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Norwalk: The Lost Standards of the Norwalk Museum


by turfgrrl


October 21st, 2007 · 28 Comments

Maybe I’m too much of an idealist when it comes to expecting that the wheels of government grind slowly but surely in the direction of progress. Its taken me several days of detoxification to tackle the subject of the Norwalk Museum. Part of that had to do with the total disgust I felt after attending the Thursday night common council committee meeting of Land use & Building Management. That meeting demonstrated in so many ways what is wrong with Norwalk’s government. All the committee had to do was vote on whether pass a proposal from the Friends of the Museum to the Law and Personnel Departments for review. It seems so simple, doesn’t it, when I express it that way. But getting it expressed in the form of an action is something I learned from School House Rock. I’m not sure where these committee members learned their governmental process, but a refresher course in getting the business of government done seems to be desperately needed.

The item in question, as phrased on the agenda was: 1. Review proposal from Friends of the Norwalk Museums, Inc. to the Norwalk Historical Commission for the City to enter into an agreement for the operation of the Norwalk Museum.

Chairman Doug Sutton opened discussion, with a 5 minute dissertation on curing concrete. Okay, it was an analogy of sorts. But it missed the opportunity to lay out what the real issue.

The Historical Commission voted unanimously to accept the concept of outsourcing the operation of the Norwalk Museum to an non-profit group. They had a proposal from the Friends of the Norwalk Museum, and had referred it to the Land Use & Building Management Committee for review.

So what does the Land Use & Building Management committee actually oversee? Certainly not the day to day operations of what transpires in city buildings. They oversee the minutia of funding the operational aspects of buildings, not the uses within. So if you read through the years of minutes, as I have, you see the actions concerning leases, contracts to authorize repairs, and the matters concerning city easements and conveyances. All of these concrete issues, but not of concrete.

Somehow, when it comes to the Norwalk Museum, a fog descends and what has been clear becomes unclear and what is straightforward becomes convoluted. And thus, after Doug Hempstead made a motion to move this conceptual proposal to the law department, suddenly all sorts of non pertinent issues came crawling out of the woodwork.

First Bill Krummel has to speak in circles about wanting progress yet worried about what the union thinks.

Then Gwenn Briggs says that she’d like to see a board of directors for the Museum.

Kevin Poruban, after arriving late, and thus missing the preambles says that the problem is with the union opposing this proposal because of the job description of the curator.

Doug Hempstead starts to get frustrated and says he’s frustrated that this item did not get onto the last Common Council Agenda so that the council could vote (up or down) on passing this to the law department.

Then the Union guy speaks, (Joe Delalo NEA) and he says what any union guy would say. The union does not care who the curator is but they want to preserve the union position. This should be a surprise to Peter Bondi who has stated on August 22, “The Union representative has declined the proposal stating that the Union will file a prohibitive practice because the Friends want to do the Curator’s job.”. Oh what a tangled web we weave. But the continuing discussion did not stop here at the obvious resolution of whether the union supported or opposed the Friends’ proposal, it went on and on and on about the job description that has never changed in substance since 1972. Is there any job description in America that has not undergone a revision since 1972?

But the hounds have been let loose and so ever and all issues that could possibly be crammed into a discussion about moving a conceptual proposal to the law department is out there. The chairman, Doug Sutton, makes no efforts to reign in the discussions to the agenda item at hand, and I am transfixed by the train wreckage of government gone off the rails.

Within the Land Use & Building Management committee rests the power to authorize spending to maintain buildings. Yet year after year, the historic buildings that the city owns are not included in the umbrella maintenance contracts the city uses to upkeep its properties. And many of the issues now being discussed relate right back to the inability of simple maintenance issues being ignored by the curator which not surprisingly relate right back to this committees funding and support. The nub of it? If the city had actually funded operations of the museum the Friends would have not been forced to the position of funding through donations the operation of the museum in the first place. The irony of this does not permeate the thick layer of feigned political outrage because now we are down the infamous level of “process.”

Krummel is now wound up. “I’m concerned about process.” He cites from the minutes that the proposal before does not include the changes that were in the July Historical Commisison minutes. He cites that the union was against it the proposal. He asks if the language change means they change the union position. Yegads. Hadn’t Krummel been listening to the union guy says that all the union cared about was preserving the position of a curator, and nothing else. The conceptual proposal says nothing about the curator because it is not the issue here. The issue is whether to outsource the operations of the museum or not. Since the city chooses not to fund the operations, then it is can likely be concluded that the city has made that decision over and over and for a number of years. But its still process.

