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Norwalk: Shoulda, Woulda, Shall


by turfgrrl


June 27th, 2007 · 22 Comments

The Common Council hadda update the ethics code. The old code was vague and did not outline what to do in the event someone filed an ethics complaint. That was immediately apparent when a city resident filed a complaint against a zoning appeals commissioner. There was a small group of people who thought that the hearing and investigation into that ethics complaint shoulda never been held. Under the old ethics code, that coulda been a good argument. The smell test, or if it looks like duck and quack likes a duck suggested otherwise. Many of the same people who objected to that ethics investigation, amazingly, showed up to repeatedly to object to the revised ethics code.

At last night’s hearing First Taxing Commissioner Ken Slapin made a speech that mirrored his last public hearing testimony on the ethics code revisions last month. He said that the use of should versus shall made the ethics code without “teeth” and was a structural defect. I asked Mike Coffey about the usage of should versus shall from a legal standpoint and he said that in legal terms there were interchangeable. Not being quite satisfied with that answer I turned to google to see what the current thoughts on that argument are. Not surprisingly, the interchangeability of the words is hotly debated in the legal world. I found reference to a 20 page discussion on the topic! And as lawyers often do, they look to the context, or surrounding text to determine if what was meant was a “suggestion” or a “requirement”. And this gem:

Fowler then opens its discussion with the following short and simple directions: “Roughly speaking, should follows the same rules as shall, and would as will.”

In their pure form, Fowler continues, shall and should express command or obligation, whereas will and would express intention or prediction, the difference between the two members of each pair being that the second is the conditional form of the first. Hence, “the refugees… shall be permitted to do so” would indicate that Israel is commanded to accept them unconditionally, whereas “the refugees… should be permitted to do so” indicates that this command is subject to a condition — in this case, presumably, that the refugees wish “to live at peace with their [Jewish] neighbors.”

But wait, there’s more:

To correctly use “shall,” confine it to the meaning “has a duty to” and use it to impose a duty on a capable actor. Bryan A. Garner, A Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage 940–941 (2d ed., Oxford U. Press 1995). Here’s how:

  • Lessee shall sell the remaining oil . . .

In other words–

  • Lessee [an actor capable of carrying out an obligation] shall [has a duty to] sell the remaining oil . . .

Some suggest that lawyers are incapable of using “shall” correctly, so we ought to banish it entirely. Michèle M. Asprey, Shall Must Go, 3 Scribes J. Leg. Writing 79 (1992). One recommendation is to use “must” instead. Of course, you cannot search and replace every “shall” with “must.” Scrutinize each use carefully.

So, Coffey’s answer was correct, and Slapin’s point was wrong in that he apparently forgot that shall and should mean the same thing, and what he really must have wanted to say, but somehow missed such an important detail, was to recommend the use of the word must.

But that left me wondering why didn’t Matt Miklave, also a lawyer, realize this? And why Kevin Poruban, not a lawyer, thought it so important? They and others in the audience thought that the revised code was not ready to be voted on because of this interchange over should and shall. Kevin Poruban even suggested that because there was a typo that he found, and would not reveal to the council, that the code should not be voted on.
There was a simple remedy to that language concern though. Doug Hempstead after the council meeting said, “Why didn’t they suggest a text amendment to the typo? Why didn’t they make a motion to amend the shoulds or shalls to achieve what they wanted to change?”
Matt Miklave suggested that everyone there last night wanted the ethics code to be stronger, and that by delaying the vote, yet again, to hold yet more public hearings, to debate the issue even more would make the code stronger. Matt Miklave was being entirely disingenuous.  For had he truly wanted the code to be stronger, had Mr. Slapin truly wanted the language to be must instead of should or shall, they could have suggested those changes at any point in the past year. They chose not to. The use of should versus shall did not change between the first public draft and the code voted on last night. They had months to tighten the language. And even if we are to give them some slack on not having had enough time to make those changes in the preceding months, all they had to do was make the text changes on the floor.

Lawyers do play games. Lawyers in politics play games on top of games. There were many people who undoubtedly believed that the arguments put forth by Miklave and Slapin were genuine, and that they really wanted to better the language of the ethics code. Sadly, they were uninterested in using their lawyer skills to the benefit of the people. Neither attended the last ethics committee meeting where all changes were discussed and a great many suggestions that the public had asked for were incorporated in the code.

