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Norwalk: Affordable Housing Plans Leads To Fight


by turfgrrl


July 18th, 2007 · 45 Comments

Without even reading beyond the first paragraph of the Hour’s report I knew I could guess who were the council members who were involved in the verbal smackdown that stemmed from the banal topic of affordable housing. I guessed Matt Miklave and Mike Coffey were at it again, but it turned out to be Matt Miklave and Nick Kydes, along with a new entrant into the Norwalk Thunderdome, Phylis Bolden. Oh, how I wish I was there (not.) From Robert Koch’s article:

Monday night’s Planning Committee meeting, by some accounts, nearly came to blows, as members disagreed bitterly over the issue of affordable housing within Wall Street redevelopment.

Committee Democrats, including Chairman Matthew T. Miklave, blame Republican Nicholas D. Kydes for the heated exchange.

“What I heard (Kydes) say is that affordable housing is the same as low-income housing and led to undesirable neighborhoods, and to the same kind of economic conditions of undesirable sections of downtown Hartford and Bridgeport. I personally took issue with these comments,” Miklave said Tuesday. “I told Mr. Kydes that I found his comments to be offensive, and he began to shout me down and would not recognize that he was out of order. I asked him to leave the meeting and he refused to do so.”

Hrmm, Miklave took offense, yet was it only last week that he was accusing the Council of discriminating against low income students by questioning how the BOE spends ECS dollars? Miklave sure likes to push the buttons of most of the council, hence the rather easy exercise of tagging him as one of the Thunderdome participants. The sad thing is, baiting and making outrageous statements seems to be his only bag of tricks at these meetings and like listening to the same old MP3 tune, it gets old.

But let’s return to the article:

At one point, he threw his hand down on the table and stood up next to me like he was going to throw a punch,” Miklave said.
Kydes labeled that assessment of Monday night’s exchange “crap.”

The Republican said he — not Miklave nor Democratic Councilwoman Phyllis Y. Bolden — was “verbally assaulted” for sharing his thoughts on affordable housing within Wall Street redevelopment.

“We had a little blowout,” Kydes said Tuesday. “I was vocally assaulted by two people. Phyllis called me a racist, and I stood and said, ‘I object to you assaulting me this way vocally.’ I was not going to take it, especially when I came from Greece … and had to go through prejudice.”

Holy crap, batdude, Kydes was called a racist., but he claims he’s not because he’s Greek. Pot meet Cypriots, but thankfully Kydes didn’t mention that, and so we are left with trying to identify what comment said by whom set off this whole sparring match.

The exchange came after Munro W. Johnson, senior development project manager for the Norwalk Redevelopment Agency, outlined aspects of the draft land-disposition agreement between the city and POKO Partners LLC, the selected developer for the Isaacs Street portion of Wall Street.

“Only 20 percent of the units are required, in the land-disposition agreement, to be affordable. But because of the developer’s intended financing (plan), we anticipate that number will go up to 33 percent,” Johnson said. “Councilman Kydes thought that the level was 40 percent. We clarified that later.”

Rental units would be targeted at four-member families with incomes between $60,000 and $70,000. Ownership units would be for families with incomes “in the vicinity of $90,000,” Johnson said Tuesday.

Phyllis Y. Bolden, also on the Planning Committee, said she was “very disgusted” Monday night by Kydes’ repeated use of the term “low-income.”

Yeah, I’d be disgusted too if someone kept confusing low-income with affordable housing which is neither low-income or affordable considering the wages one needs to “afford” the large expansive units planned.

“He doesn’t have to want 40 percent affordable housing. He’s entitled to his opinions,” Bolden said. “But when you start saying ‘low income,’ of course I’m going to take offense, because African Americans fall in that income bracket. The way he said it was so ugly. He said, ‘It won’t be the right foot traffic with low-income people. The discrimination and the racist tone bothered me.”

