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Norwalk: Flood Erosion Control Board Controversy


by turfgrrl


October 31st, 2007 · 18 Comments

Somehow I missed this Advocate article Tuesday morning. The idea of the flood erosion control board out of Sunday’s debate spawned a new tributary of campaign rhetoric. First the Tim Stelloh article:

With flooding a central issue in the campaign, a suggestion raised by Democratic Common Council nominee Gail Wall at Sunday’s debate is for the city to resurrect the Flood and Erosion Control Board.

Wall said such a board - which she called vital to fixing Norwalk’s flooding problems - would allow the city to apply for state Department of Environmental Protection funds.

Wall’s suggestion became political when she said the board languished under Republican Mayor Richard Moccia, who failed to re-appoint members.

Moccia said yesterday that the board has not met in 30 years, it does not deal with stormwater issues and it was not given any powers under the 1956 city ordinance creating it.

“If you look at the statute, it simply addresses how appointments are made,” he said. “There were no duties assigned to it. . . . I wanted to make it clear - this is not a board that will deal with local flooding.”

This point was echoed by Frank Favano, a former board member. In his 11 years on the city Planning Commission - which the Flood and Erosion Control Board was a part of - there was not one board meeting, he said.

The city statute creating the board was adopted from state law and describes the board appointment process, what should happen in the event of a board vacancy and how many members are needed to vote.

The state statute governing municipal flood and erosion boards is broader, giving them the ability to issue bonds, to seize property through eminent domain and to repair flood-prone areas with ditches, water storage areas, drains, tide gates and other “flood and erosion control systems.”

It also allows the board to tax property owners who may benefit from such remedies - a provision criticized by Moccia and Republican Common Council member Douglas Hempstead at the debate.

In Westport, Flood and Erosion Board members investigate how to fix flood-prone areas. The board also provides a public forum, according to Deputy Town Engineer Peter Ratkiewich. Usually, the board prioritizes projects by measuring likely success, he said. And it has never taxed individual property owners.

“That’s a political football. A board that’s appointed is not unilateral in its decision-making,” he said. “To the best of my knowledge, in Westport it hasn’t been done. That type of assessment becomes a capital improvement project.”

The board can also apply for state funds.

Denise Ruzicka, the state Department of Environmental Protection’s director of inland water resources, said the state will typically pay one-third of costs for projects that meet a “broad public good” - such as building stormwater basins, acquiring private dams or controlling erosion in streams.

In the deep recesses of the turf-brain, a glimmer of recognition. Why was this all so familiar?

A resident from Westport mentioned that Westport has had stream improvement program for the last 15 years cleaned out culverts and dredged streams. Westport replaced culverts. As an example, 19,000 cubic yards of silt in Nash’s pond was removed about 12 years ago.

According to the guy from DEP, construction sites are major contributor to silt problems, and that could be a contributing factor. He also mentioned that there exists a state regulation from the era of the ‘55 flood, that allows municipalities to create flood erosion control boards and that is how the transfer of funds from the state to the municipality for flood control issues. According to Diane Lauricella, Norwalk has one that has not met for many years. Westport has a board that meets monthly. The DEP can only fund a flood control project which has environmental impact.

The meeting concluded with some short term goals outlined that included; get rid of blockages in the streams, expand the bridges, get flood control board together.

Well then, that clears that up. The CT DEP will give municipalities money for flood control measures, but they need the board to transfer the funds to. Hal Alvord was there at this meeting and apaprently didn’t relay the results to anyone else. The statute doesn’t indicate anything about the board, but then its the DEP that controls the money. Following all of this?

The town of Fairfield, btw, got money for their flood control measures which they managed to implement in the month after the April floods. In Norwalk, we are still just discussing the same old issues.

source: Advocate, Flooding becomes hot campaign topic Parties debate restoring board, By Tim Stelloh, October 30 2007

Tags: In the News · Norwalk

18 Responses so far “Norwalk: Flood Erosion Control Board Controversy”



  • 1 Anonymous // Oct 31, 2007 at 8:34 am

    The Board is not needed to apply for or receive State funds - the City’s current structure is capable of accomplishing this (if money was, in actuality, available). The one power of the Board discussed in the article - to assess property owners - can also already be accomplished through the City’s Freeholder’s process which is acted on by the Public Works Committee and Common Council.

