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Norwalk: Rethinking Education


by turfgrrl


February 11th, 2008 · 33 Comments

Practically everyone understands that Connecticut needs property tax reform. The single biggest expenditure of local municipalities is education. So naturally you’d think there’s some support for state run education. Think again. There’s an interesting article in The Atlantic, which I’ll excerpt a bit of below, but first a quote:

“In the first place, God made idiots,” Mark Twain once wrote. “This was for practice. Then He made School Boards.”

You can guess why I grew very fond, very fast of this article. Of course what is being advocated here is the idea of a national educational program. Sort of along the lines of the anti-thesis for conservative dogma since the days of the Reagan revolution which sought to dismantle the federal Department of Education.

The argument, and history of how we got here is articulated well:

Because of Progressive-era reforms meant to get school boards out of “politics,” most urban school districts are independent, beyond the reach of mayors and city councils. Usually elected in off-year races that few people vote in or even notice, school boards are, in effect, accountable to no one.

There’s that accountability issue, again, this time splayed out to cover the problem from a national perspective.

I asked Marc Tucker, the head of the New Commission on the Skills of the American Workforce (a 2006 bipartisan panel that called for an overhaul of the education system), how he convinces people that local control is hobbling our schools. He said he asks a simple question: If we have the second-most-expensive K–12 system of all those measured by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, but consistently perform between the middle and the bottom of the pack, shouldn’t we examine the systems of countries that spend less and get better results? “I then point out that the system of local control that we have is almost unique,” Tucker says. “One then has to defend a practice that is uncharacteristic of the countries with the best performance.

“It’s an industrial-benchmarking argument,” he adds.

The proposal suggested is pretty radical, but given the current climate of education here in Norwalk one worth considering.

What of school boards? In an ideal world, we would scrap them—especially in big cities, where most poor children live. That’s the impulse behind a growing drive for mayoral control of schools. New York and Boston have used mayoral authority to sustain what are among the most far-reaching reform agendas in the country, including more-rigorous curricula and a focus on better teaching and school leadership. Of course, the chances of eliminating school boards anytime soon are nil. But we can at least recast and limit their role.

If the Norwalk charter gets revised, maybe its also time to look at really reforming education. Certainly the BOE hasn’t delivered anything more than political wrangling, so maybe its time for real fiduciary reform.

source: The Atlantic, First, Kill All the School Boards, by Matt Miller, January 2008

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  • 1 Anon432 // Feb 11, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Can you give any example of a school board in any town/city in America that has done an excellent job. It would be great to see some thing positive that has been done to hold up as a model. I think it important that people who run to be on the Board of Education should have children in the system. A vested interest in the system that they would like to help. Reform is needed. People should vote to improve for the good of all, it should not be a political move or consideration. I guess I am living in my own little world. Just a thought.

  • 2 Anonymous // Feb 11, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Okay, that is a good question.

    There is national s socioeconomic barrier to education and that needs to be addressed on a national level through the states.

    This out of the box thinking is finally receiving attention and must be encouraged.

    Now, to the question who is thinking about the medival state of education and who is doing something to modernize our school of thought.

    Well lets take a look directly west to, our neighbor, New York City.

    Some radical ideas are being experimented with, by N.Y.C. School Chancellor Joel Klien with the backing of Bill and Melinda Gates.

    It is difficult to argue that N.Y.C. inner city schools are not crumbling and in need of C.P.R.

    Think thats an acronym for Change, Perceivement and reinvention.

    What they are doing in N.Y.C. is cleaning house, wiping the slate clean and trying fresh approaches.

    The Chancellor understands the requirement of public colaboration for any plan to be succesful.

    Dr. Klien has instituted a parent advisory council in order to have direct unbiased, immediate feedback.

    He has also secured resources to reach for the stars and has begun to digitalize the curiculum.

    They have accomplished quite a bit in just a couple of years and they are not there yet but they have stood up to the challenges to better prepare their children for the future that awaits them.

    Without action, ideas, are just that, until we try something.

