? You can’t manage what you don’t know, just like you shouldn’t look for your lost keys under the streetlight when you dropped them in darkened alley.

There are no perfect solutions when it comes to managing a city as complex as Norwalk. But there is one fundamental constraint that seems to affect every municipal issue. The cost of increasing city services is born by city tax payers. The debate that roils around budget time is the most important aspect governing what city leaders do about crime and police staffing in addition to all the other infrastructure issues. Each election should be about the future of Norwalk and not just the future of whomever is running for office. But you rarely see that in the election propaganda. At least until you start demanding those answers.

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30 Responses so far “Crime and Probability”



  • 1 Anonymous // May 24, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Turfie, you you hit the “spike” right on the head. The comments here are all about politics. People get their jollies trashing the City in this forum because of their political interest in seeing a Democrat mayor elected in ‘09. Therefore, I lend no credence to any poster’s comments in this forum when it comes to “feeling safe” or having concern for rising crime.

  • 2 Anonymous // May 24, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    I guess you could start in learning what is allowed and not.If your a teen or considered a minor the police report doesn’t show the crime or the arrest so lets make that clear in Norwalk and in Ct they do not allow names or even the crime in some cities to be openly reported.

    Norwalk has a bad habit of not sending in the figures its optional for most departments Norwalk has for years kept the facts under lock and key up to two years before releasing them to the FBI.

    If you have seen those reports od the older crowd have you matched them with other cities? we still hold the lead over Stamford on that record.

    I think its time to find some experts at Pace that could help clearly define what crime is reported publicy.There are always two sides of this and obviously someone hasn’t done their homework.

    The schools where the kids committing crime go during the day has shown an increase something the BOE shows in their running expense for security.

    There is no reality in Norwalk the stats show it.Stats on the city web page was taken down, the papers just reported over 65 diddlers in Norwalk that once sat on the police webs site picture and all where are they now?

    back to IMAGE w edon’t have molesters just check out the police web site how conveniant for outsiders who want to invest in Norwalk.

    A lot more could be said facts are always left out or economical arguments

    Maybe a republican mayor is the answer I know a few who could run so what was that?

    So the person kicked in the head repeatedly on N Main st last night was isolated yet at 8:30 pm or so for all the families to see.Simply lovely was my first thought for the busienesses along the thriving SONO but not one foot patrolman to be seen to advert a situation like that,you know the ones who wear blue hats.

    I’m surprised we Norwalk wasn’t compared to Greenwich this morning they had a shooting we only had a stabbing and someone who hung himself in a visible area to be found yet was there reports said he was there for a long time along a walkway near the aquarium.

    Its what window your looking out its what knowledge you have of the streets that determines what you understand about your environment so all the help one can get to understand should be not be by belittling thoughts of others.

  • 3 Anonymous // May 24, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    There are indeed people who comment on this site that don’t have political motives. There are genuinely concerned citizens like myself. I don’t like having people smoking crack, bringing prosititutes into my neighborhood and vandalizing public property.

  • 4 Anon // May 24, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    You live in a City. Not a village, nor a hamlet. Not even a town. You have housing projects, not assisted living, nursing homes, nor retirement developments. Get rid of welfare handouts and housing projects, and violent crime will correspondingly decrease.

  • 5 Anonymous // May 24, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    I recognize #2 as the in-house, prolific, though grammatically deficient, yourct crime reporter. Goes to show that you CAN be mildly comprehensible while writing gibberish. Some modern educators, like Mr. Corda - a mild mannered man who was appointed by a democoRAT Board of Education, would find his skills perfectly accreditable to qualify him as an affirmative-action valedictorian; that is, if he were to be a putative high school graduate. Short of that, he might be eminently qualified to matriculate to the NCC enhanced remedial program for unremediable dolts.

  • 6 Anonymous // May 24, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    #5 must be a bonyfide rePUBican–talks real smart to–got to agree witcha ’bout that Corda–(I think) Is putative really a word? Gosh your smart. You musta went to colledge. Can i learn to rite like you? I want to go to colledge someday but I cant efford it but my guydance counsiler tolled me that I can get a scallership.

  • 7 Anonymous // May 24, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    #5 did what Nick did can’t argue fact so attack the source.Its easier than offering an educated opinion.

  • 8 anon // May 25, 2008 at 8:12 am

    In response to #5:

    Current empirical research points to varying perspectives of what we know as “adult intelligence.” In other words, intelligence is multi-faceted. Training and ability is, in large part, validated by motivation and personality. This would explain the bookish individual who lacks interpersonal and/or intrapersonal skills. Most of us would agree that intelligence is of no certain consequence if it does not contribute positively to co-existence.

