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Norwalk: Media, Murder and Mayhem


by turfgrrl


January 19th, 2008 · 163 Comments

Yesterday Norwalk was talking about the front page Hour story about Tykwan Hunt’s murder, specifically this part:

“The fact that he’s dead makes the city safer,”said one policeman on condition of anonymity. “If he had lived, he would have spent most of his life in jail. No one should be surprised by where this kid ended up. He lived like a gang member … he died like a gang member.”

Hunt is the second 17-year- old Money Green member to be killed, following the shooting death of Jeffrey “Big Al”Coward on Oct.31,2006.

Today The Hour goes full bore in apologizing for printing the story.

“I regret that the quote was allowed in the story without identifying the officer,” said Chet Valiante, publisher of The Hour. “This allowed the officer to make a statement and then hide behind the cloak of anonymity. Without the attribution, the quote should have not have been included in the story. Police Chief Rilling should have had the opportunity to respond to the officer’s remarks and to set the record straight on the attitudes of the police department members.”

Noelle Frampton, who wrote the original story, should be commended for reporting this story with the quote. This is what journalism is about, investigating and reporting the underlying bits and pieces within the context of the larger story. I’m sure the police officer who made the quote knew exactly how it would play if the attribution was there. I suspect that the police officer was also stating the common line of thinking within the police department about the investigation into this murder. Rilling wants to blame the Hour for exposing the underbelly of police department operations. Note that he isn’t saying that no one in his department would ever say or think what was quoted. Let’s not lose sight of what is really going here.

source: The Hour, Rilling slams Hour coverage, defends department January 19, 2008

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  • 1 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 10:28 am

    It’s really just the first part of the statement that is hard to swallow:

    “The fact that he’s dead makes the city safer,”

    You don’t say that about a young life tragically ended. That’s an insensitive remark by anyone to make. Most cops and most everyone else would never make a statement like that, especially so close to the tragedy when the family is still grieving.

    Whether the Hour should have printed it is open to debate. We all know the Hour has a loose editorial standard when it comes to accuracy and even just plain grammar, let alone an attributed quote. It could have been misunderstood by a hurried reporter as much as anything else. A good editor would have asked for clarification and even confirmation before printing such a harsh statement. The apology by the Hour was commendable.

    However, the rest of the statement makes perfect sense, and the outcry over that part of the statement is silly when the logic is so clear:

    “If he had lived, he would have spent most of his life in jail. No one should be surprised by where this kid ended up. He lived like a gang member … he died like a gang member.”

    Bill Cosby says things like this all the time, as a black man fed up with the culture of violence worshiping gangsta rap and gangs. This should be required reading of parents who lack any responsibility for their kids behavior or whereabouts, and for kids themselves who can’t see past the cool ghetto gangsta vibe of rap music and violence, and who think their life of crime and jail time will be a badge of honor among their peers. They don’t realize that once they are carted off to rot in jail no one will care.

    It would have been an opportunity for Bruce Morris and other so-called community leaders to show some leadership, instead of just complaining about the statement itself.

  • 2 Mr Greenpeace // Jan 19, 2008 at 11:35 am

    I agree lets not blame or use Noelle for a scrapegoat ,I also agree with turfgrrl lets not lose sight

    I would like to simply add when we are all reading about takes on whats out there can we just for a moment think about the few parents that are trying. What have they in their corner when all else fails. We have police and DCF workers trying to help, fix, step in, intercede respond continully to residences with very little resolve. I’m not going to list the hypotheticals every teacher officer or case worker now never says this is a first or I thought I have heard it all.

    I’m not in any way saying its anyones fault for the situation we are in but I would suggest before anyone else comes out to defend the actions of others on the police dept or city officials or schools or parents we take into consideration its not always the parents who have done nothng to try and work the system that has failed so many. There has been like what we have read deflection to another so whomever is trying to build a defense its the other guy who hasn’t or said this and not say we have had these other options in some case not all that simply hasn’t worked.

    I havn’t seen to date that imaginary line drawn for parents to teachers to police to dcf to courts to judges to jail to back onto the streets I think there are too many steps for some not all who have taken this walk and then simply say no one person has failed but the system simply didn’t work for some would be another way to look upon this.

    leadership is what we need right now looking towards our council right now would be helpful that is why we voted for new faces and some older ones as well.

  • 3 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Yes, we can all have our take on these comments, but there is absolutely no defense for someone who is charged with keeping our city safe to make this type of comment about anyone. While I believe in freedom of press, I also believe in having some discretion when it comes to printing something this volitile on the day of this young man’s funeral. Are they even aware of the gang problem in this town? Do they know this put alot of people in danger who attended his funeral as well as the extra man power that was put in place for fear of retribution. Personally I find this officers comments disgusting and demeaning and and an affront to the entire community. I would hope that most intelligent people will not take what was said and make a singular determination against all kids. Just so you don’t get the wrong idea, but not all gang members are black. Take a look around you and you will see they come in many faces and many walks of life. How is it that Bruce Morris hasn’t been in our schools helping these kids and now he is trying damage control. Give me break! Maybe if he had done his job when these problems were brought to him in the past, the gang problem would not have escalated to where it is today.

  • 4 ANONymoose // Jan 19, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    The revelation that Tykwan Hunt was prowling the streets with an illegal .380 pistol concealed in his shorts should come as no suprise. As #1 stated, it was cold and insensitive to label Mr. Hunt’s death as benefit to the community, but the stinging pain of the insensitivity derives from the underlying accuracy of the remainder of the comment. Tykwan Hunt was engaged in criminal behavior merely by illegally carrying a firearm. That act is just the introductory evidence to Hunt’s past unlawful conduct, gang involvement, and the larger issue of mass disregard for the law by his peers.

