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Norwalk: Dems In Flux


by turfgrrl


November 8th, 2007 · 56 Comments

Following the defeat (likely) of 3 incumbents, plus the the 2 incumbents who chose not to seek re-election, Bill Krummel, Doug Sutton. Fred Bondi, Carvin Hilliard and Phylis Bolden are the seasoned council members for the Dems. Which makes the rather odd statements out of Democratic Town Committee Chair Galen Wells and Kevin Poruban seem oblivious to the realities of the election.

“We now have new people on the council, who are going to reevaluate positions on the issues. Now we have a real Democratic majority. I’m pleased that we have a Democratic majority. That doesn’t mean we aren’t going to cooperate (with Republicans) on good things.”

Democrat Kevin M. Poruban, who lost his bid to retain his District C seat on the council, said he is not surprised that Grant spent time among Republicans at The Norwalk Inn Tuesday night.

“He went where he felt most comfortable — with his peeps (Republicans),” Poruban said.

Poruban has been critical of Coffey, Grant and others labeling the Democratic-Republican cooperation during the last two years as “bipartisanship.”

“Bipartisanship is where something is so good for the greater number of people,” Poruban said. “What we had here was not bipartisanship. Various pieces of legislation that we enacted were ineffective. The responsible contractor ordinance … it’s going to be difficult to enforce.”

Poruban expressed confidence in the new Democrats elected to the council.

“We have some very dynamic individuals. I expect good things from them,” Poruban said. “They truly represent working-class families unlike some other council members.”

The Democrats have a bigger problem that Poruban and Wells created. After attempting to force out Fred Bondi at various times this past spring, Bondi is busy jockeying for votes for control of the common council presidency. If he pulls one other of the other “targeted” Democrats, Hilliard or Bolden, he can controls a “swing” block of votes. It will be up to the Republicans to determine what they want in exchange for supporting Bondi or someone else.

It’s interesting that Poruban is quick to go after the responsible contractor ordinance considering the Working Families Party endorsement of him. But then Poruban has always taken a more Republican anti-union stance in much of his voting record. So it shouldn’t be that much of a surprise, except to maybe some Democrats who never bother to check how council members actually vote versus what they say they support.

Until the recounts, now set for next Tuesday, none of the Democratic in-fighting will be set. Bill Krummel only leads fellow Dem Gwen Briggs by 1 vote and trails Republican Conroy by 4. Recounts usually lead to vote total changes. Last year, in another town, the process was to rerun the ballots through the optical scanner. The reality of the election is that the Democratic majority is rather tenuous unless they can all pull together and stop the in-fighting.
Whether Democrats can pull together is one storyline. The other is whether the Republicans can stay together. All the legislative experience lines up on the Republican side, and after years of watching some pretty lame committee chairs stumble through the process of legislation can they stand back and let it continue to happen? Do a few Republicans switch parties to gian chairmanships? The precedent for that happened this past year at the State legislature when Diana Urban switched after being elected as a Republican for her fourth term.

Eventually all will become clear in the next couple of weeks. It would benefit Norwalk that instead of party labels determining leadership positions, experience and capability were used as the main criteria. But that is rather too much if an idealistic position to hold, when the players still shuffle across the political stage thinking all talk is more important than action.

source: The Hour, Some Dems celebrate at Republican headquarters, vow to work together, By ROBERT KOCH, November 8, 2007

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  • 1 Martin Shepard // Nov 8, 2007 at 9:31 am

    Fred should remember FIRST & FORMOST, to act as an independent thinker not a Republican lap dog. He had better listen to his constituency and not try for Brownie points with the Mayor. There should be real bipartisanship, not cronieism. Mr. Bondi must realize that he was voted in by his constituents and must answer to them FIRST-LAST & ALWAYS. Fred is a good guy but has gone astray in the past, I hope he has learned from his past experiences. There is a new sharp watchdog type of voter out there now.

    We will be watching Fred.

  • 2 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 9:40 am

    Turfie - Good point about the public knowing which way the Council votes. Any way to post a quick tally here after each session, kind of like what the papers do in the Sunday editions for Congressional votes?

  • 3 anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 10:02 am

    Actually, Bondi was reelected in spite of the Democratic party’s lack of support for him. It is because he makes decisions based on what is best for norwalk rather than following the Democrats dogma

  • 4 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 10:03 am

    What’s best for Norwalk, like the Veteran’s Park debacle. Yeah.

