Norwalk: State Releases Funds $1.8 For Reed-Putnam Project

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December 6th, 2007 · 28 Comments

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28 Responses so far ↓ “Norwalk: State Releases Funds $1.8 For Reed-Putnam Project”

• 1 Anonymous // Dec 6, 2007 at 3:22 pm

  why are we not cleaning up oyster park first? Suppose the Gov knows its dirty land?

• 2 anon // Dec 6, 2007 at 7:51 pm

  Get over it. The entire city was once dirty land! Don’t eat the dirt, and wash your hands after you work in the yard. Good advice my mother used to give me. If you are that paranoid about the industrial past of Norwalk, move! And let’s move on. This is great news for the city, and both projects will enhance the quality of life for existing and new residents alike.

• 3 Anonymous // Dec 6, 2007 at 9:32 pm

  But the dirty dirt contains lead and aresenic to start the list.Your right thou it was everywhere but the certain cotaminants like mercury and PCB’s were and are also present. I would want to side with caution until someone other than Tim writes about this,bear in mind any data that has been given has not been from any recent testing.

  The city was to have new samples of Norwalk river taken did that transpire? I thought it was said the state was going to do the testing anyone ?

• 4 anon // Dec 7, 2007 at 9:23 am

  Arsenic is everywhere, and large amounts are released from coal-burning factories, cigarette smoke, forest fires, and volcanoes, and it is also a naturally occuring element present in soil and drinking water, and we are ingesting and breathing it in constantly. Biotransformation of different forms of arsenic is happening around us all the time, in the air, in the soil, on your keyboard. Smoking a pack of cigarettes or sitting near a campfire exposes you to more arsenic than
  drinking from a naturally-contaminated well for years. So, let’s ban all smoking, all combustion sources including engines and woodfires, plug all wells, ban all vegetables (since arsenic is concentrated in plant tissue, especially organically-raised sources grown with naturally arsenic-laced manure fertilizer), ban all fish and especially shellfish (another source of natural arsenic exposure), oh, and plug the volcanoes when they occur.
  Then let’s talk about not breathing the air, and don’t ever get your hair cut (hair and nails have toxic levels of arsenic, where it is concentrated.) A trip to Supercuts could kill you!
  Seriously, both organic and inorganic arsenic bind with other compounds in soil, and do not leach out with normal water movement. When this soil-borne arsenic is released through dust, for instance, it is still bound up in non-toxic form, unless the soil is burned somehow.
  Do not eat the soil, and wash your hands after working outside.

• 5 anon for now // Dec 7, 2007 at 9:35 am

  GE kept dumping PCBs in the Hudson until the law stopped them even though they had a substitute that they were using in transformers sent to Japan (because Japn had tightened it’s environmental laws). And speaking of Japan, ever see Gene Smith’s photos of Mercury poisoining at Minimata? Also a case of industry dumping without regard to the long-term effects. Yes it costs money to clean up toxic dumps. And, yes, it’s more complicated and expensive to dispose of toxic waste in a non-polluting way. But ignoring it is being blind to the public good. It’s not easy being green — but it’s essential.

• 6 antianon // Dec 7, 2007 at 10:10 am

  “anon” has his agenda, and nothing will change it. His mind has closed and will never again function normally. He or she seems to be the type of person who “If you engraved the facts on the tip of a spike, and drove it into his skull, HE STILL WOULD NOT GET THE POINT. Of course this is also a futile act because the spike would not hit a vital organ in there.

  Lets look a just a few of his replies when confronted with some serious questions;
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  let’s ban all smoking, all combustion sources including engines and woodfires, plug all wells, ban all vegetables
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  If you are that paranoid about the industrial past of Norwalk, move! And let’s move on.
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  A trip to Supercuts could kill you!
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  These are just in THIS SHORT THREAD, and hundreds of this type of irrational replies are made by him in every thread.

  This seems to show a few things about him;

  1. He fears anything to do with keeping children safe from contamination unless it fits his agenda
  2. He cannot contribute anything rational so he reverts to simple minded attacks and irrational thought.
  3. If his head was any further up his butt, he could see out of his mouth
  4. He thinks the “Big Bang” was a primordial sex orgy.
  5. He is a man who has reverted to grasping at straws
  6. You would get smarter and more educated answers by arguing with a sack of stones

• 7 Anonymous // Dec 7, 2007 at 10:27 am

  And your rational contribution was what exactly?