Miklave said tying Norwalk with the inner cities of Hartford and Bridgeport, with their “substantial minority populations,” is at the very least “racially insensitive” and, at most, an “overtly a racist comment.” Affordable units within the Wall Street development are not low-income housing, but housing for working families, teachers, cops, firefighters and nurses aides, he said.

Well kiddees, if someone had bothered to remind the panel what the defintion of “affordable housing” was instead of using the ambiguous workforce housing, maybe then everyone would know what they were talking about, or at least arguing about. But maybe that was the point.

Kydes, however, said 40 percent affordable housing — or even a third affordable housing — is “not the right balance” for Wall Street.

“That is way too much. I don’t believe that that’s the proper ratio we should have in an area we’re trying to redevelop — especially downtown Norwalk — and attract businesses and people who are going to be spending money in restaurants,” Kydes said. “And besides, we’re over our quota of 10 percent. Towns like Wilton, Westport and Darien hardly have any affordable housing.”

Kydes last year pressed for an additional tier of affordable housing within the Reed Putnam redevelopment project in South Norwalk. He praised aiming 5 percent of the housing units there at those making at or less than 100 percent of the area median income — now $111,000 for a family of four. Kydes said he does not consider households earning $110,000 to be “rich people.”

Funny how Kydes is concerned with the property rights of the developer all of a sudden. If 40% is too much, what about 100% luxury condos, is that too not the right balance? For the next Council meeting, I plan to bring popcorn.

source: The Hour, Affordable housing debate ends in quarrel at committee meeting, By ROBERT KOCH, July 18, 2007

Tags: In the News · Norwalk

45 Responses so far “Norwalk: Affordable Housing Plans Leads To Fight”



  • 1 MGeake // Jul 18, 2007 at 7:36 am

    So let me understand: we don’t want “those people” to actually work in the area, so we get ride of all the blue collar employers; we don’t want too many of “them” to live near people who can afford luxury housing; and now, we’re afraid “they” will actually walk down the sidewalk next to our precious yuppie stores.

    Is that a fair assessment of Mr. Kydes position?

    Oh, and wasn’t it so generous of him to push for more “low-income” housing in South Norwalk?

    Everything in its proper place!

  • 2 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 7:48 am

    Ah, yes. Kydes, “friend” of property developers, bud of Chris Handrinos, defender of the Greeks. What a nutcase.

  • 3 anon // Jul 18, 2007 at 7:59 am

    Nick Kydes thinks he’s owns East ave. He’s the protector of the Inn and the Developers who own the strip of blight called office buildings. He wants to preserve he status quo because its worked so well.

  • 4 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 10:24 am

    Nick Kydes is a biggott and a racist and hates women.
    His behavior in meetings and on the council floor is abominable and he should not be allowed to run for public office. He doesn’t think people who are not Greek or white should have the same rights he believes are owed to him as an imigrant. Wake up call Mr. Kydes. Norwalk doesn’t need “your type” poluting the minds of the rest of Norwalk.

  • 5 Ron Morton // Jul 18, 2007 at 10:32 am

    Turfgrrl, watch out as the statements in post #4 are getting to or are Libelous.

    Just a warning.

  • 6 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 10:37 am

    I don’t believe the statements in #4 are anything more than ones beliefs. Nothing more than what others have posted elsewhere on this blogg. If Mr. Kydes belidoes not want libelous statements perhaps he should control himself in public forums in the future. if Turk believes my statement in #4 is uncalled for please by all means remove it.

  • 7 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Even the Republicans know that Kydes is a loose cannon. Watch this space for more from their favorite problem child. He is always on the edge of making improper statements in public and making political life very difficult for the R’s. I guess two years in office has gone to his head.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 11:15 am

    It’s about time we started hearing about the problematic Republican politicos instead of just the Dems.

    Of course, since they’re so good as toeing the party line we won’t be hearing about any internal discord, now, will we?

