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Norwalk: Demo Delay Back At Square One Minus Key Improvements


by turfgrrl


December 19th, 2007 · 10 Comments

In the continuing saga of trying to steer aggressive developers from taring down the few remaining quaint period buildings left in Norwalk, the ordinance committee has revisited the demolition delay ordinance. When we last saw this ordinance, Mayor Moccia essentially veto’d it by sending it back for review. And review was not quite what the new sessions’ ordinance committee managed to do. They chose to create something that essentially recommends a tax giveaway to people who file demolition permits. Why anyone would think that is a good idea is beyond me. From the Hour:

“We going to take the original (90-day demolition delay ordinance) that’s on the books, which we’re still bound by, and we’re going to incorporate (suggestions raised tonight),” said Amanda K. Brown, committee chairwoman, afterward. “We’re definitely going to increase the delay period. We don’t know how much yet.”
On Tuesday night, committee members posed more questions than answers. William M. Krummel asked the ages of buildings, where the city’s existing 90-day demolition delay ordinance has been applied.

Andrew T. Conroy, new to the committee, said he hasn’t “anyone express a real good reason for 180 days.”

“You didn’t attend the public hearings,” said Carvin J. Hilliard, also on the committee.

Tuesday night’s discussion marked the first meeting of the Ordinance Committee, since Mayor Richard A. Moccia in effect vetoed the 180-day demolition delay ordinance approved by the 2005-07 Common Council.

Moccia questioned whether 50-year-old structures are historical — the age threshold within the ordinance — and if the $500 violations fine written into the toughened ordinance was legal.

“There isn’t anything specific in state statute talking about a demolition delay violation. So that brings you back to the general statute,” said Linda Guliuzza, assistant corporation counsel. “In the general statute, the maximum fine imposable by a municipality under their ordinance is $250.”

On Tuesday night, Brown and other committee members offered ideas aimed at producing an ordinance that will be acceptable to the public, the council and the mayor.

Kelly L. Straniti handed out copies of the existing ordinance along with suggested revisions, such as boosting the age applicability from 50 years to 100 years. In another area, Straniti added language that would give the affected property owner a “prorated tax abatement” for property taxes on their structure during the delay period.

“That would be another incentive,” Straniti said. “If $250 really doesn’t mean much to the property owner, then hopefully they’ll be encouraged by at least getting a break on their taxes.”

Brown, a paralegal, proposed a tiered demolition-delay ordinance as a “compromise.” For structures 75 years or older, a delay of no longer than 180 days could be imposed.

For structures 50 to 75 years old, 90 days would be the maximum.

Two committee members, while not against a tiered ordinance in principle, found Brown’s proposal overly focused on building age.

“This 50 years, 100 year, isn’t really what we’re after. We’re looking for something of historical significance, architecturally, historically,” said William M. Krummel. “Really, we should be looking at an architectural review board.”

Norwalk Preservation Trust President Tod Bryant described age as an “administrative threshold.”

Bryant asked committee members to consider a draft demolition delay ordinance from Massachusetts.

It addresses buildings that are 50 years or older and are listed on the National Register of Historic Places, or are important “in terms of period, style, method of building construction or association with a recognized architect.”

Bryant said 600 buildings are listed on The Norwalk Historic Resources Inventory, which was prepared in 1977. That inventory needs to be updated, he said.

An elegant solution to the issue would of course be to have a list of structures deemed architecturally or historically significant. Then describe how a structure gets on the list. Then limit the delay to only those structures on the list. Those then on the list, can then go through a process that determines whether a public hearing should be held and encourages talks to save the structure. Those not on the list can get demolished unimpeded.

It is utter nonsense to create legislation based on a tier of age. Age is just one of many criteria used. Critics of the ordinance were right to point out that it was worded in a way that applied to all structures. Language did need to be tightened and specific. It will be interesting to see how this one turns out.

source: The Hour, Common Council committee sends demolition delays back to the drawing board, By ROBERT KOCH, December 19, 2007

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10 Responses so far “Norwalk: Demo Delay Back At Square One Minus Key Improvements”



  • 1 anonymous // Dec 19, 2007 at 10:54 am

    Why would Straniti give away tax dollars with a tax abatement when people are living in their homes and sending their kids to our schools. This could cost over 2 million dollars a year. Republican welfare. Way to go Republicans.

