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Norwalk: BOE Bamboozles Some More


by turfgrrl


June 7th, 2007 · 19 Comments

Jodi Bishop-Pullan was quoted as saying that the BOE isn’t supposed to meddle in how Corda’s administration is run. She was speaking of the budget process and oversight of the budget then. But this is now, and under her lackluster leadership, which gave us the ban on bake sales earlier in the year, we know see what she meant exactly by not meddling.

In full misguided glory, Jodi Bishop-Pullan is pushing the idea that any volunteer who, according to The Hour, who travel on overnight field trips, spend time with students outside of school, communicate with students electronically, or work with students multiple times, would be subject to self-financed fingerprinting and background checks.

Hey, why stop there, If you plan on sending your kids to Norwalk schools, or having kids at all, get your fingerprints and background check to the principal as soon as possible.

Fortunately there are some saner people on the BOE who questioned the language and intent of this rule. From the Hour:

Superintendent Salvatore Corda questioned the policy language that states a volunteer who performs a one-time, supervised service, or volunteers who work in their child’s school during the school day, would be exempt under the policy.

Corda asked board members whether supervision, or the amount of times a person serves in a school, would take precedence when determining exemption.

Member Robert Polley said the policy needs more clarity in order to be enforceable.

“The policy has to be written so it is unambiguous as it is written,” he said.

Susan Hamilton, the board’s secretary, voted to adopt the policy with an amendment that would mandate a revision during the 2007-2008 school year, in an effort to get the change on the books before the school year’s end.

After a 4-4-1 vote, ex-officio member Mayor Richard Moccia voted against the adoption, breaking the tie.

The board voted 5-3-1 to table the policy until June 26, with Hamilton, Chair Jody Bishop-Pullen and Tom Vetter voting against tabling the policy, and Rosa Murray abstaining.

The item must be voted upon before July 1, so that prospective volunteers will have time to be fingerprinted, Hamilton said.

Clearly Jody Bishop-Pullan, Susan Hamilton and Tom Vetter have decided that in America, treating volunteers like criminals is in the spirit of the innocent until proven guilty rule of law thing that we’ve been freedom fighting for all these years. Oh yeah, yesterday was the anniversary of D-Day. Papiere, Bitte

source: The Hour , Too many questions linger, board tables volunteer policy, By AMANDA PINTO, June 7, 2007

Tags: Education · In the News

19 Responses so far “Norwalk: BOE Bamboozles Some More”



  • 1 Former PTO volunteer // Jun 7, 2007 at 9:29 am

    HAven’t read the policy, but there is a definite need to protect the kids from predators. When I was involved, there was a sexual predator working in the Norwalk schools and the parents were horrified to learn that there was no check on criminal records prior to hiring support staff. There needs to be a sensible policy with no loopholes, as sexual predators will volunteer and especially for overnight trips with intended victims.

  • 2 volunteer // Jun 7, 2007 at 9:45 am

    With all due respect, I am not going to pay for fingerprinting and background checks just so I can stand for hours on end selling baked goods becuase this school can’t figure out how to spend money on kids instead of administrators.

    When will these clowns figure out that parents are choosing private schools or moving out because they have no faith in this school administration? Declining enrollement speaks volumes.

  • 3 Former PTO volunteer // Jun 7, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    #2, Sad to say that there has never been concern by administration or teachers union about an exodus to private schools. In the ’80’s numerous parents withdrew their kids after the expected magnet middle school didn’t happen. And this was after a large number of school closings due to a declining birth rate!
    There is so little chance that anyone will lose a job (just like now, even after the scare tactics.) What they want least is for parents to have more say in what happens.
    The school system is very difficult to change, and only a very strong Board can make a dent. There are signs of hope with Bruce Kimmel and Greg Burnett speaking out, but remember, it takes 5 votes to change anything.