    I for one hope Kydes continues to exhibit foot-in-mouth disease; perhaps he and Handrinos will do enough damage that way to sink his chances at re-election.

  • 9 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 11:17 am

    Some people feel public office gives them special privledges and rights that others don’t have. Patting oneself on the back and taking credit for everything but global warming seems to be what Mr. Kydes does. Then he turns around makes discriminatory comments about people whom he feels do not belong living in Norwalk. This is not the way an elected official should act. It has been said that he has made many comments like those in today’s paper as well as racial slurs in public places so perhaps he should rethink running for office because Norwalk deserves better.

  • 10 nwlknative // Jul 18, 2007 at 12:27 pm

    Whether the housing is “affordable” or “low-income” isn’t really the point. If a family of four is living on $60-$70,000 per year, they can’t afford to eat at pricey restaurants or shop at fancy boutiques. Perhaps this is the point Kydes was trying to get across. If you are going to have upscale businesses, you need upscale people to patronize them.

  • 11 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    It still doesn’t sit well. His comments are a disgrace. Defending his actions just puts more wood on the fire. When you’re wrong, you’re wrong and no amount of defending will change that.

  • 12 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    Nicky “The Tongue” Kydes strikes again!

  • 13 Roof man // Jul 18, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    Nick Kydes is a transparent hack. He suddenly cares about upscale buisnesses? Does he even know what’s down there now? Oh yeah, the “greeks” have bought up all of Wall street so now he’s all concerned about the people who live there. Give me a break. It’s all low income housing there now Kydes!

  • 14 Crazy Eddie // Jul 18, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    Everybody should realize that Kydes represents the typical Republican. They are for THEIR businesses, THEIR kind, THEIR party, THEIR everything. If you want to support a narrow view of the world, vote Republican.

  • 15 Jerry Aldrich // Jul 18, 2007 at 12:52 pm

    I take it that Nick Kydes is not on Anonymous,Roof Man, or Crazy Eddie’s Christmas List.

  • 16 nwlkrep // Jul 18, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    #14-speaking of narrow minded. Apparently you don’t know what you are talking about since none of therepublicans that have read about this disgusting behaior condone what Mr. Kydes has done. Kindly take your partisan politics to the eggs and bacon bits section of this blog because this is not a partisan issue. What he has said and inplied affects everyone in the community and is hurtful to everyone.

  • 17 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 12:58 pm

    No one is talking about Miklave’s role in all this. What about his racism of lowered expectations?

  • 18 anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 1:07 pm

    The problem with deed restricted affordable housing as I see it is that the affordable units carry a lesser market value than market rate units. Less market rate means lower tax assessment which means lower taxes on comparable units. This shifts tax burden to market rate homeowners, many of whom are “middle class” wage earners. The greater the tax burden the greater the erosion of the middle class who I see as Norwalk’s backbone.

    There’s no question but that affordable units are needed, but how much is too much?

  • 19 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    Matt Miklave didn’t make derogatory comments about low and middle income families that reside in Norwalk.

  • 20 Mr Greenpeace // Jul 18, 2007 at 1:44 pm

    what ever happened to the thought taking care of what we already have and improve the conditions of our residents before we start with a whole new area of housing..

    So I never think like everyone else, maybe I should defend this nitwit,,he may be on to something we all havn’t thought about

    Bridgeport 150,000 people 525 police oficers

    Hartford 121,000 people 475 police officers

    Norwalk 85,000 people 188 police officers

    Maybe he is bracing us to add another officer or two and the way we plan we expect our police dept to handle a 100,000 people with just two more additional officers..that would bring us up to what 190 officers as you can see we are planning big on our public service force,,these numbers speak for themselves who speaks for the residents the mayor?

