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Open Thread, Energy Bill and In-State Tuition Bills Pass


by turfgrrl


June 2nd, 2007 · 41 Comments

So naturally, after 2 years in the making, one has to wonder what’s in it. The Courant has handily provided a list of highlights:

PLANNING

Requires electric utilities to do an annual assessment of the state’s electric system, including whether Connecticut has enough power plants and how to stabilize growing demand on peak days.

EFFICIENCY

Rebates on the purchase of efficient air conditioners, new efficiency standards for a range of products, and an allowance for local governments to provide a property tax rebate for hybrid cars and vehicles that get at least 40 mpg.

Restores $95 million in funding to state conservation and clean energy funds.

Creates a statewide energy efficiency marketing campaign as well as a campaign to promote the use of compact fluorescent bulbs.

NEW GENERATION

Sets up a process under which utilities and private generators can propose new “peaking” power plants to operate at times of high demand.

Includes future state-run processes to fund new power plant construction.

RETAIL MARKET

Requires new voluntary real-time electric rates.

Utilities must provide information on alternative electric suppliers - if they exist - when consumers call to start service, ask about rates or seek information on efficiency programs

Requires utilities upon the request of customers to install advanced meters that track changing electric prices. Funded through rates.

New ratepayer-funded contracts known as “partnerships” with companies that can install technologies to reduce electricity use, especially at times of peak demand

Source: Legislative Staff and Office of Legislative Research

And over in the Senate, after a long debate, the bill that allows the children of illegal immigrants to pay in-state tutition costs at Connecticut public colleges and universities passed the state Senate Friday afternoon.

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  • 1 L'arlequino // Jun 2, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    A new attack by the Hour on another historical organization in today’s editorial page. As usual, they have their facts wrong. I guess checking the accuracy of their statements isn’t something they are too concerned with.

  • 2 itsridiculous // Jun 2, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    One word on the energy bill: DUH!!!
    Two words on the in-state tuition for illegals: It’s ridiculous!

  • 3 itsridiculous // Jun 2, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    L’arlequino. What article and which facts are wrong?

  • 4 L'arlequino // Jun 2, 2007 at 1:35 pm

    Editorial page where a “brickbat” was awarded to the Norwalk Historical Society. The flyers that were being handed out were borrowed from the NHS but the Norwalk Preservation Trust was the group handing them out.

    The Hour has a history of confusing the Historical Society with the Historical Commission (attributing the responsibility for the Rogers-Ritch-Merritt house to NHS), in this case, confusing NHS with the Preservation Trust.

  • 5 Anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    I was told that Chris Handrinos, owner of 93 East Avenue, came out screaming and ranting, calling someone handing out flyers “a bag of sh*t.”

    Freedom of speech on both sides except only one of them was behaving decently.

  • 6 anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 3:49 pm

    Chris Handrinos has had plenty of opportunities to make the Norwalk Inn fit into a colonial district. Instead he fights to turn East ave into a strip mall. Ask anyone whether they want a strip mall in their neighborhood.

  • 7 NWLK taxpayer // Jun 2, 2007 at 4:12 pm

    No one has ever said that Mr.Handrinos wants to turn East ave into a strip Mall. He runs a very nice Inn and Restaurant that people stay at that come to Norwalk on business and vacations. What he is asking is that he be able to use his property for the purpose with which he bought it. It was approved prior to all this mess and now those who would be king wish to deny him his rights as a property owner. If you all want to preserve this property, buy it from him. Buy it at todays rate and make the restorations you feel are necessary. But DON’T use the Memorial Day parade to do what you did. This is morally wrong and disrespectful to our fallen war hero’s and infringes on his rights as a property owner. I am sure had he known what you were planning, the culmination of the parade would never had stopped at his front door.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    Hmm. What’s more disrespectful to our war dead? Screaming and ranting obscenities at someone who is legally and peacefully exercising their Constitutional right to free speech, or someone who is trying to save a piece of property that was defended by American patriots against the British, who were foreign invaders?

    Morally wrong? No, just not what he was expecting, considering he’s basically the mayor’s slumlord. I put my mother up at the Norwalk Inn once and swore I would never do it again after the rude and inconsiderate treatment she received, and this was before the Inn acquired 93 East Ave. I had the displeasure of dealing with Handrinos himself at that time.

