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Norwalk: Angels & Then Some


by turfgrrl


May 7th, 2008 · 57 Comments

It’s somewhat ironic, given that I’ve “taken back the blog” from the incessant crime blotter activities to be writing about — crime. But crime is in the news, or more exactly, what to do about crime. Mike Geake, councilman and regular here, has invited Guardian Angles founder Curtis Silwa to speak at the Health, Welfare and Public Safety Committee meeting later in the month. This has set off a firestorm of sorts. From the Hour:

“Let’s be blunt. In South Norwalk, it doesn’t feel safe. People there are constantly complaining that they don’t feel safe,” Geake said. Bringing in the Guardian Angels “is basically to have eyes on the street. Let’s face it, crime and drug dealing flourishes when nobody is looking.

“I really believe (the Guardian Angels) are needed, because one of the problems police have is the community really doesn’t want to get involved. When things happen, they don’t want to talk to the police,” Geake said. “And this is the sort of group that gets the neighborhoods involved.”

Well, let’s put some facts on the table. South Norwalk is a big place, and most of it is entirely safe. Rowayton, for example, is in South Norwalk. I’m sure the denizens of the Peoples Republic of Rowayton don’t have a problem talking to the police when criminal activity, like the peeping tom, happen. Unfortunately there are areas of South Norwalk that have higher incidents of criminal activity. You can start at the Police station, work your way down Woodward and discover drug dealers selling off the street without too much effort. Funny how the out of town BMW driving latte drinking buyers never seem to get picked up for possession. But back to the story:

Moccia and Rilling aren’t pleased.

While acknowledging crime exists in Norwalk, they labeled Geake’s invitation to Sliwa to speak to the committee as premature, and the prospect of Guardian Angels members patrolling Norwalk streets as problematic.

“I’m not quite sure what the purpose serves. I think it sends a message that we can’t take care of our city,” Moccia said. “Our police do a good job and I think if Curtis Sliwa wanted to just come and visit the city and learn what we’re doing is one thing. But coming to start the Guardian Angels, I don’t think it’s the right way to go.”

“What would Curtis Sliwa or what would they (Guardian Angels) do that we can’t do now?” Moccia added.

Talk of bringing the Guardian Angels to Norwalk comes four months after 17-year-old Tykwan Hunt was stabbed to death following a house party, and after a number of shootings and multiple undercover narcotics investigations that have netted small amounts of heroin, as well as crack and powder cocaine.

Rilling, who has estimated that 5 percent of Norwalk’s youth have affiliations to gangs, said Norwalk, like other communities, is experiencing juvenile crime and an increase in violent crime. The police chief said the appropriate responses are strong neighborhood watch programs and providing “opportunities for young people to channel their energies.” Bringing in the Guardian Angels, he continued, would “send the wrong message.”

“It’s going to make it sound like Norwalk is an undesirable community and it is not,” Rilling said.

The Guardian Angels have had mixed results in Connecticut. 16 years ago they appeared in New Haven as part of the greater community based policing effort. The threat of a looming civil rights law suit ended their involvement. More recently they partnered with Yeshiva of New Haven to patrol Edgewood Park. As an armed patrol. Needless to say, that proved to be quite controversial. Since this happened last year we can look back and see what happened. By January of this year, the Edgewood Defense Patrol took credit for a drop in crime, while the New Haven police department released statistics that showed that crime dropped throughout the city, with the biggest drop in the Edgewood area. From the New Haven Independent:

Patrol organizer Eli Greer credited those patrols — along with the work of other neighborhood groups, including the management team — with producing the dramatic drop in crime. (The patrollers put down their guns on Nov. 27.)

“We weren’t going to let the two Cs — the cops and the criminals — become a distraction,” Greer said Wednesday evening. The patrols, he said, “set a very clear marker for the administration — and for the criminals. There was a boundary this neighborhood wouldn’t tolerate.”

