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Trolley Time


by turfgrrl


December 8th, 2007 · 41 Comments

While I love driving, I prefer driving on roads without other cars, thus I’m a huge fan of mass transportation, especially in the form of trains, planes and zeppelins. Then there’s the old fashiony trolley. The venerable Boston T, and the San Diego Trolley system work great. I think Connecticut could use a more subway/metro underground system. Montreal has turned metro and retail into an art form.

The efficiency of running on rails instead of on roads is  that the frequency and speed of people moving is better to accommodate the fluctuations of work schedules and mobility. From an aesthetic point of view, the monorail system installed in Las Vegas and soon Austin provide a forward looking take on mass transportation. While there’s a history of extensive trolleys in Connecticut, we should also be open to other rail systems.

The Hartford Courant has this to say:

Nearly two decades ago, the architect and planner Jack Dollard sketched an idea for a Farmington Avenue corridor, which he suggested could include a trolley that ran from Farmington through Hartford and on to the University of Connecticut.

In 1990 such an idea was visionary, if not fanciful. Today, cities around the country are building — or rebuilding — trolley or light rail systems on that scale. From Charlotte and Memphis to Portland, Ore., and San Diego, from big Boston to small Kenosha, Wis., cities are rediscovering trolleys.

This month, a transportation consultant will begin studying the feasibility of reviving New Haven’s defunct streetcar system. The study is being paid for with a $150,000 federal grant administered by the South Central Connecticut Regional Council of Governments, The New Haven Independent website reports. Hartford and the state’s other large cities ought to be engaged in similar studies.

The state once had more than 1,000 miles of trolley tracks on its streets and other rights of way. They were removed, mostly in the 1940s, to make way for the age of the automobile. But with soaring gas prices, global warming, serious air pollution in highway corridors and time lost due to traffic congestion, it appears we may have had it right the first time.

Streetcars are clean, inexpensive, efficient and usually more popular than buses. A light rail system can carry vastly more people than a congested swath of single-occupant cars, and lessen the seemingly inexorable need for parking. Continuing to widen the highways is futile, as is evident from the Q Bridge project in New Haven. The state plans to spend $1.5 billion to rebuild and expand the elevated bridge that carries I-95 across New Haven Harbor, even though the new bridge will have the same level of congestion the old one does in just three years. We need to do something differently.

Mr. Dollard’s idea — a light rail line running from Farmington to Mansfield — begins to look very smart.

The problem I have with this editorial support for a Trolley system, is that they are encouraging the infrastructure investment in precisely the area that Fairfield County tax dollars have been subsidizing. The economic engine of Connecticut is Fairfield County, not the Farmington/Mansfield corridor. Let’s see some smart economic/transportation policy instead of the same old tactic of pouring millions into upstate suburbs.

source: The Courant, Cities Redisover Tolleys, December 7, 2007

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  • 1 dem4life // Dec 9, 2007 at 8:43 am

    Hartford should be looking at to expand the Danbury line.

  • 2 Knows her // Dec 9, 2007 at 8:52 am

    Interesting that turffie claims to be a “huge fan of mass transportation, especially in the form of trains” when she NEVER takes a train to NYC but always drives her car. You know the phrase “talk the talk - walk the walk”… Duh!

  • 3 streetcar named desire // Dec 9, 2007 at 9:46 am

    Streetcars or trolleys were the main transportation for American towns and cities between the horse and carriage era and the automobile era, between the 1890’s and the 1930’s. Norwalk had its own system, although the routes are hard to find since the tracks are long gone. The Trolley building on wall street is still there. There must be a map of the system down at the Museum. These systems are beind re-discovered and re-built again(Newark just restored 2 historic lines with new cars and stations to connect its train stations and its suburbs)as urban areas around the country are surging ahead with redevelopment and new residents who want to lessen their dependence on cars. A trolley sharing the Danbury Branch with multiple sidings and frequent stops between South Norwalk and Wilton is worth looking at, and would serve a ready market of residents and workers tired of driving everywhere. This transit-oriented development (TOD) approach is the way of the future, and we can be part of it if the mayor, other local politicians, and the DOT started working together on solutions. Time for a Norwalk summit on transportation. Will the mayor and the council rise to the occasion? Or is this just another streetcar named DESIRE? (sorry!)

