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Norwalk: Another Round Of Good Governance


by turfgrrl


April 4th, 2008 · 31 Comments

What’s this, an oversight committee and public hearing proposed to review the latest Seligson proposal before it gets to the Common Council? From the Hour:

A draft master development agreement spelling out financing and other aspects of Waypointe — local developer Stanley M. Seligson’s plan to revitalize West Avenue — will be released in May and “vetted” by an advisory committee, according to Mayor Richard A. Moccia.

During a press conference at City Hall Thursday afternoon, Moccia outlined his intent to make the draft development agreement available to the public and form a five-member review body to review the document.

“Third-party review is essential considering that this is such a complicated and such a complex document,” Moccia said. “Obviously, the council is going to have to vote on this. But I want to have as much as this in a clear and concise form as possible, and as many questions answered as possible, before it gets to the council.”

Stanley M. Seligson Properties, based at 605 West Ave., is the city’s selected developer for the West Avenue neighborhood. Seligson has dubbed his mixed-use development Waypointe, a reference to its location between uptown and downtown Norwalk, as well as between Boston and New York City.

The approved conceptual site plan for Waypointe calls for filling out the 19.8-acre area bounded by West Avenue, and Chapel and Academy streets with 350 new residential units, 75,000 square feet of office space and 393,174 square feet of new retail space in the core area.

According to Moccia, the city’s negotiating team, which includes attorneys from Robinson & Cole LLP, has informed him the draft agreement is anticipated to be completed in May. At that point, the document will be placed upon the city’s Web site, and hard copies will be made available at public locations.Moccia said he will name a five-member advisory committee comprising business professionals with experience in real estate development, commercial financing and contractual law, to review the draft agreement and advise him “on the appropriateness of advancing the document in its current form to the Common Council or sending it back to the negotiating team for revision of full reconsideration.”

The mayor expressed confidence that such review can be completed within 60 days. He said he will require that one advisory committee sessions allow for public comment and that all meetings be held in public.

“I think the review is necessary, considering the uniqueness of the proposed financing structure and its implications to the city,” Moccia said.

Seligson Properties estimates that infrastructure improvements related to Waypointe will run $134 million to $150 million, and has asked the city to issue $104 million in municipal bonds to pay for roadwork, streetscaping, parking garages and other infrastructure work.

Now maybe we’ll see some of the information resources posted to the city web site like they did for Blue Back Square in West Hartford. Take a look here, West Hartford Blue Back Square.

There’s lots of interesting detail there to see, and we get the luxury of hindsight since the project has been completed. One of the interesting political junkie tid bits about this project, that likely only interests me, is that West Hartford, annually has one of the best voter turn out records in the state. They hover near the 70% turn out. So this town’s residents are engaged and active.   They also are home to a great Vietnamese restaurant too.

We get the government we participate in, so seeing how West Hartford got a great project should be inspiration to how we can do things here in Norwalk. Needless to point out, but having this committee and hearing is the right way to approach this project, and this is day two of good governance coming from City Hall.

source: The Hour,  Waypointe draft agreement in the works, April 4, 2008

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  • 1 Anonymous // Apr 4, 2008 at 10:25 am

    The “problem,” it appears, is the town center’s success, according to West Hartford Mayor Scott Slifka. With public parking at a bit of a premium—on-street spots can be difficult to obtain depending on the day and time, and are metered in most approved locations; a new parking garage charges as much as $7 per day—the people having the most difficulty for the time being are the employees of the many businesses located there.

    Won’t rain on anyones parade and do a look here as well there has been problems there as well there will be time to do that for now lets name a street after Stanley and get it over with.
    Lets not forget the 80 new police officers just hired in West Hartford. I agree plans are on the table but lets not allow the same problems to happen to a less equiped city like Norwalk.Times are not the same the cities are not the same the dyanmaics are not same but the PR can be prove to be a false hope when te cards are stacked against the residents the taxpayers who will be asked to bear the burden on a already stressed city.

  • 2 Anyonymous // Apr 4, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    #1 - Looks like a great opportunity to me! Yes, the world continues to change and grow. Our only other choice is to bury our heads in the sand and continue to let Norwalk deteriorate and talk about what a wonderful town it use to be in 1920.

  • 3 Anonymous // Apr 4, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    The choice to let deteriorate is obvious.I don’t think many are enjoying what Norwalk is now by the sounds of it.That doesn’t mean we are in bad shape but there are things that need to be addressed.

    There are others who are trying to turn Norwalk around with hard work not a bulldozer and lot map.

    There are plenty of people who see Norwalk in a good light they are the ones who work at it on it day by day every day.

