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Norwalk: Fantasy Numbers? DPW Capital Budget Requests


by turfgrrl


February 2nd, 2008 · 15 Comments

If it comes from MUNIS, the City of Norwalk accounting system, it is a fantasy number. With this startling response to queries by Fran DiMeglio and Torgny Astrom, DPW director Hal Avlrd set the tone for the DPW part of the capital budget review last Wednesday night.

Granted, to some extent the way in which projects get executed play a big role in when funds disperse from the city coffers–but, the problem here wasn’t that commissioners didn’t understand that — after all they’ve collectively been approving capital budgets for years. This is why some specific line item requests seemed to stick in the craw.

The play by play:
DPW budget

Fire alarm and suppression at the garage.

OHSA and safety related stuff are in the garage. Hal claims he only got $15 k out of $631k on the safety issues from last year. The commissioners drilled Hal on the last year versus this year funding.

DeMiglio questions the $15k.

Alvord insists that they only got the $15k on the bollards.

DeMiglio says it doesn’t sound right, Alvord and Hebert wave budget sheets.

The specific $78k line item Alvord claimed was a safety issue. Which is why DiMeglio and Astrom remembered it from the previous budget. So what happened?

Well with the DPW director claiming that the commissioners are looking at fantasy numbers, and commissioners skeptical of the numbers Alvord is requesting, the issue is hanging out there. This in the not unlike the question and parry situation that transpired last year between the Mayor and the Alvord over tree removal funds and vacuum trucks. Gee what a surprise that a vacuum truck appears on this years budget too.

Straightforward, in context, transparent financial statements don’t seem tot be part of the capital budget review process. In the budget book that I reviews, the YTD spending vs prior year line item allocations wasn’t available. I think the Mayor would be on safe ground requesting that Alvord provide this level of documentation. Meanwhile the planning commission will be holding its public hearing on February 6th and Tom Hamilton made his recommendations on the capital budget in today’s Hour.

Alvord did a nice job outlining the energy conservation success they’ve had. He said that when he started, there was no energy conservation plan in place at city hall. Since then, the hours have been throttled back, lighting changes, variable frequency drives controlling the air coming into the building, qualified for $150k of energy rebates with CL & P, and they have an aggressive plan put in place and are looking for continued progress in this area.

After identifying when peak demand was (daytime 12pm -8pm) they have reduced that demand by 11.5% on average. Unfortunately the city doesn’t see any dollar savings because of all of all the rate increases. DeMiglio asks about the $48k of unexpended funds. Hal said they are imaginary numbers if they came form MUNIS. Wrinn says they came from the comptroller. Alvord says look at the available funds from MUNIS that it will say there’s $4.6 million dollars left. Alvord said that they can’t give you monthly reports so they don’t know the real time fund status. He explains that that when the grant money is used they can’t figure out what the used funds versus the unused funds.

DeMiglio says this, pointing to the budget book, is the record of the city. She’s referring to MUNIS here.

Alvord explains that there are encumbered funds.

DeMiglio says the encumbered line item shows zero.

Again an impasse at credibility gulch. They moved onto discuss bridges.

The Perry avenue bridge, according to Alvord, was supposed to be 80% state and 20% local. The $450k they are asking for is the local part. There is no additional property takings that are part of this. Leigh Grant says that CVS should have had a better traffic study. They are planning to add a third lane. There’s some discussion of CVS, the traffic and the lane solution.

Alvord describes the situation with the Tokeneke Bridge removal, they are looking for $350k. They think it may fall in at any moment. The center pier is disintegrated, nothing is holding it up and it is closed to pedestrians.

This is not a new topic. $650k would have restored it as a pedestrian bridge. There are no grants to restore a pedestrian bridge. Lee Levy confirms that Darien will nto contribute to the money. Alvord says that Darien’s DPW will not do anything about this bridge. Briggs suggests the has influence with Evonne Klein. DiMeglio suggests that it should be mayor to first selectmen. DiMeglio says it important to talk to Darien, Dick Linartz says its basically a waste of time. Alvord says at the DPW level the staff in Darien have no interest. Leigh Grant asks if there are notices to prevent people from using the bridge. Alvord and Linnartz agreed to check to see if the signs are still there. Briggs jumped in to say that he will approach Darien since he was instrumental in solving the the thru truck/rotue 136 issue. DiMeglio says she doesn’t think Briggs should be talking to Dairen. Briggs retorts that’s how we got the truck situation resolved.

Meanwhile following the meeting, I spoke to someone in Darien about the issue, and they promptly informed me that Darien was pissed off because Norwalk’s DPW staff never informed Darien’s DPW staff that the bridge was dangerous, that Norwalk was going to put up barriers, and just went ahead at did it. Hrmm, where have I heard this type of story before. Typical in the he said/she said department. You would think that maybe there’s some official memo out there that would clear this up right? So far, none has turned up. The gist though is that Darien put up a white picket fence and made a park on their end of the bridge. It seems silly that Norwalk tax payers should have to shoulder the complete cost of whatever happens to this bridge.