And so Gail Wall points out that the Historical Commission did in fact make a language change to reflect that a curator would exist under the framework of the conceptual proposal. Her copy of the proposal has the change. Krummel retorts his does not. All eyes in the packed room swivel over to Historical Commission Chair Peter Bondi. “I did do that. I made the changes in July and then in August and sent them right away,” he says. And there for a stunning instant, all of the details about who did what when should have melted away because here was the crystal clear moment, the real time irrefutable evidence that the museum operation in addition to the functionality of the Historical Commission was broken. Was Bondi implying that it was Alan Lo who failed to distribute the August update to the proposal? Why was it Bondi and not curator and sole staff person to the commission sending along referrals?

The moment passes and its back on the merry go round again, because no one wants to let go of the curator issue now. The curator, btw, is supposed to be the secretary of the Historical Commission and the lone staff person to that commission. In the few meetings that I have attended, she does not show up. Thus it was left to Bondi to either appoint a secretary (which he did not) or perform the duties himself, which he chose to do.

Krummel is confused and can’t manage to get out of this own thought patterns to amend the proposal before him to include the language about including a curator. The union guys is getting nervous and he now wants everyone to know that the curator should be running the museum because that is what the job description says. Ralph Bloom points out that he was the original curator and that the job description doesn’t exactly say that. And it goes on some more, with Gail Wall pointing out that for 25 years the Friends have been running the museum and that worked just fine in those years.

Hempstead then asks if according to the union contract can the Historical Commission fire the curator, and the union guy says yes. Poruban doesn’t like this answer and says that he’ll put Hal Alvord on the spot by having him weigh in on that question. Alvord dances around the subject by way of pointing out that, you can terminate anyone and that can be by any supervisor based on a the contract. But NMEA has progressive discipline.

More discussion and finally they get around to the vote. Krummel announces that he will vote against it. So Poruban does too, but when Krummel doesn’t propose an alternative they go back and revote the motion as Hempstead stated. So off goes the proposal by the Friends to the law and personnel departments.

The disgust I had at that point was too much to continue seeing what else this committee would mangle. None of the committee members seemed interested in moving the process forward. Krummel was left to his rambling, Poruban was allowed to interject new items, and no one made any effort to amend the proposal for anything that they brought up in discussion.

For the record, I cite below meeting minuets from this same commitee in February of 2006.

Discussion continued about whether or not items should go before the Council and then to the Committee, or to the Committee first and then on to the Council, and included discussion of the reasoning for staff sending items to the Council prior to Committee meetings. Mr. Kydes stated that he believed it was staff’s decision to determine which Committee or Council review the information first, and it was the responsibility of staff and not the Legal Department to develop the agreement; the Legal Department should review them afterwards to be sure the City is protected. Mr. Hempstead felt that Mr. Krummel’s question had a point, and further discussion followed between Committee members and Mr. Lo.

How many times will this committee debate what the correct process for submitting proposals for referrals and approvals? That answer, unfortunately, is as many times as it takes. And that is our loss.

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28 Responses so far “Norwalk: The Lost Standards of the Norwalk Museum”



  • 1 Anonymous // Oct 21, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    I remember the union representative said at the LUBM meeting the other night is that the city can decide to get out of the museum business and defund the job altogether. Isn’t that what the Mayor’s Committee recomended over FOUR years ago?

    I also agree with Mr. Kenney who spoke of how all city museums are run by non-profits because the city doesn’t have the knowledge or funds to do it. I looked up Mr. Kenney’s family museum http://www.rjdmuseum.org he spoke of. It was clear to me that it would be better to have the Friends with board members like him running the museum (like the Historical Society does for Mill Hill and the Lockwood Mathews Mansion Museum (LMMM) board does for the Mansion) than a city employee who cannot be REASONABLY ACCOMMODATED.

    As for Peter Bondi, I think he looked like he was being disingenuous to the Council committee members, and was only there to protect his good friend, the curator. He actually looked pretty clueless.

    It was interesting that the union guy would say that about the Historical Commission’s (HC) right to fire the curator, when the Chair of the Personnel Committee (Grant) recently told the HC that only the Mayor could fire her. This political interference over legal guidance began when Mayor Esposito erroneously told the HC, “She works for me (although not an appointed position) and there’s nothing you can do about it.”

    This was during the curator’s probationary period and after the HC wrote a letter dated November 15, 2000, to Asst. Corporation Counsel, Diane Beltz-Jacobson, stating they had “grave concerns about the erratic, museum hours, the quality of exhibits the security of our collections and its readily accessible community use.” These concerns have greatly multiplied over the last 7 years.

