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Norwalk: New Teeth For Demolition of Historic Properties


by turfgrrl


August 9th, 2007 · 88 Comments

Some would say the current Norwalk ordinance have no teeth, but a review of the types of things that could make it a really bad thing for someone to tear down a piece of history, it might do us some good to examine what can be done. So from the National Preservation Trust’s website:

How are Demolition Review Ordinances Enforced?
Experience has shown that historic buildings will be demolished, without regard to pro-
tections against demolition, if the ramifications for non-compliance are minor or insignifi-
cant. Accordingly, communities generally seek to establish penalties that will, in fact, dis-
courage violations from occurring. Commonly used penalties, for example, include the impo-
sition of significant fines for each day of the offense, and the preclusion of a permit to de-
velop or occupy the property for specific period of time.
In New Castle County, Delaware, the county attorney is authorized by ordinance “to
take immediate action prosecute those responsible” for the demolition of structures deter-
mined to have historic significance prior to the issuance of a demolition permit. In addition,
building permits for the parcel affected may be withheld for a period of one to three years.
Violators of the demolition ordinance in Monroe, Connecticut, may be subject to a fine
amounting to the greater of one thousand dollars or the assessed value of the property for
each violation. In Highland Park, Illinois, a person who violates the demolition review ordi-
nance may be assessed a fine equal to “90 percent of the fair market value of the cost of the
replacement of such regulated structure.”
Newton, Massachusetts, authorizes the imposition of a $300 fine and two year ban on
the issuance of a building permit against anyone who demolishes a historically significant
building or structure without first obtaining and fully complying with the provisions of a
demolition permit issued in accordance with its demolition review ordinance. However, a
waiver on the building permit ban may be obtained in instances where reuse of the property
would “substantially benefit the neighborhood and provide compensation for the loss of the
historic elements of the property” either through reconstruction of the lost elements or sig-
nificant enhancement of the remaining elements. As a condition to obtaining the waiver,
however, the owner must execute a binding agreement to ensure that the terms agreed to are
met.

Monroe certainly seems a much closer than Masschusetts, so a look at their demolition delay (passed in 2003) shows us that indeed:

E. Demolition of a structure without a permit shall subject the violator to all applicable
penalties under the law, including a fine of the greater of One Thousand ($1,000.00)
Dollars or the assessed value of the property demolished for each violation.

I kinda like the redundancy of this too:

The applicant shall mail such notice, by certified mail, with postal receipts provided
to the Building Inspector for incorporation into the applicant’s file, within seven (7)
days of filing, to the Historic District Commission, Town Historian and the Monroe
Historical Society.

Norwalk’s Demolition delay ordinance says this:

(2) Mail copies of such notice to the owners of all properties adjoining the property on which the structure to be demolished is situated.
(3)Mail copies of the notice to the Norwalk Historical Commission Executive Director of Planning and Zoning and any individual, firm, corporation, organization or other entity which has requested, in writing, from the Chief Building Official, copies of any such notices filed pursuant to this chapter.

And Norwalk’s fine is $100. It seems that Norwalk could have done better in March of 2003, but back then it was one party rule of the Mayor’s office and the Common Council, so clearly it was impossible to have put teeth into the demolition ordinance back then.

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  • 1 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    Whoops, I am usually a supporter of the Knopp admin but this is a major pooch-screw in terms of letting down the community with regard to protecting historical properties. How on earth can anyone expect a $100 fine to stop a developer with millions in profits at stake?

  • 2 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    There should be substantial fines for anyone who chooses to defy the regulations. It is truly unfortunate the former administration and council did not take the situation more critical or the $100 fine would have been much higher and we wouldn’t be addressing this situation now.

  • 3 indiga // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    Teh fines and lenght of delay are set by State enabling legislation. At the time, Knopp’s administration enacted the maximum allowed by CT statute. Since then, Bob Duff (working with local preservationists)has worked to get legislation passed that allows a municipality to extend the demolition delay to 180 days. The ordinance committee could certainly take up the 90 day delay and extend it based on the new state statute. I believe fines and penalties are still the same, however.

