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Tonight Is Guardian Angel Thingee


by turfgrrl


May 22nd, 2008 · 84 Comments

The Advocate is running the preview of tonight’s meeting, which is a good thing because then I don’t have to do it.

At-large Common Council member Mike Geake invited Sliwa to speak at tonight’s meeting of the council’s Health, Welfare and Public Safety Committee in response to residents’ interest in forming a chapter of the crime-busting group in South Norwalk.

Sliwa founded the nonprofit Guardian Angels in 1979, when violent crime rates were skyrocketing in New York City.

Guardian Angels volunteers undergo three months of tactical, mental and physical training before they patrol streets in groups of at least four, wearing distinctive red berets and red satin jackets and performing citizens’ arrests. Today, the organization has 104 chapters in 12 cities, Sliwa said.

Geake said his goal is to hold a fact-finding session, not necessarily to support forming a local chapter.

“I kept hearing from people that, ‘Gee, we ought to start a chapter,’ ” Geake said. “I decided if people are close to doing this, I wanted (elected officials) to be at the table.”

But Norwalk’s mayor and police chief have questioned the need for the group and Geake’s method of inviting them. Geake invited Sliwa before contacting him or the mayor, Police Chief Harry Rilling said.

“I’m not ready to say the Guardian Angels are a fit for Norwalk, and I take great exception to the way it was done,” Rilling said.

“I don’t see any harm in having an individual come and make a presentation, but you should do your homework first and not after.”

Sliwa said city officials’ criticism of Geake is remarkable.

“You’d think he had invited (Iranian president Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad to speak at Columbia University,” he said.

Mayor Richard Moccia said bringing in the anti-crime group sends the wrong message.

“Violent and major crime is down over the last two years,” he said. “It sends the message to people interested in moving to or working in Norwalk that we’re so overridden with crime.”

For the first half of 2007, the latest period for which statistics are available, Norwalk saw an 11 percent reduction in serious crimes compared with 2006.

The Norwalk Police Department also is growing.

With 170 officers on patrol and six in the academy, the force should be close to its authorized full strength of 182 in the next year and a half, Rilling said.

Statistics are irrelevant if South Norwalk residents feel unsafe, Geake said.

Mike, Mike, Mike. Statistics are irrelevant? Ahem, whatever happened to the old adage, you can’t manage what you don’t know. I’m sorry anecdotal evidence has a place, but not for policy making.

“I’m not so sure crime has increased as much as people’s tolerance of it and patience with it has ended. It gets to the point where enough is enough,” he said.

Moccia said the Guardian Angels are out of context for South Norwalk.

“I disagree that SoNo is unsafe. I’m not a Pollyanna though. Do we have problems? Sure,” Moccia said. “But at the time Curtis started this 30 years ago in New York, it was a different era. It might have been the right thing at the time, but not now.”

Sliwa, who works closely with the year-old New Haven chapter of the Angels, said he is familiar with South Norwalk.

“I’m amazed at the sense of denial. I’ve gone back and forth on Metro-North (Railroad), passing South Norwalk, and people say, ‘Oh man, they need you in South Norwalk, how come you guys aren’t getting off here?’ I understand parts of Norwalk are not in need of the Guardian Angels. I’m a realist, but South Norwalk could use a division of Marines coming back from Fallujah in Iraq,” he said.

The Angels’ eyes and ears could supplement police work, Geake said.

“This is not me saying the police aren’t doing a good job. This is me saying there are things the police are not an appropriate answer for,” he said. “You use police for what police are best at and are intended for. The Guardian Angels are for a different purpose.”

Misconceptions about the Guardian Angels include that they’re vigilantes or members of the Hell’s Angels motorcycle gang, Sliwa said.

The group’s primary advantage is a preventive effect on crime, he said; it can also combat the conventional street wisdom preventing witnesses from sharing crime tips with police for fear of retaliation.

The city has no authority to prevent the volunteer group from forming.

