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Norwalk: BOE Meeting At Ponus


by turfgrrl


March 5th, 2008 · 18 Comments

Last night’s BOE meeting was really interesting. First off, it was great they held it at a school, Ponus Middle School, to be exact. The sad part though was that there were so few parents there. The theme of parental involvement permeated most of the meeting. The principal of Ponus made a nice, though somewhat bureaucratic, presentation on how Ponus achieved vanguard status. An explanation of what vanguard status might have been helpful.

The gist of the report on Ponus was that there’s been a sharp increase in ELL (English language learners) population and that there’s many students with severe intellectual deficits. Forgive me my usual empathetic deficiency. What happened to the word dumb? Is this really the issue here, that Ponus has a higher number of dumb kids than other schools? Or do we have something else going on here? There was almost a sense of pride beaming here tonight at how much these students are tested. Great, Norwalk is contributing yet more carefully raised automatons who can point to their public school education as being an endless series of tests. How do they find time to educate these kids?

It got worse, at least for me. The principal described this morning ritual, the P.R.I.D.E pledge. My immediate thoughts turned to those quaint film strips my generation was indoctrinated with involving jingoistic themes against communism. If we let the commies get us, the film strips intoned, we’d be reciting pledges in school instead of worrying abut STDs. Hrmm, maybe I’m mashing together too many filmstrips there. Justice Brandies would know what to say, brainwashing, you know it when you see it.

Then we got to the public portion of the hearing, which as with most meetings, turns out to be an exercise of the public speaks, and the rest listen–No action required. Which makes the next part damnable.

A young parent stood up, Jean Toussand, who has 2 sons who go to Kendall elementary school. He begins a rather impassioned plea for help, after having spoken to Corda, written and emailed about the problems he’s had with the principal at Kendall to Corda and Jodi Bishop Pullan. He describes how his 2nd grader was sent home with homework which had something to do with subtraction but that his son was not taught how to do it.

At this point, I’d have liked to see Corda do something, like gently explain perhaps what the curriculum was and that maybe the subject was indeed taught. But he did nothing, leaving me to conclude that he either ignored this parent, as the parent claimed, or that in fact the subject of subtraction wasn’t taught. Either one is pretty bad when you think of it.

Toussand claims that the principal at Kendall does not want to talk to him. He claims that there is a xenophobic attitude in Kendall. He claims that there are other parents that are afraid to come and talk.

Ok, this is going on for awhile now, and clearly the guy is frustrated. Nothing but silence from the BOE, which in a very obvious sense is exactly the wrong thing to do. Empathy, I have none remember, is needed and even I can see that this parent is just asking for some brief acknowledgment and respect. I’m still not sure what his complaint about this son’s education really is all about, the story got kind of meandering, but like a rabbit popping out of the proverbial hat, Toussand is a teacher too, teaches French and Spanish in high school. Norwalk? He says that active parents are discouraged from participating. He mentions numerous times that he’s written Jodi Bishop Pullan about many issues, with no response apparently. The wheels click over Corda’s head, thought bubble: “perception problem.” Uh yeah, right, the Cambridge report says you guys fail to communicate, and here’s a living breathing example. And better yet, you failed at the meeting too. Perfect score. Fortunately some of the more enlightened BOE members were appalled and plan on following up with Toussand.

Then it was onto boring stuff and the graduation requirements of the Global Studies Program. Much confusion on what they were supposed to be voting on. We in the audience figured it out, a student’s transcript should come from the school who gives them a diploma. Somehow sports was involved. I was amused, great way to transfer in a really talented student athlete to Brien McMahon, 6’7” Japanese language major. Heh. They stall out, no one is talking about the AP class grade scale here. Does Corda look bored here? Yes! So am I. The play by play:

They discuss the graduation requirements in order to receive diplomas either from their home district or CGS, which would be McMahon. This impacts eligibility for sports and what school a student may play for.

Mosby wants to make sure that the policy committee has taken a close look on this. She is concerned about valedictorians.

CGS director responds that the policy committee was to be concerned about transfer students. Someone else chimes in about this solely being about diplomas.

Mosby says that resulting explanation proves her point that there is two different understandings of the policy.

JPB says that her understanding is that the policy committee should only be about transfer students, or something like that but loose her train of thought.

Hamilton is surprised that students can transfer into CGS in the 11 and 12th grades.

Kimmel points out that these types of the schools (schools within schools) are common and that these types of issues have been addressed. He says they need to identify the policy. He adds that if we don’t have a policy on transfer students they should be making one.

