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Norwalk: Curfews!


by turfgrrl


January 16th, 2008 · 85 Comments

While I’m going to have some fun on the subject of curfews, the real problem, as the Mayor identified, are parents. Curfews you see, are something parents should impose, and apparently too many parents think that its okay to arm their hormone raging teens with time, money, cars and cellphones and that somehow college prep study groups will spawn. Seriously, hasn’t anyone seen Footloose?

The Hour reports:

Saying he is drawing a line in the sand, Mayor Richard A. Moccia on Tuesday threatened to impose curfews on youths in the city if they continue to be involved in out-of-control house parties and roam the streets at night committing mischief.
“I really don’t want to do that,” said Moccia, “but if it continues, we’re going to have to send a message to somebody.”

Moccia spoke at a City Hall news conference in reaction to a party last Friday on Linden Street that turned violent, with four youths being stabbed, one of whom died.

“I’m angry. I really am,” said Moccia. “We lost a young man and we’re going to stop it.”

Moccia said he has repeatedly asked, “Where are the parents?” when youths are out late at night committing vandalism and scrawling graffiti on city and private property. He said he understands parenting in today’s society is not easy, but there are many resources to help, including churches, social services agencies, and school resource officers and guidance counselors.

“They cannot just throw up their hands in the air and say, ‘I can’t control them,’” said Moccia. “They cannot use the excuse, ‘They have a cell phone, I know where they are.’ It’s no longer parent involvement. It has to be parent engagement.”
Friday night, police were called to a home at 10 Linden St. twice on complaints of noise, with the second complaint adding that people were roaming in the street. When they arrived the second time, officers reported as many as 100 youths were in the area, many of whom began running away at the appearance of police.

source: The Hour, Mayor poses curfew as way to curb teen violence, January 16, 2008

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  • 1 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 10:18 am

    again no insight

    top ten reasons cities complain about

    Offenses occur before curfew hours. Therefore, the curfew is ineffective

    Curfews treat all youth as violators. It turns off good kids and is unfair to them

    It ties up the police and keeps them “babysitting” all day long

    There is no place to take the kids. Often the parents are not home

    It causes more crime during non-curfew hours.

    Our gang task force has caused an increase in costs (Do we have one yet)

    The problem is getting judges to take curfew cases seriously

    A small segment of our population feel it is the parents’ responsibility to say when a child should be indoors.

    We need to avoid harassment and need to avoid focussing on minorities or specific neighborhoods

    We had to add $1 million in new police payroll to enforce our curfew

    To add to this list but its been pointed out most murders and stabbings happen on the streets and not always later than curfew.House parties to blame is simply out of touch with society.

    Odd how most don’t have kids or can’t relate to a child making these absurd suggestions.

    I would of felt better if we looked at our city resources and had suggestions to improve our police force as well.

    I’m not Mr G

  • 2 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Parents, parents parents! Here is the problem and the solutiuon! Get off your butts and out of the party scene and start spending time with your kids! Start enforcing rules and start teaching them right from wrong. Kids learn from what they see. Hand them cash and the keys on Friday night and see what you get! How about spending some time with them on Friday night? Or, have you neglected the family unit so long that its too late? Don’t expect cops and teachers to rear your kids. You decided to become a parent, now act like one!

  • 3 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 10:38 am

    average age of arrests and court defendants are 25 to 45 here in Norwalk are we talking sending these perps to the bingo halls with their parents?

    enough get a grip on whats going on the crime in the city are not just kids for the most part its the ones who are buying selling and corrupting our youth. But you knew that the way you prescribe remedies.

    Wasn’t it Turfgrrl or one of the threads that suggested tracking crime in Norwalk, give us some stats to work with lets hear what has happened in the city since the new year.