    Here are some hard questions:
    Who are the adults at #10 Linden Street who permitted the so-called “house party” which prompted the serial criminality by numerous teens? Which other teens were also armed with knives and guns at this melee? Was there illegal consumption of alcohol at this address? How about possession of illegal drugs? Why have prior reports to CT Dept. of Children and Families(DCF)about the truancy of minors residing there gone unheeded? Why are there numerous, unrelated minors claiming #10 as their legal residence in Norwalk Public Schools registration documents?

    Now the furor of political correctness will focus upon the unknown police officer who was quoted in The Hour. He or she will provide public officials with the perfect strawman to attack.

    Already the clamor the officer’s firing and forcing the reporter to reveal the source is escalating. This noise is simply misdirected. Before the information about Tykwan’s “gun” came out, our “leaders” were falling all over themselves to host memorial ceremonies, candlelight vigils, and parades for Mr. Hunt. Has it occurred to anyone that such fawning paeans are inappropriate for criminal behavior. Mr. Hunt was engaged in committing a Class D felony, illegal possession of a handgun. Would the mayor, police chief, superintendent of schools, state representatives, and assorted local reverends and social activists have us erect a statue of Mr. Hunt on the town green? If so, let’s be sure the commissioned sculptor carves a pistol into the waistband. One must wonder if some of the teary eyes we see weeping today were witness to the bloody mayhem of Linden Street…the subsequent silence bearing witness to “gangsta” morality. Even as civic officials pander, the brutal legacy of gang slaughter grinds through our courthouse. Kim Worell, 19, lay face down during the brutal robbery in which he was executed. Marcus Watson testified for the prosecution, fingering his running buddy Luis Rivera for the murder…both were gang members.

    The inordinate and inappropriate attention afforded Tykwan Hunt in death is vested in the erroneous hope that similarly vicious retribution by other thugs will be abated, but appeasement never works. A better message to our young people might be, “As ye sow, so shall ye reap.” When one chooses to take a gun into the street after midnight, one must expect bad things will ensue. Expect to engage in criminal activity. Expect to inflict pain on your loved ones and on your victims. Expect to associate with other like-minded law breakers. Expect life to spiral down a tragically predictable road, much like Linden Street itself, to a lonely, ignominious, death, bleeding out in a dark parking lot.

    No speeches. No Honor. No candlelight.

  • 5 ANONymoose // Jan 19, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    The revelation that Tykwan Hunt was prowling the streets with an illegal .380 pistol concealed in his shorts should come as no suprise. As #1 stated, it was cold and insensitive to label Mr. Hunt’s death as benefit to the community, but the stinging pain of the insensitivity derives from the underlying accuracy of the remainder of the comment. Tykwan Hunt was engaged in criminal behavior merely by illegally carrying a firearm. That act is just the introductory evidence to Hunt’s past unlawful conduct, gang involvement, and the larger issue of mass disregard for the law by his peers.

    Here are some hard questions:
    Who are the adults at #10 Linden Street who permitted the so-called “house party” which prompted the serial criminality by numerous teens? Which other teens were also armed with knives and guns at this melee? Was there illegal consumption of alcohol at this address? How about possession of illegal drugs? Why have prior reports to CT Dept. of Children and Families(DCF)about the truancy of minors residing there gone unheeded? Why are there numerous, unrelated minors claiming #10 as their legal residence in Norwalk Public Schools registration documents?

    Now the furor of political correctness will focus upon the unknown police officer who was quoted in The Hour. He or she will provide public officials with the perfect strawman to attack.

    Already the clamor for the officer’s firing and forcing the reporter to reveal the source is escalating. This noise is simply misdirected. Before the information about Tykwan’s “gun” came out, our “leaders” were falling all over themselves to host memorial ceremonies, candlelight vigils, and parades for Mr. Hunt. Has it occurred to anyone that such fawning paeans are inappropriate for criminal behavior. Mr. Hunt was engaged in committing a Class D felony, illegal possession of a handgun. Would the mayor, police chief, superintendent of schools, state representatives, and assorted local reverends and social activists have us erect a statue of Mr. Hunt on the town green? If so, let’s be sure the commissioned sculptor carves a pistol into the waistband. One must wonder if some of the teary eyes we see weeping today were witness to the bloody mayhem of Linden Street…the subsequent silence bearing witness to “gangsta” morality. Even as civic officials pander, the brutal legacy of gang slaughter grinds through our courthouse. Kim Worell, 19, lay face down during the brutal robbery in which he was executed. Marcus Watson testified for the prosecution, fingering his running buddy Luis Rivera for the murder…both were gang members.

    The inordinate and inappropriate attention afforded Tykwan Hunt in death is vested in the erroneous hope that similarly vicious retribution by other thugs will be abated, but appeasement never works. A better message to our young people might be, “As ye sow, so shall ye reap.” When one chooses to take a gun into the street after midnight, one must expect bad things will ensue. Expect to engage in criminal activity. Expect to inflict pain on your loved ones and on your victims. Expect to associate with other like-minded law breakers. Expect life to spiral down a tragically predictable road, much like Linden Street itself, to a lonely, ignominious, death, bleeding out in a dark parking lot.

    No speeches. No Honor. No candlelight.