  • 4 anon for now // Dec 9, 2007 at 10:05 am

    Interesting to talk to the oldest Norwalkers about how they took the trolley to school — and then the fun of the open air trolleys in the summer to go to the beach and picnic. Or take it to Bridgeport to shop.

    Of course, that was also part of the highly efficient system of interurban trolleys that connected most of the cities between NY and Boston. I believe that United Traction (owned by GM) systematically bought up and destroyed the interurban trolleys to boost their bus business. And that’s where we’ve been ever since. MetroNorth is great — and the Danbury line upgrades would be even better. Of course, make every development transit oriented. And no extension of Super 7. Stupid idea when we’re trying to REDUCE the impact of traffic…

    A good example of returning to trolleys is Memphis, TN. They’re restoring the tracks and putting historic (real, not fake historic) trolleys into operation to bring life back to downtown. It works great and is a terrific attraction to boot.

  • 5 turfgrrl // Dec 9, 2007 at 10:12 am

    Knows her: Apparently not very well, since you’re more likely to find me in Philly than NYC.
  • 6 turfgrrl // Dec 9, 2007 at 10:18 am

    anon for now: Expanding Super 7 would actually reduce traffic locally. It would also reduce truck traffic on I-95. Roads are not bad, our problem is the lack of alternatives. Creating a true multi modal plan is the direction that we need to take.
  • 7 anon for now // Dec 9, 2007 at 10:37 am

    Make it easier to drive, widen the road, and you get more people driving instead of figuring out alternatives. More highway. More sprawl. More pollution. Amd more congestion on 95 in the FF corrider. Super 7 is an idea whose time is GONE. Do something different and use the money in a smarter way.

  • 8 Watchdog // Dec 9, 2007 at 10:49 am

    Alright, alright, Number 2…

    You’ve got a point. But, Turf said she’s a FAN, not a utilitarian. There are many of us who will opt for the romance of Metro North when visiting the city for theatre or to see the tree in Rockefeller Plaza. However, when it comes down to brass tacks in the workaday world, people generally travel in whatever way gets them to and fro in the quickest, least stressful manner.

    Robert Klein, the comedian, comes to mind with his line from a vintage public service commercial: What can one man do, my friend, what can one man do?” Klein responded with, “I’ll show you what one man can do, my friend. Let’s attach your mouth to the exhaust pipe of your car…. We’ll show you what one man can do!” I think we can agree that one man can make a difference, but not without some sacrifice.

    I’m not certain what the answer is, but it seems that more of us need to make more sacrifices for the common good. Until then, we can’t possibly blame others for our own lack of commitment.

    And no, number two… I’m not chastising you, in as much as I am guilty.

    P.S. Bring on the trollies…er… trolleys! Hmm.

  • 9 turfgrrl // Dec 9, 2007 at 10:55 am

    anon for now: You’re totally wrong that by increasing capacity on Super 7 will correlate into increased traffic on i-95. It doesn’t work that way. A well designed road grid, alternative transportation options works to dissipate traffic. Traffic woes can be blamed on the dumb thinking that created cul de sacs and the abandonment of the time honored grid.
  • 10 # 1 of the Miserable 25 // Dec 9, 2007 at 11:02 am

    I know folks that remember when the trolly tracks were torn out of the city streets and used for scrap for war effort in the early 40’s. Trolleys are really neat, but with the traffic situation we have here in this city they can cause a major traffic mess. Now if you are talking about the quaint wheeled trollies, they may be nice, but I am not sure if the taxpayer is ready to pick up another bill if they are not privately run.