    Would we be even reading this if Edison had said, ” well I have experimented with 100 metals therefore none are sufficent in strength and durability to bring light to the masses, it therefore will forever remain dark when the sunsets,until she rises again, thats gods way and we must accept that!”

    We must not accept darkness. We must not be resistent to new perspectives but embrace challenge and cooperation.

    Can we imagine what phenominal results may occur if we could all colaborate?

  • 3 Charles the Hammer // Feb 11, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    The Atlantic Article presented a very instructive history of public education’s development in America. The local nature of governance is truly an American feature. The author also rightly pointed out some areas where schools need to make significant reforms in order that we may continue to compete in the world. Yet, his parting comments praising the virtues of nationalized medicine and pay-as-you-go national pension plans makes the rest of his thesis suspect.

    Because the federated nature of American Public Education may have some defects does not really have many of us longing to be Prussians. Will someone please tell me how often BIG U.S. GOV’T programs really work out great? Okay, WWII…and the NASA quest for the moon went well, but how about The Great Society, Whip Inflation Now!, and The Big Dig? Big and Central does equate to quality.

    Reforms are needed. We need to be tougher,not softer. There are plenty of fat cat educrats, bad teachers, lazy students, enabling parents, and pandering politicians screwing up our schools. But, woe unto those who would embrace this idea of an omniscient and omnipotent central planner. To hell with that! That may work fine in China, Russia, Prussia, or Upper Slobovia, but IN AMERICA, people like to keep some control over who is with their kids all day…Popular sovereignty and limited government, remember? That’s right, remember who we are. Remember what we’re about: Freedom, Self-governance, Diversity, Individualism.

  • 4 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 8:17 am

    …and special interests. Don’t forget the crowning achievement of our system of law-making.

  • 5 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 10:02 am

    I think Norwalk public schools should set a trend and have the student wear uniforms and attend school during summer.

  • 6 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 10:12 am

    I’m sure the riots in DC and Cal will look tame after you adopt something like that in Norwalk . Obviously you are joking I got a good laugh. We can’t even get the kids to leave the chamber empty when going to school. You do understand that don’t you?

  • 7 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 10:34 am

    I am not joking at all! I think that uniforms should be required in all Norwalk public schools, for starters. This way the kids can start to focus less on what they are wearing and focus on their studies. Subconsciously, I believe that a uniform would make them feel better about themselves and subconsciously the community would as well.

  • 8 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 10:57 am

    As it is we have full time police officers at the high schools with on duty regular officers as backup in the parking lots. I’m sure your suggestions are warranted for a dress code but not in Norwalk the city has taken on another personality over the years you wouldn’t reconize it if you lived in South Norwalk.

    Making English the primary language so students understand the rest of the Norwalks rules would be a start. Then they can go home and explain it to the parents wich seems to be one of the problems in most of my childrens classes.

    Of course uniforms for eight kids would be hard so having the schools kick in for the cost would be realistic at this point.I’ll support your thoughts if Norwalk pays for the uniforms.

  • 9 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Maybe someone should start running background checks on the parents of kids who can’t speak English to see if the are legal.

  • 10 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 11:57 am

    outstanding #9 destacado

  • 11 Norwalker // Feb 12, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    A dress code doesn’t have to be uniforms. It could require students to wear more conservative clothes.

  • 12 Anon432 // Feb 12, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    A dress code and or uniform is a great idea and is cheaper than buying the fashions that my teenagers wear. When they were in Catholic School it was no arguments about what to wear in the morning and what they were going to purchase when at the mall. I spent @$300 then, now I spend thousands.

  • 13 Anonymous // Feb 14, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Seriously, dress codes or uniforms for all grades in all Norwalk schools is a brilliant idea. Parents will certainly save money. How do we get this started and who cares about back lash from the students they are children remember!!!

