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The Real Measure Of Economic Strength


by turfgrrl


April 16th, 2008 · 18 Comments

The Hour is reporting on the legislative outlook as expressed by varying state legislators at a Norwalk Chamber of Commerce breakfast conference. The views fell along a typical tax less/spend more philosophy.

Asked what value the state’s residents derive by paying high taxes, state Rep. Lawrence Cafero, R-142, Minority Leader, called the tax burden in Connecticut a “sad fact.”

In addition to the amount of taxes paid, Cafero noted that in a ranking by Expansion Management Magazine on the “business friendliness” of the country’s 50 state legislatures, Connecticut ranked last, as well.

“We are sending a message,” said Cafero, and the message is, “don’t come to Connecticut, don’t expand your businesses.”

Cafero said members of the General Assembly must collectively change their mindset into realizing the spending they authorize affects the amount of taxes paid, and the level of taxation affects the quality of life in Connecticut. Otherwise, he said, “we will be heading on a downward slope.”

State Sen. Bob Duff, D-25, Majority Whip, said he thought one reason for high taxes in the state is because its citizens demand a lot of services and a “quality of life that is second to none.”

Duff said in recent years the legislature has improved its accountability of spending, “making sure we’re getting the most bang for our buck.”

Disagreeing with Duff, state Sen. John McKinney, R-Newtown/Fairfield, said taxes are high “because the legislature doesn’t know how to say no.”

McKinney, the Senate Minority Leader, said with the economy turning sour, every family and every business in the state is trying to do more with less, “but we don’t do that in Hartford, and it’s time we had a change.”

State Rep. James A. Amann, Speaker of the House, said the comments by the other panelists offered too much doom and gloom.

Mentioning what he sees as positive developments in state government, Amann said the legislature has produced balanced budgets the last four years with minimal tax increases.

There is a way to objectively look at whether Connecticut, as State Senator Bob Duff says, is delivering services that provide a quality of life second to none; or as State Rep Larry Cafero says, Connecticut is heading down a downwards slope.

That objective look is to see where young people are choosing to live, work and play. On that measure, Connecticut is look like many of its graying New England neighbours. Connecticut is losing out to other states where services that matter to young entrepreneurs and workers matter. The Connecticut legislature has neglected transportation infrastructure, information technology infrastructure and communication infrastructure. The decisions that come out of Hartford reflect 19th century thinking, not 21st century thinking.

Turning around this state economicly is going to take more than the tired old arguments about taxing and spending. However the most innovative legislation passed has been the film credit tax bill, which is spuring economic development, like the recent plan to build the largest studio production facility outside of Hollywood in Stratford. Yet, typing that tax credit to economic incubation and expansion needs more work. Where are the ties to strengthening the Connecticut workforce to engage in the creative arts economy that fuels the entertainment industry? That, admittedly, is just one aspect. The larger issue should be how to get from 169 fiefdoms to regional cost efficiencies. Spend tax dollars if you must, but do it in the way that regional cost benefits and sharing streamline operations and eliminate duplicative efforts. In short, use a business approach to spending, rather than the political bickerfest that we get now.

It’s too bad that our area legislators are focusing on the wrong questions.

source: The Hour, Lawmakers mull state’s high tax burden, April 16, 2008

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18 Responses so far “The Real Measure Of Economic Strength”



  • 1 discipulus Martellus // Apr 16, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    I would argue that the biggest reason recent college graduates move out of Connecticut, and especially out of the Bridgeport-Stamford metro area, is because of the high housing costs.

  • 2 Anonymous // Apr 16, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    what annual event has been canceled in Sono this year and did it add anything to the tax coffers or was it a chartiable event?

  • 3 Aunt Bertha // Apr 16, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    At one time we were one of the only states where there were no state income taxes. At the same time people were given tax credit for sending their children to Catholic Schools. Now, if you want to send your child to college and you make a good salary $80,000 plus and have a spouse who makes about the same you qualify for little. If you send your child out of state they become familiar with the tax breaks of other states and the housing market and the job market. One can also point out it is an easier commute in other states-I95 and Route 15 are congested and often under construction. It is a bunch of reasons as to why our children are going elsewhere to settle.

  • 4 old-timer // Apr 16, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Not just young people. The taxes on my house are about a quarter of what I paid for it, a long time ago. The taxes keep going up, but most retirement incomes don’t. Aunt Bertha talks about families with $160,000 income. Most retired people I know don’t see a fraction of that, and taxes take a very large bite. It would be interesting to see how many retired people either have to go back to work or sell out and move someplace cheaper.

  • 5 Anonymous // Apr 16, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Thats what the city developers are counting on #4 that you will move.The city has become less desirable to buy in so the market is ripe for developers.Takes years to build after they buy the method to their madness.

  • 6 Anonymous // Apr 16, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Young people don’t want to come to CT because of oppressive taxation, high housing costs, and traffic congestion. By subsidizing housing, it creates an artificially inflated housing cost. Without subsidies, who would pay 2000-2500 per month to live in public housing. By reducing or eliminating subsidized housing, those who cannot afford to live here would move elsewhere, eventually reducing the demand for housing, and subsequently the cost of housing would go down to meet the demand. If the state would expand I-95, the Merritt Parkway, and finish the Super 7, this would ease congestion. And yes, people who retire may not be able to afford to stay in Fairfield County. Such is the nature of the free market economy. For generations, people have had to move to different parts of the country when they retire, can’t find work, or can’t afford to buy land. This is part of what led to the expansion of the United States from the 13 Colonies.