    As far as Super 7, sooner or later this area will choke on it’s own congestion and getting there from here will be impossible. I say lets put several bridges across long island sound to Lower NY and LI. Then there is option #2, build a 17 mile bridge from Norwalk to Interstate 84 in Danbury. Then we do not have to take an BS from the residents of Wilton, and that area, AS WE WILL BE GOING RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS. Last but not least is option 3,I think that with all the unused land that the state owns along the RT 7 corridor, it can easily solve it’s problem with lack of prison space, by building 2-3 new correctional institutions on this land especially up North of in the area of Wilton. I bet that will hit a lot of nerves. If any kind of evacuation is ever needed from the coastal area of Connecticut to the inland area, forget it. Just plan on dying where you are.

  • 11 anon for now // Dec 9, 2007 at 11:04 am

    TG, give me a working example in the US of a well-designed road grid — one that has reduced automobile and truck volume, contributed to an improved environment, and alleviated rush hour congestion. I’m curious how you came to your conclusions…

  • 12 anon for now // Dec 9, 2007 at 11:20 am

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_Crossing.

    Note that even the NY DOT said the LI sound bridges would not reduce congestion. And think how nice it would have been to have toll booths, elevated ramps, and all the benefits of something like the Throg’s Neck Bridge right over our own South Norwalk connecting the LIE to Route 7 and I-95. Certainly wouldn’t have to worry about West Avenue redevelopment or Reed Putnam — both would be under concrete.

  • 13 turfgrrl // Dec 9, 2007 at 11:38 am

    anon for now: Chicago and Cleveland spring to mind. Seattle is oft mentioned. But you’re moving the goal posts. Improving the environment? Yeah right, as long as there are creatures roaming the Earth, the environment will be changed.

    But I can probably make the argument that the Big Dig, reduced traffic, improved the environment, alleviated rush hour congestion. Volume, I’m not so sure, but as long as the population keeps growing, you are not going to reduce volume. I’m sure someone out there pines for a no car world, but I’m not one of them.

    In the case of Super 7 we would be connecting cities and freeways. Those are good things to do. Building roads to connect suburbs to cities, that is not such a good thing to do.

  • 14 turfgrrl // Dec 9, 2007 at 11:48 am

    The bridge to Long Island is a good idea. I’d put it closer to our deep water ports, Bridgeport and New Haven. Of course if we hired French engineers, we could get something like this:
    Millau Viaduct.
  • 15 anon for now // Dec 9, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    What’s your thinking for Chicago and Cleveland? Seems to me I sat in some miserable traffic jams in Cleveland. And Chicago has all that great train service into and out of the city. Boston has always been a mess…Storrow Drive and whatever they called the elevated that came in from the South cut the city in half and isolated the North End, stifling economic growth on the “other side” of the road. The Big Dig is as much about reconneting the City and adding real estate as it is about relieving congestion. Boston also is a lousy example of ring road thinking — building further and further out only to have 128 and 459 (I think it is) become sprawl generators and congested arteries almost as soon as they are opened. I think Boston traffic now starts at RI, doesn’t it?

    Boston proves you can’t build your way out of congestion with more/bigger highways. Maybe instead of the Big Dig they could have figured out a way to get light rail to the southern and western suburbs.

    And speaking of light rail, New Jersey seems to be doing a pretty good job connecting nice, new light rail service with the NY waterways which zips you across to Manhatten. What a concept!

  • 16 anon // Dec 9, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    Why bridges to Long Island? Who the heck wants to go there anymore? Since they have no rivers or lakes to speak of (it is basically a pile of glacial debris) all their fresh water comes from the huge but rapidly shrinking aquifer under the island that may last another 20 years if they’re lucky, before the salt water intrudes and ruins it. This is the biggest regional crisis that no one ones to confront. No one has the water to supply them, not even NYC with its enormous Catskills system. The economy will collapse rapidly, and to the extent it will affect CT, at least we could plan our own future with an eye on the bad example of planning across the Sound. Best to include new transportation solutions, but Super 7 will have to happen someday. Portland OR is a good example of new roads and new transit working together. Vancouver abandoned highway-building 30 years ago, and despite a lot of good things happening there planning-wise, it is considered a transportation nightmare. And be prepared for an onslaught of funny-talking people to invade CT from across the Sound in about 20 years.