“They’re private citizens, and as long as they act within the boundaries of the law, there’s not a thing the city can do to prevent this. If they want to form, they will form,” Geake said.

But if residents aren’t interested in forming a chapter, the Guardian Angels won’t force it, Sliwa said.

An attempt to found a Stamford Guardian Angels chapter in 1981 failed for lack of interest.

In 1983, Sliwa told an audience at Norwalk Community College he had no plans to start a Norwalk chapter or revive one in Stamford unless residents showed enough interest.

Stamford law enforcement officials opposed formation of a local group in 1981.

Each city’s chapter must be made up of local residents, Sliwa said.

“We have to be invited. We don’t just play pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, where are we going to go today?” he said. “We leave it up to the citizens, because if the citizens won’t join, there won’t be Guardian Angels. We’re not mercenaries. We’re not Hessians. We’re not going to come up from New York and New Haven. We’re just going to show local people what they can do to become a Guardian Angel.”

source: Advocate, Guardian Angels’ founder speaks tonight, By Alexandra Fenwick, 05/22/2008

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  • 1 Anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Statistics ARE irrelevent if you can’t trust the underlying data to be accurately recorded and properly categorized!!!

  • 2 anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    This is dumb. I live in South Norwalk and I spent a lot of time in NYC in the 70s. It’s night and day. I think bringing in the Guardian Angels is like a self-fulfilling prophesy. It will discourage people from moving in who don’t want to live in a crime area. Kind of like the mayor was saying about sending the wrong message.

  • 3 Anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    So we should wait while South Norwalk gets like NYC in the 70s and THEN do something about it?!?

    Prevention makes more sense.

  • 4 anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    The Guardian Angels are prevention? I don’t think so.

  • 5 Anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    For the 100th time the only way Norwalk can be cleaned up is by the removal of projects, low income housing, duplexes etc.

  • 6 Dawn // May 22, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Then WHAT SHOULD WE DO. There is murder and mayhem. Already people don’t want to come here.

    A MURDER HAPPENED HOUSES AWAY FROM MY FAMILY. law abiding homeowners who are now house shopping. These are good people who you want as your neighbors. People with the means are going to leave and what will be left. CHAOS.

    Maybe the angels are not the answer. But never be afraid of information.

  • 7 Anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    On the money #1 ask the council members who sat through a meeting just recently and were told nothing about a voilent robbery in East Norwalk the night before.How do you think they felt when all present went home and read the news the next day?That meeting was on East Norwalk crime prevention how do you think they felt?

    The reason it wasn’t covered by the papers too close to Mikey’s meeting? I suppose who knew the Advocate would grow balls and break the story,too bad we lost Noelle it shows in the Hours performance.

    Anyone living in South Norwalk that doesn’t know the deal must still be living in the 70’s.I have a family who grew up counting shots fired before they hit preschool.

    Its obvious the crime data in Norwalk and going back people have asked for a breakdown have never received any data to show where the problems are.

    Why would Rilling be looking into a system to pinpoint shots fired? That system is about $500,000 for the size of Norwalk.

    We are seeing robberies on a continued basis when we have no police available for other parts of the city.

    Talk to the EMT who are picking up patients in the street as fast as they can make round trips to South Norwalk alone.Rowyaton residents don’t realize when they need help Darien or Westport ambulances come to their homes whats that? I’m sure they do when they wait so long for a ride to the hospital be better if they take one of Vitos cabs.

    We are back to the same crap again our image.Its shot, look at the clubs we host at night on the weekends. Drugs are plentifull fights are common and arrests are as many as five at a time.

    Forget the police stats look at your court news ask the hospital their work load and how much their trauma team works on stabbing victims in Norwalk.

    I personally discourage anyone who wants to move here and have found many who thought buying a condo in sight of the police station would turn out to be so tragic.Now they can’t sell no one wants to live where the crimminals breed.

    get off the train walk to Sono first thing you see is the police station then the bail bonds company accross the street yes there is a message there.

    It has come to a point most of us are not waiting for Dick and yes why would any company sign up for 95/7 knowing the city is in chaos that agenda is obvious folks.Can’t do much until how much is rented or committed?