Diane Cece said after the vote, that this was a “sad day for Norwalk”. She felt that the ethics code was not ready to be voted on and that “good enough” wasn’t a high enough standard for the code. She was snookered by the legal froth put forth by Miklave and Slapin, as they intended.

In a way, it was a sad day because some people who should know better were trying to manipulate the system to derail progressive ethics reform. “We did what we thought was right and fair to reform with a progressive, comprehensive ethics code, and it should serve the city well,” Mike Coffey explained. “Sure, there are some things that the ethics panel can change, no legislation is ever perfect, but the important thing is that the council is out of the ethics business.”

And seeing how some council members wanted to drag the ethics code through further months of debate, without committing to any substantive changes,  the vote to adopt the new code was a good thing. And for those of you who have any doubt, watch to see if any of the people who saw a flawed document submit any changes to the ethics panel once its been appointed.

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22 Responses so far “Norwalk: Shoulda, Woulda, Shall”



  • 1 Watchdog // Jun 27, 2007 at 10:22 am

    Good post, Turf. You say it well. It is absolutely astounding that Mr. Poruban’s would move to cystalize every aspect of the ethics document as decidedly perfect, when he spotted a typo and refused to share its location so it could be corrected. This is unbelievable!

    As I see it, Mr. Poruban completely discredited his role on the council floor. How can anyone possibly take him seriously? What is his purpose? I am totally baffled.

  • 2 Vern Acular // Jun 27, 2007 at 10:33 am

    Interesting linguistic discussion. Should/shall; Would/will; Could/can — variations that indicate degrees of volition and intent. Interestingly, many users confuse these and use should/shall and would/will nterchangebly. Technically, they are not but common usage often has the should/shall being used when people want to appear more erudite and intellectual. Each has specific usage — but unfortunately is often subject to “abusage”.

  • 3 Vern Acular // Jun 27, 2007 at 11:19 am

    Just looked at your link which misinterprets Fowler to make their point about Palestinain refugees and Isreal. The crux of what Fowler says about should/shall and would/will supports the weakness pointed out in code voted on last night. Fowler states in his discussion of shall:”The English idiom affords a convenient means of distinguishing delicate shades of meaning; and that is a valuable element in a language.” Clearly, should and shall are not, as Coffey would have you believe, interchangeble although it serves his purpose to have you believe so.

    “I should go abck to work and stop blogging” has a completely different meaning than “I shall go back to work and stop blogging.” Substitute would/will and could/can and you see the differnce. Another example — A code of ethics should be precise and not vague. Norwalk’s shall, however, be on the record as presented.

    Here’s a good joke describing the need for precision in langauge:

    Vernon manages two people: Jack and Mary. He has to downsize and lay off one of the two. It’s tough decision but he finally decides that, since Mary is a more recent hire, it will be Mary.

    He goes to deliver the news and finds Mary at the coffee machine after a weekend of hard partying, nurisng a wicked hangover.

    Vern says: “Mary, this is a tough situation for me, but I have to either lay you or Jack off.”

    Mary says: “Could you just jack off? I feel like crap this morning.”

  • 4 Anonymous // Jun 27, 2007 at 11:28 am

    LOL, that’s a good one. What did the lawyer say when he stepped in a pile of dog s*it? “I’m melting!”

  • 5 turfgrrl // Jun 27, 2007 at 11:50 am

    Vern Acular: There’s the precision of the English language and then the precision of the legal language, which I had hoped this post illustrated. Should/shall in legalese are equivalent in legal language. However, the intent of both is not as clear as will or must. So last night’s argument was not even the right one to be having if clarity and strength was the intent. That being said, none of the proponents of language issues offered up a single text amendment in order to make the language better. That, i find, appalling.
  • 6 Anonymous // Jun 27, 2007 at 11:55 am

    #3-just goes to show your mentality. Your post is vulgar and your interpretaions are one sided. Unfortunately you and others chose this as a political ploy to discredit and bring into question the integrity of council people who worked very hard on this code and who also made great effort to include not one but all council people and the public when crafting this code. It is unfortunate as pointed out that some of the council people chose not to be a part of the solution but part of the problem and made a great grandstanding effort to belittle their fellow council people. If you think the public is impressed perhaps you should look up the meaning of NOT!

