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SoNo Farmers Market Threatend By Parking Fees


by turfgrrl


September 10th, 2007 · 109 Comments

In one of the most perplexing moves by the City, the Farmers market held at the Imax parking lot on North Water Street is being asked to cough up parking fees for using the lot each Wednesday afternoon during the season that runs through October. the reasoning, according to the Hour,

Mayor Richard Moccia said the farmers market is no different than any other Norwalk business whose customers pay to use the city’s metered lots.

“He lives in Trumbull and he’s making money (in Norwalk),” the mayor said, referring to Plasko. “Certainly we want the farmers market here, but, on the other hand, we have regulations. We’re charging everyone else … He can’t be the exception to the rule.”

Some film companies using city property and parking lots have paid up to $5,000 to the city, Moccia said.

Plasko said the market is the only place in Norwalk where low income families can use state WIC (Women Infants and Children) coupons for produce, and the farmers should not have to pay for parking because they provide that service.

“We’re not just any other business in Norwalk,”he said. “We take these WIC coupons and we take a loss on them.”

Plasko also said he knows of no other farmers market in the state whose farmers and customers pay for parking on town or city property.

Moccia said Norwalk is not nearly a rural area where the farmers have lots of open space to pick from.
“We’re not in Durham, Connecticut, where there’s open fields — we’re in the middle of an urban center,”he said.

The city has and still is willing to discuss an agreement with the farmer’s market, Moccia added, whether its concerning the North Water Street lot or elsewhere.

“I am willing to sit with him to talk about a situation where this can be alleviated,”he said.

Of course farmer’s markers are not like any other business. Farms in Connecticut are few and even the Governor has made it a priority in her administration to preserve farms. ““Farmers’ markets are a great way for all families to get tasty, nutritious regional produce and other food items,” Governor Rell said. “Eighteen of our farmers’ markets are now accepting Food Stamp benefit cards, meaning that it is more convenient than ever for Food Stamp recipients to shop for fresh, locally grown food.” Rell stated through a recent press release. Hosting farmers markets is one of those good community building things that brings together an opportunity for people to buy locally grown produce. It’s not an opportunity that anyone has by visiting the Super Stop N Shop or Shop Rite in Norwalk.

With the amazing amount of vacant store fronts in SoNo, you’d think the City would be sensitive to encouraging some day time activity that brings people to SoNo. You’d think the Mayor would be concerned about encouraging low income familes to have access to locally grown produce. Instead the Mayor has decided that parking fees are more important than doing the right thing for the SoNo community. Office workers in SoNo also look forward to getting fresh produce each week.

Today the Courant profiles a Celebrity Chef event aiming to bring attention to locally produced products.

“It makes so much sense to support farming in Connecticut,” said her husband, Scott. “The whole issue is buying locally.”

There is certainly an interest in buying locally, Talmage said. Shoppers support up to 100 farmers markets that operate every week this time of year. “It’s not because they can’t find food elsewhere,” he said.

Still, the local farm remains threatened.

“In a state where the population is essentially stable, we’re losing farmland faster than anyplace else in terms of percentage,” he said.

source:: The Hour, Parking dilemma could mean end of farmers market, By JEREMY SOULLIERE, September 9, 2007

source:Foodies, Down On The Farm Celebrity Chefs Turn Out To Support Local Products, by MICHAEL REGAN, September 10, 2007

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  • 1 MGeake // Sep 10, 2007 at 9:40 am

    I wanted to have all the parties in agreement before disclosing this, but I’ve been working since I first heard of this yesterday morning:

    I would like to see the Farmers Market to Ryan Park for next year. This puts them even closer to the low income folks, give the park the regular “anchor use” we need to draw people from beyond Norwalk, gives Parks & Rec a reason to start giving the park the attention it needs, and gives the police another incentive to patrol more closely.

    One problem I’m having is contact information for John Plasko to see if he’d agree.