    Image or self preservation and quality of life?

    The city has had how many deaths how many stabbings to send a message crime is not acceptable?

    Rid the city of the problems then maybe you will get what you want we want our city back and we are not backing down anymore.

    You only sell $400,000 dollar homes and add to the taxes when you have a house in a desirable area ask the esatate agents they cringe when showing a house in South Norwalk when the streets are filled with sirens what makes your average Joe any differant from your developers?

    Can’t manage what you have give the job up and give to someone who can.

    Find someone who understands gangs Dick said we have none just low level ones with guns how pathetic is that.

    What do you consider a crime? When a gun misfires to the head of a bodago owner its what? A broken gun?It just happened a few weeks ago but so what he will never see his store at the reid st project.

    Curtis knows gangs he knows the streets maybe if anything he can enlighten us all is what to look for he is comming to simply talk and listen he does listen yet he also knows how to respond unlike the leadership.Lets not let walter and the dr off the hook they had no clue never talked about crime so they were aslo useless.Morris is marching to his own drummer and Duff and Perone wouldn’t know a gunshot from a firecracker.No one seems to be in sync.Maybe if they come and listen on their way home they will see another city where others have to live and risk being a victim.

    The haves and haves nots yet the haves is paying for it one way or the other you think they would get tired of writing blank checks to fight crime.

    No one can tell us any facts and now when we get them doubt is cast over the truth thats not any way to run a city is it?

  • 8 David Brown // May 22, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    I have to agree with Dawn #6. “Maybe the angels are not the answer. But never be afraid of information.” It may be an issue of “you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.”

    I can remember years ago when well intended Public Works people were putting signs up all through East Norwalk showing where the supposed flood planes were and suggested evacuation routes.

    It caused an uproar from the neighborhoods that saw the signs as a reason for anyone wanting to buy a house in East Norwalk offering far less than the asking price because of the visable threat of floods. The logic was that there must be floods because there were signs warning about them.

    The same might be true with the Guardian Angels in South Norwalk. For anyone looking to buy a house there, a patrol of Guardian Angels, however well intended, might scare prospective buyers away. And then again, the headlines in the newspapers about incidents of crime could scare them away too.

    However, there’s no harm in listening. Mr. Sliwa is without a doubt the expert on how to make a civilian presence into a detriment to crime. And hats off to Mr. Geek for thinking of it.

    I’m curious to read in Friday’s papers how his interview was received.

  • 9 PROTECT YOURSELF // May 22, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    It’s time for every damn honest law abiding citizen to buy a gun and learn how to use it. Then we won’t need the Angels. The mayor can get his picture taken at the firearms instruction graduation with the citizens.

  • 10 Anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Thank god with all the ribbon cuttings we have ribbon hasn’t gone up like gas we would be floating another bond.

    Yes our image is in peril,so isn’t our tourism just ask AAA.

  • 11 Anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Where is the meeting and what time tonight?

  • 12 Anonymous // May 22, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Health, Welfare & Public Safety Committee of the Common Council
    7:30 P.M., Common Council Chambers, City Hall

  • 13 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 12:46 am

    who was the council member that had the breakdown?

    He told us us that billions of dollars was going to be spent soon in Norwalk and crime is down and that Norwalk police and mayor was doing a fine job.A shame he was the only one thought that way .Kinda of felt sorry for him I though he was going to cry.

    I guess that nice lady started his dissent by asking him about the mayor on an environmental project.Than that nice guy spoke and all hell broke loose.

    Sorry Curtis you had to see that we are glad his prozac kicked in so they could finish the meeting.

  • 14 anon // May 23, 2008 at 7:31 am

    You know… I just want to say that I admire Mike Geake very much. I am aware of his track record and he has demonstrated that he votes according to his conscience regardless of partisan flak from his own party. I see here a member of the council who is trying very hard to explore possible solutions to a growing problem - a very real problem - across the United States.