  • 2 Anonymous // Dec 19, 2007 at 11:16 am

    Ok, so you don’t understand the concept of putting peoples lives on hold? If a property ready for demolition is deemed “Historical” by one committee, 2 committes or whatever, is held up for 180 days only to find that there was no historical value at all and the demolition can continue, who is supposed to suck up the time missed by the owner and the possible fees they may have to pay during this hold up? If we are going about the business of telling people what they can and cannot do with their properties then we have to shoulder some of the burden. Many people buy properties and then learn that they may have some historical value and they have already dished out thousands of dollars to begin work on these properties only to have all work started, stopped abruptly by a court order. Straniti as well as many members of the former council had this concern before n ow so it is only beneficial that she sat down and drafted something to this affect. Its not a Republican thing, its a common sense thing. Look at the minutes from the meetings prior to this council and you will note many of the concerns came from the democrats as well.

  • 3 anonymous // Dec 19, 2007 at 11:28 am

    WHY SHOULD PEOPLE PAY NO TAXES ? SOUNDS LIKE A REPUBLICAN GIVE AWAY TO THE DEVELOPERS !!!!!

  • 4 anonymous // Dec 19, 2007 at 11:52 am

    Turfgirl’s suggestion to tie the delay to the Historic Resources Inventory, which could include anything potentially significant under 50 yrs of age, makes a lot of sense, especially if it is tied to a requirement to update the inventory every five or ten years.

  • 5 Anonymous // Dec 19, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    I agree that the historic inventory and the delay should be tied together. That’s the point of having a delay in the first place, to save historic homes and not everything else.

  • 6 Anonymous // Dec 19, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    #5-you and turf are correct. Why would anyone be interested in buying property that is 50 yrs or older unless they know ahead of time if it is part of a historic preservation piece. People will soon shy away from buying and everything will deteriorate. We’ll have this great redevelopment with a bunch of 50 yr buildings decaying in the sunset.

  • 7 anon for now // Dec 19, 2007 at 5:35 pm

    The demolition delay for 50 year old or older buildings has been on the books in Norwalk since 2003. I don’t see that it’s had any detrimental effect on development, home prices, or building purchases. Norwalk is still prime territory and will stay that way (even more) if we show we care enough to enact a 180 day “cooling off” period before irrevoicably tearing down somthing that has irreplaceable value to the community. I think in this demo-delay discussion, it’s the anti-historical folks who are “hysterical”.

  • 8 Howard Beale // Dec 20, 2007 at 9:15 am

    Finally a good idea! #1 and #2 have good points, but it seems unlikely that a committee of experts would arbitrarily and incorrectly decide a property is of historic value when it isn’t. You insult the intelligence of the committee members to suggest otherwise. Doubtful this delay would be yielded so often that a tax abatement would be necessary.
    #4, #5, and #7 and TG are right on about this, as far as the inventory goes.
    This is not New Canaan, with an abundance of modernist masterpieces, so the liberal use of this delay for structures less than 50 years old is unlikely. There are a few well designed houses from the 60’s and 70’s and even later in Norwalk, but not many.
    Most are badly constructed flat-fronted pre-fabs but they are not in areas where teardowns are an issue. And besides, the age of the trophy spechouse McMansion (1995-2006) is over thank God, since the trend now is for downsizing for aging empty-nesters, especially as the heating and AC bills go through the roof. No one will cry for the bankruptcy of the wealthy developers and homeowners who have raped and ruined once-charming sections of Rowayton, New Canaan, and Westport with these energy-gobbling and sky-blocking monstrosities, and besides there have been recent zoning changes minimizing their impact. That’s another issue.
    The issue here is saving the fabric and flavor of historic neighborhoods. Good idea, and the longer delay will only force purchasers and developers to be more creative in terms of renovation, encourage “greener” solutions that don’t fill landfills with construction debris, and less likely to throw up tacky boxes to turn a quick profit. What could be wrong with that?

  • 9 oldenorwalker // Feb 7, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    I would like to correct the people who erronously believe that the 50 year rule for historic properties has only been on the books since 2003. It has been on the books since the ’80’s. Check out the #55 ordinance from then and you will see that the Historical Commission was able to put 90 day delays even back then and the number was 50 years. And 50 years is the number that is used all over the country for historic preservation, so Norwalk is not inventing the wheel but trying to reinterpret it to satisfy the present developers kissing up to the politicians. And thank you number 8 for giving preservationists more credit in their knowledge to know what is worth saving and what is not. Most is not and so homebuyers need not have any fears. Besides, if you think you are buying an historic home, the smart buyer asks questions before plunking his money down. Dumb people probably ask more questions about buying a car or a TV or installing cable, so please don’t make excuses for the uninformed buyer.

  • 10 Anonymous // Feb 8, 2008 at 8:02 am

    Does anyone know if the Historical Commission’s request for its Historic Resources inventory funds was approved by the City? Why aren’t there any posts about the injunction granted by the judge in the 93 East Avenue case?

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