  • 4 plumbers crack // Jun 8, 2007 at 2:12 am

    when the school system at the beginning of the year did not realize a predator was living at a elementry school bus stop and was told by parents,, the school dept said well you have to watch your kids,,I was told by one of my sources the school dept didn’t even know there was a internet list that was developed by the police dept to even look at,,

    Ok lets hear whos fault it was,,parents went wild and got it changed but really whats the deal, who do we blame for this mistake..

    Before anyone says anything who knows about the web site? If you look real hard at it not many streets are free of such vermin so the next question is does all te other parents know,,we do have what 9 days to make everyone aware before school ends ,,yes I blame city hall for this I was also told they too got involved and slipped this story in the recycle file..

    a damm shame when I read posting from people that simply have no clue what happens in this city because of lack of communication, the police dept should be commended on such a site, I imagine it costs no less than 10 or 20 grand to maintain each each year

    where was the BOE in all this do they share any responsibility in all this?

    I would like to see someone address this in a professional manner without party handle,,our kids deserved better our city deserves better..

  • 5 Former PTO volunteer // Jun 8, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    I believe the predator you mention is the same one I spoke about in the 1980’s. There was a big stink 10 years ago when he returned from jail and some parents learned that the school bus stopped in front of his house. There is only so much the school sytem and the police can do. I think the pressure should be on the Legislature to make the penalty longer than 5 years and/or use civil law to put these people away in mental institutions. As long as there is no cure for sexual predation, they will keep seeking victims–just watch “To Catch a Predator.” Last week one of them was a teacher, how scary is that?

  • 6 Anonymous // Jun 8, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    #5-the legislature has done something about this. They have adopted Jessica’s Law. It is now up to us as citizens, parents, administrators and teachers to report such activity the the proper authorities.

  • 7 Anonymous // Jun 8, 2007 at 12:56 pm

    Colorblind-What the hell are you talking about WHY IS IT THE REPUBLICANS AGAIN? Are you even awatre that only 2 Republican council persons sit on each committee in this town? Have you lost your freak’n mind? Every Council board is chaired by and run by the Democrats. Do you even live in Norwalk? or do you just have no tv and no means of communication with the outside world? Perhaps an outing to city hall would do you some good.

  • 8 plumbers crack // Jun 8, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    no this was a new name listed on the watch list, and the arogance and the mere fact it had to be shoved down the the throats of the school dept and the city was in itself appalling. The next town over got news coverage and prompt attention for the same thing , where in South Norwalk it got the run a round..

    but its ok almost everyone on lincoln street has been arrested since then for everything I suppose with an area like this why would anyone care.Read the court news crime on this street keeps the courts busy,,last night there was a response that brought many cruisers to Lincoln maybe it was just a dry run,,

    this is what i mean no one has a clue of the red tape and how it works just how its suppose to work.

    Its up to us to change the administration

    I take it no one went on line and checked how many listed offenders there were in a three block area? bad for tourism folks….bad for the kids,,you would think the people down there would of seen one cruiser once during the school year..

    oh yes a communication problem as well not too many speak english whose fault is that the parents?

    I’m sorry it seems the solutions are for the people who have what about the have nots?

    the same corner brought an arrest of a diddler on Concord st after he accosted the bus stop children called in by parents, after this incident never one cruiser revisted the scene afterwoods while the children waited for busses all school year,,who are we going to blame next? Thats the stop that had more parents than kids so they did do there part without any support.

    Look in a mirror people it doesn’t get any better!

    and that isn’t all the facts its just the beginning

  • 9 plumbers crack // Jun 8, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    asking if they live in Norwalk is valid #7 but the TV? maybe one should ask if they read the news or have it read to them.

  • 10 Anonymous // Jun 8, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    I just want to know what planet they live on. Apparently they are getting their clueless ideas from some of the clueless posters here. There are elected republican officials who would go above and beyond for the folks in this town, especially the kids and without an agenda, so to say that all republicans are bad is just downright stupid. All this does is stir the pot a little more until the noodles spell down with the GOP. How unproductive is that?