  • 6 Help eachother? What an astounding concept! // Jan 19, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Yesterdays news the day after tomorrow, maybe.
    This is beyond shame full, this is liable
    Liable for cruel arrogant suffering and pain by our entire community, liable for officers lives that have been jeopardized needlessly and carelessly, liable for punitive damages to the family and our community. Everyone knows there is no independent sources within city limits to get the truth, but to inflame tensions that are already at a boiling point, well there will be a debt to pay for this. I only can hope its only the owner, publisher,editor and reporter who are held to pay the piper. I am frightened this will not occur and the bloodshed will increase. As a responsible loving involved aware parent and a life long member of the community and just can not digest the incompetence especially by those of means and power. Krummel stated, “This is the end of democracy as we have known it.” Bill democracy has been on its deathbed since 1962.
    This is nothing but controlling the masses Our leadership, on all levels do not represent the peoples interests. This is not a democracy A democracy is government run by the people for the people, to assist the people in united progressive
    actions that cannot be handled individually. Our community is in a crisis. Our country is in a crisis, the world is in turmoil Yet we choose to listen to subjects that are not disturbing. We choose to trust those we elect to do what is right so we do not pay attention We swallow what is spoon fed to us, we do not seek out facts and make judgements based on fact and reason, we accept what is spoken or written. I have always said things will continue to deteriorate until the average Joe’s wallets empty than he will open his eyes and start asking questions. What goes on in the streets, in state and federal institutions are not a concern. The problems we are beginning to awaken to haven’t happened overnight. The corruption the addictions the violence the mental illness, the inequality that is a catalyst for these social crimes and ills are not going to go away anytime soon. It took us along time to destroy what our forefathers built and passed on to us. It took us a good while to destroy their solidly built foundations. This country may not survive if we don’t all start paying attention and look at greed the same way as we view adultery.
    Something to not do, something that is shame full and disrespect Hull to those around you that love you and to the entire community. Our society may be a lifestyle sought by many and many are crashing the gates to get in. I have always asked myself to get into what? An insane lifelong dash of purely immediate self gratification. The one with the most toys and notches on the bedpost wins. This is insanity. Interesting how being in the middle of all of it and the exposure to truths so controlled and manipulate, aka propaganda, its a wonder anyone stops and says hey wait a minute, this isn’t happiness, isn’t that what this country is all about, why so many millions have given the ultimate sacrifice, the right of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Nothing in those original charters about truth accept to try and keep the sunlight by the separation of states and powers and the unalienable right of freedom of speech. When I attempted to explain to people that Bush was unstable and was going to slaughter millions for nothing more than a bird being flipped at him by Saddam, I explained the murders on the planes were not Iraqis but Saudis you know the ones that we pay every last penny of our lunch money to. the Saudis attacked us but who does bush retaliate against just to strut the testosterone the guy who said fu to 41 and 43 after Saddam took all our dough and now didn’t need us any longer. I realized that everyone and I mean everyone I spoke with took the administration pill hook line and sinker and completely dismissed plain obvious facts for repeated rhetoric from all mediums. We lost control of America long ago, I am saddened when I ponder even if the sleeping gullible masses awoke, it may be too late for mankind. For our little community, there is no hope, that died along while ago to. So no one should be surprised by the attitudes by those on the frontline’s. Its not the cop who gave up, he/she is out there taking it from all sides day in day out. It is the public, it is you, reading this, replying with a rant of OH MY how horrible, than switch over to the days of our lives and escape. The day will come again where no one will be able to escape. The day may be near. Try selling your home? Its bad, its been bad and its going to get a lot worse before everyone awakens and unites and make it better from the inside out. I have been out there, I have been in the projects attempting to organise, people are desperate for help for real solutions they want to make it better, they want to have that American dream of ownership of a home. The problem is not the people, the people our continuing to suffering dearly. You cant give up on people anyone, if we do, we give up on ourselves. The Hour owes this community big time and has for a very long time. A mother surviving on nickels a day with no real help anywhere, no way to feed and clothe her children, no way to attend city and community meetings, how is her voice her pleads her sobs heard? There not. The hour and all mediums of public information have a duty and obligation they have let fall by the wayside as the profit lines dip below 25%. Greed, is the seed to our own extinction. and so it goes…

  • 7 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Well said and well intentioned I am sure #4, but it doesn’t take away the fact that something needs to be done and parents aren’t holding up their part of the bargain. Apparently neither is DCF or anyone else who has been aware of the activity at #10 Linden. When you have a child raising a child our society begins to crumble. This mother sounded like one of the kids and not like an authority figure. She’s 28 yrs old for God’s sake and her child is 15. She’s still in the party mode herself. She seems to think the situation got a little out of hand. That is the mindset of a child, not of a parent. Who are these other childen that live there. What about the truancy? Who is doing something about this situation? And no one wants to build a statue of Tykwan on the city green, but we do want to show other kids that this is what happens when you take the wrong road in life and we do want parents to see what can happen to their kids if they don’t step up and become real parents. We can’t just turn a blind eye on the fact That Tykwan Hunt could be any number of kids in our town who choose the gang life. A good, descent kid turning to the streets and gang life for what reason? You can say what you want about Tykwan and I’m sure many will, but he wasn’t like this as a young boy on the football field as a well like and happy kid who had a passion for sports and respect and admiration from coaches, fellow players and parents alike. Somewhere something very bad went very wrong and this is the results of some very bad decisions. This in no way condones the gun, the reason behind the murder or the lack of supervision of those 125 kids who showed up that night to watch their so called friends kill each other. Kind of reminds me of West Side Story only in real life with devistating consequences.

  • 8 Mr Greenpeace // Jan 19, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    house parties was the first reason for all of this seems there was a rush to judgement.

    During that period of we forgot we had the xmas murder that the victim was not a gang member.

    Gangs in our schools and parks have become a forefront of debate.

    Did any of these two just surfice this week?

    One would be surprised what some of the officers have to say about this city always quickly discounted by damage control.

    This was not the only murder not the only knife or gun incident in the city so lets talk the here and now.

    whats next? I truly hope we don’t continue to have a code of silence in our police or mayors office like whats on the street and until the next time they have to respond from public pressure its more effective than to threaten curfew. Isn’t there anything else more substantial that could of been said.