  • 7 Vern Acular // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    I humbly disagree. Correct language is correct language whether it is a legal document or a textbook or a letter to your mother. Are you then justifying our former president’s well-known quote about “”it depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is”? I’m suprised. I wouldn’t think you were a Clinton supporter.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:01 pm

    “If you’re not with us, you’re with the terrorists.” Getting a little old. Time to come up with some new propaganda, guys.

  • 9 Anonymous // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:11 pm

    #7-guess you just never know who you’re talking to on a blog. And as someone who spent many years proofreading, I can assure you I have read books, legal documents etc that had so many typo’s that it was mind boggling. Unfortunately with books you can’t correct them if they are already in print.

  • 10 turfgrrl // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    Vern Acular: No, I’m stating that the legal documents have their own set of usage rules. In specifics, the legal dictionary:

    shall
    v. 1) an imperative command as in “you shall not kill.” 2) in some statutes, “shall” is a direction but does not mean mandatory, depending on the context.

    So stopping at the argument of shall/should doesn’t quite do the trick, since it should be supported by context. But the use of will or must is a better term legally, which wasn’t mentioned. I feel like I am repeating myself here, but legal usage is different from regular old English usage.

  • 11 Vern Acular // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    TG, by your reasoning then, the Norwalk code of ethics should adhere to “regular old English usage” instad of “legal usage” since the intent of the code is to be useful to “regular old English speakers” not just lawyers. Or have I misunderstood the intent of the code? I’m sure you can clear that up for me.

  • 12 turfgrrl // Jun 27, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    Vern Acular: I’m fond of regular old English myself, and Modern English too, but I digress :). I didn’t have a problem with the language being shall/should. The test of the code will not come about until someone files an ethics complaint under the new code and several lawyers get their dander up over the interpretation of the clauses. This is what lawyers do, take perfectly reasonable language and claim it to be whatever they want it to be. You cited a nifty example with Clinton suggesting that there are different definitions of “is”. In a way he was right, but that was a lawyerly parsing, when us regular people intuitively understand the intent without such wrangling.
  • 13 Vern Acular // Jun 27, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    I’d avoid Middle English, as well. Although it probably would be just as understanble to most people as the legalese in the new ethics code.

  • 14 Vern Acular // Jun 27, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    Or maybe broken english is better…http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/marianne+faithfull/broken+english_20088579.html

  • 15 Grant's Folly // Jun 27, 2007 at 1:31 pm

    And to finish off this discussion in the proper spirit…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvtDD98rK-o

  • 16 Anonymous // Jun 27, 2007 at 1:37 pm

    Maybe this is more pertinent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN_nny1ROIE

  • 17 Grant's Folly // Jun 27, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    Maybe. But mine’s funnier.

  • 18 turfgrrl // Jun 27, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    Oh c’mon now this is the one you really wanted to post ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkTQU2TYgm8

  • 19 anonymous // Jun 28, 2007 at 6:00 am

    Good job council for updating the ethics code. It is about time.

  • 20 Grant's folly // Jun 28, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    It’s too bad municipalities don’t have the Federal Sentencing Guidelines hanging over them the way corporations do. Since the fines are drastically reduced if the corporation can show that 1) the ethics code is accessible and understaddable by all employees, 2) all emplyees have been trained in compliance and 3) supervisor and employees sign a document that they have read the code and been to traning, corporations (like GE) went to a lot of effort to “translate” compliance and ethics policies from legalese to plain English. (at least this was the case a few years back; don’t know if the Sentancing Guidelines have changed) See GE’s Letter and Spirit of the Law for a model of how a code of ethics can be taken out of the law office and made “user friendly.” But I guess that’s too radical for Norwalk…it would minimize the job opporutnities for lawyers.

  • 21 Anonymous // Jun 28, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    I agree #20 it would not only minimize the job opportunities for the lawyers but also the lawyers’ unemployable children and godchildren too.

  • 22 Anonymous // Jun 28, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    Ok, Kevin you can post by your real name! Should/shall and a typo not divulged does not make for a bad ethics code.

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