    I thank Mike Geake for representing me and my city of Norwalk. I am proud to say that my vote for Geake certainly is a vote well cast.

  • 15 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 7:35 am

    #13 - From your description and the article in the Hour, it sounds like “Nicky the Tongue” Kydes. Certifiable.

  • 16 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 8:19 am

    #15 I know when the meetings are on cable his days will be limited no one sane would want to see actions like that from any elected official.Its abvious what his agenda is and the people of Norwalk are not on it.

    The person who was speaking during his exercise of free speech turned out his first time after living in Norwalk for years at any meeting in city hall.A vet a gov employee was not rattled by the outbreak of bad behavior he has seen combat while serving his country yet never thought he would be attacked at the Norwalk city hall describing crime in South Norwalk as he sees it.

    maybe we all should take a step back and think is this how we want the city run?

    The rest of the council members actually reached out and listened objectively and knew the sentiment of the galley and the city.Its a shame the meeting had to endure such actions of one. no one had to defend the mayor he wasn’t there on his own accord.

  • 17 MGeake // May 23, 2008 at 8:24 am

    #14: Thank you. You have no idea how much that means to me.

    As for Norwalk’s image, the most amazing thing I learned last night is that there is a Guardian Angels chapter at Disney World! Yup, that’s where I think about when somebody mentions crime :)

    If you’re wondering why “statistics are irrelevent” to me, look no further than the article right below the Guardian Angels on the front page of today’s hour: those dealers were living and doing business two blocks from my house.

    As I told News12 last night, the mayor can live in denial; I live in South Norwalk.

  • 18 MGeake // May 23, 2008 at 8:41 am

    Okay, maybe I do associate Disney with crime, but that’s only when I see the prices they charge and the length of the lines :-o

  • 19 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 8:48 am

    MGeake shame on you, you make norwalk look so bad and the Gardian angels would not do a thing for safty in sono. I would feel less safe seeing the gardian angels walking around sono. Why dont you try to get more police in sono do something that makes sence or don’t you have any? If we can’t solve the crime issue we need to look at the leadership in our police department and bring in somone that will change and get tough on crime. It can be done but not by the gardian angels and again shame on you.

  • 20 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 8:53 am

    I thought it was odd how Nick told Curtis to come back in 5 years and see our billions of dallars worth of construction.

    I thought it was nice later when Curtis said no matter what you build unless the feeling of safe is in the area no one will come they will go elsewhere.

    There were a lot of things that were said by the Angels last night many that hit home.

    “Improve not move”

  • 21 TILII - TELL IT LIKE IT IS // May 23, 2008 at 9:14 am

    Mr. Geake, I congratulate you for having the nerve to think of the people of Norwalk first and the Mayors feelings last. Nick Kydes told Curtis to come back in 5 years and see our “Development.” Well, anyone with half a brain should realize that the larger a city becomes and the more people that come in, that crime will increase proportionally. It has to bring a larger amount of crime. Having more money floating around the streets in the pockets of visitors and in fancy boutiques will bring the “hunters” who will prey on these people and businesses. If I visit a city and see a Guardian Angel, I feel a lot safer then I do when I am in an unfamiliar area of the city and I do not see a policeman. I have gone out of my way to say thanks to a Guardian Angel when I have met them in the evening. Let’s call a spade a spade, the mayor is only looking at his image. Is he looking to run for Governor? He has shown the he will do anything for a developer, but has a closed mind. His new motto is “My way or the highway.” Too bad “Kodak Moccia” missed on heck of a photo op.

    As Curtis said, “The Mayor acts like you asked Attila the Hun to come to Norwalk.

  • 22 MGeake // May 23, 2008 at 9:16 am

    #19 Look back to my post at 17. I find it amazing to be continually accused of making Norwalk look bad. Crime — like a drug store robbed at high noon or fast food restraunts being robbed while out-of-towners eat — makes Norwalk look bad.