    Funny how some defend the mayor and are side stepped from what was once suggested as good police stragedy and practices.

    conspiracy continues but not by my post

  • 4 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 11:11 am

    For the most part #3 you are correct, however, look at the age of the ones who committed the last murders, they are kids under 20. Yes, the problem is those who are older by enticing the young kids but the parents need to be in tune with where their kids are and what they are doing. If you take offense at asking the parents to be responsible for their kids, then I am sorry but values start at home, respect starts at home and how kids conduct themselves should be taught at home. We can’t expect the police and teachers to be the only ones to educate our kids against drugs, crime and other problems. Parents need to make the first impression. I was in no way defending the mayor or anyone else, I was just stating a fact. Parents need to be involved in their kids lives and set bounderies. I am not saying that all parents ft into this category but there are many who do.

  • 5 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 11:56 am

    I respect every word you say #4 didn’t take anything to heart.

    The cell phone issue as was brought up is very disturbing.

    I was made aware a while back crime fighting ways on the street now is the 911 and local police use text messaging. A crime goes down and a concerned teen wants to reach out and call 911 he or she could be next if caught snitching.

    They now make it possible from your pocket from a private stance to call 911 and even decscribe a shooter or get away car to your police and not be the next victim for snitching.

    Se we have out here armchair critics that do not know the streets but the answers.But want to continue to back the three stooges when a press conference occur. Not on crime but just kids.

    I’m sure Rillings and Dick have the info it was given over a year ago so I trust by now they have it.Do we have a way for a child with a cellphone to text message a crime here in Norwalk?

    What bothers me the most is the conspiracy issue those who accuse are generally the ones guilty. While others who could contribute either take a chance and be attacked for suggestions or made to feel like your thought is not warranted for the streets of Norwalk.

    I was under the impression the murder xmas the suspect was 27

    so the question is , does a text message sound like a suggestion for the Norwalk police to use when now they blame snitching a problem in the city?

    Its one thing to say its a problem but what do we pay these guys for? i would like to hear some suggestions they know what the problems are they say.

    now does this sound like Mr G?

  • 6 Al Raymond // Jan 16, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    I`am sorry, but it looks as if were trying to blame everyone else for our short fall. I helped raise four boys yes it was very hard but we got though it well I think. Yes we had our problems but nothing bad really to speak of. And the way we did it was to keep our boys busy with sports,band and yes we needed to know were,when and how and if things changed they had to call and ask first before they could make a change in plans. As parents we took on the responiblity of knowing what our boys were doing at all times yes sometimes they got out of hand but you need to reel them back in.In this day with cell phones I just don`t understand how a parent can not know where there child is most of the time. You know I have always said you don`t know love until you have had your own child and to let something happen to that child would just drive me crazy.So I guess what I`am trying to say is Parents you need to take back control of the thing you love the most your children.Because you don`t know what you have until it`s GONE .

  • 7 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Al, this is what make #2 and #4 correct-except that the suspects in Larry Paul murder were indead 24 and 25 yrs old. I have to say that we cannot blame the Mayor for lack of dicipline by the parents. Tough love and stronger reigns may be the anser. Do you think some of these kids might look differently at crime if they could see one of these young kids on a cold slab at the coroners office where no amount of prayers and I’m sorry’s will bring them back? Sure, they are all sitting around saying oh poor Tykwan, but what do you think they would say if they had seen the actual results fron a knife going thru this young man’s chest? Do you think if they saw his lifeless body it might awake a sense of right and wrong? Maybe this is a way to reach these kids.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    To all the kids out there that may or may not read this blog, if you know who killed this young man and you are adhereing to the no snitch policy, you are just as responsible as the one holding the knife. So many of you are walking around today saying he was my friend man, why’d they go and do something like that? Close to 100 of you were there and not one of you saw anything? That’s pretty hard to swallow. There is a grieving mother and family that needs to know why this happened and the police need to bring justice to this case. Think of it in terms of if it was your brother or sister you would hate the people keeping the iformation to themselves. Why not look at this as one of your own and do the right thing? I for one can’t imagine the pain this mother is feeling and I guess no one will unless it happens to them.

  • 9 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    The text message suggestion was not worth commenting on?

