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Norwalk: Vets Park Amphitheater Proposal Draws Opposition


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July 19th, 2007 · 12 Comments

Looks like residents against Ampitheaters at Vets Park is gaining steam. Last night’s Parks and Recs meeting turned to noise complaints although that wasn’t on the agenda. From The Hour:

For East Norwalkers with fresh memories of what some called “unreasonably loud” music generated by Sunday’s Colombian independence festival, last night’s discussion about the possible construction of an amphitheater at Veterans Memorial Park was a particularly timely issue.

Debbie Ross, a Seaview Avenue resident, said she thinks festival noise — private groups obtaining special permits are exempt from city noise ordinances — will persist if an amphitheater is built.
“It would probably make it worse. We’d have more concerts of different varieties and if you don’t have a decibel level for how loud you can make it…,” Ross said at Wednesday night’s Recreation, Parks and Cultural Affairs Council Committee meeting.

Committee members, who gathered to hear several items including a summary of a report investigating the viability of the amphitheater, and the payment of fees rendered by Project Development Advisor Diana Harrington, continually reminded members of the public that discussion was limited to the items on the agenda.


Attending residents said they were upset not only by the noise, but by discussion of the amphitheater component when no updated master plan exists for Veterans Park.

This amounts, some said, to “putting the cart before the horse.”

“The (area) is being subjected to this haphazard pattern of development that is inevitably going to infringe on the rights of the people surrounding the park,” Ed Pulice, Save Veterans Park Association founding member, said in an interview.

In May, a proposed miniature golf course slated for the area was killed by the mayor following neighborhood opposition to the idea, sparking conversation about whether a master plan is needed.

Last night Mocciae said funds left over from Cranbury Park construction could see the Veterans Park master plan — last created in 1984, and updated periodically since — reinvented this spring.

Many residents at the meeting voiced opposition to executing a viability study — which cost $36,000 — before a noise or environmental study was done.

Mocciae said the purpose of the study was to determine the feasibility of the $1 million project, and said it was a necessary step before concrete facts could be gathered and meaningful opinions formed.

source:: The Hour, Committee mulls park amphitheater, By AMANDA PINTO, July 19 2007

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12 Responses so far “Norwalk: Vets Park Amphitheater Proposal Draws Opposition”



  • 1 Edward Levine // Jul 19, 2007 at 9:09 am

    This city is so bass ackwards it defies the imagination. There is no current survey map of Veterans Park, there is no Master Plan, yet this priceless gem of a park seems to be the bull’s eye for this administration to rape and pillage.
    Would any commercial developer such as those involved in Reed Putnam, start to build on property before they surveyed it? Would they start to build before taking core samples? Norwalk has no idea of the size of Veterans Park at mean low water or mean high water. They might be hard pressed to even give you the measurements of that park as it sits today. Without a map someone could set up a business on the shore of the park and the city would not know if they were on Veterans Park city property on within the Federal law by being below the mean low water mark. Putting the cart before the horse seems to be standard procedure for Norwalk.

    Veterans Park is a beautiful shorefront park that any city on the coast of the United States would give their right arm for, and this city uses it like a truck stop and commercial interstate parking lot. It has now come out that the city has 36 thousand taxpayers’ dollars to pay for a “FEASIBILITY STUDY” of the Amphitheater in that park. The city cannot seem to come up with any ideas on how to solve the ever growing bus parking problem, the noise problem, and are always crying on how they don’t have enough money for that park. The road to Hell is lined with the dead bodies of “Feasibility Studies.” Then we find that this Amphitheater will cost about ONE MILLION DOLLARS. This is not going to be a small inconspicuous concert shell; this is going to be a monster. We heard the same thing about the Miniature Golf Course from Parks & Recreation. The golf course will be TASTEFULLY DONE, NOT BLOCK VIEWS, AND INCONSPICUOUS.
    It is not too comforting to see that this is another assault on this park and an effort to chop it to pieces without any plan whatsoever. It will be interesting to find out just who the corporate sponsors of this amphitheater will be. Then we can let them know that they are getting into problems that they have no conception of. Those problems include the fact that environmental hazard studies need to be done on that park to see if the ground is contaminated, the deed restriction have not yet been appealed, and the fierce fight that they will surely face in the public eye. That thirty six thousand dollars would have been better spent trying to for once putting the horse before the cart. If you think Klondike Park got out of hand, you have not seen anything yet.