  • 2 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 9:47 am

    Wait a minute, Plasko also ended the statement with something to the effect “We can go somewhere else and be making 5 times as much, but we chose here.”

    My suggestion is “Go There” and make 5 times as much. This getting something for nothing is getting out of hand. The mayor is right on the money when he said we are not Durham. Of all places that area is a madhouse for parking to say the least. It is all about making money and not “Goodwill” as we are expected to believe. How about Oyster Shell Park under the Thruway over pass? What Plasko wants is a choice piece of real estate to run a business on for free. Who is paying for this space? The Norwalk Taxpayer is. See if you can set up a Farmers Market for free in the center of Westport,Greenwich, Stamford or even the center of the town of DURHAM.

  • 3 turfgrrl // Sep 10, 2007 at 9:56 am

    Of course Westport has a farmers market.link here. Just like most days, the North Main street parking lot has plenty of empty spaces. Just like the Haviland deck is empty during the day.
  • 4 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 10:08 am

    Someone somewhere is paying for that Westport Farmers market space. “You never get something for nothing.” Westport does not give squat away for free. Someone is picking up the bill.

    PS

    I agree if Plasco was in it for goodwill, Ryan Park would be the prime space. It would also help keep a spotlight on that park area. I bet he says “NO” money will overcome goodwill every time.

  • 5 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 10:09 am

    Sponsored by the town’s Celebrate Westport Committee and Wholesome Wave, LLC,

    SPONSORED, FREE, “NO”

  • 6 anon // Sep 10, 2007 at 10:38 am

    Westport doesn’t charge for parking.

  • 7 Anonymous // Sep 10, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Farmers Markets are a nice amenity for citizens. If they provide an opportunity for inner city poor to get fresh produce, all the better.

    I haven’t been to Stamford’s Farmers Market in a couple years but the food was great, terrific variety and the prices reasonable.

  • 8 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 10:41 am

    If they held the Farmers market in Ryans Park, I bet Norwalk would not charge for parkking either.

  • 9 Anonymous // Sep 10, 2007 at 10:47 am

    Mayor Moccia is wrong here. Why he thinks he can get away with destroying Sono by continuing Knopp’s parking penalties is dumb.

  • 10 Mr Greenpeace // Sep 10, 2007 at 10:55 am

    bottom line is who gets hurt over this,,

    The mothers who use Wic, the homless under the bridge who get deals and the public,,not the mayor not the city.

    We just read where we are paying all kinds of money for storage taking a beaten on our tax dollar,,we are now now hearing yet to be published some one from Westport was talking to vendors at the fest about going there next year,,out of 150 or so vendors who just experienced a 25 or 35 percent decrease in attendance and a 20 percent increase in rent,,,, one would think having space for a market before it is taken away from people who need the market would be a priority.

    Ok so for the ones who want to lock horns on this one the bus ride to the market and back for some is produce simple and plain,,so what if this guy MGeake wants it kept in the same area or move it closer to where we need it I say lets do it .

    Its funny when you mention a less desirable area its not for the thousands who live there,,and for the ones who don’t want to travel down our way in South Norwalk well move to Westport,,

    Ok so I’m wrong I’m sorry to carry such a negative attitude , but when the mayor is thinking green and the people are seeing grey isn’t there a primary color or is it race coming up we can find someone for the people and not for the pr..

    I’m willing to bet sept 27th when the mayor will attend the Norwalk tree alliance we wil see positive things in Norwalk,,

    But when this year of May 5th happened the lack of photo ops with the press for the volunteers and the companies who treated my kids to tree clmbing and free food and electric bulbs probably won’t be thanked or reconized. Its for the election make this happen on the other side of town ask for RSVP and stroke the republicans while the rest of us are in South Norwalk fend for ourselves,,is this a fund raiser or a city planned event,,has the seal minus that crappy logo but has the norwalk tree alliance on the letter..why not te logo? we paid for it correct?