    Why did both Mr. Bondi’s work so hard to get the Common Council to NOT renominate the former Chair of the HC, Diane Rochelle? I can’t figure out why both of the Bondis are such strong supporters of the curator. Could they have some other agenda? What is their relationship with the curator’s father and godfather?

  • 2 anonymous // Oct 21, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Wow, Turfgirl. My head is spinning reading this post! No wonder we have so many unresolved problems in Norwalk. Sounds like we need to start with committee chairman who are capable of running a meeting…

  • 3 Anon // Oct 21, 2007 at 8:50 pm

    I have had the pleasure of dealing with the LUBM Committee of the CC for several years. With the exception of a few members (Hempstead being one) my own experience has shown that most have been clueless and often totally unprepared to deal with agenda items. Their egos will not permit them to act in accordance with their limitations, so they act like a Krummelite, and pontificate in excess. Kydes is not much better. While he’s usually a “no-show” (which we like) his cameo appearances are always as unprepared, but filled with the aroma of arrogance. Nicky the Great will never be out pontificated. He be the man. And last but not least, the relative newcomer to the LUBM act of characters is Poruban. Poor Kevin….poor, poor Kevin Poor misunderstood Kevin! It’s hard to believe that he takes himself seriously. To say that he is not too bright would be short changing his parking meter. I think most of Norwalk is waiting to see the red flag pop up on his meter
    that says VIOLATION. God help us when the Dems can’t find a better loser then him to fill an empty CC seat.The entire state of our little local governement is pretty bad when you’ve had the opportunity to see it in action. Most often it is just a room full of either elected or appointed egotistical, self serving, incompetent empty suits. Hey wait a minute….this sounds just like the BOE!!!

  • 4 Inside Opinion // Oct 21, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    Turf Girl you have illustrated accurately the state of many of these committees that we rely on to advance Norwalk’s business. Attend a few others and you will find that it can even get worse. It is too bad that most of Norwalk does not see these politicians for who they are. Keep up the good work.

  • 5 Al Bore // Oct 22, 2007 at 8:09 am

    You might be surprized how people are starting to open there eyes to the politicians and do see them for what they are. The problem is no one who is worth a damn wants to get into such a dirty job as politics. It is a sad day when you can no longer trust the people that are suposed to lead and make things better for the residents. Not all politicians are bad and most are good people however to succeed in politics you must put asside all your morals and we as voters must elect the best of two eviles. Lets hope the people from the neighborhood groups that really care about the residents and there quality of life issues dont turn into politicians when they get elected. Stay tuned.

  • 6 Hasty judgements // Oct 22, 2007 at 8:31 am

    Wait a minute…before pillorying the Land Use Committee, give them credit (especially Bill Krummel who sat on the HC as the CC representative) for being the ONLY arm of our erstwhile government to try to take some action to straighten out the Museum quagmire. The folks that TG criticized (Krummel, Sutton, Poruban and Briggs) are the ones working behind the scenes to bring some sort of order to the chaos of the Museum. TALK to them about the situation to see what’s really going on before making blanket judgements. I’ll bet there is pressure from “above” — for whatver reason — to NOT move forward on the Friends of the Museums proposal. Wasn’t it the Mayor who orchestrated the reorganizaton of the HC to put Peter Bondi in charge? I can’t believe that Moccia (and those around him) didn’t know that BOndi was the prime apologist for Ms. Gunn. As someone on the blog so eloquently put it “the fish stinks from the head down.”

  • 7 anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 8:45 am

    The land use commmittee members need to keep focused on the business before them within the guidelines of their charter and their chairman needs to keep the meeting on track.

  • 8 Anonymous64 // Oct 22, 2007 at 9:02 am

    It is sad to think that after all these years on the Council, Doug Sutton has no idea of how to run a meeting. And, no one on the committee seems to be able to pull his chestnuts out of the fire when he is getting singed. An entire group of incompetents, including Hempstead…

  • 9 Al Bore // Oct 22, 2007 at 10:23 am

    Bill Krummel the distric E guy seems to be one of the good politicians and has my respect. He seems to care about the residents.

  • 10 Anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 10:29 am

    With all due respect, Bill Krummel also believes that Colonial Village is a slum neighborhood. Perhaps he could take some of the energy he has to improve other parts of Norwalk and direct it towards improving the quality of life at some of our housing projects.

