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Norwalk: Property Taxes, Still Needs Reform


by turfgrrl


March 17th, 2008 · 37 Comments

So let’s see, all of a sudden use of an asset is a criteria for reducing or eliminating property taxes?

Handrinos hopes they will not have to pay their latest tax bill, which he said runs close to $11,000.

“We appealed the (latest) taxes. We have already applied for (an abatement) and we have an April 15 appointment,” Handrinos said. “We cannot use the property the way we see fit — or for any purpose. It’s not economically feasible for us to fix it and we don’t intend to fix it.”

“We’re looking to pay zero (taxes), because we cannot use it,” Handrinos added.

Gee, all those shorefront property lines that extend into the flood plains, or are unbuildable due to wetlands, or other natural obstacles should start dusting off those appeal letters.

In the world of finance, an asset, is an asset is an asset. Whether your money sits in a a low bearing interest account or a high yield account, you are still taxed on what you have. One of the reasons Connecticut has such a messed up property tax system is that property taxes are calculated on too many theoretical uses.

I’ve never liked the fact that some people are essentially paying taxes on unrealized gains. If you bought a house 30 years ago, and have held it, your property taxes should not be based on what you could theoretically sell it for, since that price can onlly be determined at the point of sale. Rising property taxes is what drives long term residents, especially those on fixed incomes to leave a community.

But back to 93 East Ave. Clearly the building itself, like much of the real estate in Norwalk, is not the key driver of the property tax valuation. It’s the land. And the land isn’t going anywhere.

source: The Hour, Property taxes due even amid demolition delay, march 17, 2008

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37 Responses so far “Norwalk: Property Taxes, Still Needs Reform”


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  • 1 anonymous // Mar 17, 2008 at 8:47 am

    It is time for the Preservation Trust to move forward with making the injunction to preserve 93 East Avenue permanent.

    The owners should receive no variances from the city regarding any expansion plan at this point. He made his bed, let him lie in it.

  • 2 anon // Mar 17, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    I agree wholly with #1. The property was bought as an historic structure, and, as when buying land near water or wetlands for example, that meant that there would be hoops to jump through before being granted a variance for a building permit. Had he chosen to work cooperatively and work toward a solution, which was an option, he would not have been in the situation he is. He choose the hard way; the city deserves the taxes due from that property and, hopefully, he will not receive his demoliton permit. And, the Hour, being an ardent supporter of the destruction of this building, really showed poor judgement in printing a story that was so one-sided in it’s tilt in favor of the Inn—so much for being a ‘hometown’ newspaper.

  • 3 Anonymous // Mar 17, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    200k for an attorney?! Handrinos must be using the same lawyer as his booty boy, Nick Kydes. Wonder what the Preservation Trust has spent on their attorneys.

    The Hour is a propaganda sheet for the Chamber of Commerce. NEVER expect unbiased coverage from it.

  • 4 wait a minute // Mar 17, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    I dont use my backyard because its always a muddy mess from thr city’s bad drainage decisions decades ago. I don’t think i should pay taxes for that part of my property since it was the city’s fault I can’t use it most of the time.

    If handrinos gets his credit as trumpeted on the front page of the Hour, I DEMAND the same treatment. Let’s have a taxpayer revolt, all based on the decision the city makes over Handrinos.

    If he can’t afford the property, he should sell it. With the house in that condition that he let it become he may never unload it.

    It may just become Norwalk’s very own Greek ruin.
    They could sell little plastic statues of Nick Kydes and the rest of the crooked bunch right off the collapsing front porch.

  • 5 anonymous // Mar 17, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Holy crap! Let the guy do what he wants with his own property as long as there are no toxic wastes that leave his property line. It is an eyesore and should be torn down.

  • 6 wait a minute // Mar 17, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    So handrinos lets his immigrant kitchen staff and their families with children live in the house up until 2 years ago, and now it is beyond repair?

    He treats his staff real good.

  • 7 barnstorm // Mar 17, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Fine.Don’t pay taxes on 93 East Avenue. Then the city should put a tax lien on the Motor Inn and shut it down until the piper is paid.

    Say goodbye to the Moccia Clubhouse.

  • 8 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 4:47 am

    Most people just want to see that firetrap gone at this point. Tear it down and build something decent.

  • 9 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 6:09 am

    I agree with you #8 - the owners should tear down the Norwalk Motor Inn.

  • 10 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 7:14 am

    Where was the fair and balanced reporting on how the Inn is violating State law by demolishing a historic resource — as much as if it were destroying a protected wetland? Because make no mistake, what is happening right now is that the Inn is demolishing the property without a permit and in violation of a legal temporary injunction through its willful neglect. Handrinos is arrogant enough to say that they have no intention of protecting the property — as required by the Court. Shame on the Hour for supporting this outrageous flouting of the law.

  • 11 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 7:27 am

    The Hour is secretly owned by Rupert Murdoch through Fox News!

  • 12 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 7:29 am

    Maybe we need a referendum on whether we want this historic preservation ordinance. I think the majority of people would rather see 93 East Av torn down at this point. Most don’t really care, so maybe this ordinance isn’t worth keeping.

  • 13 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 7:36 am

    Can you have referendums to decide whether you adhere to State legislation? The temporary injunction is not based on any local ordinance but rather a CT State statute.