    Just wrote this to stirr up the nest my opinions usually don’t coincide with what I feel,

    Ok so back to the ones who won’t have an outlet to sell on,, anyone realize this years oyster fest on water street we went from 12 to 10 to 5 dollar parking on water street, one lot still full of test wells but nice enough to charge for parking.Did they pay any money to the city for income made on parking mr mayor?

    So why not the lot to sell produce net to so no seafood conveniant tax free zone and is that we are so cynical tax free products,,

    this came up last year give the vendors some place to sell,,who does this cut into what produce market do we have in South Norwalk that its going to hurt?

    what a political news item lets screw the ones who don’t vote ,,is under the bridge a district in itself?

    I wish someone would stand up and donate a lot for a day each week..city clearly need the money we still have to read the brownfield report and talk about the old police station before the election right?Money we need to spend correct,,other cities with the same brownfield grants given the same time are working on lots we are still waiting for a report correct?

    Wait to long additional money will be given to those who do and not procrastinate (spelling)?

    The former police station farmers market? or is it contaminated,,hope not it did house our men in blue for a long time,,so there can’t be anything wrong there for a market..

    just another injustice for the ones who seriously can’t afford another,,

    so lets talk fact and numbers,,this is where i ask for help I’m not good with numbers or people..

  • 11 taxpayer // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:11 am

    This is your petty mean Republicans coming through. Screw the poor, charge the farmers, call it tax cuts. I think I’ll give Briggs another look.

  • 12 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:15 am

    Hey! If they want to hold it in Ryan’s Park, more power to them. If not, then their rant about helping the underprivlidged is BS.

  • 13 customer // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:16 am

    I walk over to the market, its great. The mayor is being foolish. I’m surprised Turf is straying from the party line.

  • 14 Question // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:24 am

    Turffie, who actually takes advantage of the Farmer’s Market? Who is their demographic? Will those same people go to Ryan Park? Or is there a different and better customer base at Ryan Park? Or will they be losing their audience if they move?
    A farmer’s market is not always cheaper but is often a fresher source for healthy food choices. What do you know about their customers?

  • 15 Anonymous // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:24 am

    Another reason in the long list of reasons to vote Moccia out.

  • 16 Mr Greenpeace // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:25 am

    got your back taxpayer :)

    there are other people this hurts I only mentioned a couple, but for anyone who has to go to conn ave for some fresh produce that was picked a week ago its a adventure,,walking out your door down the street is blessing for most they are the ones i am thinking about.Not for nothing I was there one day when a church came in and know what transpired at checkout would of never happened at Stop an Shop,,the church was blessed came out a winner,,

    Its not just what the Hour reported its behind the scenes we all know what counts,someone who assists being helped such a novel way of living.

  • 17 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:27 am

    Post 10 wrote

    out of 150 or so vendors who just experienced a 25 or 35 percent decrease in attendance and a 20 percent increase in rent

    Can we wait until the REAL figures for attendance and profit come in before starting to bury this horse. What you are saying is that the Oyster Fest is wrong trying to make ends meet, at the same time you want to give the so called Farmers a free pass. In a perfect world this would fly, but in this case it does not add up to a solution that works, without someone taking a screwing. That someone is whoever would pay to park in that lot. Who is the losers the folks who pay big rents in Sono who lose those parking spaces, and the taxpayer who is in the end, no pun intended, footing the bottom line. I wonder if the Sono Market on West Ave, less than a 1/4 mile away is getting hurt by this freebie? Can they ask their landlord to give them a free pass on the rent because they supply their own parking and cater to the folks who use food stamps etc?

  • 18 sick of it // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:34 am

    Sono during the day is dead. Ask any retail store about how many people come in their stores. Anything that brings people to Washington street is a good thing. I get my lunch there. I am sick of the dumb ideas that get made that really hurt our town. This is one of them.