  • 4 turfgrrl // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    Indiga: The Monroe, CT ordinance was also passed in 2003 with the fines as posted above. Clearly someone gave someone bad advice. The time extension might help, but real fines and a more effective noticing and assessment of what is a historical property and what should be reviewed would be time better spent.
  • 5 anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    What happens if it burns down ny accident?

  • 6 Vet Park Junkie // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    While looking for the March 2003 ordinance on the city website, I stumbled across this. What is it? It seems to have the ordinance in it starting on Page 27. Once again, I’m wandering into world of legislation.

    http://www.norwalkct.org/mayor/MayorHistoricPresv.pdf

    Turfgrrl, compared to the above, the ordinance sure looks toofless. The one item that caught my concerned interest is on page 28, Section 55-4. Looks like an possible section for abuse. Anyone, I’d be interested to know if I’m reading it correctly.

    The rest of the document is an interesting read. PLEASE. This is not a Soo thread! Kindly utilize an an open thread.

  • 7 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    #5 - Is that you, Chris Handrinos? Guess “vandalism” isn’t enough. Should we have the Fire Dept. on standby for you?

  • 8 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    Monetary fines would most definately deter people from not following the rules. If they have to go back and request more money for a project because they failed to or chose not to follow rules they would most definately be left out of future projects and eventually would find themselves in financial difficulties. I believe the city needs to look at the maximum allowable fines and put them in place. I am sure the standards are higher now. The 190 day rule is good to an extent in as much as the project is halted until such time as all t’s are crossed and i’s are dotted but to impose hefty fines on those who choose not to comply would send a more permanent message.

  • 9 anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:24 pm

    Is something historic just cuz it is really old or does a major historical event need to have occurred at that location?

  • 10 turfgrrl // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    Vet Park Junkie: page 28, Section 55-4 could be abused, but you have to have a provision to deal with buildings that are unsafe. Most legislation requires constant revisiting to see whether it has intended results or unintended consequences. Clearly not levying a significant fine, which even the CT chapter of Preservation Trust recommends, is an issue. It looks like from the national chapter there’s some good work flow to determine what is a potential historic structure worth saving versus not, which should be adopted too.
  • 11 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    #9-that would mean half the people on this blog would be considered historic

  • 12 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    Well, if there’s a house that was built in 1700 and nothing major occurred there, I would say that’s historic.

  • 13 turfgrrl // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    anonymous: There’s criteria that needs to be met in order to qualify as a historic structure. I’m not sure if Norwalk has codified what that criteria is, but it seems to make sense that it should be so that it reduces any ambiguities or confusion.

    From the National Preservation Trust site:

    In Boston, the Inspectional Services Department must transmit a copy of an application for a permit to demolish a building to the Boston Landmarks Commission within three days. The commission staff, in return, must make a determination within 10 days as to whether the building is (1) subject to review and (2) significant under specific criteria. If the property is determined not to be significant, then no further review is required. If the property is significant, the commission must hold a public hearing to determine whether the building should be subject to demolition delay. A decision on whether to delay the permit must be
    made within 40 days from the date the demolition permit application was initially filed.

    To invoke the delay period, the commission must find that, in considering the public interest, it is preferable that the building be preserved or rehabilitated rather than demolished. Factors for consideration include: (a) the building’s historic, architectural, and urban design significance; (b) whether the building is one of the last remaining examples of its kind in the neighborhood, the city, or the region; and (c) the building’s condition. If the commission finds that the building is subject to demolition delay, issuance of the demolition permit may be delayed for up to 90 days from the close of the public hearing. A “Determination of No
    Feasible Alternative” may be issued during the public hearing or prior to the expiration of the 90-day period if the commission finds that there are no feasible alternatives to demolition.

  • 14 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    #10- I haven’t checked out the “unsafe” section you’re referring to, but I’ll bet you that’s where 93 East Avenue is headed given the suspicious amount of deterioration that has occurred over the past year.

  • 15 anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    I would hope that some historic event would have to happen there.

