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Norwalk: Ethics Filing Could Cost Taxpayers Almost $14k


by turfgrrl


February 9th, 2008 · 23 Comments

Last fall when Kevin Poruban filed an ethics complaint against fellow council member Nick Kydes, I suspect that few if any thought about the ramifications of costs of the complaint. Unlike an earlier ethics complaint, this time it wasn’t a citizen filing the complaint against an official, it was an official filing against another official.

Kydes, quickly sought legal advice, and at the hearing showed up with a lawyer and a stenographer. Poruban showed up without legal representation. The meeting lasted a a few hours. Who knows what prep time Kydes undertook, but the time between the filing of the complaint and the hearing certainly suggests minimal time. Which is why on the surface a $14k bill seems outrageous.

The billing should be an issue council members discuss, because if the taxpayer is on the hook for legal fees in defense of its officials and appointees, then the taxpayer should have recourse for determining what kind of legal representation an official or appointee can obtain.

The other issue to grapple with is the relatively light “ownership” of the costs should future complaints be filed by officials or appointees against official or appointees. If the taxpayer is picking up the tab, without question or restrictions, then there’s hardly any disincentive to the filing of all sorts of frivolous ethics violation claims, that would simply provide dram and chew up tax dollars that could be better spent on other things. Just think of what would happen should every council member file and ethics complaint against Stuart Opdahl, as an example.

Unfortunately, there are no lawyers on this council who might grasp the legal implications of this. Krummel has asked for a corp council opinion, which in itself is a good idea. I don’t think the corp counsel will set precedent and suggest that Kydes seek redress from Poruban, which is how this would be handled in civil court. The legal shield for all officials and appointees is the larger issue here.

From The Hour:

On Tuesday night, the council is scheduled to vote on reimbursing Kydes $13,677.54 in legal fees and expenses incurred in connection with the ethics complaint filed against him by Councilman Kevin M. Poruban early last September. The reimbursement also is “subject to the availability of funding.”

Poruban could not be reached for comment Friday afternoon.

“This was out of pocket and I’m seeking to be reimbursed,” said Kydes, a Republican re-elected to a second, two-year term last fall. “The case was won by me against the vicious and fictitious allegations by Poruban. I believe that justice has been served. The truth has come out and I’m just going to move on.”

Kydes said he believes he will have to recuse himself from voting on the reimbursement request Tuesday night.

Poruban, a District C Democrat who served at-large on the council at the time, alleged that Kydes, as a member of the council’s Planning Committee, discussed the city’s Wall Street Development Plan while withholding that his brother owned property relevant to the plan, and that he participated in votes and discussion that could influence his brother’s interests.
The Globe Theatre property, which lies within the 6.3-acre redevelopment area, is co-owned by Mary Kyriakides, wife of Kydes’ brother Andy Kyriakides.

On Oct. 9, 2007, the council’s ethics committee ruled that Kydes did not commit an ethics violation when he engaged in discussion and cast votes in relation to the Wall Street Development Plan.

At the hearing, Kydes’ attorney, David W. Rubin, called Poruban’s claims “factually wrong.” Mary Kyriakides did not become co-owner of the property until May 9, 2007, according to land records, Rubin told the ethics committee.

Rubin charged Kydes $13,227 for legal services. A court reporter charged the councilman another $450.50, according to invoices included in Tuesday night’s council packet.

Whether the council reimburses Kydes could hinge on whether the city’s old or new ethics code is in play. Last June, the council adopted a new and more comprehensive code.

“The new ordinance says that legal fees can be paid, and actually there was some precedent back many years that there was some funds at that time advanced for the legal fees paid,” said Mayor Richard A. Moccia, a Republican. “My personal opinion is this was a frivolous, nonsensical complaint that now is going to cost the city, if they decide to approve it, (roughly) $13,000.

“This is the concern you have about ethics charges and why it has to be so nonpolitical on that board. It cannot be people that are recent political appointees or active,” Moccia added.

The question of reimbursement comes as the council seeks résumés from people to serve on the new, seven-member Board of Ethics, as called for in the new ethics code.

Council Majority Leader William M. Krummel, a Democrat and member of the Planning Committee, indicated that he needs information from the law departments and also about the outcome of Kydes’ hearing before voting on the reimbursement request.

