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Norwalk: Diesel Fule Approaching $5 A Gallon


by turfgrrl


April 14th, 2008 · 43 Comments

If anyone is pumping Diesel fuel at the gas station these days, they have seen peaks of $4.50 a gallon. Experts are predicting that could hit $5 a gallon very soon. Which means that when contracts are up on the fuel contracts that the BOE has in the next year, sticker shock will be an understatement. Which is why the BOE needs to reevaluate its school bus routes and plan for better fuel efficiencies.

Part of that planning process had better include the parents. For some reason in the last decade or so, parents have collectively decided that door to door kid transportation is necessary. Whatever happened to kids walking to school? Or walking to the bus stop?

Suburban thinking since the 80’s has been short on community building. All those decisions to close neighbourhood schools, exempt sidewalk requirements for all streets, and subsidize new housing in rural areas are now coming home to roost.

Money Magazine Reports:

How soaring fuel prices hurt kids

Across the nation, school districts are slashing spending on teachers, books and computers as filling up the school bus tank gets more expensive.

By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: April 10, 2008: 1:32 PM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The school buses in Dubuque County, Iowa, travel 4,900 miles each day ferrying kids to and from class. That’s the equivalent of driving across the entire U.S. and halfway back again.

The diesel these busses run on has jumped 35 percent over the last year. The extra money paid to fuel the busses must come out of the local school district’s general fund - money it would prefer to spend on other things.

“It’s computers, it’s teachers, it’s you name it,” said Bob Hingtgen, director of transportation at Western Dubuque County Community School District, located 65 north of Iowa City. “The pie is only so big. If a bigger slice is going to transportation, it leaves a smaller slice for everything else.”

Hingtgen said the district spent $50,000 more fueling its 80 busses this year than it did last year, or roughly what he said it would cost for two teachers starting salaries.

Although the effect of the rising price of fuel on school funding hasn’t gotten much attention from national school administration organizations, administrators working in school systems across the country are already feeling the impact.

Being proactive here might save a few dollars, but also bring some long term strategic thinking in what policies should change to adapt to higher transportation costs.

Tags: Economy · Education · Norwalk

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  • 1 J Halderman // Apr 14, 2008 at 8:23 am

    I was driving in the outer area of a Norwalk Neighborhood last week and was behind a school bus that stopped to let 2 kids off to meet their parents who were waiting for them on the side of the road. The bus started up and drove about another 150-200 feet up the road and stopped again to let of 2-3 kids as their parents waited for them. This went on for about a mile or so with a stop every 200 feet or so. This had traffic stopping in both directions which burns up gas, causes an unnecessary danger of a traffic accident, and also must cause much higher use of diesel fuel not to mention wear and tear on the bus. Is it not possible that the parents could wait 75 feet from their driveways so that 2 stops could be made into one? It is no wonder that today our children are in such poor physical shape. This is not bus service this is Limousine service at the taxpayer’s expense.

  • 2 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 9:21 am

    What you saw was probably correct J, In South Norwalk we have the most sexual predators every block or so , we also have the homeless shelter and the methadone clinic we are full of whacko’s that prey on our children so yes most of us have our kids dropped off within site of our streets.

    The problem is most of the city has hand me down problems that are invisible to the rest of you people who have no clue. While you were waiting for the kids to get off the bus were you in South Norwalk? If you were did you ever wonder what it would feel like without your car and be on foot?

    Try it sometime park your car and walk woodward ave onto meadow where 100s of kids live and take the bus get a feel for your city streets there. Enjoy the area for whats it worth and plan on seeing the ER shortly after at the Norwalk hospital they are great trauma speacialists.

    This weekend the hospital took care of many victims sewing them up injuries from broken bottles the new weapon of choice . The blood did flow freely this weekend something every Norwalker should know about.

    Our kids are in great shape everywhere they go they run from fear we may have a new class of world sprinters by the time Moccia gets through with our city.

  • 3 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 9:28 am

    FOR GOD’S SAKE GIVE IT A REST, MR. G. WE ARE ALL SICK OF YOUR NARCISSISTIC CRIME RANTS. THIS IS A TOPIC ABOUT THE PRICE OF DIESEL FUEL.

  • 4 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 9:36 am

    what about the price of gas? The way the cruisers used gas this weekend one has to admit they consumed twice as much racing around city responding to the the gunshots and and assaults all weekend. We saw fire trucks for the good part of 2 hours last night driving around the city as well suppose we will see a very large increase in fuel bills in the city.