  • 2 Anonymous // Jul 19, 2007 at 9:14 am

    This city can’t pick its nose without getting a feasibility study. Of course, all that money gets paid by the City to out-of-town consultants, so none of it directly benefits Norwalk business.

  • 3 Ralph Gilford // Jul 19, 2007 at 11:20 am

    Would the city consider the option of paying 36 residents in the area of Veterans Park to do a feasibility study on the feasibility study. They would except $1000 each. THEIR FEASIBILITY STUDY YOU COULD TAKE TO THE BANK. At least the money would be spread around to city residents, and not out of towners.

  • 4 nwlknative // Jul 19, 2007 at 11:27 am

    Posts 1 & 2 - Couldn’t agree with both of you more. I don’t understand why the park can’t be left alone. Why can’t we just have “a park”. By the way, what ever happened to the ampitheater that was supposed to be a part of Oyster Shell Park? Wasn’t there a feasibility study done on that one also - at taxpayer’s expense? It is about time the city finished one project before barging ahead with another.

  • 5 norwalkerTOtheCore // Jul 19, 2007 at 12:17 pm

    I concur with all the above remarks. I was at last night’s meeting…. Mike M was hard pressed to explain where the funds came from to pay for Ms Harrington’s study….
    And now for the (logic??) :

    It went something like we need to spend money to see if there is interest such as ours and ours alone and maybe funds to pay for the amphitheater that…well we are not sure anyone but this committee wants…but it will control the noise…(as though the Colombians had no volume control knobs on their amps…and we know you guys don’t like noise (through the meatheads a bone!)…so we hired this lady to tell us how pretty she can make this million dollar shell that CAN control noise…who she can find to hang their shingle on it and pay for it.. and who else thinks it is really needed, even though we already have decided it is needed and well screw the rest of you in E Norwalk. It aint your town anyway. It is ours. Get that through your heads! .Screw all of you who don’t think it is needed or it will be an eyesore that will invite hordes of cars, noise, pollution congestion..etc.. and yes there is and there isn’t a master plan.. It depends on what your definition of “is” is. Well there is a master plan but not a revised master plan…and maybe with enough pressure and embarrasing the commmittee we’ll invite you to an unveiling of the revised master plan into which you all will have enormous input after we get more 36K studies to show all of you what we are going to do and then get your input (ha ha) ..and if you don’t like it…well that is too bad. How dare you challenge the conclusions of all these expensive feasibility studies, you Neantherthals! ..we’ll just do another feasibility study, if these don’t convince you…and no, we can’t do rational things like test the soil or do engineering, traffic, sewage, flood, environmental, contiguous wetland studies…because well all the money went on the enthusiasm studies…and god forbid what those eggheads might tell us..!!

    Then came the presentation of the 36K study: Lovely lady Ms H was. She spent almost as much time with the facts (read: conclusion) of her presentation as she did justifying her enormous fee. “Well, she exclaimed with frothy ebullience, I feel so strongly that this amphitheater is a great idea, that I would do this study out of my own time and funds…but life is tough, times are bad and okay I’ll take the dough..Please fork it over..and I mean now! .Oh yes, the study:

    “Well I went around to all these wonderful fun-loving artsy folks and gushingly asked,” I am so enthusiastic about this great new amphitheater in Vets Park and you all do such a wonderful show….What do you think about having a venue for you art?” … ” And you know what? They said it was a great idea..” And so the report went. And we can make it real pretty, make it fit right into the Park ambience so you won’t even want to see the Harbor, it will be sooo pretty..you’ll just be transfixed with its compatibility with the “natural environment (or whatever you granola kooks call it)”
    “Thank you. Place the 36K in this pocket , please..and HELL NO I don’t take questions. I am forbidden to talk to any of YOU (even though you paid me)”

    Well Mikey M and the committee were blown away by the brilliance of the report and the lovely lady who contributed so charitably of her time……

    They even paused a moment to catch their breath at the great revelation that they needed…no they lusted this amphitheater in the park…and who could challenge it??.. “No comments please..That is not the point of this meeting……”

    These guys would hire a painter and pay the guy before the house is even zoning approved.

