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Norwalk: BOE Meeting Change Is Almost There


by turfgrrl


November 20th, 2007 · 84 Comments

In the end, the Democratic BOE members couldn’t bring themselves to look in the direction of strong experienced leadership and vote for Bruce Kimmel as BOE chairman. Wouldn’t it have been a marvel if they had done that, a shot across the bow of Captain Corda. But no, they rotated their rubber stamp and anointed Susan Hamilton as chair. Hamilton is a very nice woman, a true academic. But what the BOE needed was a change in direction, and Kimmel was the the direction they needed.

During the middle the new members were given instructions on how to access email. What on earth are they thinking? Picture this, the room is packed, people are there to see some action and they have the IT guy walking through outlook. Meanwhile teachers are still getting thousands of spam because the IT guy can’t figure out how to install a bayesian spam filter on the email server. It might be because he personally runs a mac which has a great bayesian filter as an email client, but Outlook doesn’t and a real IT guy would handle it on the server side. But I digress, I just get annoyed when simple technology is misapplied.

As it was, Hamilton presided over one of the most difficult proceedings to have. Kimmel raised a good point about pre-K education and that the proposal to have 48 slots funded by a grant was worthy enough a goal to look at more than the 48. For some reason the rest of the BOE couldn’t grasp what he was saying. They wanted to stick with the professional, that is the woman (whose name I missed) who runs the early childhood education. What is wrong with running a 3 case scenario of potential costs? WHat is wrong with asking for a separate line item so that these expenses could be tracked? The BOE couldn’t think, and so the hemming and hawing began, and the undirected questions and the confusion. It was disheartening to see the lack of action oriented thinking. No wonder our schools are failing.

The votes for Hamilton as chair were 6-3 (Kimmel, Chiaramonte and Iannacone against)
THe votes for Vice Chair Rosa Murray was unanimous
The votes for Secretary Iannacone was 6-3. Iannacone actually nominated Chiaramonte to be Secretary, an indication that perhaps he didn’t want to be an officer, but the rubber stamp set was on autopilot, they voted it down 3-6.

Field Trips were approved, and I missed the dramatic end where they ended. So we have two new BOE members, but the rest of the BOE needs a jump start.

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  • 1 norwalkphil // Nov 21, 2007 at 1:16 am

    Not so fast there Turf, what you mean is appoint (Kimmel) to use as an ally of Republicans, your comment (below) doesn’t pass the test of honesty. But, it passes the test of partisanship.

    “In the end, the Democratic BOE members couldn’t bring themselves to look in the direction of strong experienced leadership and vote for Bruce Kimmel as BOE chairmans. Wouldn’t it have been a marvel if they had done that, a shot across the bow of Captain Corda. But no, they rotated their rubber stamp and anointed Susan Hamilton as chair. Hamilton is a very nice woman, a true academic. But what the BOE needed was a change in direction, and Kimmel was the direction they needed”

  • 2 norwalkphil // Nov 21, 2007 at 1:23 am

    Keep praising Kimmel, maybe he’ll buy into that, or maybe he won’t.

    I don’t blame you for trying to improve the odds. It’s a Republican thing in the face of Republican National defeat. Get allies at any cost!

    George Bush should learn a lesson from you and start talking to our lost allies of the world.

  • 3 Anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 3:57 am

    Dr. Phil,

    1. turfgrrl is partison to the Southpark Party.

    2. honesty - the word of the day.

    3. Deep Throat - enuff said.

  • 4 Anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 4:02 am

    Oprah?

  • 5 Secret Southpark Club // Nov 21, 2007 at 4:08 am


  • 6 Secret Southpark Club // Nov 21, 2007 at 4:12 am

    Awe…turfgrrl, Dr. Phil was rite. ur site is dumb cuz i tried to embed a southpark clip. Fix it or I will blame you for ruining the southpark party.

    FIX IT. (pretty pleeeze)

    Here’s to old fashion links.