We then get to the vacuum truck request for $270k. Vacuum trucks are used to remove stuff form storm drains. Apparently the fleet of vacuum trucks was so antiquated that no storm drain cleaning was taking place previously, so something like that. Last year DPW was going to replace them all. This year Alvord explains that there are no snow plows on the list and that the fleet replacement has been a plan which has worked, and that they staggered the requests for a reason. Alvord says that have 1 new one, they are about a second one and they want to get this third one this year.

Alvord has consistently said that it takes about $5 million a year to keep up with road paving. That means, maintaining the status quo, and not increasing the number of roads repaved or repaired. At current asphalt prices and the wear of the roads there is a limited amount of work that $5 million will accomplish. Alvord explains the process for street evaluation and then plans out what roads to pave. Crack sealing, contingency, traffic marking, and the consultant have to come up out of there. Interesting the traffic marking is the safety cones etc, you know the ones that weren’t there when they had fort point street redone. Astrom asks about Connecticut ave. Alvord explains that the CL & P has rights to dig up Conencticut ave. Alvord explains that there is a two year moratorium on street digging and that DPW has to approve any emergency conditions.

Lee Levy asks about whether the transmission lines work will require the rods to repave. Alvord says that DOT said that CL & P only had to a temporary patch because DOT was planning to repave the road. The only city street that will be dug up as part of that project is main street at cross to New Canaan Ave. CL & P agreed to provide new curbs and sidewalks on main street and a bicycle path on main street.

Asphalt went up 41% last year. There was no increase this year. (calendar) Alvord explains the cost containment they have done. By explaining the cost containment, Alvord is demonstrating that DPW is working hard at maximizing each dollar spent. Alvord explains that the city puts the permanent patch after the temporary patching has settled.

Walter McLaughlin asks about man hole covers are 1 to 2 inches below the road. Alvord says they do that on purpose because they used to paved over. They have 200 manholes backlogged that they need to replace collars in order to adjust the height of the manhole.

Norwalk River Valley Trail needs $1.5 million to continue the path, there are no grants left. This is from union park to New Cannan avenue. There are no questions.

For the 140 miles of sidewalks that the city owns, DPW is requesting the usual annual $150k. Is that it? Apparently so.

The big ticket items fall under storm-water management. The total amount requested is 7,105 million. $3.4 for Buckingham/Lockwood drainage improvement and $2 million for watercourse dredging for streams and retention ponds. The $2 million just gets them started for one year, which is them overseeing a contractor to do the actual work. There’s extensive permitting and environmental issues on all these. Alvord says that the 5 mile river project is one that they don’t know what the solution is there. Alvord says the DEP will do a watershed stuffy of the 5 mile river, and says nothing would be spent this year.

Alvord says he ahs been seeking $3 million from Senator Joe Lieberman to do the culverts and pipe in the Keller Brook drainage improvement. He says that the $500k and really a grant to give to the DEP. They haven’t spent the $50k from last year but they plan to add that to the $275k form this year to actually fix the problem on the Noah’s lane drainage project. Same issue with the Mary Austin drainage project.

The $850k requested is all for local funds that are not covered by grants.

Torgny and DeMigliio ask why there’s $100k for document management, which Linnartz explains is just to scan maps and files in the capital budget. “It belongs in the operating budget,” says Torgny.

ANother big ticket item is the Haviland Deck project. The need the whole $1 million to fix the deck, and can’t do it piecemeal.

The 14 year old building that is the Sono Railroad facility needs some maintenance. The design ahs already been done. Eastbound and westbound need bathroom improvesment and painting. Same with the Yankee Doodle garage. Repair work has been done over the last 3 years, including stairs and roofs. It’s a 40 year old structure, they are looking for

Torgny asks for the revenues, Kathryn Hebert says that 25 cents an hour doesn’t bring in much revenue. Alvord says that they run the parking lots as a system and not all ltos are self sufficient. They will review rates and plans as economic conditions change in the Wall street area.

Yet another big ticket is the $11,635 million for the Water Pollution Control Department. But Alvord says that $10 million is loans and grants, and $30 million from the clean water fund money. This is for the 145 million water treatment plant upgrade which would be completed in 2012. Norwalk is one of the top 3 nitrogen dischargers into the sound in the state. New Haven and Norwalk has to move forward in order that the state makes its numbers in an agreement with new york. We went form a surplus status to a buying mode of nitrogen credits. (Why?) Right now 14 million gallons on a dry day.