City Chief Administrative Officer Rob Smuts (pictured) said “good policing” made the difference.“We looked at what was happening in the district and responded appropriately” with more patrols, he said. The formation of the citizens patrol led the city to return cops to walking beats in Edgewood.

“I wouldn’t want to” downplay the “positive impact” that neighborhood groups had in helping to cut crime in District 10, Smuts said. But, he added, “they were patrolling for only a limited time, so I wouldn’t want to exaggerate [the impact] either.”

Citywide, crime dropped citywide, except for a jump in shootings. (Click here to read about that.)

Looking at crime stats is what helps drive rapid response to areas where criminal activity takes place. It’s a policing method, coupled with community based policing that can work effectively. Blanket statements about crime and safety in Norwalk, don’t move the discussion towards the nitty gritty of manpower, budget and patrols. It’s a worthy question to ask, as economically Norwalk seeks to diversify the tax rolls by encouraging tourism, jobs and retail. And the Guardian Angels don’t delve into the policy aspect. For that we may need Charlie’s Angels.

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source: The Hour, Guardian Angel invited to Norwalk, By ROBERT KOCH, May 7, 2008

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57 Responses so far “Norwalk: Angels & Then Some”


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  • 1 city girl // May 7, 2008 at 11:06 am

    great idea—we need something done about the crime spree that has taken over Norwalk.

  • 2 Lindsay // May 7, 2008 at 11:27 am

    I live in South Norwalk on a street that runs between Woodward (gross) and Quintard(beautiful). While I dont feel unsafe, I do see a lot of youths “hanging around”, because they have no parental supervision and they have nothing to do. Theyre bored. Theres needs to be activities to keep them off the street and their parents need to take interest in their whereabouts. Take a drive down my street in the evening youll see them all sitting around. Im not afraid that they will hurt me, but my nextdoor neighbors home was burgarlized a few weeks ago, Im more afraid of them breaking into my house or my car. If the police could patrol the area more often it might keep them off the street but it wont prevent them from engaging in questionable activities.

  • 3 anon // May 7, 2008 at 11:28 am

    I like the idea of the armed patrols.

  • 4 anon again // May 7, 2008 at 11:57 am

    I think that the Mayor and Rilling should attend this meeting and hear what is being said. Thats not to say that we should adopt them and let them set up their organization but perhaps they have some good ideas that Norwalk can use. Having the Mayor and the chief or anyone else just ignore them or become angry over this, they should welcome the input and take from this meeting what they want and maybe start a community task force to enhance our police officers jobs. While people like to trash the police because they are doing their job and little Suzie or little Johnny got caught with their hands in the cookie jar so to speak the knee jerk reaction seems to be to blame the police for focusing on those people just because. If parents would stop the mentality that their kids are angels and really look at what they are doing, maybe things would change. After all is said and done its always the police that are at fault and not the ones committing the crimes. When are we as a community going to start talking to these kids and teaching them right from wrong instead of hiring expensive attorney’s to get them a slap on the hand? I live in an area of Norwalk which is considered upscale and I see these teens out at all hours of the night and often wonder, “where are the parents”? Why can’t we take a realistic approach to the problems and realize that when persuaded by their peers, many teens will follow the leader.

  • 5 ENO // May 7, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    I live in East Norwalk on the way to the beach. I welcome any imput and ideas to help with the crime in this area. During the summer we expect to have increased traffic and the problems that come with it. However in the 5 years we have lived here we have had 2 cars stolen, 1 car broken into and my neighbor was carjacked in the middle of the day. We need to have something done. Community watches? Angels? Increased patrols? I will gladly listen to anyone that has ideas.

  • 6 Me // May 7, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    I too agree, why can’t the mayor & police chief & even council persons come to the meeting & listen to what the Curtis Silwa has to say? No one said that they were going to start a group, he is just going to talk about the Guardian Angles, that’s it. Man, get a life, if talking helps, if we can listen & learn how to become a better citizen, then doesn’t it mean that we need to hear him out? Seems like there are alot of ‘holier than though’ people in Norwalk nowadays.