  • 5 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 10:43 am

    What’s best for Norwalk, like propping up his kid and his friend’s Goddaughter in a city job she doesn’t do?

  • 6 anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 10:47 am

    Herb Grant and the Peeps
    The Rick McQuaid Band
    Great Jazz Festival acts coming to the Vet.

  • 7 Who knew? // Nov 8, 2007 at 11:05 am

    That the Peter Bondi/ Susan Gunn style of museum collection managment was catching on nationwide…

    Reagan Library Can’t Find Items

    AP Posted: 2007-11-08 07:17:37

    LOS ANGELES (Nov. 8) — The Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum can’t locate or account for tens of thousands of valuable mementos of Reagan’s White House years, according to a published report.

    An audit by the National Archives inspector general concluded that the library in Simi Valley was unable to properly account for more than 80,000 objects out of its collection of some 100,000 artifacts, the Los Angeles Times reported on its Web site Wednesday night.

    The audit was connected to an investigation into allegations that a former employee stole from the Reagans’ collection of gifts from foreign leaders and other dignitaries, but sloppy record-keeping has hindered the probe, Inspector General Paul Brachfeld said.

    “We have been told by sources that a person who had access capability removed holdings,” Brachfeld told the Times. “But we can’t lock in as to what those may be.”

    Part of the problem has to do with a lack of supervision and a “near universal” security breakdown that may have left the mementos vulnerable to pilfering, “the scope of which will likely never be known,” the audit found.

    It also found numerous storage lapses, such as pieces of art stacked on top of one another, and sculptures and vases unwrapped and lying openly in an area prone to earthquakes.

    When auditors tried to locate a sample of 21 items from a larger list of “high-value objects,” one vase was missing even though library records indicated it was accounted for.

    They also found that nine of 26 items in two unpacked boxes had gone missing. The missing items included a hand-crocheted American flag and an elephant figurine.

    Some of the items unaccounted for include pieces from a large collection of ornamented belt buckles given to Reagan over the years.

    An after-hours call by The Associated Press seeking comment from the library was not answered.

    National Archives spokeswoman Susan Cooper told the Times the agency was working to fix the problem. Some library volunteers said they were asked this summer to start an inventory project, which could take years to complete.

    Part of the problem, Cooper said, is that many presidential libraries are understaffed and didn’t have the same strict preservation guidelines used by most museums. The situation has improved, she said, but the libraries still struggle for funding.

  • 8 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 11:11 am

    Ask Oliver North…

  • 9 Mike Lamazzio // Nov 8, 2007 at 11:40 am

    Poster # 3 wrote “It is because he makes decisions based on what is best for norwalk rather than following the Democrats dogma.”

    Yeah! Like re-naming Veterans Memorial Park to “My 3 Sons Amusement Park.” as a starter.

  • 10 anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 11:58 am

    Apparently most people agree with what he did regarding jazz fest, the park, and the way he votes on issues because THEY REELECTED him. That’s what happens when you do what MOST OF THE PEOPLE WANT.

  • 11 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Guess that’s why the public WAS SO SURPRISED WHEN THE PLANS FOR VETERAN’S PARK WERE ANNOUNCED.

  • 12 Mark Sabia Jr. // Nov 8, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    #10 wrote “MOST OF THE PEOPLE WANT” Sure, what people? It was a stealth job, and “The only people” who knew about it were Fred, the owners of My 3 Sons, Mike Maccaie, and one or two insiders. If you believe that most people want to turn Vets Park park into an amusement park you truly are out of touch with reality. If anyone thought MOST PEOPLE wanted that, it would have been on a ballot referendum Tuesday.

    Try it again and it will go to court.

    YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK

  • 13 Democrat // Nov 8, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    the good news is that K.Poruban is gone! and soon G.Wells will retire. The Dems have a chance to start anew and rebuild for the 2008 election.

  • 14 anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    If MOST PEOPLE were that upset about it, they would have voted Bondi out of office. Since he was reelected by a comfortable margin, people must be happy with what he is doing.

  • 15 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 12:52 pm

    leave Fred alone he flipped a lot of burgers at the oyster fest for the volunteers he isn’t a bad guy once you have talked to him.Even nice guys make bad suggestions or decisions once in a while, look at Bush.