    Oprah

  • 7 turfgrrl // Nov 21, 2007 at 6:14 am

    Secret Southpark Club: You must be on a PC. If you had a Mac … :) Seriously, the reason you can’t embed has to do with the formatting “extra” stuff that the CMS adds to strip out code. There are malicious scripts that could wreck havoc on a blog, so its part of the default security. Your video is embedded now.
  • 8 turfgrrl // Nov 21, 2007 at 6:23 am

    norwalkphil: If you think Kimmel is a Republican (lite) then you really have a (time)warped view of political philosophies. Kimmel is one of the very few Democratic leaders. For the record I’d be just as happy if Greg Burnett was nominated as chair of the BOE, but he wasn’t. Effective leadership is what is needed, not rubber stamping. The BOE should totally be non partisan and the political parties should have nothing to do with picking or nominating candidates for it.
  • 9 Anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 7:48 am

    If the Democrats on the BOE truly reflected “Democratic” values, they would have made it their business long ago to represent the concerns of the citizens of Norwalk; instead, they have allowed the superintendent and his central office incredible freedom to do their will. I don’t know enough about the newly-elected chairperson to comment about her in any specific way; however, I am sure that the Democratic majority chose her because they don’t expect her to make significant changes in the so-called BOE leadership.

    I can see that Kimmel, Burnett, possibly Mosbey (who has been deadly silent, at least in the press) could have been elected, but each would have been a threat. The Corda/Lang/Opdahl team must be very relieved this morning.

  • 10 do the right thing // Nov 21, 2007 at 8:44 am

    “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”
    We don’t get fooled again - The WHO

    Apparently the BOE does think they can fool us again. The new Chair and Vice-Chair is just a re-suffle of the last exectutive officers. After sitting on the board and the excutive committee for so many years the new chair person Hamilton didn’t even know how to proceed to run the meeting. Hasn’t she been watching during the time she’s served? Can you say bobblehead? Corda has had these exectutive committee members Bobbling their heads to his command for some time now. Last night, I found out just how much Sal Corda’s zombies do not want Jack Chairmonte on the exectutive panel, which is probably the reason why he SHOULD be on the exectuive committee. I’m sure he won’t go silently into the night though. Last night the newbies got their feet wet. I’ll be interesting to watch them engage the vetern BOE members with real questions in the coming meetings.

    Norwalkphil, if anyone is partian, it is you. Turf is 110% correct. The BOE just played a shell game with its members and showed the people of Norwalk they are not non-partisan to do what’s right by electing a reformer, like Kimmel, to change the direction the BOE has been traveling under Corda’s Rule. For you to defend this BOE, absolutely shows you, Norwalkphil, to be the partisan one.

  • 11 norwalkphil // Nov 21, 2007 at 9:39 am

    NO, NO, No, I didn’t mean to imply that Kimmel is a Republican (lite). Kimmel is a Democrat with a desire to do what’s best.

    What I said is that Republicans are looking for anything that will move their warped agenda with the BoE.

    The Republican controlled BoE of yesteryear was a vivid historical exercise in neglectful behavior and political muscle flexing that lead to creating a chaotic school system in total disregard of our children.

    The fact that Republicans create havoc and corruption with almost everything they touch is a historical fact of monumental proportions.

    Now, on a rare occasion, when Republicans advance a good idea, the Democratic BoE will listen and, I’m sure, will implement such idea.

    But, Republicans should really stay out of the business of educating people, especially our children. They should stay in their back room plotting their next move in infamy.

    When it comes to education, believe you me, Democratic partisanship works best.

  • 12 Bruce LeVine Mellion // Nov 21, 2007 at 10:41 am

    Why do we have to tell the Chairperson of the BOE, as we have had to do in the past, that Dec 4th this year is the first night of Hanukkah and the BOE meeting must be changed? Yes, Dr Corda is in Fld. as he has been every Thanksgiving since he has been in Norwalk but all other BOE employees are working. A healthy, happy and safe Thanksgiving to all.