  • 16 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    So if a house that’s 350 years old still is standing and is the only example or one of the few examples of its kind left, that isn’t enough to save it by your standards?

  • 17 indiga // Aug 9, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    I would love to be enlightened about how Monroe managed such strong “teeth”. I don’t see it as supported by CT statute but I could be wrong. Here’s the link.

    http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/pub/Chap541.htm#Sec29-406.htm

  • 18 turfgrrl // Aug 9, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    indiga: I don’t think you need a state statute in order to levy a fee or fine, unless one expressly exists that defines one. But then I’m not a lawyer, so any of those critters can jump in on this. Clearly Monroe did enact the legislation with the fine, and I think Wilton too has some teethy fine imposition too.
  • 19 indiga // Aug 9, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    I recall the HC bringing a 6 month demoltion moratorium on hsitoric sturctures (with clear definitions of what was historic and the data to support CT benchmark cases to support the legality of the moratorium) to the Ordinance COmmittee and being blown off. Coffey stalled it from Novemebr to March of 2006 and then “hot potatoed” it to the Zoning Commission where it died out of neglect. TG, I doubt it even made it onto the agenda of Zoning.

    I guess the current HC can’t resurrect it because the Mayor has decreed that they can’t even THINK about privately owned historic properties. This was right after the HC held a public hearing for 93 East Avenue and one for the Seligson owned houses on Maple Street. Must just be a coincidence….

  • 20 indiga // Aug 9, 2007 at 6:10 pm

    OK you lawyers…what’s the scoop on municipalities levying fines? You can bill TG for your services….NPT is already deep in the hole for legal fees re 93 East Avenue.

  • 21 anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    Maybe if it was 350 years old and unaltered, but most buildings that old have been significantly altered over time. With technology available today, you can fully document the historical structure through blueprints, CAD and photos. If someone wants to pay to save it, you can even move it and rebuild it. I would think that it should have some significance other than the structure itself before you infringe on the rights of a property owner to do as he wishes.

  • 22 turfgrrl // Aug 9, 2007 at 6:30 pm

    indiga: A demolition delay is not something the ZC would look at. Our regs don’t cover demolitions, so you’re right I don’t remember seeing anything about that. Since its an ordinance change you would have to go through that committee of the common council or from the building permit department staff.
  • 23 Anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    Seems to me that the City infringes on property owners’ rights all the time. It’s called “Zoning.”

  • 24 anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Guess you have to pull out all the plumbing, heating, air conditioning, oven and stove, and light fixtures if you are going to keep it historic.

  • 25 indiga // Aug 9, 2007 at 7:04 pm

    #24…gee, I didn’t see that in the Natonal Trust’s definition of historic. Must be in the “Complete Idiot’s Guide” version…

  • 26 Mr Greenpeace // Aug 9, 2007 at 7:10 pm

    I would be the last to create any prblems or start any rumor but , Fodor farm on Flax hill road has a excavator in the drivewy next to the house,,all I could do is laugh and wonder if that house is next?

    I didn’t see any demolitian notice but from what I can see you realy don’t need one anymore, so if your concened about East Ave well it looks like the same thing is about to happen on Flax Hill at the lights..

    of course there is an explanation but a picture would be worth a laugh….

  • 27 anonymous // Aug 9, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    If you are going to have an example of historic, you might as go all the way. Candles, outhouse, fireplace and hearth. No post 1700 amenities in this preservationist house.

  • 28 Norwalker // Aug 9, 2007 at 8:56 pm

    They are pulling the underground tanks at Fodor Farm.
    I also believe the city charter only allows ordinance fines to be a max of $99.

  • 29 Mr Greenpeace // Aug 9, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    wow thanks for the tip #28 anyone with any pull in the city , have me over to the farm to make sure its done right I’m sure all the pro’s have been brought in. I assume the job has been done? Of course no one would start tommorrow when its raining would they?

    Anyone know what company is involved I did see an unmarked case excavator in the driveway…

  • 30 Norwalker // Aug 9, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    Depends how hard it’s raining.

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