  • 7 Anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    Curtis knows a little about Norwalk.He was invited here by Colonial Village residents about 17 years ago.

  • 8 Anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Living in East Norwalk is becoming a health hazzard. Between the bars on Van Zant and the pot holes its getting crazy.

  • 9 anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Hell’s Angels did a good job keeping the Rolling Stones safe.

  • 10 Anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    In all honesty I think the city officials should look at this for what it is. Mr. Geak as chair of his committee has asked Sliwa to come and talk to his group and give some ideas that the city could look at and not get up in arms about it. If we look at all avenues maybe putting them all together can do some good.

  • 11 Anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    I think Rilling should arrest Mr. Geake for the stupid suggestion.

  • 12 MGeake // May 7, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Ah, so much for the First Amendment!!!

  • 13 Anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Kudos to you Mike for taking some initiative! Good luck!

  • 14 Anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    #11-what a dumb thing to say.

  • 15 Anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Who’s next: Al Sharpton?

  • 16 Anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Oh hell noooooooo

  • 17 anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Screw the First Amendment. Hooray for the 2nd. I feel safe.

  • 18 dawn // May 7, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    When is this meeting? And I agree. No one should feel threatened by ideas. Thee is obviously a problem and it is going to take a lot of people and a lot of different things to fix it. First and foremost you have to send the message that this is no longer tolerated. How better to do it then have a very obvious presence of crime stoppers.

  • 19 anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Where are Harry Callahan, Dexter, and David Berkowitz when you need them?

  • 20 MGeake // May 7, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    The committee meeting is always 7:30pm on the 4th Thursday of the month in the Health Department. Mr. Sliwa is tentatively planning to be at the May 22nd meeting, but I am still waiting for final confirmation.

  • 21 new Norwalker // May 7, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Clearly, there are problems in South Norwalk. Many of the problems seem endemic. So much so that a police officer thought he could take his life and regardless of the evidence to the contrary many Norwalkers believed (and some probably still believe) S. Norwalk was so dangerous that in all likelihood he was killed. I live in the same area as #2 Lindsay and agree wholeheartedly w/his/her remarks. I suggest that something on the order of what happened to Southfield Village in Stamford be implemented in Norwalk. That means getting HUD and State grants, something that the City of Norwalk seems to be getting a little better at (Norwalk gets approx. 1/100th the amount of grants Stamford receives). Locating so many housing projects in a relatively densely populated and narrow area undoubtedly was foolish-though perhaps expected in a NIMBY environment. Another idea would be to rewrite the City constitution and get rid of these silly taxing districts that simply create the make believe world that we’re a little village instead of a large urban area.

  • 22 anonymous // May 7, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    Wouldn’t the armed Army National Guard be much more effective in South Norwalk. They have made Grand Central and the subways much safer since their arrival there.

  • 23 ex-cop // May 7, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Any increased patrol should be helpful. Sliwa is very good at self-promotion and relies on local people to do the patrolling. It might be interesting to see how many local volunteers are willing to get involved at that level.
    The city would probably get more benefit from better use of high tech, remote controlled, security cameras, monitored to some extent by civilian volunteers at the police station. There is no harm in listening to Sliwa, but I expect he will make a media event out of his visit which will not do much good for Norwalk, or Mr G.

  • 24 Lindsay // May 7, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    I would be involved in community programs or events, but I would not feel comfortable patrolling the area. I just think that should be left to the police or people trained to handle potentially dangerous situations. I dont feel comfortable approaching the loiterers and telling them to move. Im not scary enough :)

  • 25 MeToo // May 7, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    If you were 1 of 3 people walking a beat together, you would be scary enough then, right? Think about it, why don’t you.