  • 11 Former PTO volunteer // Jun 8, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    #5 Regarding sexual predators, what can the authorties do besides moving bus stops? Do you think that offers protection for our kids? ONce these predators serve their 5 year maximum terms, they have rights as citizens.
    Predators should be locked away from their victims until there is a cure for their compulsive behavior. Right now the jails are filled with low level drug users, who represent a threat to no one. We are paying for them to be housed where they can get any kind of drug and learn to be hardened criminals. The wrong people are locked up–it’s just insane.

  • 12 plumbers crack // Jun 8, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    i agree #11 , the stop in question floods above the sidewalk we are talking water st water, it was less than 100 feet from Klaffs loading dock which by the way was written in the BOE rule book to stay away from for a bus stop and the street is so heavily travelled because Royaton doesn’t want UPS, Emery and DHL, pepperage farm trucks which are there when the kids are waiting for the bus in the morning compounded with the trucks bringing scrap to meadow st and tractor trailors laving the area in the morning these kids didn’t stand a chance.See most residents don’t live in an area that lacks quality of life like that area of the city.

    Not only did this effect 1 bus stop but five busses all using the same stop,,yes I forgot to mention some of the little details just to see what response I would get,,, not from you though I agree with your posting #11

    Now this same corner gets cell phone, seat beltless vehicles every minute of the day, and the bus drivers who didn’t report the ones who went against the bus signals were wrong also . Parents went out in the street to stop cars it was so bad.I can add to the list if one likes all the parents did when they complained with a crowd of school , bus, and police reps on site while the kids were waiting one morning, they got what they wanted minus any more help from safety so I guess where no one got killed or struck this year my accounts mean nothing..i passed this all along for a parent without a computer becuase the story needed to be told.

    so much for calling, reporting it did no good the residents made them ( the officials )stand there in the morning,, and then without any more discussion they gave the kids what they needed but not without a an attitude..

  • 13 turfgrrl // Jun 8, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    plumbers crack: Is the stop in question on the corner of Water st and Burritt?
  • 14 plumbers crack // Jun 8, 2007 at 4:27 pm

    the new stop is there at water and Burritt st. since then then there hasn’t been any problems.

    the old one was Burritt and Lincoln where all the chain link fences have been driven down by cars, today the electric company replaced a snapped pole at the old site as well from an accident its just a bad intersection and the residents all trust its never used again.

  • 15 Aunt Bertha // Jun 8, 2007 at 9:49 pm

    Let’s go back to the original posting…background checks and finger printing the people who volunteer for the school system. That is all well and good but are you going to do all these checks on some of our seniors that subsitute, mentor, or coach? Where does it stop? Who down town is privy to the information collected on individuals? When there have been sexual preditors the Norwalk Police Department has done a GREAT job of informing parents and school administrators on who these people are and where they are taking up residence…they have in the past also included flyers for principals to identify these individuals. I can say every one I have seen dedicating their time to volunteering in our city have been really kind souls and maybe JBP should consider talking to these people to get to know them.

  • 16 Mr Greenpeace // Jun 9, 2007 at 1:35 am

    wow you have to be kidding compromise the safety of my eight kids for what has transpired in the past, the police dept is losing how many of their best men,these are seasoned veterns that cannot be replaced easily.

    32,549,663 illegal alliens in our country out of which there is how many sexual criminals that are undocumented? You then want me to beleive any one agency has a handle on where they all live, work or go to schools with their children for functions and you want me to relax,a simple swing in the playground can be trouble.

    I just don’t want their fingerprints but there DNA as well ,,be serious even if you want to work , help out at a funtion in the Catholic church clergy , worker elder or parent there is at least a sesitivity course that is required,,its the here and now people we have learned to trust no one.

