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Norwalk: Common Council Meeting


by turfgrrl


September 12th, 2007 · 34 Comments

Tonight there was a full house at the Common Council meeting, meaning no council members was absent, but Mary Roman, the City Clerk was absent since she is in Italy competing at a seniors Olympics event. The Hour did a nice profile of the event earlier in the Month.

After a moment of silence for 9/11 the council worked over the last minutes with minor corrections. It seems ages since I was last at a council meeting, and the night had a sort of a back to school flavor.

Mayor Moccia withdrew to the name of Karen Tobin as Human Relations Commission, because, as he explained that her husband is running for political office. Must be that election season reasoning, one that supercedes common sense and replaces it with hyper partisan sense. I suspect that someone will make hay with the Briggs and Briggs team running for mayor and council in some delightful yet arcane recounting of votes concerning planning issues that perhaps should not have been taken without disclosure.

Speaking of Briggs, Gwen that is, she spoke in favor of Michael Stewart being promoted to Tax Assessor. She mentioned that it was nice to see someone being promoted from within the department. Phyllis Bolden also said the same thing. I wonder if both of them have that same fond feeling when it comes to Board of Education hires.

The mayor did mention that the 9/11 ceremony held at (City Hall?) this morning was reported on NPR this morning. Before the consent calendar, the mayor reminded everyone that Kathryn Hebert lost her brother that day, and that many cities are no longer holding these types of ceremonies. The mayor was appropriately solemn and statesman like. Mike Coffey spoke briefly about the ceremony as well.

And then it was back to the business. Coffey reading the consent calendar, and the rest of the council doing their best first day back school impressions.

I spoke to Lt. David Wrinn about the Segways that I saw at the Oyster festival right before the meeting. Apparently the guys at the Segway booth loaned the Segway to the police for the event. It was cool to see Norwalk police on them and for a moment at least then, I was hoping that Norwalk has gotten cool all of a sudden and managed to get a grant to get them. Alas, it turned out that was not so.

The attendance tonight was the usual assortment of political flunkies, flunkie wannabes and the various people here to see what was happening with particular issues. It did not appear that anyone signed to speak during the public comment section.

Mike Coffey explains that he met with the Democratic caucus and spoke to the Secretary of state Susan Bysiewicz. Coffey wanted to make sure that the council could change the ballot as needed. He said that they needed to change the order of who appears on the ballot.

This was an issue because the number of candidates will require that the ballot be printed on two sides. There was some confusion as to what the order was, and after they resolved that Hempstead remarked that it was a Chicago ballot. Being from Chicago I got the joke, but it took awhile for the rest of them to figure it out. Hempstead was referring to a sample ballot that was handed out with the names being all dead people. Matt Miklave said it was the voters that were dead in Chicago that were voting, not the candidates. I was waiting for the next line of vote early and vote often, but no one went down that path. The ending order that they voted on was: Mayor, treasurer, city sheriff town clerk, council at large, district city council in district, board of Ed, selectmen, constables, taxing districts.

The consent calendar as usual, had the various items that needed to be yanked. This time a DPW item was yanked by McQuaid and he asked for a 5 minute recess to discuss with his caucus. They looked very serious as they filed into the room. The Democrats all hung out near their seats and seemed not so serious.

The hullabaloo concerns item 13a and b, which was the awarding of a contract to Brunalli construction for the Reed Street Extension Railroad Underpass. Apparently, Brunalli was not the lowest bidder, something that was discussed in an earlier Hour report. The end result was the McQuaid asked that the item be tabled and referred back to the law department. 6 people opposed it (Matt Miklave, Kevin Poruban, Doug Sutton, Gwen Briggs, Bill Krummel and Phyllis opposed it, but it passed.

McQuaid said afterwards that there were concerns raised about the process of choosing the bidder and that the lowest bidder on the project was indicating that they might appeal the award. A referral to corporate counsel is what they have done in the past. Hal Alvord was apparently distressed that the council didn’t approve the authorization. As explained, the money to be used for the project was coming from the state, however, and with bonding issues tied up between the legislature and the Governor’s office it doesn’t look like anything could have been done. Perhaps Alvord was planning on using other funds, but that did not get communicated to the council members.