  • 13 Answers Please // Nov 21, 2007 at 10:46 am

    Bruce Kimmel is a pompous little twit who doesn’t deserve to be chair. By his own admission he is confused about the operations of the board. He is a union man more interested in union interests than children’s education - just look at his recommendation of requiring a master’s degree to staff the proposed early childhood education program. A master’s is not necessary to teach a child colors. It only serves the union and costs the taxpayers a lot more money.

    He couldn’t play nice on the common council so he was shuffled off to the BoE. He didn’t get along there either and in a snit went ‘unaffiliated’, more like republican to me.

    He loves to grandstand and ask irreverent and arcane questions designed solely to embarrass the speaker or show how smart he is.

    I don’t consider him to be an advocate for children or education in Norwalk.

  • 14 Vet Park Junkie // Nov 21, 2007 at 11:20 am

    The tension in the room was high. This was especially evident at the end when Chiaramonte stated that the next meeting was scheduled on the first day of Hanukkah. The discussion drifted into La-La-Land with Kimmel making sense. I had no clue of resolution or responsibility. I was glad that Mellion chirped up to ask something along the lines of “So, the next meeting is when?” I read that as “Fool me once, …” I’ll give him an atta-boy for trying to inject some sanity.

    I got the impression that some in the audience were looking for more dramatic change. Like you said, TG, it’s a start.

  • 15 Anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    Bruce Mellion: The fact that Corda has been in Florida every Thanksgiving week since his arrival in Norwalk is one more example of his not understanding that the best leadership is leadership by example. Let’s see what else he does. . . He makes decisions without so much as discussing them with the teachers and even the administrators, or when he does pretend to discuss them, he has already decided what he will do. Consider last year’s BOE budget proposal, which he and Stu did in complete isolation. The thinking person would say that teachers and building-based administrators could have told him what is important to the people who actually teach and those who supervise instruction in the buildings. I guess we don’t have a “thinking-type” superintendent.

    He is hardly ever at City Hall at 8:00 a.m., which is when everyone else (except for Corda, Lang and Opdahl) is supposed to be at work in that building. 8:30 or later is more the pattern. With at least one of them, it’s a lot later than that.

    What would he say to a principal who never visited classrooms in his building? I guess he couldn’t say much because until very recently, he never visited the schools.

    What would he say to a principal who failed to attend school athletic, social and cultural events, as he has failed to do?

    What would he say to a principal who wasn’t implementing the “learning community” approach to school improvement? Actually, he doesn’t say anything; all that interests him is the paper documents, not the practice of learning communities.

    What would he say to a principal or assistant principal who wanted to take Thanksgiving week as a vacation week even once, to say nothing of doing it annually? He would say that the contract says that administrators can’t do that. Conveniently, he has left that contract provision out of his own contract.

    Dr. Corda, you can preach all you want but people stopped believing in you years ago.

  • 16 ENrwlker // Nov 21, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    #11 — “The Republican controlled BoE of yesteryear was a vivid historical exercise in neglectful behavior and political muscle flexing that lead to creating a chaotic school system in total disregard of our children.”

    norwalkphil, we know you are a complete shill for the Dems (’All Dems Good, All Repubs Bad’, is the total extent of phil’s ‘philosophy’). But the Democrats have controlled the Board of Education in Norwalk since 1999 (7-2 from ‘99 to ‘01, 9-0 since then). Your description of Norwalk’s school system above seems pretty accurate as of TODAY — after 8 years of solid Democratic control. At what point do the Democrats have to take ANY responsibility for the shape of the schools? After they control the Board for 16 years? 26 years? Or are they off the hook forever as long as you can blame Republicans for controlling the Board in, say, the 19th century?

  • 17 Aunt Bertha // Nov 21, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    Let’s move forward and not get away from the positive directions that all the BOE members need to move towards. Be present and vocal so that they are sure to hear you.

  • 18 norwalkphil // Nov 21, 2007 at 1:44 pm

    Your chronology doesn’t hold water, just misleading information. Very typical. At least tell the truth.

    Yes, the Dems took over in ‘2000 after the Republican debacle. Don’t mislead about 16 or 26 years or the 19th century. People know about the Republican catastrophic handling of the BoE and so do you, you were very close to it.