  • 10 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Phones have gps capabilities and if a person dials 911 the police can actually check where they are calling from. Parents should look into that. Call your phone provider and ask what the cost is to add GPS to your childs phone. And, most kids have texting capabilities as well as most adults so yes, this is something that could be workable.

  • 11 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Hire police that live in Norwalk and you will see a complete difference in the way they do their job. The police will care a lot more because they are policing where they live, also take the restrictions of the way parents discipline their kid as long as it is not abusive. Hold the parents accountable for their children’s actions. There are too many children in this world having children and society makes it too easy for them to be irresponsible parents.

  • 12 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Is all the trouble with house parties or do we have any problems in the schools with all this talk about gangs and voilence?

    I’m sure with some of the experts who know what are troubles are they would know if there was any concern in our schools?

  • 13 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    “Spare the rod, spoil the child” Does anyone remember this? It is when dicipline became categorized as abuse that we lost control. This didn’t happen yesterday either. It happened as far back as the late 70’s when the parents of today’s kids were brought up. Gee, this worked well didn’t it? As long as a child isn’t beaten to within an inch of their lives, there should be no reason why a child is allowed to have their parents arrested because they a got crack or a good swift kick in the butt. American soxiety has gotten weak and soft and the kids have gone undiciplined. you won’t find this type of behavior in other countries where kids are taught to repect their parents and all adults. Unfortunately many parents today go right along with what their kids believe. They think its cool to be the cool parent. Its ok to have fun with your kids and to have their friends like you, its another to have them walk all over you.
    As far as hiring police that live in Norwalk, Most of our police hail from Norwalk but have since moved because of the high cost of living. What we need is to hire more police and have them cover the same location on their shifts and familiarize thhemselves with the neighborhoods instead of one shift they are in one part of town and in another at the next shift. People feel comfortable when they get to know who is protecting them and the same faces in the same neighborhoods help deter crime because those contemplating wrong doing will know that these police officers know who they are where they can be found. Lets go back to street cops and foot patrol. In your face policing this is what Norwalk needs.

  • 14 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    #12, the problems with gangs start in the elementary schools and excalete as the kids get older. The high school kids recruit the middle schoolers and the middle schoolers recruit the 5th graders. They teach them at an early age about how easy it is to make extra cash by just doing a drop off or how not to snitch and you will be one of the family. Do we have problems? Yes, and they are big problems. I am sorry for those of you who continue to blame the Mayor for all things possible. This is one thing you can’t blame him for. This has been going on for many years and without proper acknowledgement it has been allowed to grow out of proportion. had someone acknowledged this problem 5-6 years ago we could have stemmed some of the activity and therefore reduced the numbers. While I don’t agree with many of the things the Mayor does, sorry but you can’t blame this on him.

  • 15 Jeff Hall // Jan 16, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    I suspect that, if we had enough well-trained police officers to enforce a curfew, then we wouldn’t need to have a curfew.

  • 16 Al Raymond // Jan 16, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    I do agree with #8 that someone must have seen something that night and I do`nt know how they can live with themself knowing that there friend was left there. How I see it is Parents need to take control of there children and the police need to do COMMUNITY POLICING.The Mayor, I would ask him to inforce community policing. This whole thing didn`t happen because of our Mayor it happened because we as parents let it . We have no one to blame but us. Maybe we should have a community meeting at city hall and try to come up with way to regain control of our children and our city.How about it Mr Mayor,Mr Rilling we need to do something so lets start with us.

  • 17 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Good idea! Perhaps we should call a community meeting and get speakers with knowledge on the problems to come and talk to everyone. Rick McQuaid and Joanne Romano had a couple of thesre meetings maybe we should contact them and get them to start them up again.

  • 18 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    I’m with you Al, lets not forget according to my children when Brian Mcmann got out of school today 10 cruisers were in the parking lot braced for gang voilence. This is one more time we won’t hear about whats going on in Norwalk.My kids were a witness to this.

    You and everyone else take what you read and try and fix an on going problem. With what I have just reported now and what transpired at the end of the day at one of our High School parents are not the ones to notify the city there sons snd daughters were in some sort of danger when our public officials knew car loads of youth from east Norwalk were on their way to cause trouble.