    Becuase the mayor had nothing to do with the cleanup day along Norwalks river last weekend and the kids from Fairfeild college and scouts helped its worth mentioning someting got done by good people in Norwalk without a bulldozer.

    We all are thrilled to see the NHHT working for our kids our city too bad we couldn’t see a third day of good governance coming from City Hall.

    Has anything been said at all about this group from city hall? It would be in the best interest to see some widespread support for a change and not isolate the grandstand from others to enjoy.

  • 4 Anon // Apr 4, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Hey Folks….
    You think crime in Norwalk is bad now? Just wait until the population and traffic goes up as a result of these projects! THIS WILL DO NOTHING FOR NORWALK UNLESS THE MAYOR AND HARRY PUT MORE COPS ON THE FORCE. The NPD is so understaffed now….just do a Freedom of Information request to city hall requesting the manpower study done on the dept in the 90’s. NPD needed well over 200 officers THEN. Just wait to see what happens when the projects are complete, population goes up, traffic increases, calls for police service go through the roof, and you call 911… Doesn’t sound like a lot if fun to me….

  • 5 Anonymous // Apr 4, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    #4 your right and thats what West Hartford has about 200 officers for 65,000 people.

  • 6 Anonymous // Apr 4, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    the crime guy is manic again. someone please stop him. his misery is painful to witness. he has been taliking to himself on every post for the last few days. must be lonely. he wastes no time putting up negative comments-this time its employees who find it difficult to park because of the success of the hartford project. that’s just too too tragic. maybe the employees will figure out how to take the bus. oh, and we need more cops. where have we heard that before i wonder?

    thanks turf for putting this out there. you are a breath of fresh air in this stale city.
    looking forward to hearing more about this.

  • 7 Anonymous // Apr 4, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Your right #6 he only sees crime . Wasn’t it the cost of parking? correct me if I’m wrong we give discounts to people who work in the city and park in the garages don’t we?

    I think we are fine with what we have for officers, hiring more will only cost money we don’t have.

  • 8 Anonymous // Apr 4, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    #6 its a good thing he didn’t read After 70 years in business on Farmington Avenue, the Kingswood Market is closing down. imagine what kind of crap could be said about that in west Hartford.Thank god they only post on the blog and don’t read outside the box. The owner can’t afford the rent hike sought by his landlord.crime was not a problem.

  • 9 Anonymous // Apr 5, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    A year from now, if all goes as planned, developers will unveil a downtown Salt Lake City condominium building that will be unlike anything Utah has ever seen.

    The seven-story structure will be fashioned largely from recycled steel shipping containers, those trailer-sized units that cross oceans on cargo ships and are stacked at ports and railroad yards around the world. Architects in the emerging field of shipping-container housing believe it will be the first building of its kind in Utah and the tallest such structure in the nation.

    Maybe Norwalk will be ready for something like this.

  • 10 Anonymous // Apr 7, 2008 at 9:20 am

    Build up Norwalk with single family houses and open space thats what we need not a thousand condos but 300 nice houses with lots of property and open space around it. Also we need little strips where people can walk from store to store like Greenwich and Westport that will bring up the tax base and property values with less people to over stress our city that is already bursting at the seams.

  • 11 Anonymous // Apr 7, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    I agree #10 be nice to have someplace where their would be a waiting line to move into not one to move out of. Soon the taxpayers will be asked to foot the another expenses for the developers doing us a favor.Its ok the tide is not coming in as strong anymore on new construction with the recession. Other cities have planned worked out and started breaking ground while wool is being sought to pull over our heads.

  • 12 Anonymous // Apr 7, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Stamford and Norwalk have the most expensive rents among metropolitan areas in the United States for the second year in a row, according to a national affordable housing advocacy group.
    The study, released yesterday by the National Low Income Housing Coalition, found that the hourly wage required to afford a market-rate, two-bedroom apartment in the Stamford and Norwalk area is $31.58, nearly double the national average, and about five times the federal minimum wage of $5.85 an hour and four times the state’s minimum wage of $7.65 an hour.

    Ok what kind of spin are we going to see here?

  • 13 Anonymous // Apr 8, 2008 at 12:16 am

    “The Antares project started only about two years ago, and they’re ready to break ground. We have to move this along,” said Moccia, adding that an ad hoc five-person committee will be named to advise him on the Waypointe master development agreement between the city, its redevelopment agency and Seligson Properties LLC, developer of the project planned for West Avenue.

    Mr Mayor another shooting last night could we have your attention some time this week, we need you to put your foot down again.

  • 14 Anonymous // Apr 8, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Worries about a deep recession — not a shallow one — drove Federal Reserve policymakers to slash a key interest rate last month, meeting minutes show.