    There has been and will be red flags from now until the end of time get use to it. I don’t doubt kind souls have served in the past but the people who want to take advantage of us will use lax policies to inflict their damage its human nature and surround themselves with dedicated people and not be seen as a threat,,any one ever here it only takes one and if you discourage someone or make it hard for them to commit a crime and give our police dept tools to eliminate people from being a suspect then do it.

    ever see a shooting where there are many people who are herded into a group and one at a time they are released so law enforcment can get a handle on whose who, many of those people are kind souls too but there is elimantion. Why document proof you belong to a group? and if your somewhere else (class trip) how is a NY police officer going to know you belong to a group from Norwalk,, I take it after this policy is rewritten there will be some sort of official card, badge some practical way to identify who you are?

    what is the reason for wanting a tough policy , who does it help, the police, the schools the victims and the kids. Mother always said if you have nothing to hide then go along with it if it helps someone else out including my kids.

    One more question from the top from the original posting if you would,,cake sales was it because we hired a new firm to deliver food to our schools and they also have the ability to sell additional food in the form of cake and cookies to generate money they tried banning cake sales because of a contract clause that sounded like it made sense or was it a red herring?

    I meant no disrespect in this posting but I do look at things differnatly and respect anyone who posts whether I agree or not..

    Mr Greenpeace

  • 17 Mr Greenpeace // Jun 10, 2007 at 10:56 am

    good morning lets take it from the top again but with a new twist,,

    Sunday morning Hour seems to have the same subject on their plate in the way of a AP article, good for them taking a subject and made it front page. “Sex Offenders getting younger”

    I won’t write a novel on this simply read the article and see some of our troubles are not the trusted the good ol souls but the children themselves,,wonder if they have a record it can be given to the schools to share with parent, schools , and police.( I know the answer even without a juris number)

    See the world changes and with it laws do also as pointed out by Dr. Robert Prentky and expert on sex offenders. So if someone suggests to make policy stronger based on what to expect in the future we should not agrue about the past a thing I stress out here all the time. Maybe its time to compromise and not swing at someone because you think from experience you know a better way.

    The policy makers and I don’t mean city hall I mean the schools get information all the time on situations and preventitive measures to counter some but not all incidents that can happen in school.Ok for the synics lets say the policy makers are lucky and for other reasons prevent crime or incidents by accident so what my kids win.

    Of course serving papers is not a pre req for law enforcement of preventive measures people who care does wonders listening to others reasons and going with what sounds good over bitter personality disputes because who you have a hair accross your fanny. ( almost went there its Sunday)

    So lets look at policy and not the ones producing it and figure will it make our kids safe and plan on the future curve balls,,its funny with policy it can be changed without it one can say should of done more,

    ,
    is less better than more, not when your at the market, the gas pumps the sausage vendor,,that takes care of a lot of readers,,but is less safety better than more when it comes to the kids?

    so when I hear stories about over night field trips as like of last week in our schools and incidents , trust me my kids stay right here its not even been addressed here,,,and when was the last time they had a predator watch list at Six Flags,,they will take your admission if your on a vent…or a handfull of puppies.

    Just maybe we will get through the day without any trouble havn’t even got past the front page and I see insight is the key thing the past is helpfull but not always warranted in fighting todays problems.

    again no disrespect but hearing one side of any thought opens up a can of worms if the reader is someone like me,so be it,,I enjoy to rant..

    Enjoy the day I suppose you havn’t heard the last of me today I need to go read and digest my news..

    Mr Greenpeace

  • 18 Mr Greenpeace // Jun 10, 2007 at 11:22 pm

    thank you for finding this post this was high in news value from todays paper

  • 19 Jody Bishop-Pullan not hacking it // Jun 11, 2007 at 6:40 am

    We can only hope that Jody Bishop-Pullan realizes she is either unwilling or incapable of holding Corda’s feet to the fire and actually responsibly doing her volunteer work as Chair of the BOE.

    We are getting nothing rationale from this team.

    It lacks leadership- cowtows to Corda and his crew.

    The Lang commission on downgrading grades and expectations was another fiasco.

    Pay more, get less from the children seems to be our “milk dud” way to responding.

    I know it is “not paid” work so it does not attract much talent- but we need someone with some financial background and some leadership heading up the team.

    Jody BP- start looking for a decent replacement. We can’t take your lack of leadership for another term.

    You are a nice lady; but this is a critical assignment.