    ok so he scewed up in his delivery,,what about the fire dept,,all I have to say great guys I would go out at three in morning to give them coffee but what the hell happeneded the other day where an engine company includes a ladder made a committment to a dead end street not even near the fire , had a third truck make a committment to a hydrant for a structure fire down the street and not where they were,,this people was a gross mistake for any fire dept,,where was the chief in all this preparing for yet another racism meeting,,give me a break , a fiore in an apt complex where a life could of been lost and they were where down the street? Ok so I am no expert but my 8 year old said dad whats up with this?

    ok so I am waiting for reason to comment on the dredging and the nonesense the mayor spoke about the dredging,,like he knows anything about why we may need up to 75,000 cubic yards of clean fill to cap what dirty contaminated fill outside the harbour, what is the true story here,,Hour danced around it the Advocate will ignore it no one there smart enough to report on it,,I know I,ve spoken to them their lost..

    but not those guys Matt and Nickerson they at least try,,sometimes…

    and the paper is full of what anger, and complaints ,its like moving the deck chairs around the Titanic and we are electing a mayor soon,,this is going to be awesomefor me I never had anything good to say about anyone..that doesn’t do thier job or ignore the obvious,

    any one see the Brownfield reports, or the report on the old police station,,or has anyone found the report on Oyster park,,if you find that one send it to the EPA they don’t have anything recent at all in their files,,

    how was that Watchdog I got rained out with the family so I went to work so the taxpayer could pay me to write this..

    I have job and a life to my critics to my friends I’m sorry this was the best outlook today in the papers..to bad someone couldn’t translate the news for others that don’t get this blog..

    by the way after taxes and $100,000 we as a couple still grill at rest areas we can’t afford to take the family to Bridgeport and eat,,no bun intended

    the news is sickening today why is that? who’s fault is it?

  • 21 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    Mr. Greenpeace, while I normally respect most of what you write, please please do not defend the “nitwit”. He had nothing more in his mind than bigotry and racism and he doesn’t even try to hide it.

  • 22 turfgrrl // Jul 18, 2007 at 3:03 pm

    I see that the spirit of the planning commission meeting carried to the comments here. I think that since the news article was about whether Kydes was racist or demonstrating racism in his remarks, it is fair game here.
  • 23 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    Interesting that the subject of racism is factoring into two threads today.

  • 24 Anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    There is no excuse for racism or bad behaior and especially none for an elected official.

  • 25 old norwalker // Jul 18, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    Kydes’ comments do not surprise me. I have attended many Common Council meetings and the level of his thinking and comments brings down the I.Q. level of the council Republicans by several points. The GOP would do well to not allow him to run again and the Norwalk voters should remember this article when they go to the polls this November. The 60M$ annual incomes include many college grads, upstanding middle classs residents and city workers and teachers. Are these the undesirable people to whom he is referring?

  • 26 anonymous // Jul 18, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Nick Kydes is a good councilman who cares about this city. At least he looks out for the residents. From what I read, Mr. Miklave is useless as a councilman and has not done anything for they city in his three terms on the council.

  • 27 Watchdog // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:02 pm

    RE: #21

    Well, Mr. Greenpeace, my friend..

    Yes, there is something positive in our local Hour today. I’m not sure if you’ve read Bruce Kimmel’s rant in the commentary section, but it’s a gift. Bruce has totally run amok and is defending a line-by-line budget scrutiny for the BoE. Odd.. he’s not even up for re-election this November. What a guy!

  • 28 Mr Greenpeace // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    I know its not the place but then again I don’t follow rules,,think about this,,not only did our police dept work on removing drugs from a house this morning, now the fire dept is fighting a house fire in the same house right now,,this is a classic example of us using the equipment and needing new stuff sooner than later,,who is seeing the need for more fire and police when we spend all day at one house,,not to mention the other calls that have come in and are still coming in for the day,,we need some more personal to cover the city short handed stations and overtime budgets are also going to be an issue,,crime and fires do not have budgets..seems the dept heads should be talking to us telling us what they need..

