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Norwalk: Incerto House; Look Before You Leap Lesson


by turfgrrl


March 26th, 2008 · 89 Comments

I’m really not sure what to make about this development. The spilt milk retrospective would go downt he path of why this house was “saved” by dissembling it and sticking it in trailers, while it’s original lot is a vacant, while the trailers attract vandals, while no discernable fund raising goes on …

Then there’s the usual self inflicted political drama, does Norwalk have a historical plan to preserve unique character and then capitalize on tourist dollars.  So The Hour reports:

 Norwalk Historical Commission Chairman David W. Park will ask fellow commissioners tonight to form a committee to reallocate $150,000 earmarked for reassembly of the Rogers-Ritch-Merritt House.
“The Historical Commission has been sitting on that money since (the) 2002 capital budget without any action. It is estimated to take well over $1 million dollars to fully reassemble house which we will never see from city budget or private donation,” Park said. “The committee will discuss over the next month exactly where that $150,000 should be spent and make their recommendations at the April 23 Historical Commission meeting. I want the commission (tonight) to approve the committee.”

At issue is whether to reassemble the Rogers-Ritch-Merritt House — whose beams and bricks have sat in storage for years — at Mill Hill Historic Park on East Wall Street. The structure, also known as the Incerto House, was disassembled in January 2002. It is believed to date back to between 1795 and 1820.

Park believes most of the $150,000 should go to fix the cemetery and buildings at Mill Hill Historic Park, with some dollars going to buildings at Mathews Park, The Norwalk Museum and various cemeteries.

He is proposing that Peter A. Bondi, commission vice chairman, and Kathryn A. Martino and Charles L. Yost, both on the commission’s Finance Committee, sit on the committee. Susan Gunn Bromley, Norwalk Museum curator, would serve as staff person to the committee, according to Park.

I suppose a comment about how no one with, oh say, architectural, historical expereince is apparently being included in this discussion. Norwalk heritage is something apparently that only Norwalk weighs in on, even though the entire Fairfield County region owes its very existence to Norwalk.

If commissioners were to vote to close the Rogers-Ritch-Merritt House account, the committee’s recommendation on where to reallocate the dollars would go to Director of Finance Thomas S. Hamilton, Mayor Richard A. Moccia, the Planning Commission, Board of Estimate and Taxation, and ultimately the Common Council for approval or rejection, according to Park.
Moccia on Tuesday indicated that he supports reallocating the money. The cost of rebuilding the house is “beyond the city’s ability,” Moccia said, and the city is running out of locations to store the trailers, which have been moved from Andrews Field to Richards Avenue to Ely Avenue.

At the same time, Moccia suggested that reassembly of the house could go forward under private initiative.

“If the council were so inclined, they could vote to put it out to bid, and we’ll see if we have some preservation group that might want to buy it. Maybe they could even find a place in Norwalk,” Moccia said. But “I don’t know who’s going to come up, with the land and everything, $1 million.”

This is actually a good avenue to explore, what privatefunding or state funding is available. I would think that someone would make sure those items have been thourghly investigated, my usual point about due diligence and accountability can be inserted here.

Last April, a similar motion by Park to reallocate the dollars failed. At that time, however, the commission included several members who staunchly supported the reassembly project.

Gail Wall, the only person among that group remaining on the commission, considers the project critical to the rehabilitation of the Mill Hill buildings and to the redevelopment of nearby Wall Street.

“This project could be the catalyst to the rehabilitation of the buildings at Mill Hill, because the buildings are in desperate need of repair and maintenance,” Wall said. “I believe that it’s a viable project. I would like to see the city get behind the project and support it. I would like to see the (city) grants writer seek grants that could facilitate funding for the project.”

Critical? I’m not so sure its a critical part of Mill Hill. Sometimes hyperbole just doesn’t aide teh cause.

According to Wall and Carol Ann Falasca, a former commissioner, reallocating the $150,000 also poses financial questions, as not all of the dollars were city appropriated — some were donated.

“If the money that was donated does not go for the (Rogers-Ritch-Merritt House), and the city decides to use it for something else, I believe the people have a right to get their money back,” Falasca said. “We can put this project back together, but we need to have the support of the city, and of course, the Historical Commission.”

And that is a very good point. And also illustrates the dangers of having  monies co-mingled in the city general fund instead of into specific organizations or projects. I would hope that someone is checking with Tom Hamilton on that as well.

source: The Hour, Historical Commission seeks to reallocate funds, March 26, 2008

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89 Responses so far “Norwalk: Incerto House; Look Before You Leap Lesson”


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  • 1 anonymous // Mar 27, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Why did the owner (who still has the vacant weedy lot) want this house torn down in the first place?