  • 11 Anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 10:30 am

    Hasty judgments it looks like TG criticized the entire committee which included Hempstead. And not one of them is doing anything behind the scenes, because if they were, we would not still be talking about the same issues for the last 6 years. Nothing has changed and nothing gets done, and there is no one to blame but the elected politicians who smile to your face and make sure that the status quo is upheld.

  • 12 Hasty judgements // Oct 22, 2007 at 10:59 am

    The Land Use committee members were the only ones willing to stick their necks out and try for some sort of reasonable resolution to the operation of the Norwalk Museum. No one else in the administration would go anywhere near this particular “hot potato”. They were also a key force in keeping Fodor Farm moving toward a satisfactory resolution. Judge not too hastily by surface appearances.

  • 13 Hasty judgements // Oct 22, 2007 at 11:18 am

    I believe the term was “ghetto” — a term that orginated to describe part of a European city set apart for Jews. I think Krummel well understands the discrmination against the Jews that was the origin of the term and was using it correctly to describe the seperate but UNEQUAL actions of our own public housing agency in regard to Colonial Village. Taking a word out of context is a small-minded attempt to discredit a man who (in everything I’ve seen)consistently demontrates honest concern and respect for the diverse communities in this town — all of them.

  • 14 anon // Oct 22, 2007 at 11:47 am

    3 years to do soomething with Fodor Farm? That is the pace of this crew. We can expect nothing faster.

  • 15 WWII Is Over // Oct 22, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    Old men may want to claim ghetto as a 65 year old term but ghetto since the 1980s is something else. Krummel meant what he said.

  • 16 Hasty judgements // Oct 22, 2007 at 12:47 pm

    I understood it in the correct sense: not to disparge the people but to point out the city’s “ghettoization” of a segment of its population. You are wielding the “politically correct” cudgel in a manner that is, in itself, disturbingly biased.

  • 17 Hasty judgements // Oct 22, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmVFnhO3A98

    Who knew? Krummel and Elvis, of one mind.

  • 18 Mr Greenpeace // Oct 22, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    I have been posting this letter where I think it may be best understood but today each thread seems to want to discuss this complex. Sorry about the cross posting but this letter deserves the exposure some have found it interesting and a veiw worth reading.

    I agree with #13 trying to discredit someone, a man I don’t know either for problems Norwalks residents keep allowing is a bit of a stretch.

    of course there will be the agruments about this but read the letter and tell me who’s fault is this , why does this continue to be the norm in Norwalk?

    Colonial Village expansion forced on neighborhood

    To the Editor:
    With the former Colonial Village Community Center nothing more than a small pile of rubble, it is obvious that the Norwalk Housing Authority is moving forward with their plans to destroy the longtime ball field/playground (formerly a city park) and the only remaining “green space” in this area to make way for even more housing units in this already very densely populated and congested area.

    The housing authority is literally shoving these expansion plans down my neighborhood’s throat, as our local politicians just stand idly by. (Yet they want our votes!)

    “Won’t affect me” you’re saying to yourself. Really? I think that the expansion proposed there at Colonial Village might “affect” you more than you think. Are you a Norwalk taxpayer? Any children in the Norwalk public school system? Do you drive or shop in Norwalk in the Route 1/Connecticut Avenue area?

    Are you concerned with Norwalk’s current quality of life? How about the increasing housing density in Norwalk?
    So now take a moment and think about what this could mean in terms of additional cars on the local roads, additional children in the school system, the added cost to educate them, the additional necessary city services and infrastructure cost, the destruction of the very limited open space/parkland in town, etc. And those items are just the tip of the iceberg. Most of those things require additional funds — which could lead to HIGHER TAXES that YOU and I would have to pay. So it won’t only be me and my neighborhood that will be affected – it will also be YOU and your neighborhood that’s affected.
    How would you feel if a special interest group was allowed to hijack your neighborhood and put THEIR cause and interest ahead of what YOU, the people of the neighborhood felt was best?

    Just like other neighborhoods, we feel that we deserve a major voice in how our neighborhood is developed. And who would know better than the people of the neighborhood as to the state of our neighborhood, and the direction we feel it should go in. We are the ones that live here each and every day! (Even though we had representatives attend the master planning meetings, our input was totally ignored.)

    We feel that this proposed expansion will just completely overpopulate our already heavily populated neighborhood and totally destroy what little residential character it has remaining, while continuing to further batter my neighborhood’s already declining quality of life. I don’t believe that the Norwalk Housing Authority’s main concerns are about things like traffic congestion, housing density, neighborhood population, quality of life elements, crime, school population, balanced development, “smart” growth, preservation of neighborhoods or what the impact will be on existing home values in the neighborhood.