In the 1800’s the system was a combined sewage and stormwater drainage. In the 1970’s it was designed to separate it. There is no plan to do further separation. The big threat to the water in the sound is storm water run off. The waste water is not the cause of the sound water problems.

Briggs asks about the odor issue. They say it’s a standing item. The improvements listed incorporate odor control. They implemented a number of things. Alvord says they are no calls to the hotline. Wow, I’ve watched people make those calls. I smell the smells often at 10-ish through 11ish at night crossing the Stroffolino bridge, often at high tide. No one answers the customer service line at those times.

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15 Responses so far “Norwalk: Fantasy Numbers? DPW Capital Budget Requests”



  • 1 Anonymous // Feb 2, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Briggs should be talking to Dairen. Briggs retorts that’s how we got the truck situation resolved.

    yes he did well now can we please solve the trucks hitting all the other bridges including the washington street RR bridge because of poor markings along the correct truck route.

    Solve one problem create another seems to be Norwalks continuing sage.Be nice if the DPW could make up some signs but the hard asses there point there finger to the state for the correct markings. Trucks are still a problem in South Norwalk just ask the police they spend a lot of time backing trucks up washington street another this week. Two weeks ago structual damage to the washington street bridge took two housr and a two men with cruisers and tow truck to fix how much is a sign nowadays compared to man power we need on the street to combat imaginary crime?

  • 2 Anonymous // Feb 2, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    We then get to the vacuum truck request for $270k. Vacuum trucks are used to remove stuff form storm drains

    thats what we have longo and longo doing cleaning storm drain sponges off the federal money a waste of taxpayers money I’d say.More on this later,

    The saga of vacume trucks go back many years in Norwalk. They have what is called bag houses that always need work but to replace a whole truck was then and is now a waste of money.But each year it seess we are taken for fools because its a subject the voters seem to trust the DPW with.

  • 3 Anonymous // Feb 2, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    osborne ave what else can be done to make it feasable to be called a city road, wake up East Norwalk its getting worse the potholes are becoming craters again. Can we simply leave a collection jars on both ends and have Stamford come pave that?

    Alvord has consistently said that it takes about $5 million a year to keep up with road paving. That means, maintaining the status quo, and not increasing the number of roads repaved or repaired

  • 4 Anonymous // Feb 2, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Jan of 2007 report of the train station

    The South Norwalk Train
    Station is located in the SoNo
    District section of the City of
    Norwalk. The city and the
    Department reconstructed the South
    Norwalk Train Station about 15
    years ago. A parking garage,
    waiting room, ticket windows,
    municipal electricity offices, and
    security office replaced the old
    westbound station building. The old
    eastbound station building was
    rehabilitated at the same time. The
    interior has been nicely restored.
    Motorists can get to the
    station from nearby I-95, Route 7 and Route 1. However, one must be familiar with the since
    trailblazing is inconsistent. Where signs indicate the station, the message is sometimes lost amidst
    the clutter of street, advertising, landmark and business signs.
    A bright, clean tunnel connects the two station buildings. Elevators and ramps provide
    platform accessibility for the less able. The two ten-car platforms serve as center island platforms
    at their respective east ends for Danbury Branch service. At this time, the Department is replacing
    the railroad bridge over Monroe Street as part of its catenary replacement project. Bridge plates
    are in place over Track 3 to accommodate the required track outage.
    The South Norwalk Station is clean except around the two pocket tracks at the east end of
    the station. Track level litter has piled up along the rails and under the platforms. Litter is also
    excessive along the out of service track.
    Maintenance Responsibilities:
    Owner: City
    Operator: City
    Platform Lights: Metro-North
    Trash: Metro-North
    Snow Removal: Metro-North
    Shelter Glazing: Metro-North
    Platform Canopy: Metro-North
    Platform Structure: Metro-North
    Parking: LAZ

    and this is now

    The 14 year old building that is the Sono Railroad facility needs some maintenance. The design ahs already been done. Eastbound and westbound need bathroom improvesment and painting

  • 5 Anonymous // Feb 2, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    I saw a vacume truck on a hook on a big rig leaving the city I hope we got more than scrap for it about a year ago before all the cars left behind the police station.Maybe we should ask for some accountability seems odd like it was pointed out that the subject came up again.

    Maybe the next mayor should be more aggressive with the past performance of the DPW . Why can’t someone simply show up at the DPW and start looking into the files or is that asking to much?

    I’m sure its ready to retire for some , lets see who jumps ship early.That will happen once a new mayor is appointed.

  • 6 Anonymous // Feb 3, 2008 at 1:34 am

    It was seen June 8th of last year being towed over the bridge. How much did we get for a junked vac truck the one that was seen was a $100,000 dollar truck broken it was still worth something do we have a scrap bill ?