    As far as the parade culminating at his door, I am sure very few people were even aware that the NPT was distributing flyers in front 93 East Avenue. There were probably more after Handrinos’ vulgar outburst, though.

    The fact that the parade review stand was in front of the Norwalk Inn instead of City Hall as it has been in the past is only testimony to the tightness of this little man and the other little man, the mayor.

    Moccia should do everything he can to distance himself from Handrinos, because otherwise the sh*t spewing out Handrinos’ mouth will end up fouling the air around City Hall.

  • 9 Anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    The mayor has nothing to do with the staging of the parade. The American legion and the Memorial Day committee makes all the arrangements and runs the parade so once more, instead of blaming the mayor for your stupid little quirks try getting the facts first. Seems as if everything that happens in this town is the fault of the mayor or the Republicans. lease let me know when you peoiple all became Norwalk Saviors. Where the heck were you when permits were awarded and the property was aquired. Freedom of speach is one thing but what you did was dead wrong. Mr. Hindrinos’ behavior is unacceptable as well but why are you blaming the mayor this time?

  • 10 Mr Greenpeace // Jun 2, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    I can only add to all this by saying in mid june there will be a convention at the Inn , with the USS Missouri reps, the ones that were in the front of the parade with the model,,what it means dammed if i know just wanted to get into the fracus,

    what the mayor is responsible for is what happens or what doesn’t happen on his watch,want to be a leader lead by example, every time his picture runs in the paper there should be a article by him,something positive about the city ,,course if that was the case would there be that much to talk about..would there be that many pictures,,

    as far as the freedom of speech isn’t that in part what the parade was all about our freedom , and who we lost getting there,,who we have left after going there,,

    I am so glad we have people out here letting nothing go by, the news is great something for everyone and to think there is freedom of speech here,,

    God Bless you all

    Mr. Greenpeace

  • 11 Watchdog // Jun 2, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    *SIGH*

    God bless Mr. Greenpeace!

  • 12 Anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 8:33 pm

    Thankfully we do have freedom of speach or half the posters here would be in jail. :0)

    Mr. Greenpeace you have great wisdom, but sometimes you just have to understand that some of those who post here have only one common goal and that is to belittle anyone they don’t agree with. Or in most cases those who are not of their political leaning. Some are downright nasty and some are actually clueless. But AHH thank God we have freedom of speach

  • 13 anonymous // Jun 3, 2007 at 10:27 am

    “But AHH thank God we have freedom of speach”

    Actually, I believe it was the authors of the Constitution of the United States that guaranteed us certain liberty, but if you want to confuse that with the subject of a 2000 year old book written in a language that no longer exists, go ahead. I wouldn’t expect anything less from someone who spells a simple word such as “speech” incorrectly.

    P.S. No offense intended. You are probably in the majority with folks who confuse creationism and spirituality with laws of liberty.

  • 14 ENrwlker // Jun 3, 2007 at 10:50 am

    #13 - “Actually, I believe it was the authors of the Constitution of the United States that guaranteed us certain liberty, but if you want to confuse that with the subject of a 2000 year old book written in a language that no longer exists, go ahead … You are probably in the majority with folks who confuse creationism and spirituality with laws of liberty.”

    I guess you’d argue that among those confused folks would be the author of these words, found in the Declaration of Independence:

    “ … to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which THE LAWS OF NATURE AND OF NATURE’S GOD ENTITLE THEM …

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness …

    And for the support of this Declaration, WITH A FIRM RELIANCE ON THE PROTECTION OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

  • 15 Anonymous // Jun 3, 2007 at 11:18 am

    ENrwlker - You’re another flat earther, no doubt. While technology and society are evolving in tune with humankind’s abilities, some people want to interpret 230-year old laws literally.

    So every person should have a gun in their closet, women should stay barefoot and pregnant and out of the workplace, and the Bible should the textbook of choice in our schools.

    Oh yeah, and the next time you want to argue whether evolution is a theory or scientifically valid, I’d like to see you refuse the new flu vaccine next year when this year’s strain has mutated again.