  • 2 disillusioned voter // Mar 27, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    The owners were a landscaping company who planned to move their business there. They offered the house free of charge and then waited patiently for many, many months while archeologists painstakingly sifted through the areas around the house and the very careful dismanteling of the building with every piece numbered and placed into trailers for reassembling. The owners then ran into problems with city permits, I believe.

    This is not a willy-nilly project and much work has already gone into it down to the line item costs for reassembling. The naysayers keep projecting the negativity because they understand nothing and are anti-preservatist, which also means they don’t give a damn about Norwalk history. $150M in reserve is not going to make a big dent in anybody’s budget, but it does represent about 1/6 of the cost of the project. Who is going to pay back the many people who donated and believed in this project - the City - from the 150M in reserve???

  • 3 Anonymous // Mar 27, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    leaving the trailors on ely ave is just crazy. No room anywhere else according to who?

    due diligence and accountability

    not in our lifetime

  • 4 Anonymous // Mar 27, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    The accountability for this fiasco lies squarely with the Historical Commission that initiated the project in the first place. How on earth can they have undertaken a project like this without making sure the political will was there to complete it and the funds available, regardless of where they were coming from? The death knell sounded when “Demolition Dick” was elected.

    People keep bandying this $1 million price tag around that is supposed to be the cost of reconstruction. Is that accurate? Has anyone tried to recruit architects, contractors, and preservation expertise to donate their services?

    What a shame that all this money and effort has been expended to naught. Not only that, it’s colossal f**kups like this that have stripped the Historical Commission of any shred of credibility.

  • 5 Norwalker // Mar 27, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    They should re bid the project in phases, foundation and re-assembly. Espo gave the commission $50,000 for the dis-assembly.

  • 6 Anonymous // Mar 27, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    So what is a feasable solution? How do we maintain the trailors out of harms way, sound like this building is approacing an early demise if this keeps up . How long has it actually sat in trailors?

    Getting donated talent for a project like this sounds good who would run this saga out of the ground now?

  • 7 Anonymous // Mar 27, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Too bad, this was such a worthy project. It was to complete the Mill Hill Historic Complex. There was such good will and a community willing to raise the funds to complete it.

    That was until all of the African American Clergy in Norwalk were notified by the staff of the Hyster(ick) Commission that there were slave graves buried there. This resulted in 2 more probes of the site being done which proved these “graves” to be ficticious!

    More of your taxpayer money wasted. Funny when Mayor Mojo first was elected, his good buddy Developer Stan Seligson promised to keep the Incerto House in trailers that he owned for free. Now it’s $700 a month. Where’s the money folks?? Can you follow the smell? I mean stench?

  • 8 Anonymous // Mar 27, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Stans everyones friend and that in itself will show soon when the rest of the rotten deals are uncovered. Now its 700 dollars for the storage where were those facts sitting. Its always here on the blog never in the news.

  • 9 Anonymous // Mar 28, 2008 at 9:04 am

    This shouldn’t have been undertaken until they were sure that private funds would bear the entire cost.

  • 10 Anonymous // Mar 28, 2008 at 11:29 am

    I want to know more about what we pay in storage. unlike Lajoies who can cut deals with the city for storage why not Grasso? I’m sure if he was asked there is a lot on his lot the city could forget about as well. I’m sure he has trailors and positive he would have room and probably wouldn’t charge us like they say Stan is doing.

    Is it even true we are charged that amount?

    Its not who you know its what you know that gets you ahead in Norwalk.

  • 11 turfgrrl // Mar 28, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    As far as I know no one is being charged for storing the trailers, and that the city only paid money out to move the trailers due to a change in ownership of some donated land. I’m really not sure why anyone would think that there’s some sort of money trail to follow on this, in fact, its the lack of money that has kept this project in trailers.

    It is a good idea to explore how to get the house reassembled, what grants are available, what private donations can be raised and labor donated. I would think that this would be the charge of the Historical Commission, since the project originated there. Sort of that, those interested in getting the project moved forward should work together on doing just that. Just like people who read stuff here and manage to get parks cleaned, and people talking about moving in positive directions.

  • 12 Harry Patzer // Mar 28, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    “It is a good idea to explore how to get the house reassembled, what grants are available…”

    Say, whatever happened to the Grants Coordinator?

  • 13 Anonymous // Mar 28, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Grants are only good when they serve political ends.

  • 14 Anonymous // Mar 28, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    I agree #11

    The stuff we generate out here told the public the very same parks were closed due to gang voilence and tagging.It takes sometimes calling it not what it is to get some true dialogue from those who have known for years the truth. Its wonderful how this blog works it flushes out all kinds of things including the truth.For that we should be thankful.

    Developer Stan Seligson promised to keep the Incerto House in trailers that he owned for free. Now it’s $700 a month

    I guess what was said and what was asked sits on the table , who knows the truth? It would be nice if we could thank Stan for his efforts Why wasn’t that done the other night thanking him for donating so much for the house or was it and missed by our reporters?