  • 9 Anonymous // May 27, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Let take this weekend the probability of having arson in Norwalk is low to none .The chances of it happening twice this weekend within hours of each other would not be normal.According to the Advocate the fire dept is investigating two fires but that determination may prove to be just accidental.What most of us would find disturbing is one of the buildings was occupied it was a multifamily home.So for now the thought is the safety of the city and if we show a rise in this type of crime it does show some increase doesn’t it for this year only in this specific area.This is one area the FBI does take into consideration when guaging a cities crime rate.

  • 10 anonymous // May 27, 2008 at 6:04 am

    If their is an arsonist in the city, could someone please print the directions to 93 East Av. in the Hour?

  • 11 Anonymous // May 27, 2008 at 9:17 am

    That’s a despicable comment to make.

  • 12 Anonymous // May 27, 2008 at 9:29 am

    A police officer was to have said sometime over the weekend someone in East Norwalk made a citizens arrest on a theft suspect what is the odds of that happening without the Angels?

    Its only going to get worse until we have city wide support whoever caught and held the thief should come forewood and tell the naysayers some fact.Only a good crime reporter gets these stories from the city they cover.

    Probably just a fluke some would say.

  • 13 Anonymous // May 28, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    The Mexicano bar on wall st I didn’t know they had exotic dancers and cheap drinks but it was said the cops got there fast.They are usaully there at closing when I’m coming back after work I see them there almost every night.Can’t the liquor commission do anything about these places that constantly create police reports? The second fight described in the paper as a severly beaten person transported to the hospital from the same place how can we change our image as a safe city with this happening all the time?

  • 14 Anonymous // May 30, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Let’s see if there is a story in tomorrows paper about the mexican who broke into a car at the South Norwalk Train Station.

  • 15 Anonymous // May 30, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    which car break ? There is one a day at the South Norwalk train station.More on the eastbound side where there are less cab drivers to see whats going on.Why mexican?

  • 16 1 of the SMD 3 // May 30, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Maybe because of the shear overwhelming number of them (mostly illegal) who are in close proximity (Lowe St RR Bridge) to the large shopping area (East Bound RR Lot)and…who know even IF they do get caught, will be let go because our left wing government officals here in CT WON’T ENFORCE our immigration laws!!!

    I counted over 60 of them this morning “lounging” on the bridge on the way to work this morning, and I’ll wager 80% of them are CRIMINALS (that’s Illegal Alien to those who think there’s a difference)

    With the upcoming rainy weather predicted for tomorrow, the odds will be good the NPD will have their hands full responding to all the drunken fights, etc. Locations??? Hmmmm let’s see…. maybe the Mexicana on Wall St…..Or…. the two joints in East Norwalk….. Not to mention all the DWI’s (NO license…NO Insurance…NO registration, etc)…..Take your pick, All or most will occur….
    That reminds me….Gotta find that Locking Gas Cap I put away years ago……

  • 17 Anonymous // May 30, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    The locking gas cap is indeed a must they caught two a week ago with empty gas can and a hose whats that tell you.If you noticed them at Lowe st bridge you must of noticed they get health care,free counseling and they get their trash picked up at the bridge all the time.Seems like life is better there than if you work all day send the kids to school and get screwed by our local mayor and his creative accounting staff.

    Crime is up from assaults according to the hospital ER trauma team I wonder how Harry will spin this one.The mayor will be giving the hospital something soon by the sounds of it.

    I wonder what this weekend will produce for imaginary trouble.We can all pretend to read about it next wes or thursday. We can ignore the size of the police force tonight as a practice run for the new sport of bar closings.

    Discounts on silencers for handguns this weekend at Roodner court,siphon hoses and gas cans are now available at the Lowe st bridge and a course will be offered at washington village for stealing gas.

    http://www.misterfixit.com/siphon.htm

    its nice to see our city preparing for a long hot summer.

  • 18 Anonymous // Jun 6, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Another woman allegedly assaulted makes you wonder when the Hour attributed last years figures not bad then they keep reporting this year all kinds of assaults on woman and do a entire domestic abuse report they may want to consider one woman one assault is simply one too many.Of course it was at midnight in South Norwalk when the Angels would be walking the beat helping out the city while the police close the bars.Its just sad our leadership simply doesn’t get it.

  • 19 Anonymous // Jun 11, 2008 at 9:09 am

    where the credit union was robbed at gunpoint yesterday for the first time in its history its probably not the last time.Thank god no one got shot,but then again the ER is real close and the trauma team is getting real good at what they do.

  • 20 Anonymous // Jun 13, 2008 at 11:30 am

    Just now a tourist just asked me where the train station was he was on Meadow st.Armed with a laptop in a bag slung over his shoulder speaking broken english from Sweden he was friggin lost.So as a good Norwalker I simply said continue Woodward ave beyond the stabbing and get the hell out of here before your next.

    Crime is probably going to get worse here in Norwalk and this last satbbing on a friday morning in broad daylight tells me we could of had another victim holding onto a Norwalk as he was walking Norwalk.