  • 2 Anonymous // Oct 31, 2007 at 8:54 am

    Westport seems to have a different understanding.

    http://www.westportct.gov/government/boards/fecb.htm

  • 3 CT DEP INFO // Oct 31, 2007 at 9:02 am

    Flood and Erosion Control Boards

    A municipal Flood and Erosion Control Board may plan, lay out, acquire, construct, reconstruct, repair, maintain, supervise, or manage a flood or erosion control system. It may buy or condemn property it needs for such a system (CGS § 25-86), and finance it by issuing bonds, levying taxes, imposing special assessments, or any combination of these (CGS § 25-87).

  • 4 anonymous // Oct 31, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    What a shame that Norwalk’s leadership doesn’t lead. Maybe we could borrow Fairfield’s mayor!

  • 5 Anonymous // Oct 31, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    Wont work for Norwalk since most of the boards we have now are worthless due to red tape and having to be politically correct. Nothing gets done when it’s controlled by local government. Please leave it to the neighborhood groups since their mission is the community and not politics. When things get political they never get done unless it’s to the benefit of the politician via developer or some other scam. I hope the neighborhood activist I elect into office don’t turn into politicians and remember why they got elected to work for the community. The people that elected you should come first line your pockets second if you must.

  • 6 Anonymous // Oct 31, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    Yeah, I can see neighborhood groups dealing with the flooding issues. Probably would be a lot more efficient than having the local government do it but then it’s really not their responsibility, is it?

  • 7 Anonymous // Oct 31, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    I would like to see the flooding addressed with some of the surplus we have and with more grants. We can’t keep raising taxes we need to find ways of taking care of our infrastructure and stop blaming any one administration. This has been neglected for so long that it probably spans 4-5 admins.

  • 8 anonymous // Oct 31, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    I would like to see the flooding addressed with the 1/3 to 1/2 funding from the CT DEP that our mayor and DPW have neglected to go after!

  • 9 Merrell's Hat // Oct 31, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    1) Flood Control Board works for Westport because of its RTM form of Government.
    2)Flood Boards can assess costs to property owners that are directly affected by flood control project.They bare the costs.
    3)Imagine the millions that would have to be paid by Olmstead, Lockwood, Silvermine, Stonybrook on and on That is some kind of tax bill.$Millions$$$$
    4) Knopp ignores flood issues for 4 years.
    5 Moccia address flood issues. puts money in to do the kind of things other towns are getting around to now.
    6)The 5 year capital budget IDs money needed over the next few years to address most severe flooding issues.
    7) Planning commission acts as Flood board and Public works and City can apply for the sane funds (Very Restricted they are) that Flood Boards can.
    8) Please read all regulations.
    9) Who needs another layer of government. Remember when you didn’t have a sewer bill? I do.

  • 10 mattw // Oct 31, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    Anon 4:20 - Addressing flooding with the surplus was proposed earlier this year, and Moccia opposed it. (When the budget was $750K under the cap, Stuart Wells proposed using $500K for flood maintenance).

    I think administrations can only take on so many “big projects” at once — the Knopp admin went after school repair, and that is what he’ll be remembered for. Anyone have a clue what Moccia will be remembered for when he’s gone?