    I guess one stray bullet today we would be blaming parents not the police for telling us our children were in danger.

    No danger why the cruisers why the cops the kids know whats going on I say.

    I’m sure when you were bringing up your children you didn’t have gangs at the schools carrying weapons like semi automatics? My day we had baseball bats for the diamond not for protetcion we all grow up differant.

    So whats the deal with BM did we not have an incident that will not be in the papers tommorrow?

    does it need to be in the papers? I think so it will help those who think they know how to run a city but have no clue.I guess I can post this for my kids and you can onyy assume I am correct.

    Al once again I respect what your saying the frustration is when we get people like you that are concerned and don’t know the whole picture we the ones that are having trouble miss out on what you may suggest for the whole problem and not what you have been told by city hall or intro’s on the blog . valuable help may be missed because we are not all informed with the real facts.

    It was suggested that we track crime the best idea to date and that came from the blog she knows who she is.

    conspiracy my ass these are the facts for today

  • 19 Anon432 // Jan 16, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Everyone who posted here agrees on one thing that the violence is crazy and the silent treatment is shutting down the police department’s capability to get the BAD GUYS off the streets faster. I saw the mother of the house on the news yesterday saying how sad she was about the stabbings. Why did she allow this party in the first place? Why were underage drinkers there? And if the police had already been there the first time why was it not shut down? A curfew will only keep the good kids in and safe and is that a bad thing? Parents need to be aware that their little angels are not always angels when they leave their homes to attend these house parties. How fair is it to the police to have one car show up with if they are lucky two officers to a house with 100 youth running around.

    A lot of questions remain. The young people stabbing each other, what does their past look like? Have they been suspended from school? Starting in what grade? What did the parent do when this behavior started? How fast did these people become violent? Are they living in public housing? Should they be held accountable if they do wrong to the community that is taxed to house them? And the list of it all keeps going and going.

    A curfew should be imposed but by responsible parents.

    Accountability for one’s actions with stern consequences for all those involved is the way it used to be. Now everyone is so politically correct they don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings by saying you have done wrong, so it goes on and on.

    It is all a big mess. A mess the Mayor did not create. It is society. A lack of civil responsibility to ones neighbors and ones neighborhood. Some thing that us old timers remember very well. If we got in trouble at school we were waked by the lunch lady who was our neighbor, by the crossing guard who lived up the street and then by or parents.

  • 20 RL // Jan 16, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Parents need to be emotionally engaged from the time these kids are born. Otherwise, those kids will find an emotional attachment elsewhere, good or bad. Our society has turned itself around. Many of these kids do not respect authority figures such as the teachers, police, even their parents. Everyone is afraid to say anything, so they grow up with a poor attitude and selfish behavior and a sense of entitlement.

    It is very sad that in our public schools, teachers have to be very careful not to discipline even when a child is disruptive and distracting the entire class. The police need to be careful to do their jobs. So, what happens is that we throw our hands in the air and let the chips fall where they may.

    Having said that, I think the Mayor took a brave stand about a curfew. If the end of rope is a curfew then so be it. Unless the parents and the rest of the community step up, I don’t see a choice.

  • 21 lifelong teacher // Jan 16, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    I have to agree with the earlier posters that this situation cannot be blamed on the mayor, the police department, or the schools. Parents have to be responsible for their children. It was pathetic to see the adult at whose home this party started on News 12 this morning saying that she “…. still didn’t know what happened and was trying to figure everything out….” She has two sons - where were they? Where was she? Adults can and must be held accountable for what happens in their homes.

  • 22 Anonymous // Jan 16, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    It looks like we are actually getting somewhere with this blog. We are coming to mutual agreement about who is the first link in their childs development. Now we need to get this message out to the rest of the town. I agree that we need to get the community meetings started up again and I do think that #17 is correct, we should contact those who have been involved before and get them to resurect those meetings. Apparently they must know how to get this started. Those of us on this blog who feel this is necessary should get behind them and get the word out to others when a meeting is scheduled. Parents need to be educated on the need for dicipline and need to know where their kids are and what they are up to.