• 8 antianon // Dec 7, 2007 at 11:18 am

  Funny you should ask, as I was replying with the same RATIONALITY that anon uses, but you do not seem to recognize it. “EXACTLY”

• 9 Taxpayer // Dec 7, 2007 at 11:27 am

  Of the small number of posters here who are using a large number of alias I would like to say,stop using your city computers to post here all day. If you don’t have enough work to keep you busy then we can always mention that fact to Dick Moccia. I know he does not have the time to waste here on the cities time. He is working his butt off trying to get things done.

• 10 Anonymous // Dec 7, 2007 at 11:57 am

  If you are that paranoid about the industrial past of Norwalk, move! And let’s move on.

  This simply tells you where the present administraition is at. While we talk about whats needed here to make it safe for people to enjoy the park. The money tree is not going to yeild much more.We have spent a great deal of state and federal money on programs that will not continue unless as a city we come up with more money to fund their continuation. Some of the money on the park would probably be needed on other things the city will need to cover the cost of previous grants that will not be funded again that were meant to improve the quality of life .

  He is working his butt off trying to get things done.

  Wiping the butts of contractors and creating committees that don’t have the resources to get things done is not a legacy of a true leader. He didn’t win anything big he is just the mayor.

  its odd how the mayor is being defended when he was not the object of anyones posting.

  Is he running for somethinng else?

• 11 Taxpayer // Dec 7, 2007 at 12:16 pm

  We managed to find $36,000 worth of taxpayers money to fund a study on an ampitheater ? Who was polled? Only those with a possible vested interest in it.

  I think what we have here is a “Failure to communicate” .

  (Strother Martin to Paul Newman (Luke) in “Cool Hand Luke” 1967

• 12 Anonymous // Dec 7, 2007 at 12:29 pm

  speaking of GE #5 it seems they have done the right thing at least here.

  EPA Reaches Agreement with GE to Reduce Exposure to PCBs in
  Upper Hudson Floodplain (July 2007)
  EPA has reached an agreement with General Electric Company (GE) requiring them to reduce exposure to PCBs in four general areas along the Upper Hudson River where elevated levels of PCBs in floodplain soils could potentially present an unacceptable risk to public health and the environment. The work, expected to begin next month, will be performed by GE on about a dozen public and private properties in the towns of Fort Edward, Northumberland and Greenwich and in the village of Schuylerville. EPA will oversee GE’s work. The agreement requires GE to reimburse EPA for the cost of overseeing the work

• 13 anon // Dec 7, 2007 at 2:27 pm

  To the single poster who keeps criticizing people here, stop.

• 14 anon for now // Dec 7, 2007 at 3:32 pm

  My point about GE was that they didn’t do anything until the gov’t forced them to — even though they knew PCBs were harmful and had developed a subsititute (I think it was called Econol) for the markets where PCBs were illegal. All this well before the dust up about PCBs in the Hudson. The gov’t (whether Federal, State, or Municipal) needs to be the environmental watchdog. Same with Norwalk’s contaminated land; the City needs to take the lead.

• 15 Anonymous // Dec 7, 2007 at 3:55 pm

  The GE plant in Pittsfield has historically been the sole producer and major handler of PCBs in western Massachusetts, and is the only known source of PCB wastes discovered in the Housatonic River sediments and floodplain between Pittsfield and Lenox. During the 1940s, efforts to straighten the Pittsfield reach of the Housatonic River by the City of Pittsfield and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, resulted in 11 former oxbows being isolated from the river channel. These areas were filled in with materials that were later discovered to contain PCBs and other hazardous substances. In or around 1968, a PCB (Aroclor 1260) storage tank located in Building 68 of the Pittsfield GE facility collapsed, releasing liquid Aroclor 1260 onto the riverbank soil and to Housatonic River sediments. Based on visual observation, contaminated soils and sediments were excavated by GE and eventually land filled, however significant contamination remains as a result of this release. GE is conducting response actions for the spill in accordance with a CERCLA 106 Order issued by EPA Region 1.

  by the sounds of it time is the worst enemy in cleaning it all up, but to admit to it and take responsibility is a start.