  • 15 Anonymous // Mar 31, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    The Hour has spoken,In any event, it’s time to close the door on the Incerto House.

    The Hour has closed their presses subbing it out to NY. Soon the news will come from India and the phones will be answered in China and day workers will take over delivery.John P. Reilly who are you backing for the next mayor?

  • 16 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Mr. Bloom reported that the house has been demolished and that many glass panels and panes were saved for eventual use at the RRM house.

    The house was on Elmcrest, are these some of the things in the trailors?

  • 17 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 2:06 am

    jan 26 2006

    Mr. Krummel said there are four new keys to the locks on the trailers, containing the timbers of the RRM house, as the existing locks had been clipped because the keys were lost. He said they have made an impression upon the Mayor that he must consult with the Historical Commission as far as the RRM house is concerned. They still don’t have the plans to move the trailers out of Andrews Field to the Selickson’s property. Mr. Krummel said he has been trying to get in contact with Mr. Felix and Mr. Gould to get the estimates. It was suggested that a fundraiser be held to raise money to get the house back together again. Chairman Robinson offered to call. It was also suggested that they write the letter again. Mr. Krummel suggested that the committee meet as soon as possible

  • 18 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 2:13 am

    march 22 2006

    “I spoke with the Mayor regarding this matter this afternoon, and he advised me that Mr. Selickson is arranging for the transportation of the two trailers to 51 Richards Avenue on behalf of the city. Because this is not contemplated by the license agreement previously sent to you, I will be amending that document. I will send you a revised version of the agreement for your review.”

    Acting Chairwoman Falasca said it is an agreement for $1.00. She said they are asking for a dollar amount. Mr. Krummel said he believed the amount was $250,000. The trailers will have to be put on flatbeds. They will not offload the contents of the trailers. The condition of the contents is okay. Mr. Krummel read from the existing agreement, where it said “The city’s agents and employees will be granted reasonable access to the site at all times by prior arrangement with the licensor” and felt it should be modified to read “Only the city’s agents and employees will have sole access to the site

  • 19 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 8:25 am

    It’s all a moot issue now that the Hour has trumpeted its millionth opinion that it’s time to do away with the house. I bet Chris Handrinos buys it and uses it for kindling when 93 East Avenue “accidentally” catches on fire.

  • 20 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 8:49 am

    Like it was said in the beginning maybe Grasso would of done something for the city if their problems went away. Its not who you know its what you know.

    So what was the cost to the city now that the gun is smoking?

  • 21 anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 9:20 am

    who’s Grasso? What are his problems? How is this connected with the Incerto house?

  • 22 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Grasso Construction? Another hidden nest o’ worms for the City?

  • 23 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Nothing like Lajoies, kids are going to school can’t use the sidewalks lajoies trucks park there every morning. Tires go flat with all the debris in the street and accidents all the time because they don’t conform to zoning laws and keep thier business off the street.

    Busses pick up kids walking through trucks parked at the bus stop is not safe but then again its meadow gardens who gives a sh@t its only the place to go for votes isn’t it?

    Now Grasso on the other hand does not impede traffic flow and is not a danger to the children .

    Dick wants a enforcement officer for the zoning board but will he be able to find Meadow st that is the question?

    Grasso was mentioned in the thread because

    The trailers will have to be put on flatbeds. They will not offload the contents of the trailers.Where they have so much equipment one simply wonders if they were ever asked if they wanted to help the city in time of need.Thats all.

  • 24 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Add a car and truck accident to that list for Lajoies this morning thank god the kids has already been picked up for school , how ironic there was an accident at that busy driveway entrance blocked by big trucks on the sidewalk.

    Why do the Lajois trucks park on the sidewalk making it impossible for even the elderly to walk on them? Isn’t there enough room out back on the land they have?

    Its not right for these voilations to take place every day.

  • 25 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Let’s get back on topic here. This thread was about the Incerto House.

  • 26 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    I agree how much money did it take to move the trailors to where they are sitting now?

    How many are there? I have seen 1 2 and 4 the number how many are we talking?

  • 27 anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Don’t remember all the details, but wasn’t the Incerto house supposed to be billed as a pre revolutionary war home that made it so historically significant, and then after a great deal of money was spent to save it, they found out that it wasn’t pre revolutionary war at all and we were all sold a very expensive bill of goods?

  • 28 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Havn’t we stored it as a very expensive house costing over a million dolars to assemble?

  • 29 Anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Can either #27 or #28 read? Start at the top and work your way down.

  • 30 anonymous // Apr 1, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    27 here- did read the whole thing but I never saw the part where the taxpayers were scammed into believing it was pre-revolutionary war when they pushed to save it, and how only after all the money was spent did we find out the truth.

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