  • 23 Umpire // Jan 17, 2008 at 12:53 am

    I applaud those that call for community unity and exploring the new ideas to an age old problem. Adolescence. It was tough for all of us some more than others but today’s teens face new challenges in addition to the ones we faced as teens decades ago. it is agreed that parents have a bigger role to play but we must understand some economic realities and how these have undesirable effect. Parents both work some have too jobs and even more are out of work. These stresses are not the sole blame of any elected or appointed officials. However they are nor blameless either. More cops on the beat locking up more and more is self defeating insane merry go round. It has been blatantly obvious for generations there are no positive outlets for our teens and jobs are hard to come by even for degree holders. N.E.O.N. has a mandate to address the stresses that come with poverty and we hear every once and awhile some plan is floated but nothing ever gets followed through on. I think Mann and Serasasi should step up to the challenge and find resources to get teen centers that have structured programs up and running. We do not need to tear down places for our teenagers to be teenagers, we need to give them positive environments to focus and challenge and showcase their energies and talents. We are ignoring our most valuable asset Our children and that is unacceptable.

    Perhaps a committee can be formed to integrate all the different agencies and departments and cut the tape to get things done.

    Until we address employment, housing, education and all infrastructure within respectively we will lose the folks that make this town a community. A parent that does care and is paying attention and is involved, must ask themselves some serious questions. Is there community support to effect positive change? If there is confusion and complacency what will improve? At the end of the day, after generations of roots, it comes down to the safety and opportunity for my children. Observing up close the ones making the decisions I am frightened, I am frightened every time one of my children steps off to catch the bus to school, I am frightened to let them walk to the store or attend a school function. The choice is obvious, this is no place to raise a family anymore. what’s more frightening is the economic realities that trap us from escaping the insanity. Stand your ground, defend your rights and values I was taught. Sitting in the council room listening to those in charge who are so out of touch, one fact becomes clear. The violence will increase and more children will die needlessly.
    An old tune comes to mind by Jimmi ‘there’s got to be some way outta here’ as an earlier post eluded to illuminated earlier, said the joker to the thief…. Meanwhile the good people suffer and die and soon forgoten.his is not my Norwalk, this is not my America. And I am an American this is my country our country our towns. I am shamed. How could a true free thinker not be. We want the violence to stop, its not complicated, no curfew, they never work and waste resources and attract expensive litigation, if we truly want the violence to stop and drugs to find other markets beside our children, lets just give due where’s due. these are our children, just because they seem grown up doesn’t mean they are. Answer lies with a multi faceted approach involving the schools and the community organization already function well operational anyway. Lets extend school days 90 minutes and shorten the summer vacation to 3 weeks. Lets get that teen center built at NEON and one for the east west and north sides Lets get a drama and broadcasting program up and running at the high schools and teen centers. the solutions are not elusive but it does take political courage. With nearly the entire leadership, local, state and national preoccupied with self serving interests it doesn’t appear that courage will be showcasing on any level of representation. Moccia may be a good man so may Reilly but they are clearly out of touch. Duff can do SOMETHING but so far has just been feeling his way around Hartford, Cafero what the hell is he doing anyway? Shays still trying to figure out how to change the channel from outer limits. Rell I believe is a solid woman of character but is way out of her league and someone close to her should start giving her good advise instead of reactionary damage control. Parents yes they must take responsibility but it does take a village and our villages are in an incendiary state.

    Committees, community meetings great, but what is really needed is action.

    Who has the courage?

    Who has the vision?

    Who can rally support?

    Who can make it happen?

  • 24 Mr Greenpeace // Jan 17, 2008 at 1:21 am

    outstanding ump anything I can do to help or assist you.Everything you have said others have tried but in short or long rants with way too much emotion.Your not caustic or abrasive you have highlighted where to turn to where resources are already in place.I’ll give up my rants and stand behind someone like yourself or someone you have pointed out that knows the streets. I’ve seen your postings in the past they have always been quality. I can only speak for myself thanks ump.