  • 29 turfgrrl // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:11 pm

    watchdog: Afternoon. But yipes, how did I miss Kimmel’s Op Ed this morning. That darn day job had me typing and running this am. I have posted it, and you are so right, its a good one. Kimmel is asking good questions.

    This also ties in to the fact that the BOE is not doing its monthly reports to the Mayor.

  • 30 Mr Greenpeace // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    by the way Watchdog read my news, you ain’t going to see it in the Hour or advocate first,,your seeing it here on the blog,,

    course I am giving credit to the guys in the trenches but what about giving them what they need..

    you did want some dirt didn’t you?

    well this is stop the presses news, now lets see how it plays out tommorrow on what equipment we used today and what we may need for another day,,lets say they got drug money who pays the thousands of dollars for the fire to be put out, never mind the wear and tear on the trucks,,I trust the occupants are responsible for the fire,,sounded like a rental so may not be a property seizure,,

    I do enjoy shedding light on our city,,

  • 31 lifelong east norwalker // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:22 pm

    Nick Kydes is an excellent councilman who fights for us residents. I will happily be voting for him in the fall. I will also be voting for Dave Park. Kevin Poruban is useless and Laurel Lindstrom is just plain strange.

  • 32 Joe Carlotti // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:38 pm

    and Laurel Lindstrom is just plain strange.

    Is that the reason she is at every meeting of the city, and breaks her ass for East Norwalk Residents.

    Dave Park would be seen by many as strange. What has he done for East Norwalk lately. What is his track record. Has he ever had an idea of his own? Will he be a mouthpiece for his bosses? Hanging around the council meetings is not a track record. I might be a sign of trouble at home, or just not enough hobbies.

    The old political BS. If you cannot attack a persons record of good work, THEN JUST ATTACK THEM PERSONALLY and try to tarnish their reputation. People like you make me sick.

    What a schmuck.

  • 33 Joe Carlotti // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:44 pm

    While I am at it, I don’t think Nick has made any friends this week, and that includes within his own party.

    So I would be very careful if I was you, to be sure if I was on the inside or outside of that glass house before I started throwing rocks.

    you schmuck

  • 34 Dem // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:45 pm

    I think Laurel is strange. She has a heart of gold, but strange behaviors. Political behaviors that defy common sense.

  • 35 L'arlequino // Jul 18, 2007 at 5:50 pm

    Welcome to those of you who are throwing in their two cents’ worth and who are new to the dialogue. We need new voices on this rag. I was starting to wonder if the bloom was off the rose, so to speak…

  • 36 turfgrrl // Jul 18, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    L’arlequino: Don’t worry, readership, in terms of site traffic is up. We are hovering around a 2k daily visit average, not too shabby. A peak day brings in 5k of visitors. So you can’t tell from the comments what the lurkers are doing.
  • 37 Joe Carlotti // Jul 18, 2007 at 6:14 pm

    Political behaviors that defy common sense.

    Like the people in power now are the masters of common sense.

  • 38 Joe Carlotti // Jul 18, 2007 at 6:17 pm

    “Pot meet Cypriots” Hey Turfey, that went over my head until just know. LOL

    Kettle

  • 39 turfgrrl // Jul 18, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Joe Carlotti: Glad you noticed.
  • 40 oldnorwalker // Jul 21, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    Laurel Lindstrom does not play party politics. What she says and believes is what is best for Norwalk as a whole and she is always ethical in her views. This administration hands out favors and manipulates only to their advantage. They are aa throwback to early 20th c. politics and this is one time when history does not need to be preserved.