    Lead by example would that mean the leaders need to lead

    Our next press confernence should not have to happen from another murder.

  • 9 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    #4 Has stated in the most eloquent way imaginable the whole “story” about the death of another gang member here in Norwalk this past week. The comment & questions seem to me to be right on the money and does a very good job of bringing a good dose of reality to anyone who should happen to read it.
    The questions posed have been asked over & over by countless others before and will probably be asked again. Politian’s and so called “community leaders” would have us believe that government is the “solution” to the deteriorating morals of our youth today, but in reality is just as much responsible. The results of the “womb to the tomb” mentality put forth by “hillary” types are now being seen firsthand by the average citizen. The indoctrination to the mindset of “They Owe Me” by our teachers & professors in our government schools & colleges has created a whole generation of youth that have no conception of right and wrong and believe the lyrics and actions seen in rap music and videos, is how life is supposed to be.
    The fact that these youths will be in control of this country in the very near future makes one seriously consider joining the survivalists in the mountains of some distant state.

  • 10 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    What was this thug doing with a .380 in his waistband? Many future felonies were prevented by his demise.

  • 11 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    Great comment #10
    do you think maybe it was planted? Do you think maybe he was dragged behind that dumpster by someone who got scared and dumped the gun with him? Maybe they thought they were helping him by getting him away frome more attacks and then figured what the hell, perfect place to get rid of their weapon. Do you think maybe the person that stabbed him was carrying a gun or someone else had this gun? Where did the shots that were heard come from? Obviously others at that place had weapons. I’m not saying it wasn’t his gun nor am I condoning his affiliation with gangs and criminal activity but look at this the way it should be. There were 3 others stabbed, who did it? How is it that this gun wasn’t found until the body was moved to the coroners office? Usually a body is searched for identification. Where the hell were the so called friends that boast “I got your back”? This should be a wake up call for those little darlings that flocked to this area because they knew this was going to be big. We need to be mad and we need to be mad enough that we do something about this before we find more dead kids behind dumpsters and bushes.
    These kids need to know that No-one’s got their back and one day they will be the ones dying in the name of a gang. I hope these kids that witnessed this have nightmares for a very long time and I hope they realize that the no snitch rule can be used against them if they too get into this situation. To the parents, start watching your kids, you hsd them and they are your responsibility. Don’t depend on others to do your job.

  • 12 Mr Greenpeace // Jan 19, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    #10 getting a library card or getting internet access there is harder than buying a gun. You have to have a license for a lot of things including over the counter meds at cvs where they actually scan your license. there seems to be more of a demand and controls for pseudoephedrine than weapons and bullets.

  • 13 Aunt Bertha // Jan 19, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Thanks #4. Well said. I can not blame the police officer for being so direct in his/her comments. They see these children everyday mixed up in this nonsense. They too get tired and angry.

  • 14 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Let’s take the reporter out of this because there is an editor who should have reviewed her story and who should have made the determination of the appropriateness or inappropriateness of the police officer’s comment. The buck stops there.

    As for the police officer, on what grounds is Chief Rilling hoping to fire him/her?

  • 15 ANONymoose // Jan 19, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    Mr. Greenpeace, you have obviously not tried to purchase a handgun in CT. Any licensed dealer here requires that buyers present a valid CT pistol carry permit before the weapon can leave the store. Further, Tykwan Hunt obviously did not go through the permit application process in obtaining his gun, although as #11 suggests, the weapon may have been planted. While that is a possibility, it is certainly not probable. The more likely scenario has Hunt obtaining the pistol in an illegal transaction.

    I agree with you #7, the potential of this young man’s life was sucked away into the morass of “the street”. I can picture a happy young boy, playing football, at school, or attending a birthday party. But the vortex of negative peer pressure, family history, self-image, toxic popular culture, and ENABLING ADULTS, drew him ever closer to the dark choices he made for himself. In all honesty, not everyone confronted with his circumstances makes the wrong decision, but it’s never easy to do what’s right. I fear that we will lose more young people before this episode ends. Someone carries Tykwan’s blood on his or her conscience, others are silent witnesses, and the shadow of vengeance looms over the whole affair.

    My point was that the opportunistic demogoguery exhibited by many supposed leaders over the past week was unseemly. It does nothing to guide young people away from the squandering of precious life. In fact, it elevates such a wasteful death to celebrity status, and thus encourages even more of this vile behavior.

  • 16 CTY // Jan 19, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Chief Rilling should take care to control his zeal to dismiss an officer who spoke his mind!

    The cop in question may have been insensitive and disregarded the pain of the family, but from where I’m sitting what he said was the truth.

    Does anyone in polite society truly mourn the death of a violent gang member? Only the bleeding heart liberal, and the politically astute would be so outraged about an outcome that seems so pre-destined to have been declared inevitable.

    Grow some back-bone people. There are threats to our society that can no longer be ignored.

    Here’s 10 in no particular order.

    1)illegal immigration
    2)damage done to the economy
    3)the professional political class
    4)$100/bbl oil
    5)the declining quality of education
    6)teachers unions
    7)incumbency disease
    8)gang activity
    9)the War on Drugs
    10)the looming danger of socialized medicine

    What do they all have in common? That’s easy!

    Each affliction has as a root cause the apathy of the populace. The people expect that someone else will do the hard and distasteful things that citizens used to do. We hide behind TV sets and discuss the American Idol winners rather than talk about what rights our government will take away next week.

    Did the officer forfeit his First Ammendment Rights when he joined the force? Show me where he did and you can fire him NQA.

    In the mean time the chief has responded. He has condemned the officers’ statements. ‘nuf said.