    So far this year we have had three vac trucks waiting to be fixed, waiting to be looked at waiting to be replaced, one day i saw a 100,000 dollar truck go by on a hook i trust not to LaJoys,,so with that in mind I’m sure she will need to know exactly what it is we need and if its replacing something or just buying another so it sits behind the old police station

  • 7 Anonymous // Feb 3, 2008 at 2:54 am

    march 21st

    Mayor: Recommends that money recommend in the capital budget be kept in. “We have spent money on storm drainage but we do have money in current accounts, which has not yet been spent.”

    Alvord: Not sure what projects you are talking about.

    Tom Hamilton: Storm drainainge 02-03 capital allocation still available.

    Mayor: Is that committed to a specific project or is it available?

    Wilms: $279k still available, can youproviode a list of storm drains you plan to clear? And for the next year as well?

    Alvord: Yes, but Tigh and Bond ecumberance money won’t be available. (5258 object code)

    Wilms: 9 moths completed and you are spending the $350k in the last 3 months. Are you going to wait like you did this time?

    Alvord: Assuming a good bid, they can do a change order on the exitsing contract, with council approval, can be done in a month.

    Wilms: Trucks on order; 1 or 2?

    Alvord: Just took delivery on one truck last week.

    Wims: What will trucks be doing?

    Alvord: The pipe clearing contract is to clear blockages from pipes. That’s equipment that the city doesn’t have, and won’t have. The vacuum trucks will provide us with the capability to clean catch basins and man holes and space between catch basins and man holes. Routine sedimentation that you have year to year. …. City will have the ability to maintain the system once the blockages and collapes are fixed. Contractors are not cleaning out catch basins. City needs 4 trucks, 3 are 15 years old. At any given time they one is broken. You run out of places to weld, debris tank is the issue, high wear here. In September other truck coming in.

    Mayor: So if they are that bad, why not ask for 4

    Alvord: We have one, one is coming so we need 2.

    A

  • 8 Anonymous // Feb 3, 2008 at 3:26 am

    march 3 2007 seems it gets confusing but its what the blog has reported over the last year.

    A major defense against a heavy rainfall is to divert the rainwater into the city’s 9,000 catch basins. These are regularly clogged with leaves, silt, and debris. The city has four vacuum trucks to clear this, but one is out of service and is to be junked. The other three, over 15 years old, are unreliable, and in and out of repair.
    One new replacement was ordered a year ago and is expected momentarily. A second was ordered in the 2006-07 budget and will be here in November. Two more are requested in this year’s budget at $250K each, 10-month delivery. DPW operators to man the trucks are not always available since they are called upon to operate other equipment. To provide the regularly scheduled maintenance that meets state regulations assuring that the catch basins are clear requires a dedicated crew of vacuum truck operators. This but the beginning. This year Public Works spent $250K to clear many of the known obstructions in the drainage pipes.

  • 9 Anonymous // Feb 3, 2008 at 3:37 am

    the rest of the breakdown is at

    http://www.yourct.com/new/2007/03/03/norwalk-floods/

  • 10 Al Bore // Feb 7, 2008 at 10:57 am

    It’s nice to see Fran DiMeglio and Torgny Astrom are on top of things and care about how and where our money is being spent.

  • 11 Anonymous // Mar 11, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Once considered a state-of-the-art facility, the plant overflows with treated solid waste roughly once a month, sometimes causing emergency closure of shellfish beds in the area, department of public works director Harold Alvord said.

    Why hasn’t a hotline been put in to alert others who want to use or fish the river?

    Does this effect the shellfish industry? Is this going to close beaches this summer like it has during the winter months?

    Makes the work the sponges are doing mute doesn’t it?

  • 12 Anonymous // Mar 11, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    A 24-hour odor complaint hot line set up by city officials so use it and stop complaining.

  • 13 Anonymous // Mar 11, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    ANSONIA — The Water Pollution Control Authority has begun the process so the city can obtain $53 million for upgrades to its sewage treatment plant.
    A 4-0 vote on Monday amends the city’s bonding application for planning, acquisition and improvements to the plant by $34.4 million. The initial bond resolution had the city appropriating $18.6 million, but city engineers decided to do the project in one phase instead of two phases to save money.

    Someone must of explained to them pay now or pay more later. The city is expected to receive about $11 million in state grant money, but will be responsible for the rest through a low-interest loan.

  • 14 Anonymous // Jul 24, 2008 at 10:53 am

    when do we address the old police station? This will crimp some plans Norwalk has I’m sure.Its time to talk about the dangers the lack of safety surrounding the old building full of asbestos.The city once agina has misled its taxpayers and state officials.

  • 15 Anonymous // Jul 24, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    picking up trash is going to cost more money it will have to be done safely now, where is the money going to come from?

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