  • 11 itspathetic // Nov 1, 2007 at 12:09 am

    Floodie here. If ALL the departments and commissions did their jobs properly, there is probably no need for a Flood and Erosion Control Board, although I applaud Ms. Wall for having the political courage to challenge the status quo and ask for the re-establishment of the board. Here’s a more practical solution in the meantime: Every department needs to ask questions about stormwater runoff control & flooding on every permit application and any activity that is regulated by the city. The question is simple “Does this activity contribute to or mitigate flooding damage?”
    The activities could be as routine as a homeowner building a driveway and supermarket building a parking lot, or as massive as the Redevelopment project. It could be the planting of a new school sport field or the chopping down of one tree. Any regulated activity within the city should come under the scrutiny of the proper departments who should be asking these questions. As to the regional issue, any major activity outside of the city limits but within the watershed area should also be questioned.
    The people who protect Long Island Sound call stormwater runoff the last unregulated hazadous pollutant and they spend millions protecting the Sound from runoff, yet little money is spent to control runoff at the source and to protect homeowners from the digusting “toxic soup”. It broke my heart to see young children playing and splashing in the flooded streets during the last major floods. People think flooded streets are just rainwater, like the puddles we played in as children. This is not the case. These puddles are raw sewerage, motor oil, antifreeze, road salt, animal feces, pesticides, chemicals, decaying rodents, etc.
    The bottom line is that most of the flooding is not a natural disaster occurrence like Katrina or the effect of tides and overflowing riverbanks. Most of the flooding is due to NEGLECT of the maintenance of the city stormwater systems, lack of regulations for the control of runoff on public and private property, and lack of enforcement of current regulations. The biggest response to date to the stormwater runoff issue has been sponges in catch basins to trap toxins and garbage before it gets into Long Island Sound and harms the fish. Nice thought. Here’s a better one: How ’bout keeping the crap out of my house. As to a possible Flood & Erosion Control Board here,the same power that they could use to impose taxes and fees on flooded homeowners & flood-prone neighborhoods will already be bestowed upon Norwalk under the new Storm Water Authority pilot program that we are participating in.
    http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/ACT/PA/2007PA-00154-R00HB-06856-PA.htm

    I DARE THEM TO ASSESS AN ADDITIONAL TAX or FEE ON ANY PROPERTY OWNER IN THIS CITY UNDER THE POLITICAL GUISE OF FIXING THE FLOODING.
    They have all the money they need to prevent flooding and it comes to them in a nice little package called PROPERTY TAX. The same property tax that pays for police and fire services, education, public works, health & safety and recreation is supposed to be the same tax that pays for the city service of maintaining our infrastructure. How about the issue of bonding on any capital projects needed? There was no money for flooding because we had to protect the AAA Bond rating at all costs, yet now we will be bonded up the ass to fund infrastructure improvements for the redevelopment areas!!!! We can all plan on moving out of Norwalk if any one of those developers goes belly-up!
    And the notion of Federal and State funds to fix what we broke makes me sick. We let the system decay, we failed to maintain the equipment to maintain the systems, we failed to hire the men to maintain the equiment to maintain the system, we failed (unlike Fairfield) to subcontract the maintenance work, we failed to regulate overdevelopment, we failed to priortize unpopular pipe cleaning over politically-rewarding road paving. I don’t think the taxpayers in Butte, Montana or little Union, Connecticut (pop.550) should have to pay for our neglect & failure. Just as I don’t want to pay to bail out crumbling infrastructure in their towns. This mentality of let it decay and sooner or later the state or feds will have to pay is dangerous and addictive. It fosters an environment of entitlement. While flooding is the issue du jour we must take advantage of this window of opportunity to focus in on the real causes of flooding, and be open to all the possible remedies. If doing so requires the establishment of a group of concerned people called the Flood and Erosion Control Board, then start signing them up. It is time for honest and open dialogue about the problem, the causes and the solutions. And here’s an idea. Let’s have some regional folk sit on the board, like the “think outside the box” DPW folks in Fairfield and one of the “let’s reimburse the homeowners for the damages we caused” folks from Greenwich. Like it or not, this city has NO VESTED INTEREST IN STOPPING THE FLOODING because it does not pay for the damages, it has not impacted its bond rating, and realtors have not yet begun to bitch that the “googling” of Norwalk by prospective homebuyers and business is going to bring up flooding articles!! While we’re at it, you may as well throw in at least one flood victim on the board to keep them focused and honest. Sign me up. You know who I am.

  • 12 karen tobin // Nov 1, 2007 at 12:20 am

    Mattw

    I think that Moccia learned from Knopp’s mistake. Knopp took on the “big project” of school repair and did it quickly to garner attention and press. Unfortunately, as the saying goes “you can do something fast or you can do it right”. Knopp chose to do it fast. And as a result we have roofs that are already leaking. In the long run, Knopp will be remembered as replacing old leaky roofs with new leaky roofs (oh, and p***ing off the firefighters).

    I admire the fact that Moccia is more interested in addressing issues properly than in getting press.