    As for needing more police, I whole-heartedly agree. In fact, during the first meeting with Chief Rilling after assuming my committee chair, I told him that I was concerned about staffing and overtime levels and that I would fight for him if he requested additional officers. The request the Council received was for three additional officers, and we approved that. We can’t give what he doesn’t ask for, so your bitch is with the chief and his boss, Mayor Moccia.

    Finally, if the presence of the Guardian Angels (or Auxilliary Police, Neighborhood Watch, …) deters the yuppie scum from our neighbor towns from driving their high-priced cars into Norwalk to buy their latest fix, then safety will indeed be improved.

  • 23 old-timer // May 23, 2008 at 9:33 am

    Curtis Sliwa did an excellent job last night, answered all the questions, and left most of us impressed. He made it very clear that his group does not send in people to patrol or even to train new memebers. It all has to come from the community (that’s us, folks) His group will supervise recruiting and training and will welcome recruits from the neighborhoods that most need the patrols. Local talent will be needed to teach the necessary skills. He mentioned possibly a lawyer, police officer, local martial arts instructors, emts or even retirees to teach CT law, martial arts, first aid, and the Angel’s way of dealing with people.
    Essentialy, he offered a program that will bring back the benefits of foot patrol to our most troubled neighborhoods. On average, volunteers serve less than two years and recruiting and training needs to be ongoing.
    His message was not “WE can do this” it was very clearly “YOU can do this”. It will be interesting to see the community response to this challenge. Most of the people who attended were disappointed the Mayor and the Police chief failed to attend, or send representatives.

  • 24 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 9:48 am

    There is no shame in bringing the Guardian Angels to Norwalk. The shame is that people don’t realize the growing need for community involvement in detering crime. Our police department does a phenominal job but we as citizens show absolutely no respect. We bash them, we turn on them and we don’t support them as a rule. Maybe, just maybe if we pulled ourselves up and took a good look at what they face each and every day we would and others would realize the benefit of having a group of NORWALK citizens be trained by the Angels to enhance the services provided by the police department. I would think that citizens and visitors would feel that much safer coming into Sono or any other part of Norwalk if they knew that not only the police are there to protect them but that actual citizens of norwalk actually cared enough to be there to help them. Its a no brainer.

  • 25 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 9:53 am

    It was interesting how everyone in the meeting had to warn one member on the board not to intimidate speakers.The same member had to be reminded of parlementary procedures many times maybe its out of the sandbox until he can play with others right.

  • 26 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 10:09 am

    All Angel members are subject to CORI checks do we have that for every employee in Norwalk? We might be safer with the Angels than some of the people we hire for the city.Is every LAZ worker subject to a CORI check? Every worker who cleans the city hall offices?

    The Angels do a great job of cleaning their own house and promote accountability maybe some of our own depts could learn something from them.I know Harry or Dick in a beret is asking for way too much.

  • 27 Len Jacoby // May 23, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Just on News 12, the mayor had the nerve to dismiss the Angles out of hand, but then has the balls to say that “Citizens and Neighborhood groups can do the same thing.” So using the Mayor and Police Chiefs line of thought it is OK for the taxpayer to go out and become a target but the Guardian Angels are not needed. Didn’t a mother and young son get assassinated for testifying against Peeler who then had them killed?

    Talk about disjointed logic, Wow!

  • 28 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Dick Moccia probably wants to get a new PR person after last night. People in the audience were appalled at Kydes behavior. One gentleman even walked out stating it was because the mayor just doesn’t care. That sends a very bad message to everyone else.

  • 29 MGeake // May 23, 2008 at 10:27 am

    What are the Guardian Angels if they are not a “Citizens Group”?!?

    Okay, they’re a citizens group in funny hats :-o

  • 30 Anonymous // May 23, 2008 at 10:32 am

    a mayor who is counting the days he has left.How could anyone with a political savy think running again would be possible.We now have to hide and protect what we have left before he leaves.Its like hiding moms silverware so it doesn’t get turned in for a bag.Its sad but better to know now we must look for someone else.Until then watch our assets our asses have been already been fried.

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