  • 14 Norwalker // Mar 18, 2008 at 9:05 am

    I think the neighbors should let the Inn put a 3rd floor on the existing building as was recomended.

  • 15 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Why should the homeowner’s on Buckingham allow their homes to be devalued - it’s not like he has been a good neighbor.

  • 16 Anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Speak for your self # 12 too much of Norwalk is getting torn down to make way for side way’s condos that look out op place every where. They need to stop over building and change the zoining laws so this does not continue. Norwalk is being ruined one building at a time one neighborhood at a time. Our current Mayor and council allow it to happen time after time. Time to change our out dated zoining.

  • 17 disillusioned voter // Mar 18, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Gee, I have an empty lot next door to me for which I pay 2200/year in taxes. I want an abatement, too, because it doesn’t give me any income. And those who keep crying ‘eyesore’ need to ask themselves how the building got so bad in just one year. I guess it must be the ‘nightstalkers’ out there. Time to post the ‘ghostbusters’ on east avenue during the night to see just who is helping the building become an eyesore. Handrinos has always been a bad neighbor and does whatever he wants to the detriment of the neighborhood. It’s time he gets more than a wrist slap.

  • 18 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 11:06 am

    We need to make up our minds here. Condos are the most affordable form of home ownership for a lot of people. If you are pro affordible housing, you can’t be against condos.

  • 19 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 11:25 am

    http://www.yourct.com/new/2007/06/04/guest-view-documenting-93-east-ave-in-2001/

    Seems to me the owner since 2001 — the Norwalk Inn — bears responibility for the severe deterioration. These photos may remind people of what he started with — perfectly usable, fully tenanted property.

  • 20 done // Mar 18, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    It is obvious that Handrions has had his hand in the deterioration of the house. Everyday time you look at it you find something falling off it. What next Greeklighting?

  • 21 anon // Mar 18, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    What the Inn is doing to that house is a shame; a slap in the face of all Norwalk and American history. It’s come to the point where I will take another route rather than drive by that beautiful house and watch it being raped and pillaged. Our history isn’t thousands of years old, but it’s our history and it should be respected.

  • 22 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    That’s exactly what I see when I pass it — the brutal humiliation of a helpless, grand old lady by an arrogant, contempuous fool.

  • 23 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    What I see as a shame is people wasting one second mourning an old building when there are so many other issues that cause human suffering. The money and effort spent on this issue could be much better spent caring for the impoverished, homeless, starving, and those who suffer abuse throughout the country and the world. I have to wonder how much money was spent by the government and preservationists over the past five years and how better spent that money would have been on the needy and victims of abuse.

  • 24 anonymous // Mar 18, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    People sympathetic to the impact the destruction of a building has on how we live are just as sympathetic to flesh and blood woes. Maybe more so. It’s only the churlish who think compassion is limited. Ridiculous. And just how many homeless do you think Handrinos has helped today?

  • 25 anonymous // Mar 19, 2008 at 4:52 am

    The Game: Obstruction

    Object of the Game: Preservation …just because

    The Prize: 93 East Avenue

    Visitors Roster: whine, moan, groan, Birkenstocks, bleeding hearts, anti-business, anti-Greek, no-money, no-law. Designated hitter: temporary injunction

    Home Team Roster: sun, wind, rain, freeze, thaw, rot, decay, collapse and time. Designated hitter: condemnation proceedings

    My money is on the home team. Any bets?

  • 26 Inn like Flint // Mar 19, 2008 at 5:58 am

    I prefer Manolo Blahnik. And the law came out on the side of the “visitors”. If the “home team” loses yet another round, they pay all court costs. Can’t wait. You’d think if they keep losing in court, they’d wise up and quit. First the variance (twice); now the historic.

    By the way, I love Greek men. They’re short, passionate, and stubborn — and usually under the heel of a strong Greek woman.

  • 27 anon // Mar 19, 2008 at 6:21 am

    #25 Your mistaken, history is money, and destroying history is not synomous with good business sense–take a look at our high-end neighboring communities, Wesport, New Canaan etc.–these towns know history sells. You’ve mistakenly catorgized people as if they have to be poor or liberal to care about this and you’re wrong. The one with the questionable business sense and limited sense of style is the Inn.

  • 28 Anonymous // Mar 19, 2008 at 6:44 am

    200k is an expensive price to pay for penis enlargement. And it didn’t even work… maybe Handrinos should have asked around if everyone shares his opinion that “size is everything.”

  • 29 anonymous // Mar 19, 2008 at 7:32 am

    As stated in #21, this is American History. As Greeks, the Inn owners have had the privilege of succeeding in the American dream, on American soil, next to a building that is part of American History. The fact that they not only want to tear down American history, but that they should do so with such hatred and disrepect is appalling.

  • 30 anonymous // Mar 19, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    I don’t think the house looks anything like it did when it was originally built. I think an ordinance should be put in place to revert all historical buildings back to the way they were originally built. No electricity, plumbing, plastic, or drywall. That is the only way it will be historically representative. Great job on the Incerto House guys. Maybe the preservationists should be required to pay for the dismantling of 93 East Av and then they could store it in trailers for posterity.

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