    And to all the posters that say all life is “precious”… No, it’s not! I would say that it’s the *quality of a life* that gives it value, not the fact that an certain animal happens to be H. Sapiens! You can call me calous, heartless, and uncaring… Call me a monster, but some lives are valuable and other are not.

    Perhaps your conscience, or your religion forbids you from making judgements about the worth of another human being. Mine does not. Given the absence of data I would err on the side of life, but once the propensity to violence, crime, or terror is established, the loss of that particular life no longer represents a loss of value in my mind.

    P.S. This is a message board, my comments are meant to inflame and arouse a certain amount of passion on either side of the arguement. ;-)

  • 17 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Well said #16 CTY I hear the kid was laid out in his gang colors!!! with his gang all wearing their colors at the funeral. What a bunch of
    $h!+!!! I can’t stand to hear one more stupid remark about this little thugs precious life! He got what he deserved..I’m glad he got it before he’d wind up doing it to someone else.

  • 18 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Jan 19, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    First off, you know the union has to fight for him. He may have said to the reporter this is off the record, or something to that effect. In any case I find the Hour reporter and editor as guiltier than this officer, for publishing this anonymous statement. Someone at the Hour dropped the ball by not reading and realizing what an inappropriate statement that was to print. The reporter should have also known better. If they attempt to fire this officer I see a big problem. First he has the right to speak his mind. Second he may have never dreamt it would be in print. Third the reporter and the editor showed no intelligence at all in printing this statement. I think that this case would go to the Supreme Court if it is appealed. The Constitution covers freedom of speech, it does not say it has to be intelligent. I can imagine how the Mayor, the Chief and the men of the NPD feel about this story. It has set back the relationship between the African American community and the NPD 40 years. On the other hand I think that the community has to realize that this statement did not represent the sentiment of 99.9% of the NPD.

  • 19 Mr Greenpeace // Jan 19, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    #15 not a word you said was incorrect my mistake was not saying the purchase off the street. Did you know there is so much ammo hanging around south Norwalk that at times when the drains are cleaned in an around washington village they find ammo in the debris along with needles in the area of the methadone clinic.

    yes you are correct there is a process as you have said licensed dealer I was wrong not to be specific I’m so use to hearing what the word is on the street.

    Have you any idea how many guns were taken in in the last year alone here in Norwalk?

    let me take you into another world

    The purpose of such legislation is to put a damper on straw purchases–where a person who cannot legally purchase a firearm has a surrogate purchase the weapon for him or her. Currently, a such firearms may be used in crimes and the straw purchaser can claim the weapon was stolen–after the fact. Thus, there is little chance of a straw purchaser being prosecuted. And where do many criminals get their guns?

    The next biggest source of illegal gun transactions where criminals get guns are sales made by legally licensed but corrupt at-home and commercial gun dealers. Several recent reports back up Wachtel’s own studies about this, and make the case that illegal activity by those licensed to sell guns, known as Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs), is a huge source of crime guns and greatly surpasses the sale of guns stolen from John Q. Citizen. Like bank robbers, who are interested in banks, gun traffickers are interested in FFLs because that’s where the guns are. This is why FFLs are a large source of illegal guns for traffickers, who ultimately wind up selling the guns on the street.

    According to a recent ATF report, there is a significant diversion to the illegal gun market from FFLs. The report states that “of the 120,370 crime guns that were traced to purchases from the FFLs then in business, 27.7 % of these firearms were seized by law enforcement in connection with a crime within two years of the original sale. This rapid `time to crime’ of a gun purchased from an FFL is a strong indicator that the initial seller or purchaser may have been engaged in unlawful activity.”

    This was some of the things we learned in class a couple of months ago another great idea we heard was from the Mayors organization meeting soon in DC where our own mayors going to be is a buy back program. For what it costs to buy back a gun is said to be worth the purchse.i trust our mayor will expose himself to other mayors going thru or have been thru the same thing. We can only hope he picks up some ideas there while at the convention.

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/home/home.shtml

    Our mayor said at election time he was a member of the Mayors against illegal guns i was disapointed that I missed the articles in the papaers recently of the things they suggest to combat crime. their programs help mayors who work with their city when guns become an issue.

    this was only suggestions i wish i had some answers

  • 20 CTY // Jan 19, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    #18 says the Hour is guilty of… What…???

    Freedom of the Press is a cherished right! I cannot believe you truly mean that the reporter or the paper should be sanctioned???

    If anything the paper deserves congrats for their decision to print the statement! The officer in question is the only person who has standing to question that, but if he didn’t want to be quoted he should have kept his mouth shut! [/retoric off]

    I sincerely hope that the reporter keeps her notes as confidential as she has the right to! Her journalistic credentials are what is at stake. I hope the NPD respects that!

    No crime was committed by either the reporter or the officer, the expectation is that she was told something “off the record” as a member of the press, is fundamental to our society.

    Kudos to the officer, the reporter, and the editor. This is the way things are suppose to work.

    “Those who would sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither.” — ibid. :-)

  • 21 Anonymous // Jan 19, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Can’t blame the Advocate for much they have not had much news about Norwalk at all. Trying to blame the the Hour and the reporter is lame taking some resposibility while attacking parents parties ect has shown not to be an option. Where did the reporters get the backround and history on this last victim? Police didn’t have a problem with some of the facts on the victims father and his own police record its odd whats good for one isn’t good for the other.Still we have outside critics asking why the crime scene was not secured when they were first called to McDonalds and police dogs were not used to look for additional weapons fact is dumpsters are a commonplace used to dispose of weapons or contraband including beer and wine bottles after an illegal party.The news could of asked a lot more questions why didn’t they?

  • 22 fed up // Jan 20, 2008 at 7:04 am

    the cop should get a medal. he’s in a better position to know about this stuff than any of you. and #11, why are you making excuses? this kid could just as easily been stabbed in self defense by someone that he was assaulting.