    As someone who lives here each and every day and has a large financial stake in what happens there, I see these as major elements of concern. These are certainly many of the things that make a neighborhood, and the things that make that neighborhood livable.

    And where will the many, many “high risk” children from Colonial Village and the surrounding neighborhood have a chance to safely play to help “relieve their boredom” and maybe partake in some sports activities, which might teach them some of life’s lessons including things like teamwork and sportsmanship coupled with some character development, if their only park and open space is destroyed to build this additional housing? When you look closely at the sites of existing parks, you will see that the closest existing park is miles away, and requires crossing heavily trafficked roads.

    Just what are our priorities?

    I ask for your support to continue to oppose the housing authority’s plan to add any additional housing in any way shape or form to this area and complex, and that the open space at Colonial Village be restored to its original intended purpose — as a park and open space to provide residents and neighbors alike a deserved place to play, relax and unwind in.

    No Colonial Village expansion!

    John Kuran

    Norwalk

  • 19 Mr Greenpeace // Oct 22, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    I suppose the mayor could save the day or Briggs and give the Gault site a ok for a playground..

    its being said the ten gallon hat may be looking good right about now..

    how odd this wasn’t a story or a thread itself..its like the elephant in the room no one wants to see.

  • 20 anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    Can the sewage pumping station handle another complex in that area. It has already been backing up in houses during major storms.

  • 21 Anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    Can we keep the threads relevant to the topics for these postings? This is for the Norwalk Museum issue, not flooding.

  • 22 Mr Greenpeace // Oct 22, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    So what does the Land Use & Building Management committee actually oversee? Certainly not the day to day operations of what transpires in city buildings. They oversee the minutia of funding the operational aspects of buildings, not the uses within. So if you read through the years of minutes, as I have, you see the actions concerning leases, contracts to authorize repairs, and the matters concerning city easements and conveyances. All of these concrete issues, but not of concrete

    I took this from the what was written , even thou out of context its just not the Museum its the way things are run in the city, so to keep up with whats posted its ok to jump around its the way the city is run at times.

    so with all respect I’m sure if we keep posting things that effect all of us we get the picture.

    45 million to replace a roof at Norwalk College because the first one was not done right,,simply another lesson we should be talking about so it doesn’t happen again I’d say..not that the anybody in Norwalk had anything to do with that,,we do have a building inspector i assume?

    I could be wrong about the above I havn’t seen the state report on the roof yet..

  • 23 Anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    With all respect, if we all just posted what we want under any thread we all may as well just be singing frickin Kumbaya and thinking Happy Meal thoughts. Keep the topics relevant and maybe your detractors will shut up.

  • 24 Anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 6:11 pm

    How did Hempstead (who is quoted here as frustrated due to the incompetence of the committee chair) assume responsibiity for said incompetence?

    You are quite right. Politics is a sordid, nasty business, isn’t it? That twisted attempt at discrediting Hempstead is a prime example.

  • 25 Anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 7:37 pm

    Im a republician voting for Bill Krummel since reading this blog. I which he would run for mayor someone who is not afraid to speak his mind good or bad is ok in my book. A politician is supposed to say what he thinks people want to hear. Wow an elected official that thinks and speaks his own mind, what will they think of next.

  • 26 Anonymous // Oct 22, 2007 at 10:38 pm

    He is a great choice #25 too bad you weren’t able to meet and talk to him outside of city hall he listens rather well.I have also found him to be genuine and concerned about Norwalk.

  • 27 Anonymous // Oct 23, 2007 at 8:58 am

    I believe that Mr. Krummel was trying to put Peter Bondi on the spot in an unpointed way. It was not clear that night if Mr. Bondi had given the Committee the Friend’s amended proposal at all or gave them one which was not correct at all. I think that was the point Krummel was trying to make. He wanted to make sure the i’s were dotted and the t’s were crossed.

    Anyway it was clear that Mr. Bondi was only there to put a fly in the oatmeal and push his own personal agenda, and help his friend, the curator. He is trying to run the Historical Commission unilaterally, without resolutions or the votes from the commission. It’s really a joke.

  • 28 baffled // Oct 24, 2007 at 10:58 am

    Why does Bondi put his own reputation and integrity in question for an incompetent city employee? Wouldn’t getting rid of her in favor of others who might be able to make the museum decent enough to be mentioned in the same breath with the Bruce or the Maritime Center, etc., bring him positive recognition, votes and the confidence of his constituents?

    Are the Bondi and Gunn families related in some way?

    By blood, business, politics or money?

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