“I guess we’re operating under the old ordinance prior to revision. It’s not clear to me yet what the city’s responsibility is in a situation like this. I first would look at the ordinance, the one that was in effect when Poruban brought his charges against Kydes,” Krummel said. “This perhaps is more of a legal question than anything else. We’d have to have a legal opinion first, and I always want to look at things myself.”

source: THe Hour Kydes asks city to pay legal bill, By Robert Koch, February 9, 2008

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23 Responses so far “Norwalk: Ethics Filing Could Cost Taxpayers Almost $14k”



  • 1 anonymous // Feb 9, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    The bill is ridiculous but Kydes is such a drama monger he probably chewed up a lot of his attorney’s time on phone calls. Kydes didn’t need an attorney in the first place, in general he should think before he speaks and in this case he should go after Poruban.

  • 2 Anonymous // Feb 9, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    its like having three police dogs that are never available but we continue to have just that.

    Its like having a police web site and no one to post the most wanted , hasn’t seen a change since the election.

    Its like having a new fire truck grant money tools and no one to drive it.Not that its the case now but its Norwalk just wait and see.

    Its ok to pay crossing gaurds and benefits and let the police do the crosswalks each day.

    Its ok to stock police cruisers with equipment and find it missing when they need it.

    whats 14 grand when your looking at the whole picture?

    I’m sure there is more waste in the city anyone know of any more?

  • 3 Anon // Feb 9, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I can’t wait for Kydes to sue Poruban for defamation (reckless disregard for the truth) and get him in a deposition to testify who (Knopp? Krummel? Wells?) put him up to it.

  • 4 taxpayer // Feb 9, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    If Kydes gets Common Council approval for the taxpayers to pick up his bill (and he likely will with this mayor and CC), then what good will an Ethics Committee ever be. It sets precedent and will mean that each and every time the newly reformed Ethics Committee calls a hearing, the taxpayer is going to end up paying either defendant or plaintiff fees and the poor taxpayer gets it in the pocketbook every time. With so many people like Kydes sliding along just under or above ethical behavior many cases will be heard with someone winning or losing and the city paying. It will also keep decent fair-minded people from bringing complaints before the committee. So the Committee is dead before it even begins. Just how many people want to volunteer for a threatened committee? I am sure some people who have already submitted resumes will be rethinking their applications. I hope Anne Carbone submits her bill. They’ll love that number.

  • 5 taxpayer // Feb 9, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    #1. Pooruban (Poruban) has a history of making statements that are not close to correct. This one was big. Don’t shoot Kydes (he was right) Pooruban was in the wrong.

    Hope Kydes sues Pooruban.

  • 6 high road // Feb 9, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Isn’t the point of an ethics committee that QUESTIONS of ethics violations are investigated by the committee? I didn’t think that the ordinance asks the person raising the complaint to do all the investigation. If the committee finds that there is cause, then they proceed to a hearing. If they find no cause, that’s the end of it.

    So why did the Poruban/Kydes issue go directly to a hearing? When did the ethics committee determine that there was enough evidence to proceed to a hearing that required legal representation by Kydes? What am I missing here?

  • 7 anonymous // Feb 9, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Kydes needed legal representation because he was in hot water and needed an attorney to find as many instances of reasonable doubt as the attorney was able to come up with.

    But, in all reality, Kydes had on his side a Democrat/closet/Republican in Coffey plus McQuaid another weasel Republican and Carvin Hilliard who very conveniently abastained to come up with any shenanigans against Poruban, so Kydes did an overkill by getting an attorney.

  • 8 Anonymous // Feb 9, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    It is always good to have an attorney even if the accusations are baseless. In this casethough, you didn’t need to be a rocket scientist to do the research to find out that his relative didn’t own the property until after he was involved in the redevelopment plan, and he recused himself once she bought the property. There was no need for a hearing and should have been summarily dismissed once that was discovered.

  • 9 Anonymous // Feb 9, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Hey Kevin you produced a bad case. At least blog under your own name.

  • 10 a joke // Feb 9, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    #7-speaking of weasels. Your rendition is mind boggling. There was not enough evidence on Porubans side to warrant anything other than the way it played out. Maybe next time he’ll think twice before listening to Knopp and Slapin. Poruban should be paying back the fees, no money should come out of the taxpayers. As Far as your rediculous statement about McQuaid, your own party voted against Poruban so why drop it on McQuaid? Is it because you know he has more supporters on both sides of the isle than anyone? This what we get when we listen to the likes of Wells and company. If charges are brought against a city official it should be their responsibility to pay their own legal fees and then if they want to be reimbursed they should go after the person making the false charges. All in all, Poruban is wrong for bringing the charges in the first place because he handled it all wrong and Kydes should not expect to have the city pay his bills.