  • 23 ANONymoose // Jan 20, 2008 at 8:40 am

    There seem to be some misconceptions popping up here.

    First, while all Americans are protected from governmental repression stemming from their first amendment right to free speech, there is no constitutional guarantee of employment. For example, if a manager of a restaurant were to publicly criticze his chef’s cooking, the owner might fire him. If the chief of detectives finds it necessary to announce that the Chief is an idiot, he will likely be shown the door.

    Secondly, there is likewise, no constitutional protection for reporters who choose to shield their sources. Some states have such “shield” laws or have “whistleblower” protections, but they are separate from the first amendment. There are many instances in which reporters have gone to jail under contempt charges for failing to reveal confidential sources.

    Mr. Greenpeace, your statist solution to the gang dilemma aligns with all those who recommend forced sterilization, curfews, and mandatory abortion. The conditions that caused the current problems of gang violence among our youth stem, not from too little governmental presence in their lives, but rather from grandiose plans to substitute state agencies and social programs for parental responsibility. To suggest that ever more stringent gun control measures would have prevented Hunt or any other criminal from obtaining a firearm is foolish. You would, however penalize lawful gun ownership if it were not for that pesky 2nd amendment(see Parker et al v. District of Columbia and Dist. of Columbia v. Heller). Plus, all of the victims in this saga were stabbed not shot. Shall we call for the registration of all knife sellers and convene a mayor’s conference to shut down Chicago Cutlery?

    Lastly, I apologize to the critics of my choice of the word “precious”, for any vagueness in my meaning. The intent was not to convey that all lives are equivalent in an egalitarian sense, but rather that life in general is precious. That assertion was put forth because I think it’s a mistake to present wasteful disregard for one’s life as somehow heroic. Fawning adulation of those would throw away even their own existence is a public travesty.

    Finally, when considering the comments of our anonymous police officer, we should recall the adage, “The truth hurts.”

  • 24 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 11:26 am

    #22 why are you attacking #10 they seem to be one of those here that is trying to make sense of all this crap. None of what they said is so far fetched. You all seem so intent, including Mr. Morris to make this into a Black thing. Its not so wake up . There are just as many white and spanish. chinese etc in the gangs right here in Norwalk. Bruce keeps making it a black thing and causing more dissension within the city and between the kids. This is a universal color/nationality problem. In case no one believes this, do yourselves a favor and sit on Westport Ave any given night and watch these non blacks terrorise anyone who dares get in their way. Go to Norwalk High School and look at the gang colors there and notice who’s wearing them. go to main street and see they are muti color groups with the pants down their butts, hoodies and caps wearing certain colors in each group. If you can actually say I’ve never seen that, you are turning away from the problem and need to take off the sun glasses, Look at the kids that were on the news from that party, 1/2 were white and many were girls. Bruce needs to look at this as it is and not try to raise problems in this city. This is why we have problems, because of people who want to make it look like the black kids are the bad kids. He shadows that by saying no one understands how it is when a kid grows up with only one parent and don’t have what others have and so they find ways of getting it and they naturally choose gangs as there families. by those statements he is putting blacks down worse than anyone can, he putting all black kids in a category that isn’t true. There are many scholar black children in Norwalk and surrounding towns and by these statement it is nothing more than ratial profiing at its worse. We need open minded non biggotted leaders who understand the real problems, want to help all teens and don’t care to separate them into categories. We are all fooling ourselves if we fall into what some of those who profess to be all knowledable are trying to dish out. The ultimate problem is that many, not all of our teens look at gang life as a glorious alternative to their problems and we as adults are not seeing their warning signs.

  • 25 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    my white kids have to dress a certain way in middle and high school so colors are important gang or not. They at xmas time would love something but the wrong color. They also said wear the wrong colors and have probelms. they don’t belong to a gang and have both paerents at home. I can’t blame it on house parties.

  • 26 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    #23 I agree with most of what you say up to the point

    not from too little governmental presence in their lives,

    I’m concerned our local officials are not producing enough response to our citizens.

    last night at closing a friend on Woodward ave had a patron in his business holding a handgun looking for some money. Who protects him where does he sit in all this crap?

    My facts are answers to some cities fighting crime they reconize where to fight crime. wait for the parents your waiting for a train that never is coming. We need help now where do you suggest

    I never suggested more laws I’m saying we need help enforcing the ones we have. When other cities invite other agencies to help out its a step like Bridgeport and Stamford.

    I keep asking armchair citics do you think we have language barrier problems in the city?

    I ask because I know after listening to police officers here in the city the answer?

    Whats your take on whe we do and what has Rillings done about it?

    This is one factor making it impossible at times for the police to do there job and impossible for the 911 operators to clearly understand what is going on to dispatch fire police or abulance. One ems worker told me they showed up and an ems was not what the victim needed.

  • 27 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    #26-you are so right.and this is why we need to be more observant. I too have heard that if these kids where certain colors they are accused of being in gangs and if they wear so called wrong colors they will be targeted by those who are in gangs. This has become a sad way for kids to live. I personally think a specific dress code without the allowance for “colors” would be something schools should look into. A child may show up to school one day with what “gang members” percieve to be the “wrong” colors” and be targeted for no reason what so ever. This is a hell of a way for kids to function. They have enough problems as it is with puberty, peer pressure etc. without having the worries of being targeted by the gang wanna be’s who feel the need to intimidate. This why we as adults have to become more in tune with what is going on. This is why we cannot allow those who wish to put labels on black vs white vs gangs vs backgrounds. kids get into these problems because of lack of parental involvement and lack of supervision. Parents need to stop making excuses and stop saying “not my kid” they need to look at this as what it is, any one of these kids can become involved in gangs without the proper attention to the small warnings. If you see a change in your childs personality, if they start dressing differently, if they become secretive and aloof, if they suddenly or not so suddenly start changing friends and places they want to go to, if they become disruptive and arrogant, these could be signs of bigger problems. Don’t get offensive when someone tells you they saw your child someplace they shouldn’t be and don’t get defensve if a teacher tells you something you don’t want to hear. Take it as a warning sign that something could and might be wrong. You are doing your kids more harm by hiding from the truth and sooner than later they can be a part of what we have seen in the past week. This is nothing new, kids are easily swayed by others and if you hide from it, it can and will get worse. If you feel you can’t handle it on your own, seek help from others but don’t turn away from it.