  • 7 fed up // Apr 16, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    the film tax credit is the biggest scam on the planet aside from the EITC.

    You and I reimburse film production companies 30%!!!! of what they spend in the state. 30%!!! they spend $500k, they get back $150k, not a bad deal. If they paid full sales tax on all of that $500k it would be $30k, so they get back $120K extra. Some hotel taxes would bring that down a little but let’s get real.

    How long could you stay in business rebating 30% of every purchase to your customers.

    People leave CT because there is absolutely no reason to stay other than family ties.

  • 8 Anonymous // Apr 16, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    do you think this will hurt Norwalk?

    Turning a vacant manufacturing complex on the Housatonic River in Stratford into what could be the largest independent movie studio in the country is a grand economic development vision.

    But Allen Christopher, who heads an investment group, said Tuesday that his plans to build more than 30 soundstages in Stratford are more than just a vision: The money is already lined up and ready to go.

    Christopher is a New Haven media entreprenuer who leads Hollywood East/Area 51, which has been chosen by the federal government as the winning bidder in an auction for the 1.7-million-square-foot Stratford Army Engine Plant. The winning bid was $9.2 million.

    It was such a nice ribbon cutting event before the election trust its not going away real soon.

  • 9 Charles the Hammer // Apr 17, 2008 at 7:36 am

    While housing costs increase, governmentmental expenditures for “new” programs seem boundless.

    Check out yesterday’s Hour, where BMHS students were surveying illegal immigrants on the street in SONO. The gist was that the “day workers” need “better” health care benefits, housing, and wages. Spell that as TAX INCREASE.

    The fact is that illegal immigration is one way that wages are depressed for legal workers. Illegal immigrants also drive up housing rates by increasing demand for low cost housing. As for health care, shouldn’t we deal with the needs of legitimiate citizens first?

    Finally, is it just me, or does it seem outrageously inappropriate for high school kids to be engaged in contact with lawbreakers, quizzing them about their “mental” and “sexual” health?

  • 10 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 7:44 am

    If F***ed Up has a problem maybe F***ed Up should bring it up with his handlers at City Hall. They’re the ones who’ve dropped trou for the film industry. Even as far as Dicky da Moke saying no permit fee is needed! Trust me, babe, I don’t need a raincoat, and I’ll respect you in the morning too.

  • 11 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 10:13 am

    What would happen if Americans went to Mexico, Cuba, or any other country illegally and demanded free medical care, education for their children, and worked under the table without paying taxes???

  • 12 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 10:30 am

    To be honest with you, I’ve done that, and I’m sure many other Americans have as well. The benefit of being in a situation like that means a first-hand knowledge of what it’s like to be an illegal alien and all the difficulties that accompany being in that situation. To be sure, I made that choice.

    You can’t blame people for wanting a better life. The problem isn’t with them. It’s with the do-nothing policies that the government has put in place that enables the problem to exist in the first place: lack of enforcement, and an attitude of appeasing the special interests who would be devastated economically if the vast pool of cheap labor were suddenly removed.

  • 13 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 10:31 am

    #11 They would send them to Norwalk we are giving it away.The other cities aroud here are cracking down and they are all heading here.Mocccia has 400 summer jobs why would any business pay money cover insurance and declare whats going on when you can get labor by the day cheap and now under the table from 50 washington st Norwalk.

    World is full of stupid bastards running our country problem we are having in Norwalk is we don’t have to look far.

  • 14 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    The Advocate reports Moccia didn’t know Duff and Perone wants special Tax District for Reed and Putnam site.Norwalk was left out of the conversation the Advocate reports.The Hour has dropped the ball and the Norwalk city team didn’t even show up to play.Mayor doesn’t recall any coversation with Spinaker.

    This all sounds like we don’t need a mayor anymore we have Spinaker running the show and Perrone and Duff seem comfortable with that.

    What the hell is going on not even the blog has picked up on it or was it a misprint by the Advocate?

    Pick up the Advocate and read it for yourselves it actually reported an exclusive.Maybe its going to be good for the city but I would of thought the people who run the city would be on the same page Spinaker,Duff,Perronea,and sometimes Moccia.

  • 15 turfgrrl // Apr 17, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    The idea of a special taxing district in SoNo has been talked about by City officials for many years. The conversation does need to be between property owners and the City, it takes ratification by property owners, 2/3 btw to make a district. Madison Marquette, previous large property owner had no interest.
  • 16 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    When you have Norwalks redevelopment director Timothy Sheehan wondering who is advocating this as well maybe its time to let us all in on it as well and see what the wording is at the state level at least. Would of it been prudent to ask anyone in city hall?

  • 17 turfgrrl // Apr 17, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    I sincerely doubt that Tom Sheehan is unaware of the logistics of a special taxing district in SoNo.
  • 18 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    The article in The Advocate didn’t say he didn’t know logistics he simply said he had no idea who was advocating it.It most likely was a damage control statement, his boss had no clue either.It was the way it was done not the subect itself.It would be great if it helps Norwalk just would of been nice to hear about it from the city and not The Advocate first.Good reporting made it apparrent no one knows who is on first.

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