  • 5 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Be interesting to find out how much the ambulance’s are consuming as well during a week long service to the city their fuel tanks are at least 50 gallons or so.They fill up every day imagine over 300 gallons a week.One could wonder how much fuel we use each week for our emergency vehicles alone.

  • 6 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 10:32 am

    #2-We can’t blame everything on the Mayor. Why are these kids out at night and not home with their families? Blaming the Mayor is not going to fix this problem. Parents need to start taking a hands on approach to their kids and know where they are are and where they are going and what time they will be home. The Mayor cannot control the fact that these kids leave home at night and go God knows where. The parents are doing their kids a huge disservice by not being accountable for their whereabouts. What happened to family time and family outings? Why can’t the parenst start looking after their kids? 13-17 year old kids do not belong hanging in the streets. Take them to the movies or sign them up at the Y. Give them a place to go. I know some families can’t afford to send their kids places sometimes but maybe the Y has discounted pricing for those who can’t afford it. Yes, the Mayor is in charge of the city, but he is not in charge of parental duties.

  • 7 anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 11:26 am

    #2-move

  • 8 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Enough with the police reports. Turf do something please.

  • 9 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Kids should walk more. The problem is that it’s not safe to walk on the streets.

  • 10 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Most U.S. ambulances are built using a Ford chassis with a 6.0-liter, International diesel engine, but supplies of it have now dried up.

    Fire trucks and ambulances run on diesel because it is optimal for the truck idling for several hours at the scene of a fire and for hauling all the weight of a fire vehicle or ambulance. Police cars are high performance vehicles designed to pursue and overtake almost any other vehicle on the road. Hybrid and alternative fuels are not good for high performance vehicles. All these vehicles are high performance and are designed specifically to carry out a specific task. Switching to hybrid technology and alternative fuels could cause problems with vehicle performance. Why fix it if its not broken?

    of course there are new developments in the deisel area that still need to be perfected.

  • 11 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    The reports on fuel consumption in any city is based on workload and distance covered. Whats Norwalk’s square mile area of service?

    lets go back to the original posting forget safety? Its hard to do when the BOE has standards on bus stops for Norwalk .

    parents have collectively decided that door to door kid transportation is necessary.

    I would suggest to go back to the rules yes Norwalk has them , so many feet from loading docks ect that should be discussed if you want the thread to be productive.

    You can’t have one without the other, rules for bus stops and safety its just too bad others don’t see beyond their screen and realize there are specific parameters the BOE has put in place along with the safety officer of the Norwalk police dept and the Ct DOT. Crosswalks state roads and commercial settings all determine when a bus can stop and when a bus cannot.

    Of course it would help if all the crossing gaurds would be able to be at thier posts when school gets out then maybe some of your intermittent bus stops where safety not fuel consumption is the goal would be eliminated.

    I guess adding that bus stops with known convicted sexual offenders live in Norwalk has always been the issue for some bus stops where our number is in the 100’s of offenders would make me one of the assholes who care only about the kids and crime and not #3 postings.

    rules change the but first figure out what they are first before sugestions fly that the kids and the parents are to blame. I’m glad #6 has indormed parents what they need to do without that Norwalks parents would be lost.

    It was obvious the mayor was being thanked for world class sprinters no one said he was the blame for anything.

    Lets not forget as many as four busses stop at the same spot in most areas of the city to pick up 4 sets of high school kids for four high schools maybe consolidation of routes between all the schools would be a start. Thats a suggestion without picking on the mayor, parents or children see if we can find a way to suggest and not point the finger at others who have no control over the city we may be a better city.

  • 12 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Most sexual abuse comes from family members. According to your paranoia then parents shouldn’t be at bus stops. Better have the government step in.

  • 13 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    FOR GOD’S SAKE GIVE IT A REST, MR. G. WE ARE ALL SICK OF YOUR NARCISSISTIC CRIME RANTS. THIS IS A TOPIC ABOUT THE PRICE OF DIESEL FUEL.

    I don’t think #12 #8 #7 #3 is adds much to
    Diesel Fule Approaching $5 A Gallons

    school bus routes and plan for better fuel efficiencies

    Whatever happened to kids walking to school?