  • 28 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    I think going after the mayor mista G brings out your “armchair critics”. Your facts always tied to the mayor or police only draws anxious moments from within .Keep them up its informative if anything.

  • 29 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    #28-I don’t see anyone going after the mayor. You are making something this is not about. People here are trying to get answers and trying to help each other understand this disastrous mess while trying to find solutions. Making negative comments is counterproductive and bringing the mayor into this conversation is counter productive not to mention a bit self serving. This goes way above the mayor, the chief or anyone else. This is about getting answers and looking for solutions. I believe the only person who has been named here as being counter productive is Bruce Morris who by linking all black persons to this problem is causing more damage than damage control. This is the same man who spends little or no time with the kids and makes decisions based upon election cycles and B.S.ing his constituents into believing that he has their best interests in mind. He makes this a black issue when it is clearly not and by doing so has linked every black child in this city with poverty and gangs. Way to go Bruce. Did you learn this method while studying for you Master’s degree? As far as armchair critics goes, take a look in the mirror, you seem to make only negative and abusive comments about those on this and other threads and never bring anything to the conversation. If everyone had your negative attitude we would be in trouble for sure. I think the Mayor can hold his own and I think he has tried pretty hard to address these situations but it takes more than him to stem a problem that didn’t just happen. The gang problem has been here for many years whether or not some want to admit it, Unfortunately some would like to pull down the shades as if that will make it go away.

  • 30 HA // Jan 20, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    ha ha

  • 31 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    bringing the mayor into this conversation is counter productive

    http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/home/home.shtml

    Our mayor said at election time he was a member of the Mayors against illegal guns it was part of campaign .You figure we would hear something by now crime seems to be an issue. It was good enough to talk about it now its time to use the resources put up or shut up is the saying.

    A gun was used sometime last night in a crime on Woodward ave no house party or parent was involved yet the street talk is someone had the gun pointed at their face

    who do we get direction from forget he is the mayor isn’t he a police commissioner? whats that job do ensure Rillings a lifetime position?

    This mess didn’t happen overnight and the gangs just didn’t come here by Greyhound.

  • 32 Aunt Bertha // Jan 20, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    There have been many acts of violence in the past few years that have left many people with broken hearts and empty dreams. These acts have not all been committed by gang members and they have found all kinds of people spreading the evil. When our youth is involved it is scary. We question our neighbors and how they are raising the children. What have we done to help? Have we called to point out problems? Have we talked to children and asked of them an answer for their lack of participation in school, academic or social, we should know what they are dealing with. Should we think about uniforms for students? Platt Tech went to uniforms this year so that students could concentrate on their schooling.I know some of you will say that is as bad as asking for curfews.
    I believe we can make a difference if more of us step up.

  • 33 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Last Updated: Friday, January 11, 2008 | 6:18 PM MT
    CBC News
    Uniformed and plainclothes Calgary police officers will keep watch over a funeral for a gang member Saturday

    that was obviously without Noelle article

    CLEVELAND — The Cleveland School District used drastic measures on Wednesday to regain control at South High School
    Out of control behavior during and after school had reached a crisis point. this was in 2004 you would think by now our city would learn from others years later

  • 34 Anonymous // Jan 20, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Aunt Bertha, very well said.

  • 35 Mr Greenpeace // Jan 20, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    thanks Aunt Bertha I try and simply draw a picture from the past or as you can recently to show yes crime happens everwhere and yes it gets addressed in some cases years ago so what has taken so long here in Norwalk.

  • 36 Anonymous // Jan 21, 2008 at 9:16 am

    The sweep was law enforcement’s answer to a violent week in Boston in which four people were killed in four days. One of the victims was killed leaving the funeral of another. One was shot while eating at a restaurant. The total of eight slayings three weeks into the New Year is four times the homicide rate at this time last year.

    Most of those arrested were held without bail pending a court appearance tomorrow, police said.

    In the sweep, police working with the FBI and the US Marshal’s Service flooded city neighborhoods and so-called hot spots of crime, arresting at least 67 people in the first day. Over the weekend, police continued to flood neighborhoods, providing a visible presence to try to quell the bloodshed.

    Community activists said the increased police presence was needed to stem a tide of violence that has grown so brazen that people are shooting each other in daylight, in public places.

    “A lot of these people think they can get away with murder, not only get away with murder but get away with it in broad daylight,” said Matthew Machera, a former prosecutor and chairman of the board of the Ella J. Baker House in Dorchester.

    Machera said the arrests of known players has taken off the street people who might engage in retaliatory killings or be targets themselves.

    “Sometimes, getting these people off the street is getting the next potential victim off the street,” he said.

    Plus, he said, it lets criminals know that police know who they are and that “we’re watching you.”

    Machera said the sweep is an anticrime tactic police often employ to stem an uptick in violence.

    Still, he said, police can only do so much. Community action is needed to attack the culture of the violence, particularly a “no-snitching” mentality that has swayed witnesses from coming forward, he said.