  • 16 Mark Sabia Jr. // Nov 8, 2007 at 1:11 pm

    # 15 wrote “Even nice guys make bad suggestions or decisions once in a while” I agree, and it is the smart ones who learn from their past mistakes. I think Fred is a pretty smart guy.

  • 17 Watchingandlistening // Nov 8, 2007 at 5:02 pm

    Fred was elected as a Councilman-at-Large because he votes on issues, rather than follow a “party-line”. While I often disagree with Fred on specific issues, if you listen to his explanation of why he is going to vote a certain way, given during the discussion prior to the vote, you hear an individual who has thought about the issue. On BOE funding, he clearly stated his position. On “across the board” increases for the staff, he expressed his objections. THAT IS WHY FRED GOT THE MOST VOTES !

  • 18 Rita Epstein // Nov 8, 2007 at 5:28 pm

    Well just make sure you keep “Watchingandlistening” so you don’t miss anything.

  • 19 anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    Fred is undeniably the candidate-at-large who got the most votes! Sounds like many people in Norwalk agree with his positions - including Vets Park! Sounds to me like Fred has a mandate from the people of Norwalk.

    The problem, if it is a problem for Dems, is that they are an inclusive party. They do not require or enforce every one to tow the party line on every issue like the Republicans - that is why we are now in this Iraq mess with a huge deficit on our hands, and an economy that is in the process of tanking!

  • 20 anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    Ha ha. With regard to number 19, and I quote:

    The Dems are an inclusive party. They do not require or enforce every one to tow the party line on every issue like the Republicans.

    Come on now. That is friggin insulting. How do you explain the Dems on the BOE or the grandstanding efforts of the Dems on the Council last year? What about Kimmel pulling away because he couldn’t take the partisan bullying? What about Coffey who did his own thing and was basically disowned by his own party, the Dems? Please don’t insult our intelligence. Fred Bondi does happen to vote his own mind, but don’t give his party the credit.

    By the way, it’s long been established that local and national politics are two very different animals.

  • 21 Gop needs new blood! // Nov 8, 2007 at 6:26 pm

    20: You are so correct!

    The Norwalk democratic leaders are control freaks! In the past few months- they lost! Mike Coffey, Herb Grant and Dave Watts, who resigned from DTC- a few months back.

    Hey, guys would you like to join the GOP? We need you!

  • 22 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 6:35 pm

    GOP needs blood they have taken all there is to take from passive residents who trusted leadership.The kids have given theirs on the streets of Norwalk.I’d suggest another name if I were you. :( :( :(

  • 23 Gop needs help! // Nov 8, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    #22 point well taken!

  • 24 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 6:44 pm

    Think again, its the dems that need help because they can’t or will not allow their people to think freely, they control and then they eat their young.

  • 25 Anonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    #24 only LAZ does that :) :) :)

  • 26 barnstorm // Nov 8, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    Gee, where were all these free thinkers when Doug Hempstead was running for Mayor? The Dems and Repubs were BOTH locked into party line and Norwalk missed out on a great chance to have an independent thinker in charge.
    Doug continues to listen to both sides and make informed choices; he is not s servant to any party philosophy.
    I myself grew disgusted with the Democratic leadership going back to the early 80’s. The local Dems really need to find a clue, or else forget about ever mounting a serious challenge to any meaningful office ever again.
    And even if they did manage to find a strong candidate, would they be able to motivate the people to actually vote for them? Judging from this last election that seems doubtful.

  • 27 Former Indy // Nov 8, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    I think many of us are here, reconnecting. I supported Doug then, and I’d do it again. Maybe its wistful thinking but I think the Independent party could attract many more voters these days. We’re out here and easier to find.

  • 28 Will Rogers // Nov 8, 2007 at 10:48 pm

    Turf girl you use to much common sense in your arguments. Way to naive. The bi-partisan talk is always cheap. The new council will prove what the last council proved.
    Its all talk. If there was bi- partisanship it would have happened the sharing of chairmanships under Coffey. Its not based on ability or leadership its about power. Democrats talk a good game about being fair and democratic,and they seem Teflon when challenged when they are not.The proof is in the pudding,and my bet is the milk is sour.
    All Democratic chairs will be announced.
    I will bet on that.