    Or walking to the bus stop?

    closed neighbourhood schools

    exempt sidewalk requirements for all streets

    The extra money paid to fuel the busses must come out of the local school district’s general fund - money it would prefer to spend on other things.

    but also bring some long term strategic thinking in what policies should change to adapt to higher transportation costs

    how dare anyone suggest consolidation of bus routes that is way out of line.

    What was the topic anyway?

  • 14 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Turfie, do us all a huge favor and ban Mr. G from this blog. You’re losing people because nobody wants to scroll through his endless and irrelevant rants. Or give him his own playpen where he can be irrelevant to his heart’s content.

  • 15 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    # 6 the 13 through 17 year olds are the ones having the kids thats why.

  • 16 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    Whatever happened to kids walking to school?

    Our kids are on the bus for two hours once going once coming from school we live 10 minutes from the school so what are we suppose to do?

    In the SR2S vernacular, parental concerns about safety have as much to do with “stranger danger” — the chance that a child walking to school will be snatched off the sidewalk by a complete stranger — as a fear of traffic. In the United States, the actual incidence of stranger danger is decreasing; the number of kids kidnapped by strangers nationwide in 2002 was 115, down from 200 in 1988. “But when you’re dealing with gut-level fears, there’s not much you can do,” Kallins said. “The whole level of fear in our culture is increasing.” She describes one father who attended an SR2S meeting: “‘With my pretty blue-eyed daughter,’ he said, ‘I’m convinced she will be the one.’”

    Child-abduction terrors exploit the gap between perception and reality. They also reinforce a logical fallacy — “I won’t let my kids walk because it’s not safe; it’s not safe because there aren’t enough people walking” — that cuts straight to the heart of pedestrian and bike advocacy. In the late 1960s, 90 percent of children who lived within a mile of their school walked or biked. Today, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 31 percent of such kids do so. Instead, working parents drive their kids two blocks to school to save time, then spend 5 to 10 minutes circling the building to find a safe place to drop them off — a description that fits not only my neighbor across the street but also thousands of other parents across the country. Then there’s the mother who smashed a kid in the face as she was opening the door of her SUV to drop off her own child.

    Of course we in Norwalk experience very little crime so let the kids walk a mile for a camel.

    odd how there is no bike rack at our kids school so there is one more of my suggestions put in a bike rack at schools.

    what about it #14 you seem like your not likely to suggest anything to save on fuel today or suggest any safety issues surrounding walking to school.

  • 17 Please stop! // Apr 14, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    It is time to ban Mr G. from this blog. He is abusing the courtesy afforded him and everyone else to be brief and to the point. I used to check in every day, now its like once a week, and it’s all MR. G. ALL THE TIME. Does anyone know this guy and be able to talk to him, and ask him kindly to lay low for awhile? He has gone manic on us, and ruins every post. You would think Norwalk is all about crime and lack of police. It is about so much more, and many people I know have given up on this blog because of ONE PERSON’S inablity to control himself. It is worse than diarrhea. And it is not amusing anymore.

  • 18 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    That was good #17 I logged on to see how we could conserve fuel and change some policies. Bike racks and consolidation of routes sound good.I thought those were great ideas.

    Exempt sidewalk requirements meaning not having to make contractors put in sidewalks in developments is that what was meant?

  • 19 nwlknative // Apr 14, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    It might help the fuel situation if the school buses were full instead of running with a few students on them. I see it every day - especially at NHS. At least fourteen buses waiting for students - how many are actually full when they leave the school. I also see many, many students taking public transportation after the school buses have left. Is the BOE paying for this transportation? Cars are lined up on County Street and Strawberry Hill Ave. in the morning with parents dropping students off and students driving to school. Many of these are the same students who are counted when school bus routes are made up. It is truly a waste of money to have these buses running with so few students on them.

    Then you have the students who ride the school bus, get off and walk to the County Mall or Dunkin Donuts because they have open end - or are just skipping classes. They are perfectly capable of walking a half mile to someplace they want to go, but not to a bus stop? I don’t think it is any more dangerous to have them walking in South Norwalk than Westport Avenue. Predators will go where the children are - no matter the location.

  • 20 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    your talking high school kids #19 I think the thought is the elementry kids who have to walk by or stand near the methadone clinic or homeless shelter.Can’t blame you for suggesting they walk your correct in saying they can walk there they can walk to school.But if you look at the registry of abusers they are all in South Norwalk. Parents are given a list in the beginning of the year and only but a dozen live outside the S Norwalk area.