    Ok so we are not Boston but Boston didn’t sit around and point the fingers at the parents, police or house parties. They did point out how the No snitching mentality works their officials didn’t come out and talk garbage as if they were out of touch with the streets. They went out to the streets and employed outside help and did something they simply didn’t offer excuses or a curfew as a solution.

    lead by example would be a start in Norwalk this kind of action sends a message that most on the streets don’t read on blogs.

    visiblity works

  • 37 None // Jan 21, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Maybe we should bring back Capt Cashin to investigate the officer who made the accurate comments. He seems to know a thing or two about “bad apples”.

  • 38 Anonymous // Jan 21, 2008 at 10:53 am

    #37-again, counter productive. Lead by example is a better way of dealing with these situations. There is nothing wrong with with curfews and rules for teens. It keeps them safe and keeps them within the law. As for the comment by the cop, I am sure many cops feel the same about many people they come in contact with, however, they are diplomatic enough not to have it splashed across the front of the newspapers and news casts. We all have our own thoughts on many matters and thankfully Turf has given us a place to vent but when it comes to police and the mayor and elected officials they need to show some diplomacy if they expect to command respect.

  • 39 Anonymous // Jan 21, 2008 at 11:16 am

    your right John left a few behind. I’m sure with all that one could contribute on our present situation only someone who has trust our current staff and commisioners would throw stones thats all that is left.

    Captain Cashin currently serves as the investigative services commander in the Norwalk Department of Police Services. Although he is officially retired, the department has a special program that allows him to remain on the job for five years.

    Captain Cashin made a strong showing in his interview, injecting some humor into his well-crafted answers to the selectmen’s questions. He told them he spent part of the day of his interview walking around Vineyard Haven, and he was caught off-guard by people who started up conservations with him. “Where I’m from, it means they’re going to show a weapon very soon, or they’re going to be committed very soon,” he joked.

    Captain Cashin said yesterday that Tisbury seems to have a real sense of community, which he enjoys because it reminds him of his old neighborhood growing up in the Bronx.

    “I would like to have an administration based on outreach and responsiveness,” he said. “I would like open communication with the community and selectmen, and Tisbury is a small enough town for a relationship like that to be possible.”

    administration based on outreach and responsiveness like that happens in Norwalk

    I would like open communication with the community and selectmen, we certainly have that here in Norwalk don’t we?

    Why would anyone want to come back to Norwalk ?

    maybe some missed it but lets compare like it was suggested in other cities it happens and it gets dealt with.

    Last Updated: Friday, January 11, 2008 | 6:18 PM MT
    CBC News
    Uniformed and plainclothes Calgary police officers will keep watch over a funeral for a gang member Saturday

    that was obviously without Noelle’s article to fuel
    people who seem bent on rattling off every imaginable conspiracy concerning Norwalk police and run-away crime in Norwalk

  • 40 Anonymous // Jan 21, 2008 at 11:23 am

    As for the comment by the cop, I am sure many cops feel the same about many people they come in contact with, however, they are diplomatic enough not to have it splashed across the front of the newspapers and news casts.

    wanna bet?

    I know plenty of cops who direct their thoughts all the time to reporters in hopes they are quoted.

    the net is a wonderful thing instant feedback :)

  • 41 Anonymous // Jan 21, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    why don’t we have outside help?

  • 42 We CAN // Jan 21, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    There has been too much negativity and prejudice on this blog. Suggestions for solutions, rather than finger pointing and off the wall biased comments, would be a productive achievement. How about a little inspiration. Any leaders with courage to stand tall in our community?

    http://www.godparentsclub.org/godparents_youth_organization.html

    Comon people, lets move FORWARD.

  • 43 npdsupporter // Jan 21, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    How about a little inspiration.

    Ok here is something

    The last victim in the city who was assaulted with a handgun about an hour ago is doing fine according to an EMS worker.

    would you like sugar with that inspiration?

  • 44 Anonymous // Jan 21, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    There have been several people on this blog who have offered to organise a committee to start community meetings. Has anyone heard what’s going on with that?

  • 45 Bev // Jan 21, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    A friend of mine asked if they could help, it was said they were all set no was more the answer given. clearly that discourages me from offering .I am new to this city who is Mr Morris anyway? Who else can my friend and myself ask?

  • 46 Joanne // Jan 21, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    I have offered to start Norwalk Neighbors Helping our Teens (NNHT) If anyone is interested in getting this started, please contact me. This would be a city wide effort that would include all neighborhoods, teens, parents, city officials , churches, Synagogues,teachers and persons who are trained to address the needs of our teens. There would be round table discussions in a different neighborhood grouping throughout the entire town once a month. Something much like the Neighborhood Associations that are in place now. It would be great if these associations would be a part of this as well. We would devise ways of helping our teens with the understanding that we will listen to their needs. The only way that this can be successful is if the teens are part of the discussion panels. I would like to see representatives from each High school and each Junior High School (Students) That would be a permanent part of the committee. If this sounds like a good idea, please contact me at:
    mimijo52@yahoo.com All suggestions are welcome.

  • 47 Aunt Bertha // Jan 21, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    I’ll do what I can Joanne. I will email you tonight.

  • 48 Bev // Jan 21, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Its a great idea and its nice for some of us that don’t know anyone to hear a welcomed voice. I hope that made sense.

  • 49 laux Esomoha // Jan 21, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    The comments that Rilling made were a crock! “He vowed to find the officer who made the remark and fire him” … “yesterday’s newspaper story was irresponsible” Were was this concern about leaks, negative comments and irresponsible reporting when one of his best, brightest, and most loyal Detective got accused by a liar and had his reputation ran thru the dirt. Where was his concern to fire that leak and that officer for his negative comments? I guess he really can’t fire himself now can he?

  • 50 npdsupporter // Jan 21, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    outstanding Laux, great idea Joanne sounds like a good start.

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