  • 29 Annonymous // Nov 8, 2007 at 11:50 pm

    The smell is back in East Norwalk, wait, did it ever leave, or was it just too cold for a few days to notice.

  • 30 Just Curious // Nov 9, 2007 at 12:36 am

    Maybe many of the free thinkers were too young to vote when Doug ran as an Independent. Or maybe they didn’t live in Norwalk at the time. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone was here for the flood of ‘55.

    I think Doug (or someone else equally qualified and like-minded) should seriously consider it again. I think that person would have a lot of support. Especially in a city with such a high rate of unafiliated voters.

    Right now partisan politics is tearing this city - and the country - apart. We need to find some common ground. And some common sense.

  • 31 Watchdog // Nov 9, 2007 at 7:20 am

    Yes, contrary to the negative comments during campaign season, Hempstead was and is always his own man. He can work with all sides of the aisle, and even won the “Good Guy Award” from Celebrate Women, a defunct organization founded mostly by Democratic women to honor Norwalk’s women. Doug remains conservative with public money but liberal in social issues. Great idea, but the Independent Party would need much support from PEOPLE to not only get off the ground, but remain afloat. Workers are mandatory; money is essential. As it was, the IP needed the cross endorsement of a major party for its survival. Even Mr. Merrell may have now learned that if he truly wants to serve the public, he will need to join a major party. The Republican Party has become a melting pot for Independents and the former Conservative Party of Norwalk. Remember them? The spinoff has resulted in a range of conservative to moderate ideologies within the one Republican party.
    Yes, it was a sad day to see the Independent Party fold. Anyone up for a challenge?

  • 32 Anon In the Know // Nov 9, 2007 at 7:34 am

    You are all smoking something. Doug Hempstead has never taken a risk. He didn’t run in 2005 and didn’t challenge Moccia in 2007 for a reason. He is totally risk averse and will remain so. He has no new ideas and likes to blah, blah, blah but there is no substance to his remarks. He will continue to play Santa (but no presents for the taxpayers)and will never stick his neck out.

    Question: Who was the most miserable person on election night 2005? You got it - Doug Hempstead! Can’t you just hear him saying to himself “That should have been ME!”. Boo hoo!
    Remember Dick, he should not be trusted. His is goal is to undermine but you already know that.
    No-guts Hempstead - that’s his moniker.

  • 33 anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 9:00 am

    #32 Shame on you! Your post is nothing more than partisan rant. Mr. Hempstead is a genuine person. We are lucky to have him work on behalf of the people. He is eloquent, deticated & knowledgable. The people who live in district D know it also. That’s why he got the highest vote count. How you can say such nasty things about a man who has devoted so much of his time, for practically nothing, shows to me what a clod you are. My guess is your name is Gail Wall.

  • 34 anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 9:05 am

    #28 - I hope that all democratic chairs will be announced. Forget all this bi-partisan crap - that is only a word that is used when republicans aren’t in the majority. I’d be thrilled if the democrats pulled together, set an agenda and stuck to it. Just like the bush administration has done (we’ve seen soooo much bi-partisanship from bush!).

  • 35 Throwing It Out There // Nov 9, 2007 at 9:23 am

    I hope that Fred Bondi is not the parks and rec chair. I hope that Michael Geake is ordinance chair. I hope that Doug Hempstead is planning chair. I hope that Amanda Brown is finance chair. I hope that Bill Krummel is public works chair. I hope that Carvin Hilliard is Parks and rec chair. I hope that Doug Sutton is building and land use chair. The rest of them I don’t care about.

  • 36 anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 9:26 am

    35 - I’m not sure I agree with your choices. There definitely should be NO republican chairs.

  • 37 anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 9:29 am

    Fred should have his choice of chairs - he got the most votes!

  • 38 ENrwlker // Nov 9, 2007 at 9:30 am

    Lefty Democrats define “bi-partisanship” as “Republicans agreeing with Democrats”. Democrats who ever reciprocate — actually supporting Republicans on any issues — are tarred, feathered and driven off the ballot (e.g., Lieberman, Coffey).

    Of COURSE the Dems will take all the committee chairmanships — the majority party always does. There’s only one exception I know of, when the 8-7 GOP majority in the 1983-1985 Council foolishly fell for Dem rhetoric about “bipartisan” power sharing and actually gave 3 chairmanships to the Dems. When the Dems took a 9-6 majority for 1985-1987 and the Republicans asked for the same kind of power sharing bipartisanship back, the Dems laughed at them and took all the chairmanships. What I found amazing was that some of the Republicans were actually surprised by that!