    BTW, talk about the 19th century, I tell you about Republican corruption in the 19th century.

    click here,

    http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2&res=9C05E5DB113BE533A2575AC2A9669D94619ED7CF&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

    #16. “norwalkphil, we know you are a complete shill for the Dems (’All Dems Good, All Repubs Bad’, is the total extent of phil’s ‘philosophy’). But the Democrats have controlled the Board of Education in Norwalk since 1999 (7-2 from ‘99 to ‘01, 9-0 since then). Your description of Norwalk’s school system above seems pretty accurate as of TODAY — after 8 years of solid Democratic control. At what point do the Democrats have to take ANY responsibility for the shape of the schools? After they control the Board for 16 years? 26 years? Or are they off the hook forever as long as you can blame Republicans for controlling the Board in, say, the 19th century?”

  • 19 anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    “We must get out of here, said the joker to the thief”
    Corda in Florida and Opthal a extra long lunch at B.J. Ryan’s Tuesday….looks good. Thank God the teachers are teaching instead of the Top Dogs.

  • 20 Lieutenant Kije // Nov 21, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    norwalkphil, What do you believe are the critical issues facing the BOE? What are your ideas for improvement?

  • 21 turfgrrl // Nov 21, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    norwalkphil: you said–What I said is that Republicans are looking for anything that will move their warped agenda with the BoE.

    The Republican controlled BoE of yesteryear was a vivid historical exercise in neglectful behavior and political muscle flexing that lead to creating a chaotic school system in total disregard of our children.

    I suspect that you are confusing national conservative philosophy (kill the Dept. of Education) with local Republican philosophy. First, I’m sure there are some Republicans who might view the dismantling of a public education system as a good idea. But there are Democrats who believe the same, so partisan tar and feathering here doesn’t help anyone have a discussion about what to do with our schools.

    The fact is Norwalk Public Schools are failing. They are failing literally, (see testing; scores) and they failing in a big societal sort of way because we are not seeing a production of Norwalk Public School graduates entering the Norwalk workforce in industries that enable them to afford the area. The latter problem is not unique to Norwalk, but is within our control.

    So objectively, ask if the money we send to the BOE to spend on our students is in fact reaching our students? That is the crux of the issue. If you believe in a good quality education, then the discussion is about doing things to improve the education each student receives. Not about what party has destroyed public education more. I could easily argue that the Democratic party is more responsible simply because it created the Dept. of Education under Carter.

    You also wrote: The fact that Republicans create havoc and corruption with almost everything they touch is a historical fact of monumental proportions.

    Sure, and Democrats have escaped the havoc rendering abilities? Let’s cite a modern example of the corrupt Democratic machine hindering the rebuilding of an entire state, Louisiana. Neither statement serves any good purpose other than to exclude the very reality that there are some pretty bad politicians out there, and if all we can do is make lists and say “our” list is smaller/less important/less pervasive than theirs, we just toddle along forgetting that we shouldn’t stand idly by while the bad eggs do their bad deeds.

    Locally, the Democratic members who have asked questions and promoted good ideas, have gotten shot down by their less enlightened members. This is not a question of who is the better Democrat, but who is grasping that pushing along the status quo isn’t the right thing to do.

    Then you added: But, Republicans should really stay out of the business of educating people, especially our children. They should stay in their back room plotting their next move in infamy.

    Well there you hit the nail on the head, but missed the implication. Education has become a business, and the programs, and fiefdoms created have nothing to do about education, and all to do with the profits and funding kicked out of the endless search for a “programmatic solution” instead of a basic “is this thing working” assessment.

    So no, Democratic partisanship, in the end, doesn’t work best, and neither does Republican partisanship. Like a pot hole waiting to be filled, there’s no Republican or democratic way to fill it, or educate, and those who suggest otherwise are just part of the problem.

  • 22 Anyone for a rally // Nov 21, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    What are the obstacles here in Norwalk that hinder communnication and community involvement?

    http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=7390664

  • 23 Anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    22

    “”I don’t disagree with some of the changes. I don’t think they are being done with consideration of the staff who has invested their life,” said teacher Katy Wood.”