  • 14 Marjorie // Feb 14, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Good Afternoon,

    I feel that public schools should have uniforms. Most schools out of the United States have school uniforms, whether the children agree with it or not. It just takes some getting use to on the childrens part, but children usually adapt to change. Its the adults that sometimes have more of a hard time with it.
    First of all having uniforms for the advious reasons will save the parents money on clothing, second there won’t be this competition between the students with their outfits, students won’t wear inappropriate clothing to school, and the children will look as if they are attending school to get an education and not a party.
    Also I probably will get booed for this, but in most countries teachers also wear uniforms, because sometimes even teachers tend to look a little to provacative (men or women) for students.
    The children go to school to get an education so let them dress the part. Oh I know, I will also hear that the students won’t be able to have freedom to express there creativity. Well I have an answer to that also, they can express it outside of school. There are many hours in which to do this.
    I feel really strongly about the next statement I’m going to write about, “the teachers or school staff are not there to babysit our children, they are there to educate them and that’s what I would like to see happening, not the teacher or students worrying about there clothing or the next fashion statement.
    To end I feel we have great teachers who want to educate our children if given the atmosphere in which to do so and childre going to school looking professional and ready to do so in their uniforms would do the trick.

    Just my opinion.
    Have a Good Day!

  • 15 anonymous // Feb 14, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Many public schools have “uniforms”, particularly in the south. My niece and nephews can only where khakis and solid color polo shirts with no brand logos on them to their large suburban schools outside of Atlanta.

  • 16 Anonymous // Feb 14, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    you just don’t get it the trouble is at jr and high school level and the gangs run the dress code just like the city maybe it would be wise to become street wise before you have this dress code in the bag.

    I honestly feel sorry for those who think it would work, I feel worse for those who think its cheaper i don’t know about most of you but we don’t do designer clothes and hand the stuff down from others that don’t have the same schools
    norwalk is 40 today alanta is 54 63 tommorrow we will be 47 and polo shirts are not an option.

    nice try but some of live in the inner city with a inner city budget and washing clothes for some of us is the laundermat not the Norwalk river.

  • 17 Anonymous // Feb 15, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    # 16. Run and you will always be running.

    A dress code / uniform does not mean that you must dry clean your cloths nor do you have to wash them daily if you so choose. It simply means dressing students more respectfully and turning their focus towards education not the latest Louis Vuitton bag (by they way it KILLS me when I see supposed “struggling income” women / girls carrying a Louis Vuitton bag real or knockoff.)

    It would most certainly be cheaper then buying whatever silly fashion is in style that ultimately the kids will look back and be embarrassed about anyway.

    We must remember that the supposed “gangs’ are kids and obviously need serious direction and rules.

    I am not afraid and find it simply ridiculous.

  • 18 Anonymous // Feb 15, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    They make uniforms for all seasons so worrying about the temperature is pointless.

    UNIFORMS! UNIFORMS! UNIFORMS!

  • 19 Anonymous // Feb 15, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Run and you will always be running.

    I am not afraid and find it simply ridiculous.

    please join the police force and help out the poor people up on Hospital hill they need your insight simple police and social methods are not working and its obvious God has spoken.

  • 20 one parent // Feb 15, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    I can tell you as a parent, I would like to see a dress code of sorts. The way these kids go to school is unbelievable. Butts hanging out(male/female) belly buttons with rings, oversized t-shirts that look like a nightgown, hoodies, and so many other things that I wish they could see what they look like in others eyes.

    What is wrong with a dress code? We had them and we turned out fine. Maybe the kids will start seeing each other as equals instead of who has what and what gang one hangs with. This might be a good item to discuss at the next NNHT meeting.

    If these kids had school work to focus on maybe we would start seeing better results in our schools. Kids need direction, they are not mature enough to understand the ramifications of their actions.

    Parents need to start taking a closer look at what their kids are wearing and how they present themselves in public. When colleges start looking at these kids they will not be impressed and for those who won’t go on to college but plan to go directly to work, the real world has a dress code.

  • 21 Anonymous // Feb 15, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    NORWALK (AP) — The parent company of Gibbs College plans to close the school’s campuses in Norwalk, Boston and elsewhere on the East Coast, the corporation’s president said Friday.
    Career Education Corp. officials said in a written statement Friday that the colleges will “teach out” all programs by Dec. 31, 2009, giving students time to finish their programs there or transfer elsewhere.

    The company, based in Hoffman Estates, Ill., says it tried without success to find buyers for its Gibbs division before deciding to close it.