    Crime rises when recession deepens

  • 15 Anonymous // Apr 8, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    More gunfire in South Norwalk tonight we just heard the shots is it ever going to stop?

  • 16 Anonymous // Apr 9, 2008 at 2:12 am

    - Police are looking for two men wanted in connection with a Monday night shooting of an 18-year-old man in South Norwalk.
    The victim was shot two to three times in his upper thigh as he tried to run away from the assailants, said Norwalk police Lt. Paul Resnick. The man was listed Tuesday morning in satisfactory condition at Norwalk Hospital, Resnick said.

    Resnick said the victim and two friends were sitting on a porch at 26 Novak St. shortly after 9 p.m. when two men described as black males, dressed in dark clothing and wearing black bandanas, approached them in what may have been an attempted robbery.

    Two of the victim’s friends ran off and were not harmed, police said.

  • 17 Anonymous // Apr 9, 2008 at 2:27 am

    Shortly before midnight on Saturday, an officer patrolling on Monroe Street heard four shots coming from the area of the Washington Village housing complex on Water Street.

    He noticed no signs of panic among pedestrians there, but a short time later received a call from another officer who had located a 1981 Cadillac Coupe de Ville, apparently struck once in the driver side rear window. The Cadillac was parked at 100 Water St. when it was struck, according to police spokesman Lt. Paul Resnick.

    Like its a big thing to hear gunshots anymore

  • 18 Anonymous // Apr 9, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    The Hour doing damage control, they neglected to print details on a shooting figuring a passing Norwalk moment, but after last night and more shottings and nothing to print they online printed a shooting where a cadilac was the victim. But the Hour decided not to mention it was where the Marine police dept was on water street. These kids have grown balls they are shooting at everything and the city is simply oblivious and The Hour is adding to the mayhem.

  • 19 Anonymous // Apr 13, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Now maybe we’ll see some of the information posted to the city web site like they did for Blue Back Square in West Hartford

    Robert Sisk’s presentation of the Town of West Hartford 2008-2013 Budget Forecast –Property tax increase of 44% by 2013 if we continue on this path of tax and spend. You must read this analysis.

    Information from the town as of 03/13/08 is as follows
    $33,714,187 phased-in net assessment growth for Blue Back development was not included as General Fund revenue and hence did not lower the mill rate. This revenue was included in a Special Revenue Fund that will be used to pay off some of the borrowing that development of Blue Back required.

    There are volumes of information to sift through but like our mayor has said look at the Blue Black
    development and West Hartford then look at the city itself.

  • 20 Anonymous // Apr 13, 2008 at 3:46 am

    Why would West Hartford even consider this and would we?

    In order to be effective and slow traffic to truly safe
    speeds, speed humps need to be installed about every
    300-400 feet. It is estimated that West Hartford would
    need to install 700 speed humps on local streets to meet
    generally accepted criteria. If the Town were to
    appropriate a fixed $400,000 a year, given the current
    installation cost of $6,000 per hump and an inflation rate
    of 5% for bituminous concrete, it would take
    approximately 14 years to complete the work at a total
    cost of $5.6 million. Speed humps would be restricted
    from public safety emergency response routes, arterial
    streets, many collector streets, bus routes, near nursing
    homes and hospitals, four lane roads, and roads with
    posted speeds higher than 35 mph. The effect of speed
    humps on school buses and the children riding them is
    being explored, as there are no seat belt requirements for
    this type of transportation. Speed humps are not always
    effective in slowing chronic offenders and aggressive
    drivers, as speeders have been witnessed, in West
    Hartford, bypassing the hump by driving on lawns or
    challenging the hump with higher speeds.

    If we need any of these for our new development could we have the contractor pay for them?

  • 21 Anonymous // Apr 13, 2008 at 3:50 am

    In West Hartford, speeding occurs primarily along neighborhood streets,
    where lower vehicle volume and driver familiarity with the street layout makes
    speeding possible. However, neighborhood streets experience far fewer traffic
    accidents than arterial streets, due to lower vehicle volume. The threat to
    pedestrians has increased largely because of inattention factors mentioned
    earlier (cell phones, higher performance vehicles, schedule overload), and
    perhaps ironically, a general lack of children playing in the street. A generation
    ago, outdoor play on streets and front lawns was much more common, and
    drivers may have been more programmed to be alert for children. People spend
    the majority of their leisure time in their neighborhoods, and particularly when
    residents are outdoors or have windows open, a speeding car on the street
    causes alarm. Speeding cars habitually passing make the front yard and
    sidewalk seem like a hazardous place to be, thus directly affecting the quality of
    life for neighborhood residents. This phenomenon is supported by the fact that
    most speeding complaints are received between April and October.
    Unfortunately, a surprising number of people caught violating traffic regulations in
    neighborhoods, particularly speeding and stop sign violations, tend to be
    neighborhood residents.