  • 39 Jake Bloom // Nov 9, 2007 at 9:53 am

    re #37 “Fred should have his choice of chairs - he got the most votes!”

    Laurel Lindstrom should chair the P & R. First she got more votes in her district then any else who ran, including incumbents, not bad for a new comer to the political scene. She had more nerve than anyone in this city, to fight city hall to save Vets Park from the first steps in selling off the park and have it become a privately owned business area with an Amusement park attraction as the first step. She would be the most competent person to chair that committee, as she has a real interest in our parks AND HER CONSTITUENTS. She also will not rubber stamp everything that the Mayor and Mike Mocciae think up.

    OH WAIT! That is why she will be passed over for a yes man or a lap dog type

  • 40 anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 10:13 am

    I think Laurel would be great for the ordinance committee chair! We need a strong person there.

  • 41 Anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 10:15 am

    Fred should be given a lamp and a jockey outfit and put in front of the mayor’s office.

  • 42 AnonymousDem // Nov 9, 2007 at 10:21 am

    Laurel would be better suited as parks and rec or planning chair. Fred needs to rethink his priorities and finance or building and land use could use his experience.

  • 43 anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 11:18 am

    Why does Fred need to rethink his priorities, 42? He won with the most votes at large - obviously, a lot of people in Norwalk like what he is doing. He should get his choice and be able to do whatever he enjoys.

  • 44 Bill McDermot // Nov 9, 2007 at 12:07 pm

    KNOCK KNOCK IS ANYONE HOME there anonymous. The lights are on but it seems that no one is home.

    Fred has lost all credibility as chair of the Parks & Recreation Commission, after the debacle over Veterans Park that took place this year. He forgot that he should have been working with Mike Mocciae and not for him. He is a smart politician and should know when to move on to become the chairman of another commission that could use his skill and knowledge to its fullest.

  • 45 anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    44 - HELLO! “Fred has lost all credibility…” ???? Guess that is why HE GOT THE MOST VOTES of any at large candidate. You are in denial!

  • 46 Mr Greenpeace // Nov 9, 2007 at 12:44 pm

    I still say once you have talked to him and let him cook you a burger turns out he is a nice guy.

    Ever think in order to get things done you have to look like your holding a lantern for the boss?

    Now if your looking at Geake wherever he lands it will be on his feet.

    short enough folks? :)

  • 47 Jake Bloom // Nov 9, 2007 at 12:55 pm

    KNOCK KNOCK HELLO-HELLO

    So did Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chevez, Saddam Hussen,and Bashar al-ASAD. But I don’t want them running Norwalk.

  • 48 anonymous // Nov 9, 2007 at 2:26 pm

    So you are comparing Fred Bondi to Saddam Hussein? The elections in Norwalk are free elections, unlike under Hussein. You aren’t denying reality, you’ve lost touch with reality!

  • 49 Bill McDermot // Nov 9, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    No you have lost touch with reality “The best man does not always win”

    He got the most votes, but in the 3rd District he most likely have been beaten by Charles Manson.

    I am not comparing him with anyone, YOU ARE. I just stated that getting the most votes is not always the proof that someone is the best person that ran. Are you a Bush supporter?

    I just want him to act like a Democrat and not a Republican Lap Dog at least 80% of the time. As an At Large Councilman person, he will have a much bigger constituency to deal with. Even though they voted for him they could turn on him in a moment. Now a bigger audience will get to see him perform.

    I wish the guy well, I just want to see him please those who voted him in and not any political cronies.

  • 50 John C. Romano // Nov 9, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    Well now we are getting somwhere. Four of the last posts were actually signed by and with a real persons name. This is progress. I believe if you have the audacity to slander, melign, cast aspersions,level racial remarks etc. You should also have the guts to let others know who you are.

    Also when you give advise which you expect others to consider it would be nice to know from wenst it came so the author of this advise can be given the credit due or the advise given more or less weight also from who the author is.

    So turfy, give this a thought for the future, it may prove to be more interesting if the authors were required to use their real names such as in the Hour or any other News Paper. Just a thought

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