  • 16 ENrwlker // Jun 3, 2007 at 3:53 pm

    #15 - Take a Valium and calm down. I didn’t say anything about evolution. I simply pointed out that Thomas Jefferson — one of the people you harkened back to when you referenced the Constitution — believed (like most of the Founding Fathers) that human rights derived from natural law and ultimately from God. If you want to call Jefferson a yokel, be my guest, but I suspect his intellectual powers substantially exceeded yours.

    Jefferson wasn’t a flat earther (nor am I), but an understanding that human rights and concepts of right and wrong come from elsewhere than science is pretty well established. Science describes what “is”, not what “ought” — haven’t you ever read Hume?

    As for the validity of evolution as theory, I’m convinced (I’ve read several of Dawkins’ excellent books). There is much discussion in science about different views of the PARTICULARS of evolution (Cf. Gould’s writings), but the general theory is not in dispute.

    You acuse me of believeing “every person should have a gun in their closet, women should stay barefoot and pregnant and out of the workplace, and the Bible should the textbook of choice in our schools.” I don’t agree with any of those statements, and if you actually believe in science, you should check your facts before jumping to conclusions so quickly about people you don’t know anything about.

  • 17 Anonymous // Jun 3, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    You quote mightily but spell as atrociously as #9 for such an intellectual. Your references are suspect (anyone can find quotes on the internet now), your assumptions about anonymous #15 and anonymous #13 being one and the same are incorrect, and you are guilty of jumping to conclusions as well.

    As for where human rights come from, your boy George, Wolfie and the rest of the neo-con-artists that are responsible for the disaster in Iraq believe that they come from the barrel of a gun. Ask that question of the human collateral damage there - the civilian population - and they’ll probably quote the Quran, not the Bible.

    Your god to them may very well the devil incarnate. So whose perspective is valid?

  • 18 anonymous // Jun 3, 2007 at 8:16 pm

    #14 - Nice of you to chime in and show the flaw in your logic. You pointed out that the authors of the constitution referred to a God or divinity, but that doesn’t mean that God granted us freedom of speech or guarantees it for us. God didn’t write the constitution. Neither the bible nor other religious documents grant us freedom of speech.

    Many Iranians believe in God (or Allah), can they have this debate in a public forum? (Props again to Turfie)

    And thank you #17, for pointing out that there is more than one Anon. on here.

    I was just having fun with someone who can’t spell speech.

    #13

  • 19 Anonymous // Jun 3, 2007 at 8:34 pm

    #18, I am so sorry for the mispelled word. Please don’t keep me after school. Oh thats right you can’t, Sal and BOE buddies are taking away after school programs. I usually check my errors before hitting send/post. I will be forever greatful to you for catching that.

  • 20 anon // Jun 3, 2007 at 8:43 pm

    Careful #17, in your quest for good spelling skills, you managed to omit a word in your last sentence.

    Damn… doncha just hate being the fool?

  • 21 Anonymous // Jun 4, 2007 at 9:08 am

    I think it’s spelled “dontcha” if you want to be technical.

  • 22 ENrwlker // Jun 4, 2007 at 9:34 am

    #17 and #18 — The best you can come up with is that my typing skills aren’t the greatest? Also, sorry for mixing up one “Anonymous” with another; I don’t have ESP like you evidently do — sometimes I can’t tell the difference (that’s why I use a moniker rather than just “anonymous” for my own postings).

    Collectively, you guys truly must be mind-readers. You have somehow discerned that I don’t believe in evolution, and that I think “every person should have a gun in their closet, women should stay barefoot and pregnant and out of the workplace, and the Bible should the textbook of choice in our schools.” You’ve determined that I didn’t actually read the books I cite, I just got quotes off the Internet. Now you’ve figured out that “George, Wolfie and the rest of the neo-con-artists” are my “boys”. I didn’t even know these things myself! I always thought I agreed with evolutionary theory, believed in women’s rights, would never countenance use of the Bible as the “textbook of choice”, and that I’m not a neocon. I DO support the Second Amendment (though not to the extent of believing there should be a gun in every closet [I don’t own a gun, myself]), but I guess your reverence for the Constitution omits that Amendment.