Mosby asks that the issue be tabled so it can be discussed in the policy committee.

Apparently one senior is affected by this, and he will not meet his home school diploma requirements. But will meet McMahon’s. Must be those high Norwalk standards.

Motion to table failed 4 -5.

Do we care what they do with this? Maybe, but the way Hamilton has them vote is impossibly confusing. Here’s an idea, call out each name and have them say how they vote. It’s called Roll call vote. Someone can transcribe it. Maybe even me.

The field trip item they are voting on was incorrectly labeled as out of state but it was to Niantic. These are the people in charge of educating Norwalk students. Think about it.

Everyone votes for the approval of the filed trip , now labeled in state but Kimmel opposes it. I wonder why.

The next interesting part was the proposed school calendar. Oh what a show we had tonight. How difficult is putting together a schedule here? You have state mandated number of schools days. State mandates are worthy of a post all on their own. Then you have the calendar. It’s been set since Roman times. Then you have holidays, those religious ones tend to move about but otherwise that’s about it. They have 4 versions. Four because they want to fit in all these professional days and testing days and groundhog days. Ok, I’m guessing on the last one, but you can make an argument for Bill Murray appreciation day or some science class. The official position of the PTO, make the calendar year more compact with more time in class. Hey, what a concept! The BOE instead plans to vote on all four calendars because everyone was busy being too nice to say the obvious. I will. The four versions suck. Draft a better one.

Kimmel has a really interesting point about the calendar, one that bears further investigation. He says that the school day in NYC is 45 minutes longer in New York elementary schools. Plus they manage to have less half days in NYC. At the end of the 5th grade, a student has been in school (150 days) which is like being a year ahead of where Norwalk’s student is. And they all take the same standardized tests too.

What would a BOE meeting be without a senseless behavioral policy adjustment? Efficient, but that was supposed to be a rhetorical question. They move on to a change to the student tobacco policy. The change is to make it an in school suspension if a student is caught smoking. Kimmel says there’s a double standard for adults (nothing happens) and a student gets a 2 day in school suspension and a $10 fine.

In the ensuing discussion there is no other rule that has a monetary amount attached to it. Burnett defends the policy and says that the occurrences of an adult breaking the rule is very low. He compares the fee to like losing a library book. Hrmm, hey Burnett, one is about property loss the other is personal behavior. Talk about trampling over civil rights.

JPB- Says it is necessary to have the fee as a deterrent.

What a shame, it could help with the whole obesity thing, and they could get back to allowing parents to hold bake sales with cupcakes. Make up your minds people, do you want smoke free fat kids, or wheezing skinny kids. This is so painful I feel like lighting up and I don’t even smoke, anymore, at least not since middle school.

The best part happens next. Corda wants to hire an assistant superintendent and board wants to see multiple candidates. Corda is looking very unhappy. Why? Because the BOE is going against the grain and not reaching for the rubber stamp. Even Burnett is interested in seeing multiple candidates for these positions and that there’s a diverse slate of candidates that come before the board. Rivas wants to make sure that internal candidates are considered. Corda looked very unhappy during this. Kind of like Bill Belicheck in the Superbowl. It looks like the BOE is being clear that its not just up to Corda to submit his recommendation. Mosby hammers it home, the BOE will have final decision on even the search firm.

Chiaramonte speaks eloquently about the need for videotaping the meetings, makes plug for openness and transparency and youtube. Iannacone mentions the video of the common council meetings (oh yeah!) and mentioned that NHS students can video tape too. Burnett, wants to make sure that the meetings are done right. He’s concerned about blurriness or fuzzy. I fail to whip out the camera and do the all-so-meta thing of taping this discussion.

The big news was that the PTO meeting was previously taped and is to be aired on channel 78. Way to go PTO and showing the way of being open and communicative to all those who can’t attend your meetings.

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18 Responses so far “Norwalk: BOE Meeting At Ponus”



  • 1 MGeake // Mar 5, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I wonder if a finance director — who we apparently cannot afford — would think there is a valid need for an additional assistant superintendent and if we can afford one of those.

  • 2 Anonymous // Mar 5, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    I moved to Norwalk in 2003.
    How was Corda selected as superintendent?

    Who approved this (dis)appointment?

  • 3 anon // Mar 5, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    What was Corda thinking? Good point Michael Geake regarding a finance director.

  • 4 Anonymous // Mar 5, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    I find it greatly amusing that the superintendent is unhappy that the BOE wants to have an active role in the selection of the replacement for Dr. Lang. If Dr. Corda selected Dr. Lang when she was hired, I definitely want the BOE to play an active role this time.