  • 6 Ralph Gilford // Jul 19, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    Yeah! What norwalkerTOtheCore said. I second it.

  • 7 John Second // Jul 19, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    Today 9 tractor trailer drivers were told that they can park in Veterans park. Their plates are Interstate Commercial as are the motorcoachs allowed to park there. One driver stated it would be a great place to lay over and sleep from 9-9 daily. They also note that they will be able to leave their rigs running to let the air conditioning work.

    The drivers expect at least 100 fellow drivers will be notified by CB radio.

  • 8 nwlknative // Jul 19, 2007 at 10:06 pm

    Where are they getting this information from? Who is sending these trucks, busses, motorcoaches, etc. to Veteran’s Park? Maybe there should be a gate keeper checking Norwalk stickers (like at the beach) so that this doesn’t happen. Someone should be held accountable. Sounds like the parking lot at Andrews Field. All types of storage boxes, trucks, busses, etc. show up there and no one seems to be watching or care. Semi’s and buses up and down County Street and Strawberry Hill all hours of the night. Who is in charge? This certainly wouldn’t happen in Darien or Westport - why in Norwalk?

  • 9 Anonymous // Jul 20, 2007 at 6:55 am

    Anything from the R’s about Veterans’ Park issues during their lovefest last night? Can we count on them to ignore this during the upcoming campaign?

  • 10 Lee Corman "Teamsters Union" // Jul 20, 2007 at 9:30 am

    post #8
    “Where are they getting this information from? Who is sending these trucks, busses, Motorcoaches” It is NO SECRET that the Maritime Aquarium is sending the Interstate Motorcoaches and buses of all types to Vets Park as their private parking lot. If it is legal to park out of town interstate plated vehicles in that park, you don’t need a beach sticker to park there. All you have to do is come up with $5. If this ever gets out to the Interstate Truckers or the Teamsters Union, the s–t will really hit the fan. You cannot let one in without letting the other in. Especially if the Teamsters decide to fight it.

    Somebody better wake up quick and find parking outside of the Park before it is too late.

    DEVELOPMENT,DEVELOPMENT,DEVELOPMENT = NO THOUGHT OF FUTURE BUS PARKING.

  • 11 Mr Greenpeace // Jul 20, 2007 at 11:32 pm

    I guess while everyone is drawing pictures about what could happen or what could be at the park, realize it would take one truck to drop about 150 gallons of fuel overnight leave in the morning and it would cost the city around $10,000 to clean up, the trucks can average 300 to 400 gallons each, or a tanker dropping about 25 gallons of caustics and creating the same bill in a storm drain..this is what happens if you allow anyone to park there,,what would it take a broken police cruiser to block the entrance at night?

    The state of Ct has a poor track record of accomodating truck drivers on rt 95,,very little respect for the teamsters when it comes to comfort on our highways,,I have to admit though 100 miles north there is a rest area when coming into Ct that has to be the best stop for anyone from family to trucker only problem is the only one with that much credit on the entire RT95 south bound side..

    enthusiasm studies………. NorwalkerTotheCore….. has to be one of the finest most detailed ways of explaining some of the studies I have ever heard described anywhere,,if you don’t mind I would like to use that again someday,my compliments

  • 12 gfaux // Jul 22, 2007 at 9:47 pm

    please it’s all about money if they can get 10 shows at say $7,000 a show and they spend $1000 of the our taxes they made $7000. for rec. and park to use as they see fit and not the poeple of this town. rec. and parks rules with smoke and mirrors ideas if we did’t stop the golf they will get there long island sound system this way they can blast all of norwalk with their ideas WE NEED ALL THE PARKS TO HAVE MASTER PLANS!!!

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