  • 25 Anonymous // Jan 17, 2008 at 6:58 am

    #18 If your kids witnessed 10 police cruisers at BMHS yesterday “braced for gang violence” they must go to school in Norwalk, Ohio. No such thing ever happened at BMHS yesterday. Communication with our kids is important but we should make sure we have accurate information.

  • 26 Anonymous64 // Jan 17, 2008 at 8:49 am

    Aren’t there phone numbers that witnesses can call anonymously and give information to the police? This should be advertised on TV and in the newspapers so that young people can report what they saw, what they know and remain protected. Someone knows who killed this boy. And they should say what they know or saw.

  • 27 Anon432 // Jan 17, 2008 at 8:51 am

    #25 You are right. There were two Police cars at BMHS in the afternoon yesterday. One officer directs the buses out and the other officer helps with driving violations in the parking lot and on Highland Ave at the end of the day. I must applaud the Norwalk Police Officers that have been in the school talking to our children and helping some students talk through what they are hurting about. Parents need to trust but verify the information their children give them. I remember my mom following us in the country squire station wagon when we went out on a Friday night. That was before cell phones people and the mom network would rat out any plans of wrong doing. I grew up in South Norwalk and I know that things have changed drastically. Parents need to set up rules. And then stand by them. Curfews are not evil, no good happens after 12 midnight. Why are parents afraid of their children?I love my children I don’t like them sometimes because of their actions but they sure hear my side of it by way of them losing things and time out of the house with their friends. Take back your families people. Bring them to church, temple, or bring them hiking to see majestic things,like sunsets or sunrises on the top of a mountain. Do it as a family. Have dinner together be it a hamburger or a five course weekend meal, eat and talk together no matter what dinner time is family time. Turn off the Ipods, TVs, computers and radios, do it for one week see what you learn from your family you might be surprised.

  • 28 Joanne // Jan 17, 2008 at 8:58 am

    I can’t speak for Rick McQuaid, although I am sure he will agree, but I would be happy to organize the community meetings again. I think that having people understand what is happening to our kids and why is very important. I also believe that parental involvement is key to stopping the violence and getting the kids back on track and in the right direction. we need to educate and we need to involve everyone in the community. What happened to Tykwan should never happen to any child. If anyone is interested in forming a community group where we can all sit down and discuss what is happeneing and get knowlegable speakers to come in and talk to us please feel free to contact me at: mimijo52@yahoo.com
    If someone knows what happened to Tykwan they should go to a school councilor, a parent, or call someone that they feel comfortable talking to that can contact the police dept. This is very important, we cannot let this go by without justice because it will happen again and again if kids do not stop the no snitch rule.

  • 29 Al Raymond // Jan 17, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Thank You Joanne, I was hoping someone would respond to the cry for HELP.Count me in I`ll do what ever it takes we need to stop talking and do something.My contact E-mail is ridgenorwalk@aol.com let me know what I can do and it`s done.

  • 30 Anonymous // Jan 17, 2008 at 9:37 am

    25 and 27 your both wrong you need to understand what actually transpired. Its as if you actually think your right about the events yesterday. Its sad we have armchair critics like yourself . If we had access to police logs you would retract your posts.

    Ask the security at Brian M they will confirm the call and response of police at school closing yesterday, one of the original calls came from East Norwalk where the two cars with kids were to have left heading towards the school.

    Other information cannot be given sensitive to investigation at this time by school officials.

    To discredit information like this only shows ingnorance not supportive participation from the community. You didn’t even ask questions you simply posted as if you were the mayor or Rillings its again sad we have this kind of crap happening in Norwalk.Our kids we didn’t hear what your children said when they came home from BM did we?Crime tracking would also prevent isolated ignorance like this as well.

    No such thing ever happened at BMHS yesterday.

    Just have the police dept or school officials deny this I’ll retract what was just said on my part.

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