    And you guys accuse ME of being the believer in the supernatural? Where did you get the supernatural powers that allow you to “know” so much about me, simply because I quoted the Declaration of Independence? You guys are AMAZING!

  • 23 Anonymous // Jun 4, 2007 at 9:47 am

    I’d love to see some three-way bloviating between ENrwlker, Concerned Idjit, and Interested Rowayton Republican. Between them enough BS could be generated to entertain everyone in its own thread.

    Turfie, how about it? You could call it “ConsServeUsCrap Duh-mocracy”.

  • 24 concerned citizen // Jun 4, 2007 at 10:21 am

    Why do we need to bloviate when you do it so well Anon #23? And Mr. Spelling Bee, if your going to call me an Idiot, spell it correctly MORON! A note to you: if it’s CRAP you seek, just look to your own demo-CRAP-ic self. There’s plenty there to fill as many cess pools as you need and then some.

  • 25 Mr Greenpeace // Jun 4, 2007 at 11:09 am

    the wife says if one goes back and fixes spelling it aint a guy, good gramma is sometimes hard to rite when your tackling a subject with such commitment,, bottom line you still get more here than what you pay for at the news stand or city hall…last time i checked I was behind in my subscription here I hope i don’t get shut off I enjoy the fact no matter waht is said here there are facts that simply make the average Joe concerned whether you play minature golf or not,,I truly beleive this site has stopped a lot of crap from happening in our city thats not good for all of us , or good for some of them,,

    yes i have used some energy the subject header above now i should look into some more schooling hate to lose credibilty out here among people no matter what they say for or against my thoughts good caring decent people that I respect , ones who understand one posting can make a differance and all the other postings for me are still interesting if you can’t listen objectively well come to my house and talk to my eight kids no one agrees.

    yes my mother use to say one in every crowd and to this day she is right…

    with fathers day coming kids buy dad a dictionary so he can post out here, they now read this site too! one is doing a report on it,,so yes this site rocks according to class….and has class…..thanks to its creator and contributers for letting me rant its the American way…… the check is in the mail

    Mr Greenpeace

  • 26 Anonymous // Jun 4, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Mr Greenpeace-At least when you post, you do it inteligently and without partisanship. Thanks for some enlightening information. You calls ‘em as you sees ‘em, care to run for office?
    Nah, with 8 kids you have your own council. Then maybe you want a night out or 6 or 7 for that matter. Just think with the salary you could buy cereal for those 8 darlings.

  • 27 concerned citizen // Jun 4, 2007 at 1:29 pm

    Here a wonderful clip for all you silly lying “George Bush lied” crowd out there. For all you conservative and free thinking Dem’s out there, (i.e. Joe Lieberman & Zell Miller) I’m sorry your party have been taken over by this Micheal Moore-on left wing crowd. Enjoy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_CepS8u9wQ

  • 28 Anonymous // Jun 4, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    Flash: Democratic lawmaker William Jefferson D-Louisiana, to be indicted on a dozen counts of corruption charges. Happy now, CC?

    By the way, Republicans are fleeing from George Bush like flies from hardened cowflop since his popularity rate is at 28% now, how long is it going to take you before you can find a fresh pile to buzz around?

  • 29 Anonymous // Jun 4, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    I don’t think GW has the wits to lie. He’s just a pathological liar who thinks he’s telling God’s truth.

  • 30 concerned citizen // Jun 4, 2007 at 1:48 pm

    pop!

    WOW! I think I just heard that pea brain of yous finally implode! And looky, looky here Anonymous Pea Brain (opps! forgot it just blew up!) Uhh, the former Anonymous Pea Brain looks at popularity pols. I guess he would govern like all those lovely two faced democrats in my previous post. That’s right, you dem’s love to govern as a popularity contest. Slick Willie boy Clinton would be Prowd of you. Some people govern by doing whats right and NOT by whats poplular. You dems have constantly lied lied lied until you beleive the trash you spew. The flies won’t have to go far. They only have to go where ever you are speaking former Anonymous pea brain to find a fresh new patch of cow flop extruding from your lips. See! The flies will tell you, it wasn’t hard to find you.

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