  • 5 anon // Mar 6, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    I wish this post could be on the front page of the Hour. This is the type of information that would really mean something to the whole public, not just the ones who have found this site. Especially pointing out the frustration of that parent and the boards lack of empathy towards him (seems the Cambridge Report was spot on in this regard).
    Thank you so much, Turfgirl!

  • 6 Anonymous // Mar 6, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    This is a great post. Corda has to start realizing that his freedom is limited.

  • 7 Anonymous2 // Mar 6, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    I thought the BOE was Corda’s boss? Why have they forgotten that? We as citizens of Norwalk have to tell them, yell at them that they are the boss, not the other way around!

  • 8 ME // Mar 7, 2008 at 7:01 am

    The parent referred to in this article with such compassion is a NUT CASE. Any staff member at Kendall school who has had the misfortune to deal with him runs in the opposite direction when they see him coming. And parent concerns are NOT ignored at Kendall. But this man is a bully, just plain crazy, and one of those parents who claims he isn’t getting answers when he doesn’t get the answers he WANTS. He’s so crazy that some teachers refuse to be alone with him. It’s entirely possible that if he was ranting and rambling the other night at the meeting the way he does when he’s at school, the Board members just kind of closed their eyes and thought - wake me when this nut shuts up.

  • 9 MGeake // Mar 7, 2008 at 7:54 am

    When I lived just outside Richmond, Virginia, I was considered a “nut case” by the Chesterfield County Public Schools because I demanded that my step-son receive the special education services to which he was entitled. When he would see me park in the handicapped space just outside his office, the pricipal would sneak out the back door of the school; I discovered this by going in the back door one day.

    My problems were not resolved until I retained a lawyer. Interestingly, my lawyer’s dyslexia had been misdiagnosed as mental retardation when he was a boy. He grew up to be the lawyer who argued the landmark special eduaction cases before the United States Supreme Court.

    So don’t ignore the parent who is fighting for their child. They know their children much better than anyone (and some of us retain lawyers when all else fails).

  • 10 Anonymous // Mar 7, 2008 at 8:36 am

    The BOE and superintendent remained silent when the public members spoke because that is what they do for all comments, good or bad, made during the “Public Comments” part of the BOE agenda. I don’t know the history, but I would assume that this long established practice (policy?) exists because if they got involved in debates with the public, they would never get to the agenda at hand.

    I hate to seem a BOE apologist, but I need to keep this truthful. In the interests of public communication, however, it might be wise to adopt a policy that will require the BOE executive committee to discuss all public comments made at the previous meeting, and then determine if there should be further action. If warranted and appropriate, it may be by creating a BOE agenda item to address the public comment(s).

  • 11 anon // Mar 7, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Well said Mike! All parents need to be listened to, wrong or right, they deserve to havetheir concerns addressed..

  • 12 Norwalker // Mar 7, 2008 at 11:50 am

    You’re right #10. The BOE conducts the public comments just like the Council does. It’s not a bad idea to have a public forum meeting to address the public concerns though. Food for thought.

  • 13 anonymous // Mar 7, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Hey Mike. Maybe they thought you were a “nut case” because you pushed for legalization of drugs.

  • 14 Anonymous // Mar 7, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Parents should be tested with respect. I think I’ll trust turfgrrl’s reporting here since she was there and you are writing anonymously.

  • 15 Anonymous // Mar 7, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    That should be treated not tested. Apologies.

  • 16 Anonymous // Mar 9, 2008 at 12:26 am

    Any updates on Bruce Morris? Is he still getting away with it.

  • 17 Disappointed with Norwalk // Mar 10, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Listen, I don’t necessarily always think it is the principal who is at fault for everything. I know the principal at Kendall and boy he has actually become more sincere than he used to be. He believes in his staff which is more than what the BOE does. Most of the problems at Kendall come from the lack of support at home by parents. So what if he doesn’t have time to talk about the lunch shift times with Mr. Toussand. I commend Mr. Toussand for being involved, which is more than I could say for the rest of the parents. The principal is dealing with many other substantial issues, and he chooses which things take precedence. That parent is a tough parent and let me tell you his son has an excellent teacher. The father can be intimidating and it would not surprise me if the teacher taught the lesson, the student wasn’t paying attention and maybe wasn’t honest with his father!

  • 18 anon3 // Mar 10, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    listen things are not so great at kendall.there is a great divide among the staff. there is no communication with teachers non-certified and the pto .the place is a dictatorship with the principal at the top. the parent may be a pain,but it doesnt hide the fact people are unhappy there.

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