    “We considered these decisions very carefully and took additional time to do so to ensure an outcome that takes into account the vital interests of students, faculty and staff,” company president Gary E. McCullough said in a written statement.

    The Norwalk site stopped accepting student applications Friday. It has 919 students in 14 associate degree programs and two certificate programs ranging from business administration to criminal justice.

    The rest of the article can be read in the Post

  • 22 Anonymous // Feb 15, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    sorry didn’t really have anyplace else it would of fit for a news breaking story, hint hint.

    One must go to the Ct post for Norwalk News breaking stories.

  • 23 Anon432 // Feb 15, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Gibbs did nothing for some of their students to get jobs after the so called graduation. It is time they went.

  • 24 Anonymous // Feb 15, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Its a shame they never paid any taxes or did anything other than screw the kids. They should of taught outsourcing.

    According to the election-year bluster of politicians and pundits, the outsourcing of American jobs to other countries has become a problem.

    what you know about our nations problems?

  • 25 Anonymous // Feb 16, 2008 at 11:16 am

    sorry to post on your thread but we have someone who hasn’t heard about downtown sono and its crime. Last night we had a handgun running around among the patrons which just adds to the increasing number of robberies and danger at the Haviland parking lot.While we all support the way everyone here has taken a bite out of the BOE and trying to help our children maybe its time to simply speak up if you have found crime downtown recently. The police officers have had enough while our agenda in the city is to ignore the obvious we have a crime problem.

    so we have someone who decides to post today

    Not sure what you are looking at, but go to Sono on Thurs., Fri., or Sat. And you will find that it is the most desired destination in Fairfield County. People even come from Westchester to spend money on Washington St.

    we are seeing a migration of good news reporters leaving the city because The Hour and cannot keep up with the real news while they push their own agenda with the mayor.

    thanks for bearing with the rest of us trying to point out crime sucks in Norwalk and it probably will effect you sonner than later. More tires friday night were targeted and the bars according to police officers in downtown sono come first when they close at night with police presence than any other call in the city like this morning leaving some residents waiting for police response because of lack of manpower.

  • 26 anonymous // Feb 16, 2008 at 11:41 am

    When we lose power we call the electric company, not the police

  • 27 Anonymous // Feb 16, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    that was good Harry

  • 28 Anonymous // Feb 16, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    We never forget our best teachers - those who imbued us with a deeper understanding or an enduring passion, the ones we come back to visit years after graduating, the educators who opened doors and altered the course of our lives. I was lucky enough to encounter two such teachers my senior year in a public high school in Connecticut. Dr. Cappel told us from the outset that his goal was not to prepare us for the AP biology exam; it was to teach us how to think like scientists, which he proceeded to do with a quiet passion, mainly in the laboratory. Mrs. Hastings, my stern, Radcliffe-trained English teacher, was as devoted to her subject as the gentle Doc Cappel was to his: a tough taskmaster on the art of writing essays and an avid guide to the pleasures of James Joyce. Looking back, I’d have to credit this inspirational pair for carving the path that led me to a career writing about science.

    wonder where in Ct did he go to school?

  • 29 anon // Feb 17, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Charles the Hammer:

    I see your point and yes, it’s a good one, but with it comes the risk of distance and detachment. I tend to think that on site advisory boards do a fairly good job of running a school, if they are allowed the trust and freedom to do so. However, building administration must assume peer status and rely on its teachers and parents to provide input on all matters. Frankly, teachers can be very strict when it comes to code and appropriateness. Teachers also recognize “bad teachers” like nobody’s business. I tend to lean toward communal juncture at building site level where ownership is the order of the day. Certainly a little healthy competition and good business sense would tip the scales. I fear central governance has stagnated standards at present time with its central planning.

  • 30 Anonymous // Feb 17, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    More passing the buck. How about a change in strategy, like the courage of accepting responsibility? Isn’t that the bar for true leaders? Accept and acknowledge errors and learn from those mistakes. Trying to squeeze into a teflon suit, well its very unbecoming to a man of supposed class and refined judgement.

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