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Norwalk: Muggy Monday Open Thread


by turfgrrl


August 6th, 2007 · 11 Comments

Commuter surcharges, police over time, and the kafkaesque immigration spotlight are the stories in the newspapers. Yesterday’s SoNo arts festival saw many more people out and about than Saturday, which goes to show you the impact of weather. Greater Hartford towns are battling with a regional sewer budget proposal that is stalemated over minority set asides. I snip a few highlights:

“The MDC is preparing to undertake a massive project designed to fix problems with the region’s antiquated and overextended sewers that send sewage into rivers and basements when it rains hard,” reports The Courant.

And then there’s this gem:

“A bill before the legislature last session would have authorized a surcharge to help finance the 15-year upgrade project by spreading the cost among the district’s water users. Without it, the price tag would land hard on the municipal budgets of the MDC’s eight member towns.”

So we have antiquated sewer systems upstate that do the same thing during rain storms that we have here in Norwalk, and yet there’s a regional body that exists there, which has its own way of prying money from the state.

Let me put that in context for you, we, as in the tax payers of Fairfield County, pay more state taxes than any other county, yet instead of our tax money coming back to fix our sewer systems, they will go to Hartford area towns.

With flooding in Westport, Fairfield, Darien and Stamford, you’d think that some municipal sewer departments would get their noggins together and figure out a regional allocation approach to lessen the impact of municipal budgets down here too.

The comments are all yours to tackle the issues you want to talk about.

Tags: In the News · Norwalk

11 Responses so far “Norwalk: Muggy Monday Open Thread”



  • 1 MGeake // Aug 6, 2007 at 8:44 am

    I’m not sure I read this the same way you did. I read “by spreading the cost among the district’s water users” as just another clever way to tax the same people without actually calling it a tax. Unless “the district’s water users” are different from the district’s sewer users.

  • 2 turfgrrl // Aug 6, 2007 at 9:10 am

    MGeake: If it were just to get user fees they wouldn’t need the legislature to get bonding funds for the fixes.
  • 3 MGeake // Aug 6, 2007 at 9:36 am

    All the article said was a surcharge for the water users. I’m not sure why the legislature had to be involved at all, but I haven’t read the MDC’s charter and don’t have time — while here at work — to find that legislation.

    Why was the legislature involved?

  • 4 turfgrrl // Aug 6, 2007 at 9:49 am

    MGeake: The opening grafs The talks - between officials from the Metropolitan District Commission, the region’s sewer authority, and Hartford legislators - revolved around how much of the work would go to minority contractors.

    The MDC was looking to the legislature to approve a new formula to help finance the sewer upgrade, but Hartford lawmakers Sen. Eric Coleman and state Rep. Art Feltman wanted to make sure that the project included work for minority contractors.

    Now I could be reading it wrong, and they are not in fact getting state money, but generally when you are negotiating with legislators ….

  • 5 confused // Aug 6, 2007 at 10:08 am

    Since it is sb open forum, I was wondering about the cars with Norwalk parking authority markings. They are giving it parking tickets in Norwalk, but they have new jersey license plates on them. Are these laz vehicles being used in Norwalk without paying taxes?

  • 6 MGeake // Aug 6, 2007 at 10:15 am

    I did take time to pull up the MDC Charter and the proposed legislation.

    The MDC does have the powers of a governmental body, including bonding. As near as I can tell, all the legislation was doing was empowering them to place a surcharge on the water to pay for the improvements.

    It’s not clear to me why this was necessary. The Second Taxing District’s filtration plant upgrade was financed by borrowing against future water revenues, with our taxing authority pledged as collateral against a shortfall. Unless it has something to do with there being multiple municipalities involved (I haven’t read the whole charter yet), the MDC also has taxing authority (SEC. 1-2f).

  • 7 Mr Greenpeace // Aug 6, 2007 at 10:27 am

    I see John Nickerson has written a great story about overtime, manpower, notes police member numbers he was even able to even get a graph and picture in, about time the Advocate realized what the city residents needed to understand some of the workings of our police dept other than a good reporter.The last article detailing illegals was yet another milestone for reporting by the news papers Fairfield county holding top numbers for the state.

    Now its our job to look at the numbers, look at the crime rate understand how things are being run and simply ask for an audit, it was reported at last 4 or 5 in the last 12 years while the chief has been here,,when was the last?

    Now armed with some numbers can we now ask some serious questions, read through the PR and the concern the mayor and the chief have for the budget and focus on what the residents need and will need for a city of 100,00 ( this number is not from the census its been confirmed its what the EPA now uses for Norwalk?)

    The last police dept thread started out detailing the chief but quickly threw stones at everyone but the chief, ended up attacking posters themselves and ripping apart a former member..while making it easy to remove the subject itself and replace it with BS something we are use to in Norwalk.

    I would simply ask where everyone out here does so well with numbers would take the time at least once to work the numbers we have been given in the Advocate today and look at the part of this poice budget and comment on it as if it effected the tax rate or could cut into public service.

    I was wrong real wrong only 161 not 188 and does this include the 17 or so others on the dept that do not do street work, or does this include traffic enforcment,,do we have meter maids? I don’t know who,, does?

    So looking at the numbers and the population and the police dept roll call do we need to now look at this before election day or simply take for granted we are all set because the chief and the mayor did a great spin.

    wasn’t it the Advocate reporting last week another attempted armed holdup on Ely where the gun was recovered, and the bank robberies were reported to be the hiighest in a long time running for crime in the area? How does that offset the statement that shows the a drop in voilent crime ect in the article today..a lot can happen in four months, the shootings in the past were in Sept, Oct, Nov, and Dec wern’t they?

    It was a great spin by the police dept, a great article by the Advocate ow its our turn,,lets see the number junkies come out for this one…

    I was impressed with the events here in the city, seems downtowm SoNo merchants are able to put on a great show and maintain a well run event. I’m glad they had the weather with them,,compliments to them all including all from the city as well.

  • 8 confused // Aug 6, 2007 at 10:38 am

    Every year the police department asks for special appropriations due to overtime costs. The following year, the budget does not reflect the actual expenses from the previous year. When will the city set a budget for actual expected expenses instead of underestimating expenses and go through this process year after year?

  • 9 Conservatively Speaking // Aug 6, 2007 at 12:04 pm

    The police force is undrstaffed. Rilling has done nothing about that.

  • 10 bendebear // Aug 7, 2007 at 9:18 am

    The chief lives with the money he is allocated. Don’t blame him for understaffing.
    Seeing as how this is an open post I have a question for any and all. Is anyone been having trouble reading the print in The Hour for the past week or so?

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