  • 17 Carol Feltzer // Dec 9, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    I live in Oyster Bay and commute to Stamford. I would like to see a bridge, relying on the ferry is difficult.

  • 18 anon for now // Dec 9, 2007 at 6:15 pm

    CF, you do have a bridge; it’s called the Throg’s Neck. And Oyster Bay to Stamford is a pretty easy shot. If you are taking the ferry (Oyster Bay to Port Jeff ferry to Bridgeport to Stamford), you are REALLY taking the long way around. By the time you get to Stamford, must be time to turn around and go back.

  • 19 anonsense for now // Dec 9, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    I think we should reinstate the Pony Express, The Biplane mail, the horse and buggy,dirt roads, Steam trains on narrow gauge track, and start fires to warm our homes with a piece of flint.

    That will cut down on truck traffic and reduce traffic volume.

    Right up there with the Trebuchet for sending express mail across town fast.

  • 20 Bingo // Dec 9, 2007 at 7:37 pm

    OK, OK How about a Chunnel. If the Brits and the French can do it under the English Channel, we can certainly do it for a measly 10-15 miles under Long Island Sound.

  • 21 turfgrrl // Dec 9, 2007 at 8:47 pm

    anon for now: Re: Cleveland: I’m thinking in particular the most analogous situation of the 480 extension project that stalled out sometime in the 80’s, likely earlier, and didn’t get completed till the 90’s. Not having an expressway linking the southern eastern and west sides of Cleveland, incidentally where the airport was, created all sorts of traffic. Once the 480 was opened, then the burbs along the path all saw increased economic development, and less traffic.

    Re: Chicago: Thanks to Mrs. O’Leary we have a grid to work with from the get go. But Chicago managed to wrap mass trans that made sense, in particular it is the worlds largest rail hub. Thus everything is connected. Even during the 60’s when much of the freeway system was put in, Chicago transit planners were smart to utilize freeway medians to keep rail lines going, and of course the Loop.

    do both suffer form traffic? Sure, but the point of good transportation design is to have good roads, good mass trans alternatives and plan for and encourage economic growth to sustain it.

    Sadly, Connecticut can never seem to “get it” and thus we have the worst of all worlds. We in Fairfield County subsidize sprawl upstate and our transportation infrastructure is ignored. If we spent more time linking our major cities to each other, we’d create economic centers where they are supposed to be rather than watching as Meriden and Shelton diversify their tax base at the expense of ours.

  • 22 CommonSense // Dec 10, 2007 at 9:06 am

    Seems to me that a BigDig type RT 7 solution underneath Wilton and Ridgefield would make most people happy.

  • 23 knows her // Dec 10, 2007 at 9:36 am

    #5 what’s the difference? Last I looked there are trains going to Philly and Boston and Washington DC etc. Not to mention the Carolinas. You are still in your car all the time…

  • 24 turfgrrl // Dec 10, 2007 at 9:58 am

    knows her: Sure and trains go to LA too, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to take them everywhere. When it makes sense I do, and when it doesn’t I don’t. Which is the same philosophy I use on practically everything.
  • 25 Who? Me?? // Dec 10, 2007 at 10:29 am

    They say necessity is the mother of invention, which is probably why the French did such a good job with the Millau Viaduct. The French needed to find a way to retreat or escape the country in quick, convient fashion in case another World War comes to them. Way to go Frogs!

  • 26 anon for now // Dec 10, 2007 at 11:48 am

    In case anyone misses the driving on I-95 with too much coffee, etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYhkrv8n2iw

  • 27 Anonymous // Dec 10, 2007 at 12:32 pm

    Norwalk could use trolleys as a way to shuttle people from parking lots.

  • 28 procrastination station // Dec 10, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    Damn thread sent me on a search for best road song ever…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bws5M7VUKT4

  • 29 turfgrrl // Dec 10, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    procrastination station: Best road song? Now that can send me down procrastination alley. I’ll start with this one:
  • 30 procrastination station // Dec 10, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Good, TG, but a bit artsy for my taste. Not enough blind, gut-gripping bass to make you drive fast and pass tight.

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