McQuaid also announced that it was Joanne Romano’s birthday. So Happy Birthday Joanne.

Then Herb Grant explained that voting procedure on the next item. They were to vote on rejecting the Arbitration award on Successor Contract between the Fire Department and City. A vote No meant that were voting to accept the contact. It passed 14-1.

Coffey N
Poruban N
Roamno N
Sutton N
Grant N
McQuaid N
Bolden N
Hillaird N
Bondi N
Kydes N
Hempstead N
Strnaiti N
Briggs N
Krummel N
Miklave Y

And then they adjourned. Afterwards I tracked down a rumor that an ethics complaint was about to be filed on Nick Kydes. Kevin Poruban, who it should be noted is running against Nick Kydes, is filing a complaint that Kydes has violated the ethics code by voting on the present Ethics ordinance. Based on Kydes announcement that he would not act improperly in the future is the justification that he may have acted improperly by not disclosing his brother’s property interests in the Wall Street redevelopment plan.

Kydes vs. Poruban will surely make the district C races even more lively with this hanging out there. Council members were reluctant to discuss how this will be handled, but it is probably going to some sort of hearing under the old rules.

Tags: In the News · Norwalk

34 Responses so far “Norwalk: Common Council Meeting”



  • 1 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 12, 2007 at 9:14 am

    Speaking of an ethics complaint being handled under the “old rules”, what has happened to the forming of a NEW COMMISSION, with the citizens of Norwalk on the committee? Was this new ethics plan just a lot of hot air? It seems that it is about time that someone starts looking for folks that are interested in being on the new ethics committee. I would assume that there are party strategists who are trying to decide if the committee will be a political plus or minus to them if it is formed before or after the election. Republicans and Democrats both should not let this linger in limbo, until it becomes an embarrassment to both parties.

    Can we expect this new commission be seated by at least 2020?

  • 2 Mike Lyons // Sep 12, 2007 at 1:30 pm

    #13 of the Miserable 25 — the new Ethics Code takes effect in November. The Council cannot legally appoint anyone to the new Ethics Board until it comes into legal existence at that time, which is why no one has been appointed yet.

    The new Code says “At the origination of the Board of Ethics after the first effective date of this article [i.e., in November, 2007], the Common Council shall appoint: (i) two members and one alternate for three-year terms, (ii) two members for two-year terms and (iii) one member and one alternate for one-year terms. All council appointments to the Board of Ethics shall require the affirmative vote of eleven (11) members of the Common Council.”

  • 3 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 12, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    Thanks Mike.

  • 4 Leon Novac // Sep 12, 2007 at 1:46 pm

    When will we be able to see a copy of the voting ballot with all the candidates on it, so it can be shown to Senior Citizens to help them understand who is running and for what?

  • 5 Joanne // Sep 12, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    Gee, lots of writing today! The lottery for the ballot is being done today and will go to the Sec of State for certification. After that it should be available. If you have any questions on how it works, please feel free to e-mail me.

  • 6 anon1234 // Sep 12, 2007 at 9:21 pm

    Arbitration award on Successor Contract-Does anyone have specifics on this contract? It seems it was rushed to arbitration after only a small amount of discussions unlike other contract negotiations. Doesn’t seem right does it? According to the papers “Private conversations with councilmen revealed many would have liked to have voted to reject the contract in order to give the firefighters increased overtime pay, but the arbitration award did not support it, Haselkamp said” By the looks of things overtime was not the only thing they objected to.

  • 7 Anonymous // Sep 12, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    Moccia wanted this contract out of the election and that’s why it got rushed into arbitration. He knows the only way he won the election in 2005 is because the fire fighters propped him up. There’s no way they back him now. So look for Mayor Briggs.

  • 8 anonymous // Sep 12, 2007 at 10:07 pm

    You have got to be kidding. Briggs is really a puppet for Alex Knopp. Moccia treated the firfighters wit more respect than Knopp ever did.

  • 9 Mr Greenpeace // Sep 13, 2007 at 2:36 am

    I’m not sure how the firefighters feel, this blog did highlight only some of the things they do good for the city , I hope they still feel they can count on us we certainly count on them..

    personally I feel they got a raw deal,I base it on other contracts I have seen accross the state and country, always seems very little is done for the families of firefighters for what they do for our families its just not right…….