  • 41 iknowitall // Jul 22, 2007 at 8:52 pm

    Ask someone who was at the Planning Committee Meeting what “really went on”? Nick Kydes LIED to The Hour and Report Robert Koch chose to honor his version of the story which simply demonstrates his “over-inflated-self-righteous-dispositon” which is becoming more and more evident everyday. Nick Kydes demonstrates the Domestic Violence Wheel’s analogy of “minimizing, denying and blaming” http://www.ncdsv.org/images/PowerControlwheelNOSHADING.pdf he has no respect for women, even in his own party; he verbally abused and assaulted Citizen News Reporter Lauren Garrison to the point of tears and she seems very intimidated by him and steers clear of him. Furthermore, Nick Kydes has no respect for authority, he disrespects his own Mayor at council meetings, his fellow council constituency and if you were at the PCCC Meeting he was officially ruled out of order by Chairman Miklave and Nick Kydes took him to task, jumped in his face as if he was going knock his head off, Bill Krummel tried to calm him, Rev. Phyllis Bolden stood up behind him calling his name, I mean, this guy was in a “danger zone of battle-cry!” Contrary to Robert Koch’s story, Matt Miklave didn’t provoke anything (this time) and was running a darn smooth meeting, Kydes came in late enough to have stayed absent and began voicing his “opinion” that he was “very, very, very, very, concerned” about the amount of affordable housing units and that he wasn’t impressed with Tim Sheehan’s explanation of CHFA loand for workforce housing (aka affordable housing) and after Miklave told him to wait and he’d get a chance to voice his opinion later - when that time came, the ugly came, it was Nick Kydes that made ALL the initial remarks, ugly, demeaning, distasteful, you could see the sour taste in his mouth every time he referred to low income people, he said they weren’t the kind of people he’d want living around him that they were undesirables, and brought undesireable “foot-traffic” (that was a new one) and Miklave stopped him and told him that he found his comments “offensive, insensitive and quite frankly Racist” and it had no place on his committee, with that — Kydes blew up like a double hand grenade, when he refused to calm down, and kept saying “those people, et. al” that is when Rev. Bolden began to speak to him telling him that he was wrong and asked him what was his problem and AFTER KYDES, TURNED HIS COMPLETE BODY AROUND IN HER FACE AND FOLDED HIS ARMS, THEN AND ONLY THEN DID SHE REFER TO HIM AS BEING RACIST. Nicholas Kydes has no business in Poko, Wall Street Meetings because his BLOOD BROTHER owns reportedly THREE of the properties and he constantly asks the developers IF THEY’VE ACQUIRED ALL THE PROPERTIES KNOWING FULL WELL THAT HIS BROTHER IS AN OWNER AND ALSO OWNER OF THE GLOBE THEATER. GO FIGURE!!!! THAT GUY IS A DISGRACE TO THIS CITY, TO HIS OWN PARTY AND TO EVERY WOMAN, BLACK, WHITE AND OTHERWISE. HE IS NOT WHAT NORWALK NEEDS!

  • 42 indiga // Jul 22, 2007 at 9:14 pm

    At the Historical Commission public hearing about 93 East Avenue, Kydes sat next to Handrinos, belittling every speaker, smirking and laughing with Handrinos. Handrinos was rude, loud, and offensive. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kydes is the guy encouraging Handrinos to vandalize the building.

  • 43 oldnorwalker // Jul 23, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    After reading 41 and 42, please reread comment 25. I hope you all vote for Poruban and Lindstrom and get the republican misfits out of politics. Persons with bad tempers and ignorant biased ideas that support only their friends and prejudices rather than the District and the people they represent, have no place on the Council.

  • 44 Anonymous // Jul 23, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    oldnorwalker, I must agree with you and post #25. I too have sat at Council meetings and wondered how anyone could be so clueless and dumb. He really is an embarrassment not only to Norwalk but to the GOP too.

    He should be kicked off of the committee because his brother owns property on Wall Street. By the way #41 iknowitall, do you know HOW his brother got that property when it was pretty much a done deal that another group was trying to buy it???

  • 45 iknowitall // Jul 23, 2007 at 11:03 pm

    #s 42-45 good dialogue, #44, no, I have no clue HOW his brother got that property in spite of the “done-deal”, hmmmm………??????

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