    Respecting you don’t know go visit those areas of concern in the morning see the hundreds of kids who come from the three housing courts and show me on westport ave the same number of kids. Meadow gardens, Carlton court and Washington village those busses are filled.

    You simply can’t argue where the most trouble and guns are and the most past offenses have occurred in the city. westport ave is like Disney World compared to Woodward and South Main st day or night.

    I do agree about the busses don’t they have half busses shorter than the large ones available to students as well.The T on wilson ave also have programs for students they find a way home after late day or night activities as you said the older students could walk but not the younger ones.

  • 21 fed up // Apr 14, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Wouldn’t it be better to see what we could do to drop the price of diesel fuel?

    Diesel is the least refined of all motor fuels and therefore should be the least expensive. Instead, it is the most expensive due to supply and demand. It is refined at the same places as the gasoline that you use and there is a much higher demand for gasoline than diesel so more gasoline gets produced.

    In addition to this different states have passed laws mandating different blends of gasoline so the refineries are constantly having to shut down and reformulate for different states, again limiting production of diesel.

    The logical answer, that will also help gasoline consumers, is for Pres Bush to sign an executive order mandating standard blends nationwide. This would save both time and money since there would be less downtime between blend productions for flushing the system. Refineries could make more of each as a result, more supply equals lower cost.

    At the same time, we need to build more refineries to make more fuel. We haven’t built any in 30 years and some have gone offline due to age and/or damage by hurricanes, etc.

    there’s more but I would only upset the greenies on board here.

  • 22 old timer // Apr 14, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Would it help to stop commodity trading in fuel ? If enough traders buy futures for June based on a belief the price will continue to rise, the trading becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and the price for fuel in June rises regardless of production cost. If the production cost goes down and the selling price goes up, traders make tons of money, and we pay more. It is not unusual for tankers to loaf ofshore for days waiting for prices to go up before they dock and unload. A few dollars a barrel is a lot of money in tanker or super tanker quantities.

  • 23 Anonymous // Apr 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    is it possible old timer to barge it in and build our own tank next to the river? Devine takes loads in that way don’t they?

  • 24 old-timer // Apr 16, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Speaking about the Mayor, what is he driving now ? He made a big deal out of getting a hybrid Ford escape because it was so fuel efficient, not enough to overcome the extra cost, but fuel efficient.
    There has been an old white Crown Victoria retired police car in his parking spot. Good car, but far from fuel efficient.

  • 25 Anonymous // Apr 16, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Maybe its a car that is still used by the police and he has a designated driver.

  • 26 Anonymous // Apr 16, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    I think he uses whatever city car is available when the hybrid is in for the extremely expensive maintenance that goes along with operating a hybrid.

  • 27 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 7:49 am

    #24 maybe he bought it from Elwood and Jake. I heard they’re coming out of retirement to join the PD.

  • 28 Anon // Apr 17, 2008 at 9:26 am

    It’s true that hybrids ARE expensive when something DOES need to be done (Honda would have probably been a better bet considering their reliability but this mayor isn’t the one who set up the ongoing relationship the city has with Ford). But considering the amount of driving around town he has to do, the gas savings are probably worth it to the city. Of course his political enemies will always be looking for something to comment on. But while he’s currently driving an older city gas-guzzler, it was probably all that was available and he drives himself, he doesn’t tie up a police officer.

  • 29 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 10:03 am

    The hybrid will take 5 years of service before it makes up for the added initial expense and higher maintenance costs based on 15000 miles per year

  • 30 Anonymous // Apr 17, 2008 at 10:50 am

    The knuckle draggers are hard at work trying to misinform as usual…

    Here’s the scoop on the cost of maintaining a hybrid:

    “Maintenance costs are another decision-making factor, but hybrid maintenance, as long as it is not battery-related, is not that different than maintaining a “regular” car. Most normal mechanics can handle the usual wear and tear issues, and owners of smaller hybrids say that oil changes are less frequent, recommended every 5,000 miles, instead of every 3,000. However, it should be noted that if the manufacturer’s warranty becomes voided, a replacement battery pack can cost as much as $4,000.”

    Some folks would consider spending $4k on tires and wheels for their road hogs as just another upgrade, of course, anyone who considers the whole “green” movement as a vast left-wing conspiracy isn’t going to change their mind, anyway.

    It’s the people who are on the fence and see that hybrids actually might make sense as a less harmful alternative to internal combustion engines that are the ones the right-wingers are so desperately trying to convince.

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