  • 26 barnstorm // May 7, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    The Guardian Angels have always faced an uphill battle (and little respect) from the official purveyors of law enforcement. It becomes a turf war between the police and the Angels. Moccia & Rilling don’t like to lose that fight any more than Mayor Koch did 20 years ago in NYC.

    I work in South Norwalk, and frequently see things and sometimes hear gunfire (as I did today). Yes, there needs to be more of a prescence down there, and an empty police van parked in Meadow Gardens just won’t make it.

    Don’t know if the Angels will be much help, but I commend Mr Geake for at least exploring all the options.

  • 27 MGeake // May 7, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Lindsay: Should the Guardian Angels decide to form a Norwalk chapter, they’ll have needs other than the street patrols. The Brockton Enterprise has an excellent series of articles on the formation of a Guardian Angels chapter there. What I find interesting — and encouraging — is that they only accepted three of the fifty applicants.

  • 28 Anonymous // May 8, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Lindsay did you ever think the Angels would simply walk to the corner store on woodward and Meadow with one of our seniors from your area on by Quintard ave? There was a stabbing there at the store last friday round 7 still light out and very comfortbale for some to still be on the streets.Before that a car two weeks ago had its back window shot out as it sat in front of that very same store.

    Its nice to see walkers around shore front park but numerous armed robberies on Burritt and Lincoln tells a lot of residents there its not safe top walk at dusk.Not to long ago a man was shot in his house on Lincoln ave that was 4 weeks ago.

    I don’t think the group has been clearly defined as what they do until the gravity of the situation has been realized by all.Most of the crime does center around the stores tucked away in the neighborhoods if not the owners its the customers being robbed.Another case in point last sat night an owner had a gun held to his face and the perp pulled the trigger and misfired that was last sat night.How many people does anyone think that store service?

    When most of our crimes are taking only minutes for our officers to respond to having some one there to say what they looked like and what house they may of gone into is a start isn’t it?

    eyes and ears not someone who is going to interfere with law enforcement.Some one to escort a child home from the library to their house is a great safety net for the kid who has to use out public resources yet sometimes can’t becuase there isn’t anyone to make sure the child gets home.

    So much to learn so little time our streets need taking back thats what we have our police for now we need someone to help the kids on the street survive daily life when most people who live in Norwalk take for granted they don’t really think about resources for other children.There are many again who survive on the corner store the cab to stop and shop is 6 gallons of milk for some.

    If we start thinking about the people and not our image as a city we may be better off to understand who is being effected by crime.There are a lot of stores laundermats churches places where residents walk to on the lower half of South main st so to expect the streets to be vacant at night so no one falls prey and becomes a victim is nonsense.

    Has anyone ever thought having someone like an Angel who can speak spanish and translate for the officer would help or eliminate precious time to catch a crimminal?

    We need to hear from some of the victims out here and their stories then maybe for some they would realize what the problems have been and continue to be each night for everyone city wide this is not just a South Norwalk problem anymore.

  • 29 Concerned Mother // May 8, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    This is ironic, as I just sent a letter to the police and the mayor on Sunday. My 19 year old sun and his friends were thrown out of the movie theater in SoNo by a police officer. One of the young guys was pushed around by an officer, after he asked her why she was questioning them about their waiting in the lobby. The mayor’s comment was that the police doesn’t want people hanging around in the lobby. Even if they have a ticket? That’s just ridiculous. The response from the deputy police officer was that they would look into the incident. So far I haven’t heard anything, but I told him that I would like to see more sensibility applied when police deal with young people.

    It’s not always the “bad” or dangerous teenagers who get targeted by our police. A program like the Guardian Angels could help patrol the movie theater lobby, rather than having the movie theater company pay the police to do that. Any comments?

  • 30 anonymous // May 8, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Did the police officer decide to kick them out on his own or was he doing so at the request of management? Read the back of your movie ticket. The theatre reserves the right to deny admittance and remove ticket holders from the premises.

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