  • 11 high road // Feb 9, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    But isn’t the principle behind “insider trading” having priveleged information before making the buy/sell? So wouldn’t that be the issue here as well — Kydes brother and sister-in-law having access to “insider” information that other buyers would not have had? Just seems a logical question once you know about the relationship. Shouldn’t he have recused himself from discussion as soon as his relatives were beginning to negotaite with the seller of the Globe theater? What were those dates? It jsut seem logical to me — not firvolous at all. And, no, I am not Poruban or Wells or a council member or a commissioner or anything except a citizen who thinks.

  • 12 Anonymous // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    High road- He recused himself from discussion and voting. It was proven in the hearing by his atty that the dates in question were not compromised. Kydes recused himself just as soon as the sister in-law started negotiating. Up until that time there was no need.

  • 13 Anonymous // Feb 9, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    12 is correct on that point, and Kevin could have saved quite a few people a lot of time and money if he would have checked into that prior to filing a complaint.

  • 14 high road // Feb 9, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    But, based on what you are saying, it was not frivolous. When was the information available to Poruban (or the ethics committee) about the date that sales negotiations started? What was the independent corroboration of that? This is what the ethics committee should have ascertained. I still think that this kind of close relationship is exactly what SHOULD be investigated. It certainly would be if there was stock trading involved.

  • 15 Ethics is a joke in Norwalk government // Feb 9, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    High Road, I have to agree with you that the rules to insider trading should apply here too. This bill is excessive and should not be paid by the public.

    If the taxpayers only knew how much public money goes to certain lawyers in town there would such an outcry that these guys would have to move out of state.

    But, a transparent government is almost as much of a joke as ethics.

  • 16 anonymous // Feb 10, 2008 at 8:07 am

    number 15: what lawyers are you talking about ?

  • 17 done // Feb 11, 2008 at 9:56 am

    $450.50 for taking notes????Boy am I in the wrong business. As for the laywers charge?… ridiculous! The tax payers get screwed enough in this town.

  • 18 Anonymous // Feb 11, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    This is just another waste of taxpayer money as is the salary of Bruce No-show Morris and Sue Gunn.
    Is this an attempt to kill the ethics committee before it is even formed? You bet!

  • 19 anonymous // Feb 11, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    #11 high road. After this posting, any other arguments are meaningless. #11 hit the nail dead center. Enough said.

    Kydes is just another weasel trying to increase family coffers at the expense of taxpayers. This is nothing new, just more of the same.

    “Candyman” Esposito gained from developers making hefty campaign contributions. Moccia’s campaign report (November 2007 elections) shows at least 11 developers making campaign contributions including Kydes’ family. People wakeup and smell the Republican “kickbacks”

    WOW an added “benefit”, traffic after the West Avenue (Reed/Putnam) and Wall St. developments will be a nightmare, but who cares, pockets are bulging.

  • 20 Anonymous // Feb 11, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    #11 & #19 AMEN! You both said it ALL. May the TRUTH set you FREE!! V for Vendetta!

  • 21 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 12:27 am

    I know this has nothing to do with Ethics, but did anyone see the our local channel 12 showing how cold its been? Anyone catch the interview with the guy who sleeps under the washinton st bridge in a sleeping bag? You have to feel bad for the guy inhaling all that lead dust while they work on the bridge.

    Imagine what he could do with 14K

    sorry to break the train of thought we have so much more to think about on a cold night like tonight.

  • 22 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2008 at 12:34 am

    The weather service said the wind advisory would remain in effect until 6 a.m. today. The front also was forecast to bring much colder temperatures, with a low on Monday of 13 degrees

    this was for those elected officials in Florida this week, they have to be somewhere Norwalk hasn’t heard from some of them in some time.

    :)

  • 23 high road // Feb 13, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Corp council is quoted in The Hour as saying the new ethics ordinance is “retroactive”. How can an ordinance passed now apply to past cases? That would mean that no case is ever closed, wouldn’t it? If new rules apply, past decisions become moot. I hope he meant that it “supercedes” the old ordinance. Unless he’s trying to find a weasel way to pay Kydes.

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