  • 10 ENrwlker // Sep 13, 2007 at 9:07 am

    It was the fire-fighters’ choice to go to arbitration. Many of the topics were still negotiable, but they decided to fight over them, went to arbitration, and lost. Given that Connecticut’s arbitration panels have a history of favoring the labor unions, to lose on that many points at arbitration shows how far the firefighters over-reached. They’re good guys, but they’re grown-ups, too, and they have to live with the consequences of their decisions. I suspect that they’ll be more reasonable in the next contract negotiations, now that they know that even the arbitration panels won’t automatically give them everything they want any more.

  • 11 mattw // Sep 13, 2007 at 9:29 am

    It was the fire-fighters’ choice to go to arbitration.

    Given that Connecticut’s arbitration panels have a history of favoring the labor unions

    My word, a very limited number of people could have hammered out this little bit of fantasy….

  • 12 Leon Novac // Sep 13, 2007 at 9:33 am

    Seem that that union favoring arbitration panel also went against the NPD. I would love to see a record of their decisions which show how many times they went with the unions and how many times they went with the municipalities. Then I might believe that the unions are playing on a level playing field.

  • 13 anon again // Sep 13, 2007 at 10:52 am

    Too bad #10 that you don’t know all the facts. It was not the firefighters decision to go to arbitration, try asking the firefighters their side of the story for once. Contract negotiations don’t normally go to arbitration after 2-3 meetings they usually take more time than that. So why the hurry to get this over with?

  • 14 here we go again // Sep 13, 2007 at 10:59 am

    http://www.local830.org/index.cfm

    maybe this helps the mindset

  • 15 ANonymous // Sep 13, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    Mattw

    Arbitration panels tended to lean towards unions back in the eighties during the O”neill administration. Once weicker and rowland started making appointments, they swung against the unions

  • 16 Mr Greenpeace // Sep 13, 2007 at 6:03 pm

    http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?id=56357&sectionId=46

  • 17 Mr Greenpeace // Sep 13, 2007 at 6:06 pm

    see as a firefighter your not just cutting the grass, or picking up the trash or sweeping a corridor or tagging cars at the local market but your out there taking chances thought we all would want to see what firemen face every day, thought I’d stay in Conn for now..I trust this firefighter will be well soon my thoughts are with him.

  • 18 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 13, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    Yep! Firefighters do housework in the station house, take care of the grounds, wash their dishes, and just about everything that you do at home. Except cook a big meal sit down to eat, and then get an alarm, and have to come back re load the hose beds, clean the trucks and equipment, take a shower and if they are not too tired go back to a kitchen full of cold, stale food, and eat it like it was their last meal. You might hear one complaint that the steak is like a rock, or the pasta is like lead, but it is usually part of firehouse humor.

    Firefighting is days of extreme boredom, broken up by minutes or shear terror.

    God bless them.

  • 19 Mr Greenpeace // Sep 13, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    your so right #13

    today a Norwalk fire dept crew got to go 4 miles out to a boat fire on the open water, beyond Norwalk harbour talk about protecting the city and then some, I trust we will read about it in the Advocate in the moring they do have that nautical type of guy reporting stuff like this..

    it was the shift coming on so you figure they have what is called firehouse coffee when they get back ,stick a spoon in it and if it stands straight up its ready to drink..

    you read it here first on Turfgrrl’s blog the news fresh unlike the firefighters coffee and doughnuts

  • 20 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 13, 2007 at 7:40 pm

    “,stick a spoon in it and if it stands straight up its ready to drink..”

    Firefighters are great cooks, but their coffee ranges from Perfection to having spoiled a pot of water.

    Getting a fire like that when coming on duty is a PITA, but not as bad as having to go, when you are about 5 minutes from getting relieved by the next shift.

  • 21 anon // Sep 14, 2007 at 8:24 am

    Firefighters and police need to be treated better in this town or we will find ourselves with less and less as the years go by. Why would anyone put their lives in danger to be treated like 2nd class citizens?