  • 19 Mr Greenpeace // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:38 am

    #14 I’m not sure but recently the figure was given on how many people live in Colonial village alone, then we have Meadow gardens and washingtion village and countless multiple apartments just in and around the parking lot in question.The parking is a niightmare for anyone going there,,it was suggested last year Vets park you know next to the minature golf course,,

    It has been also been said by our own elected officials the new housing in the city is still centered around the aquarium so when talking things like station five of the Norwalk fire being so busy with elderly services and emt runs in south Norwalk and where the homeless shelter also has an influx in children and the mere fact neon is also in the area that gives out services right there next to Ryan park it gives you feeling even if the other parts of the city are just as important but they not as populated with single family homes.

    I’d like to see the facts myself they now say 100,000 residents, not including others who pass through as day workers , yet again the workers are mostly from South Norwalk,,the dense population seems to have been more prominant as of lately again in South Norwalk.

  • 20 #26 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:41 am

    The Westport FM is held at the Playhouse Lot on Thursdays - a private parking lot, which the WCP offers out of community spirit. Go WCP.

    On Sundays, it’s at the Center for Senior Activities - a municipal lot that does not charge for parking.

    Perhaps there’s a private lot in SONO that would offer its space at no charge?

    “There is no FREE lunch”

  • 21 Anonymous // Sep 10, 2007 at 11:50 am

    this is a no brainer and the mayor, despite this misstep, will undoubtedly come around to the fact that this is an easy situation to fix. Ryans Park, Vets Park, Haviland Lot, Maritime Lot, Webster Lot, City Hall for goodness sake! - doesn’t matter where but Farmers markets are a good thing!

  • 22 Mr Greenpeace // Sep 10, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    #13 point taken, please don’t take my comments and make it sund like I ranked on the oyster fest, so called farmers was one of yours but its free speech you exercised yours ,,

    I didn’t know the market was going to stay there , the way bulding is going on and land going up $$ I would of figured that was part of a new highrise..suppose the pharmacy going in accross the street from Sono Market should be restricted to sell groceries also.

    Hurt by this freebie, the vendors in the city know the deal, the parking has always been a problem hasn’t it?
    Why would any business man sign a long term lease in an area that has so mnay changes coming,,most are now on a tennant at will basis becuase of the chaos that has been seen in downtown sono in recent years.

    .why a long term lease next to a vacant building for years its not prudent business move is it?

    The store fronts the empty store fronts there are plenty of them water street is now thinning again its that time of year,,

    I agree downtown sono needs a boost but truth is ever think of all the resturants who buy at the market once a week? figure they get the same break from Sono market?

    Farmers market yes one gets hurt but many get helped,,in this city many get hurt and one gets help take your pick, argue that one..

    We can wait for the real numbers, but which news outlet are we going to read it in first?

    If you went to the oyster fest with someone who has not missed one in thirty years I suppose their take could be far from reality being a vendor there for that long only gives me the impression he knew more than I or anyone else i know.

    He certainly is the real deal after all these years.

  • 23 Anonymous // Sep 10, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    Taxpayer, that was a really dumb statement. Lets hear what you have to say when the fees in the lot go up again to accomodate the lack of available spaces due to a farmers market that is paying no fee! I agree that Ryan’s Park would be a perfect venue for the flee market. The kids would benefit from a healthy choice of fruits and vegetables and Ryan Park could flourish

  • 24 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 12:15 pm

    Ryans Park, and City Hall in the mostly unused track area. The key is still Ryans Park. These are the areas that need new ideas to make them popular areas to go to for a change. Right #15 THIS IS THE MOST INPORTANT REASON to vote Moccia out. Boy! talk about grasping at straws. I bet you even think that the WTC disaster was caused by the CIA. On the other hand it was Moccia’s fault vote him out for that also. LAME. Lets take a poll on the hour website.

    What are the most important thinks you want a mayor that will make you vote for him;

    Keep taxes under control

    Put a leash on the BOE

    Increase the NPD and FD strength

    Try to reduce crime

    (50 more items SNIP)

    A farmers market in Norwalk or get voted out.