    TOL, they can talk out loud in Hartford.

    Their superduper is probably in Florida playing golf with Corda.

  • 24 ENrwlker // Nov 21, 2007 at 5:39 pm

    #18 - “BTW, talk about the 19th century, I tell you about Republican corruption in the 19th century.”

    Phil, if you want to talk about the political parties in the 19th century, don’t forget to include the Black Codes, poll taxes, Jim Crow laws, etc. pushed through by the Democratic Party all throughout the South in the last 30 years of the century. Or, to come a bit forward, include the fact that civil rights laws were bottled up by filibusters by Democratic Senators all through the 40’s and ’50’s of the 20th century, until finally breaking through (with a higher percentage of Republican votes in Congress than Democratic votes) in the 1960’s.

    It’ll be interesting to read phil’s rationalization of this one. Since in your parallel universe, phil, ONLY Republicans can be bad, do you believe the Jim Crow laws adopted by the Democrats were good? Or did Republicans go back through time machines, pass the Black Codes while posing as Democrats, and then come back to the present?

    Note that phil didn’t even address the question of whether the Democrats who’ve controlled the BoE for many years now in Norwalk have ANY responsibility for the current problems with Norwalk’s schools. He ignores that part of my post and concentrates his attention on my sarcastic reference to reaching back to the 19th century (apparently missing the point of my comment).

    I don’t think phil is CAPABLE of honesty regarding Norwalk issues. He is so robotically programmed to support Democrats at all costs that he can’t even talk about the BoE issues with any substance. So turfie, don’t expect an answer from phil to your questions other than more attacks on the ‘evil Republicans’; phil has nothing relevant to say.

  • 25 Patrick // Nov 21, 2007 at 5:46 pm

    The web page with 400 posts on it is far more urgent in my view of the BOE than which party is better. Call me crazy.

  • 26 anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 6:32 pm

    number 11 - Norwalkphil: your entrenched paranoia of Republicans borders on Schizophrenia. If you know people like Ellen Wink, who was a Republican candidate this past go-round, you would know her as an active parent in the community who wants nothing more than what is best for education in Norwalk. The only people who would exert energy to downgrade her capibilities would be those who had something to lose by her win of a BOE seat. To imply that Ellen is “evil” or scheming, is absurd. There is absolutely NO ONE who is telling the Republican BOE members how to think or how to vote. There is NO plan, as you surely must know, other than to improve the system for students, teachers, and parents. If THAT is a conspiracy, thank GOD for it.

  • 27 anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 6:37 pm

    13 - Who would say that about Bruce Kimmel except someone who feels threatened by his presence on the board?

    Bruce: thank you for continuing to ask questions and dig beyond surface coating. You would have made an excellent Chair.

  • 28 Anonymous // Nov 21, 2007 at 6:42 pm

    Whatever happened to Charles the Hammer? I haven’t seen his postings in a long time.

  • 29 turfgrrl // Nov 21, 2007 at 7:05 pm

    The Evolution of Teaching Math
    Teaching Math in 1950: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?

    Teaching Math in 1960: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?

    Teaching Math in 1970: A logger exchanges a set “L” of lumber for a set “M” of money. The cardinality of set “M” is 100. Each element is worth one dollar. Make 100 dots representing the elements of the set “M.” The set “C”, the cost of production contains 20 fewer points than set “M.” Represent the set “C” as a subset of set “M” and answer the following question: What is the cardinality of the set “P” of profits?

    Teaching Math in 1980: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20.

    Teaching Math in 1990: By cutting down beautiful forest trees, the Logger makes $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the forest birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down the trees? There are no wrong answers.

    Teaching Math in 2000: A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $120. How does Arthur Andersen determine that his profit margin is $6000?

  • 30 Vet Park Junkie // Nov 21, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    Ooo! Ooo! I know the answer to the last one! I know! Call on me, TG!

    Uh, wait. Do I get to include FASB91?
    :)

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