    I know if we had the transfer station there would of been plenty of trucks and this would not have happened.There is safety when there is people and this stuff never happens in the middle of the day.

    BULLSHIT Norwalk wake up!

    Only if the victim dies will it be part of Norwalks crme stat otherwise the police dept will call it a misplaced weapon on Woodward ave.

    Nice way to start off the weekend Mr mayor isn’t it?

  • 21 CRIME WHO CARES, IT'S NORWALK // Jun 13, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    The chief of the NPD still insists on regularly stationing 1 or 2 men in almost zero crime sections. While there are robberies, stabbings, muggings and shootings, in the downtown areas in broad daylight,drug dealing within a stone throw of the police dept HQ, and a sore need for more enforcement goes lacking. Who assigns these “special interest” officers?

  • 22 Anonymous // Jun 14, 2008 at 10:59 am

    shotspotter worked great last night,multiple shootings last night and the system worked.Multiple shootings were picked up and heard by the officers on duty.One shooter had so many balls as to wait for the police to create a handful of crime scenes with yello tape before they let another volley of gunfire go creating still another shooting site.

    Mr Mayor the yellow ribbon stayed there for hours waiting for you to cut it what happened?

    Someone said you would be cutting the ribbon maybe after last call.

    This is what Norwalk has turned into the wild wild west shame on you taxpayers that think we don’t need help or want our streets back.

    One hour last night loked like it did years ago on Grove,Woodward,Burritt and South main st.Tourism will hurt investors on the new devemopment will lok at us and wonder is it worth the trip to Norwalk.You can’t staop the ews obvious Norwalk can’t stop crime with all the police presence last night in the city it didn’t stop the shootings didn’t even make the gangs think twice about firing handguns in the city.

    Thank you Dick and Harry you have come through once again,you got your five minutes of police enforcment messages now can you please go back to policing Norwalk and scrape the pie off your face.

  • 23 NO PRIORITIES AT ALL // Jun 14, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Shootings, muggings, stabbings, robberies, and beatings, but the chief is STILL WASTING OFFICERS ON NOISE DETAIL.

  • 24 Anonymous // Jun 14, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    But we did get our triple AAA , maybe we will see more news on crime and whats going on in Norwalk.Yep the coast is clear Chet let the news fly the Advocate never stopped.

    Its a shame but reality will set in soon unless we clean up what we have building anything else will just be a waste of time.

  • 25 TODAY AAA TOMORROW NO GUARANTEE // Jun 14, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Hell a decade ago, GLOBAL CROSSING, WORLDCOM, GENENTECH, TELDYNE, just to name a few were all AAA solid companies with thousands of workers planning on their retirement pensions and benefits. They were the sweethearts of the STOCK MARKET.

    JUST LOOK AT THEM NOW. Today we got an AAA rating tomorrow we could be screwed. The above corporations each had more worth than the city of Norwalk, but tanked.

  • 26 ..... // Jun 14, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    It’s a shame how the media treats things. They are worried about money and speeding. What about the people losing their lives. The police need to do their job. I lost a special person last night because they don’t know how to do their jobs. Within the past couple of years I’ve lost relatives and friends because of their b/s.

  • 27 Anonymous // Jun 15, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Shooting at Meadow Gardens sat night has was never reported.The police were the reporting party on the killing residents don’t even call anymore its a waste of time Moccia has this term wrapped up.Where is Bolden? Where is Perone where is Duff where is Rillings?

    Moccia is trying to make this a political thing by deception.You really think the democrats are causing problems?You really think republicans are stupid enough to buy into this crap?

    You havn’t seen anything we want our city back.Having jackasses who run their mouth and not the city should be asked to leave.Norwalk needs leadership we need safe streets.

  • 28 anon from S Norwalk // Jun 15, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    We need to face the fact that the city gangs have extended themselves to include Norwalk. We have Crips, Bloods, Latin Kings and others fighting over “turf”. At the end of Olean St there used to be a mound of dirt/hill. Back there “young” kids around 12-14 guarded their stashes of drugs and guns. Some even commuted in from the city- made their money- and commuted home at night- one to Queens….I know this from personal experience a family member was a heroin addict who bought from a kid and befriended him- the kid was only 13 yet had access to high-powered weapons and even his own “Name brand” bags of heroin.

  • 29 Anonymous // Jun 18, 2008 at 12:54 am

    This was found on the NCJRS site the taxpayer pays for it so its free.

    Once found principally in large cities, violent street gangs now affect public safety, community image, and quality of life in communities of all sizes in urban, suburban, and rural areas. No region of the United States is untouched by gangs. Gangs affect society at all levels, causing heightened fears for safety, violence, and economic costs” (2005 National Gang Threat Assessmet, National Alliance of Gang Investigators Associations, 2005).

  • 30 Anonymous // Jun 18, 2008 at 11:03 am

    There will probably be more voilence in South Norwalk this weekend the police dept has taken the weekend off.

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