    Neglect of the water/sewer system is decades old. (I find it interesting that Gail Wall mentions that appointments languished under Moccia but forgets they also languised under Knopp). Knopp did nothing about this. Esposito, Collins, Zullo - all did nothing about it. Perhaps the problems were not obvious then. Or maybe they had more pressing issues ot deal with. But it is fairly disingenuous to expect Moccia to be able to snap his fingers and make the problem go away when it is decades in the making. And as for the surplus, I have to agree with him that $500K was not enough to repair the system and it would have been like sticking a band-aid on someone’s stomach when they need an apendectomy.

    It is equally disingenuous to demand that he apply for grants without knowing the specifics, including the strings which come with the grant funding. And there are ALWAYS strings attached to federal or state grants.

    Any grants for the water or sewer system will have performance requirements. This is not a problem for Westport and Fairfield because they have kept up with maintenance. Their systems do not need the type of work ours does. I would assume (based upon my vast experience with grants) that Moccia has to study the issue very thoroughly and be certain that he is not applying for a grant that would require the city to agree to standards and upgrades we presently cannot afford. In such a case the grant would cost more money than it would bring in.

    I am not The Amazing Kreskin. We cannot know what Moccia will be remembered for until he leaves office. I hope for everyone’s sake in town that Moccia will be remembered for taking the time and being thorough enough to “get it right”. There is something to that old saying that a marathon is won by pacing oneself and having persistence, and not by sprinting…

  • 13 mattw // Nov 1, 2007 at 12:22 am

    I admire the fact that Moccia is more interested in addressing issues properly than in getting press.

    I just thought this was funny. Didn’t he have a two ribbon-cutting ceremonies at the same library?

  • 14 karen tobin // Nov 1, 2007 at 12:38 am

    itspathetic

    I truly empathize with anyone who is a victim of this flooding.

    But when you talk about our property taxes supporting our infrastructure and state that no one in Montana should be paying for our mistakes, you are missing a HUGE point. We are paying for the mistakes of other cities in this state. THAT is the reason for our crumbling infrastructure.

    Because the state legislature allocates how those monies are spent, a disproportional share of our taxes are going to other cities. For every $1.00 we pay in taxes, we get back only 62 cents, while Hartford, Waterbury, Bridgeport and other cities are getting back upwards of $1.75 for every $1.00 sent.

    Our bond rating saves us millions, but it cannot make up for the amount of money that is lost each year.

    If we went to a hospital and were asked to give a pint of blood, we would. But if were told that we would be forced to give 3-4 pints of bloood to another person - whatever they needed, even past the point that it made us desperately ill, we would turn around and walk away. So wake up. The legislature in Hartford is bleeding us dry. That is the cause of our crumbling infrastructure.

  • 15 Mary Pugh // Nov 1, 2007 at 7:53 am

    Mattw: FWIW…Moccia does not control being invited to ribbon cuttings. The library board INVITED Moccia to cut the ribbons. One for the opening of SONO branch, the second for the unveiling of the walkway of bricks on the first anniversary.

    It would have been inappropriate for him NOT to attend…and we appreciate his support of the library efforts.

    Since I am mentioning the library, may I take this opportunity to remind everyone that the SONO branch is OPEN SATURDAYS - we are watching traffic levels to see if the demand is there…please help us to spread the word throughout SONO that it is open on Saturdays…
    Thank you.

    Mary Pugh

  • 16 I'm Tired of Drinking Wine // Nov 1, 2007 at 9:17 am

    karen tobin wrote:

    >> I would assume that Moccia has to study the issue very thoroughly…

    If Moccia is studying something closely, then we should assume that someone on his staff taped it to the bottom of the bottle.

  • 17 Anonymous // Nov 1, 2007 at 9:21 am

    I’m Tired of Drinking Wine-probably shared it with the cocktail club on the otherside of the aisle.

  • 18 LitsinsotaWak // Nov 2, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    strange….
    http://askmewhere.org/parking.php4?task=search&domain=askmewhere.org&s=e1297b96cec7620782a6&conf_id=0&a_id=2&language=en&pxy_t=254&start=1&add_c=114597bed555bf802013590a8c4fae5e&pgt=&keyword=Ufo&pos=4&sub=1

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