  • 25 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 12:23 pm

    The mayor should go to the neighborhoods around Ryan’s Park and take a survey with the residents to get their opinions on if they WOULD OR WOULD NOT welcome the Farmers Market in Ryan’s Park. PS have a reporter along just to verify the results. The offer the option to Mr. Plasco and see just what his true colors are. If he refuses then bill him for the Sono parking. If he accepts then arrange for free parking if necessary. PRETTY SIMPLE.

  • 26 Anonymous // Sep 10, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    #13 of the-Global Warming, hurricanes and tornado’s and all such matters are the Mayor’s fault…damn, throw the bum out! LOL

  • 27 Mike Soccia // Sep 10, 2007 at 12:36 pm

    We were asked by a Sono establishment if we would like to start a bike night a their place next season. They would experience a large increase in business that night. They could expect 20-150 extra folks for dinner etc. In fact all of the Sono area would have increased business on a night in the middle of the week which would normally have minimal business. PROBLEM? NO PARKING. If we could get free parking we could guarantee bringing at least a couple of thousand bucks to the Sono area that night. You have to have on site parking for motorcycles.

    So lets not give away space with such abandon to those unwilling to pay. They are not giving the stuff away free to the needy.

  • 28 here we go again // Sep 10, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    find a reporter,,forget it he never used them during his term, he never answers any calls for facts after a story

    give the mayor a map he needs one of the area, get one on Norwalk

    try and reduce crime, low fat laws, exercise equipment for the fire dept not the police.

    Increase NFD NFD what by 2?

    the fire is submitting their own grant for men local 830 not the mayor or his office

    the police are havn’t filled their 2005 stats have they?

    Taxes under control hide overuns and unexpected expenses until after the election, forget the stack of bills in the corner..

    I guess what everyone is saying his tough talk has insulted the rest of us on this one, no sense in bailing himself out he has not many friends on his speed dail in his office..

    market helped out the local resturants? why would owners go and send their dishwashers over to the market and save money time and get fresh produce and deals how absurd was that statement?

    how many food places are there can’t more than what 3 or four eateries in that area?

    What about the elderly , the poor , the homeless ? grow up get a life and vote for Dick

  • 29 #13 of the Miserable 25 // Sep 10, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    Gee, I guess all those vegitable and provision trucks I see making daily deliverys to the front and back doors of the Sono Merchants are delivering old produce, scraped up from farmers markets around the East Coast. Without a famers market I guess they would all have to close their doors due to not being able to get fresh produce like the other 99.999999% of the eating establishments in the country.

    Lets get something straight. I am not against a Farmers Market. I AM against someone using city property for making a profit then not paying their dues. If their hearts are really in the right place then Ryans Park should have them jumping at the chance. Anyone who tells you they are running a business that is losing money if it has to pay for space, had better find another business. I would expect all those folks who lease space in Norwalk should take note. Want some prime real estate for free, just re name your business, MIRCOSOFT Farmers Markets LLC, INC, LTD, INTERNATIONAL.

  • 30 Anonymous // Sep 10, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    #28-your comments are absurd! Apparently you are working on someone’s campaign and have nothing better to do with your time. You may want to wander down to SONO and see how many eateries are actually there. The point that the farmers market is giving away NOTHING for free to the low income people is true. But yet, when the low income people pay their taxes they are paying for the free space as well as anyone else. Come on, find a better topic because you obviously have never heard of the saying “Nothing in this life is fee!” If you go to any other town and wish to hold a flea mrket, farmers market etc. There are permits to be paid for, space to be rented etc. Do you really think it comes with no strings attached? Why should Norwalk foot the bill for those not paying their fair share of the costs? Everyone here complains about the high price of living in Norwalk, well perhaps if we stop being the handout capital of the county we won’t find ourselves complaining as much. Why shouldn’t these people pay their fair share. Perhaps next year the Oyster Festival and its vendors should be allowed to take over Vets Park for free! Maybe the residents of East Norwalk should give up their driveways and front yards for parking while we’re at it then there won’t be a need for buses. get real we live in a world where everything costs money.

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