• 16 Anon432 // Dec 7, 2007 at 7:27 pm

  Wow, That is a lot of oysters for them thar clams.

• 17 blitzen // Dec 7, 2007 at 11:02 pm

  Looks like the bully anti-anon (#6)has anger management issues. Spikes driven through skulls is not a sane response. Wonder if its because his irrational enviro-crazy rants are finally being challenged by others.
  Landfills are being capped and re-used all over the world. The plan to improve Oyster Shell Park
  looks amazing. Let’s give it a try.

• 18 Anonymous // Dec 9, 2007 at 4:07 pm

  A plan to make the park safe first would be the horse before the cart wouldn’t it?

  Whats to challenge we havn’t read any recent result data from testing.

  I think one of the points that have been made is where we need the money to go first to the people or the park?

  Lets give that a thought.

• 19 Anonymous // Dec 10, 2007 at 2:53 pm

  $550,000 for improvements to Oyster Shell Park

  Last year, the police department spent $2,146,733 on overtime, a 14 percent decrease from overtime spending the year before. The approved overtime budget last year was $1,442,498.

  spending money on Oyster park is going to help who?

  I thinks Blitzen is a contractor, you sound like Jim Jones just try the kool aid it will be good for ya.

• 20 blitzen // Dec 10, 2007 at 10:11 pm

  Anonymous 19 you sound like anti-anon. Throwing another death threat when your argument weakens. If you don’t know what value parks are to a city, sorry. Let me explain. Outdoor recreation for many people is a healthy and important activity. You can do it alone, with your friends or your family, it wards off obesity and disease, adds years to your life, and it’s an alternative to sitting at your computer all day threatening people who don’t agree with you with death threats. Exercize may improve your temperament. And no, I am not a contractor. I am a reindeer, named after the German word for lightning (and my team-mate Donner is the German word for thunder-see you learned something, and I didn’t even have to threaten you with aggressive language.) I’ll make sure Rudolph guides the sleigh over your house to leave you something. Even Scrooge had a change of heart when hit with a little cheer.

• 21 Anonymous // Dec 11, 2007 at 8:20 am

  Communities with good parks have lower crime rates. Gets the kids off the streets. Promotes family activities.
  If we need more cops, hire them. But don’t sacrifice park improvements, and development of new parks, to pay for more cops.
  That makes no sense at all.

• 22 Anonymous // Dec 11, 2007 at 11:09 am

  where the homeless man was beaten almost to death recently at Oyster Park your posting seems to be ill timed.You don’t start at the top of a landfill to make it safe you start where the problem is and continue to make it safe for all to enjoy.

  You seem to lack perspective, “if we need more cops”, tells us your not from the street and you must read the local papers.

  oct 17th 2007

  Union: Not enough police on duty during night shift

  The city and its police officers are in danger because there aren’t enough cops on the street at night, the local police union president is asserting.
  Typically, about 12 officers are on staff after 3 a.m., police said. But three of them aren’t allowed to leave the building: Those in charge of the holding facility, dispatch and the front desk.

  “A lot of times, they’re out there with only eight guys manning the street. That’s not safe for the city and that’s not safe for the men,” said Officer William Curwen, police union Local 1727 president. “We’re at a really dangerously low situation. We’ve been running on luck on the seat of our pants for so long, it’s become the norm for us. There’s going to be a time when that luck will run out.”

  We have had a great two years spending what little money was applied for through grants and drug money taken from suspects, where does the money come from now to continue crime?

  Your right good parks improve the quality of life but with a price,police protetction to enjoy them is also needed. When is the last time you enjoyed Ryan Park or Oyster park and felt safe?

  You simply can’t have it both ways, parks or protection where would you spend the money?

• 23 Anonymous // Dec 11, 2007 at 11:26 am

  Outdoor recreation for many people is a healthy and important activity.