  • 22 The Truth // Sep 14, 2007 at 8:40 am

    The Mayor pushed the city’s labor attorney to have the contract done by the end of august because he didnt want it to be dragged in to the election !! The Firefighters wanted the same as other union were already getting,but the cost of these issues such as time and half were too much for them to give up!!! The insurance issue that they lost was unbelievable that a 28yr old firefighter get’s burned and force to leave the job that he loved and was doing to protect people and property from fire and now he wants to get married and his new wife and any children wouldnt be covered.If the city keep taking these things away who would want to risk there life for others??? Moccia turned his back on them and so did Chief McCarthy.

  • 23 anon // Sep 14, 2007 at 8:52 am

    Exactly my point “Why would anyone put their lives in danger to be treated like 2nd class citizens”? Unless we start standing behing our firefighters we won’t have any to wory about.

  • 24 mattw // Sep 14, 2007 at 9:06 am

    I was surprised that we didn’t see a post on the fire contract here when it was announced.

  • 25 anon // Sep 14, 2007 at 9:11 am

    mattw-don’t think it was to bolster Briggs because it wasn’t. The reason there is posting now is because some of us don’t get to sit around all day and read a blog so when we go thru the weekly happenings we get to comment then. So, don’t think that this is in any way an endorsement for Briggs. It is what it is, a discussion about our firefighters who deserve our respect. The you many who is forced to retire loses everything and we call this fair?

  • 26 turfgrrl // Sep 14, 2007 at 9:13 am

    mattw: I think I mentioned it was settled in arbitration, but other than that there was nothing that I felt like writing about.
  • 27 Anonymous // Sep 14, 2007 at 9:17 am

    turf, don’t worry, mattw is looking for focal points for Mr. Briggs campaign and wants to see how much milage he can get out of this. I don’t think he was referring to you anyway, I think he was referring to fireman and others posting on your site as to why no comments. What he doesn’t realize is most people have day jobs and those firefighters who worked last night are home sleeping.

  • 28 Anonymous // Sep 14, 2007 at 9:39 am

    truth-you seem to know some of the background on this situation, care to elaborate? Why is it that everytime the firefighters and police back a candidate do they get the shaft in the end? Is there anyone the firefighters will back this time? I’m guessing not.

  • 29 The Truth // Sep 14, 2007 at 9:53 am

    My Guess would be that they wouldnt back anyone this time because they have been shafted in the past.Maybe they should back people in westport and stamford this way it doesnt bite them in the arse!

  • 30 anon1234 // Sep 14, 2007 at 10:39 am

    maeew-as someone had already mentioned, some of us work full time jobs and are not always able to jump on this site. I happen to be home today and found it interesting that you would take notice of this. There are many of us who believe that the fire dept. constantly gets the shaft and it doesn’t matter who the mayor is at the time. They always seems to get shortchanged no matter how dedicated and hard working they are. It doesn’t help when the Chief sides with the city on these things either. The fire dept. lost 9 of 10 requests and no one seems to care. What does that say? There were some council people who sincerely believed this was an unfair contract and they voiced their opinion but what can you do when you are small group amongst many? I would certainly hope that from here on in these negotiations are given ample time to play out and be negotiated in the proper length of time and not just haphazardly pushed to arbitration because its election time. That means for any sitting mayor or council and as soomeone else said this is not an endorsement for Briggs but my personal opinion and one that is shared by many. Knopp did it and Now Moccia and it will continue until things are brought out and made public.

  • 31 anon1234 // Sep 14, 2007 at 10:40 am

    oops that was mean for mattw

  • 32 AnonymousDem // Sep 14, 2007 at 10:52 am

    Turf can you put up the contract points that were decided against the fire fighters?

  • 33 Anonymous // Sep 14, 2007 at 11:07 am

    AnonymousDem-Call city hall, they are part of the minutes package. This is not a campaign issue waiting to happen, it is a fact of life in Norwalk and if Briggs uses this as a campaign issue it will only bite him in the butt because he was right next to Knopp when he pulled the same crap. Why not contact one of the union officials or call personnel for thos points you ask for. It won’t help anyone to pounce on this issue other than to hopefully help the firefighters in their quest for equal pay to other city employees.

  • 34 Anonymous // Sep 14, 2007 at 11:43 am

    You will always see the big push during election time to get the right backers and this is not a subject that should be a part of the mix. These guys have been screwed too many times and shouldn’t be expected to come out in favor of anyone.

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