    This tells us we may need more traffic officers.

  • 22 Anonymous // Apr 13, 2008 at 3:57 am

    Its amazing what West Hartford thinks of

    Another problem involving neighborhood pedestrian safety is the growing
    vehicle congestion at school drop off/pick up times. For schools, the increasing
    number of parents who drive their children to and from school is a safety
    concern. A national Transportation Research Board Study found that, of children
    injured on the way to and from school, 74% were in private passenger vehicles,
    22 % were walking and biking, and only 2% were in school buses. In addition to
    the higher percentage of injuries in private vehicles, schools in West Hartford are
    not designed to conveniently accommodate large numbers of cars and the
    congestion, though short term, is significant. This congestion compromises the
    safety of children who choose to walk or bike, as well as those walking from their
    car into the school. Another recent national study of stop signs in school zone
    areas found that 37% of the drivers rolled through the stop signs and an amazing
    7% did not slow for the signs. A traditional and effective means to provide for
    pedestrian safety is to insure that sidewalks are built where they do not exist, but
    these tend to be opposed by property owners for maintenance and aesthetic
    reasons, and do not protect children from the general risk of poor child visibility
    inherent with vehicle congestion.
    All schools make a special effort to train both parents and students about
    traffic safety and many schools have a parent traffic safety committee. At some
    schools, physical changes to drop off areas and parent parking have been made
    to improve student safety. At other schools, parent cars have been prohibited
    from entering school grounds, but this usually transfers the congestion to
    adjacent streets. In order to further reduce safety risks, the schools may want to
    consider busing distance criteria, walking/biking incentives, or carpool programs.
    The adoption of a school safety zone, as previously mentioned, will highlight this
    area of concern and, hopefully, lead to a more comprehensive and coordinated
    response.

  • 23 Anonymous // Apr 13, 2008 at 11:34 am

    Blue Back Square in West Hartford isn’t Norwalks
    Waypointe we would never have the same problems as West Hartford.Our plan will address the tax payers cost to this project and eiminate any burden to the city correct?

  • 24 Anonymous // Apr 18, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    just a great article to read when planning Norwalks future.

    http://urbancompass.net/?p=1112#more-1112

  • 25 Anonymous // Apr 21, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    The Norwalk Splash Festival may be dead in the water.

    The May event had a 13-year run before it was put on hold last year. It remains dry-docked again this year.

    Last year’s festival was canceled so the South Norwalk Business Association, the main sponsor, could devote more time to creating a SoNo business district that would provide special services to property owners for an extra fee. But that business district never was formed and somewhere along the way, the business association petered out.

    Last spring, the association’s former spokeswoman, Marcia Powell, said the event’s signature dragon boat races and a chowder cook-off were planned for the fall to make up for the missed festival, but those events never materialized.

    The association of property owners, shopkeepers and restaurateurs went on hiatus last year due to a lack of fresh blood and uncertainty leading up to a real estate deal that saw 28 addresses along Washington and South Main streets change hands for the second time in less than four years.

  • 26 Anonymous // Jun 16, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    when is the SONO Festival?

  • 27 Anonymous // Aug 7, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Despite being home to the most affluent metropolitan area in the nation, Fairfield County is seeing more people move out than move in. This was in the Ct Post today

    Because the project is near Interstate 95 and Route 7 in Fairfield County, one of the richest counties in the nation, there will be no shortage of interested retailers, Kaplan said.

    Maybe Kaplin should get the Post he doesn’t get much else.

  • 28 Lindsay // Aug 8, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Than who is buying all these condos? I think people from the city are moving in and people who grew up in this area are moving out.

  • 29 Lindsay // Aug 8, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Then who is buying all these condos? I think people from the city are moving in and people who grew up in this area are moving out.

  • 30 Anonymous // Aug 8, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Interesting article on New London seems they took land years ago and didn’t build a thing,even the contractors to build walked away odd how this article missed everyones attention.It went on to say from WTNH

    Before that battle began, people were building and there was a lot of development. But now, 10 years later, the city may have the land to build on. But, the economy has changed.
    The construction of this ‘would be’ luxury condo complex has been stalled.
    The developer tells News Channel 8 that rising prices of building supplies have put the $16 million project over budget prompting construction companies to pull out.

    Of course no one in Norwalk would give this any creedance we need to make the developer happy who cares about the taxpayer.

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