  Most kids run for their life in South Norwalk over the shoes or jacket they are wearing before someone takes it off of them in broad daylight. Your suggesting to exercise so victims can out run their attackers?

  blitzen your starting to make sense now.

  Even Scrooge had a change of heart when hit with a little cheer

  Unless he was taking hits from the stuff he bought at Ryan park where does this conversation go?

  while your comments do work for the holiday theme the rest of us will have to go back to reality and find solutions for the here and now.

  parks or protection or can we have both, can we afford both?

• 24 Anonymous // Dec 11, 2007 at 11:49 am

  this might might help, for the record it wasn’t in South Norwalk

  NORWALK — Police were searching for three or four males dressed in black after a man was found bleeding at about 3 p.m. Monday in the Riverview Plaza parking lot.
  The man, of unclear age and residency, told police that his attackers beat him and made off with his green Eddie Bauer jacket in the parking lot at the intersection of Belden Avenue and Cross Street, police said

• 25 Anonymous // Dec 11, 2007 at 11:58 am

  If you don’t know what value parks are to a city, sorry. Let me explain. Outdoor recreation for many people is a healthy and important activity.

  Oct. 27 after a verbal
  argument led to a physical
  fight between the two, who
  were hanging out at the park
  with other teens, police said.
  The victim, whose intestines
  spilled out of his body
  after the stabbing, had five
  external and internal wounds
  fixed in surgery.

  your right nost of didn’t realize what value the parks were to the community, thanks for setting us all straight blitzen.

• 26 Anonymous // Dec 11, 2007 at 12:09 pm

  build new parks they will come, mow many homleless slept in Oyster park last night?

  Ryan Park is a known drug haven. The drug dealers stretch out onto Woodward ave and can be seen most nights, only a few blocks from the police station hanging out the street waiting for cars to slow down and roll down their windows.

  In reading the article where Mike Mocciae claims 3,4 or 5 mattresses a night arrive at the park, I wonder where do all these mattresses come from? It’s not as if you see people hauling mattresses in shopping carts up and down Water or Woodward ave all day.

  It seems odd that you can have an entire article about the park, and not mention the real problem that the park has. Putting scheduled events there is not going to solve the drug problem

  how long does it take to walk to Oyster park from here? 5 minutes tops?

  This makes no sense at all.

• 27 Anonymous // Dec 11, 2007 at 1:00 pm

  maybe someone should bring this back into perspective

  The landfill was closed in 1979. In 1987, the property was included in the CT DEP’s Inventory of Hazardous Waste Sites as the property was identified as having the potential to contain hazardous wastes. Approximately 21,000 gallons of leachate per day are generated and may be fluxing in the Norwalk River; however, there is no observable impact on the river from the landfill.

  Access to the property is unrestricted. Analytical results of surface soil samples collected from the property in 1993 indicated the presence of the polychlorinated biphenyl (PCB) Aroclor-1254, and the pesticides alpha chlordane, and gamma chlordane. Based on observations and conditions at the property and soil sampling results, potential impacts to nearby residential populations are unknown

  a great place to let the kiddies run a round woudn’t you think?

  this was from dec 11th thread on the cable work

  We had big concerns about the natural beds they go through - that’s where we get our seed oysters from,” said Norm Bloom, owner of Norm Bloom & Son shellfish company

  you would think the landfill would also be a concern to Mr Bloom and Mr Franks.

• 28 Anonymous // Dec 11, 2007 at 1:15 pm

  You think our landfill should be put on the CERCLA list?

  Ask your politicians see what they say.

  while your at it ask if its true

  No known laboratory qualitative air samples have been collected from the property. (landfill)

  should there be before many more can go and enjoy the park?

  note we are not talking arsenic, or lead or even mercury we are talking Aroclor, where did it come from here in Norwalk? We know who produced it.

  In or around 1968, a PCB (Aroclor 1260) storage tank located in Building 68 of the Pittsfield GE facility collapsed, releasing liquid Aroclor 1260 onto the riverbank soil and to Housatonic River sediments. Based on visual observation, contaminated soils and sediments were excavated by GE and eventually land filled, however significant contamination remains as a result of this release. GE is conducting response actions for the spill in accordance with a CERCLA 106 Order issued by EPA Region 1.

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