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Norwalk: Fodor Farm And Another Public Hearing


by turfgrrl


June 1st, 2007 · 41 Comments

What more can be said about Fordor Farm. I’m not sure. While Matt “Mad Max” Breslow’s article implies there’s then dar wrangling to be had, that’s not quite the case. Fordor Farm will be preserved as mostly open space with the buildings put up for sale as being deed restricted. The only issue is whether to create a historic district, to manage the space, or not. From the NOrwalk Advocate article:

The council has charged the land-use committee with evaluating how to protect the historical integrity of three 100- to 200-year-old homes at Fodor Farm the city plans to sell. One option is creating a historic district; an alternative involves deed restrictions.

The city plans to create four lots - one for each building that will be sold and another for open space - from the 9-acre Flax Hill Road property, which it bought in 1998 to save from development.

The study committee voted to hold a public hearing June 20 on creating a historic district at Fodor Farm. Under the proposal, an architectural review board - possibly a subcommittee of the city’s Historical Commission -Êwould oversee the exterior aesthetics of the buildings at Fodor Farm.

The study committee held a similar public hearing in the fall but then failed to file its report with the town clerk within 65 days, as required by state statute.

In an interview last night, Bryant said an official of the Historic Preservation Council, which is part of the Connecticut Commission on Culture and Tourism, told him the missed deadline derailed the historic district process.

However, Bryant said the official told him the study committee could restart the process by resubmitting the same draft report it previously gave the Historic Preservation Council.

The committee complied, and the Historic Preservation Council again approved the report, Bryant said. The report also was resubmitted to the city’s planning and zoning officials, who gave the same feedback as they did the first time around, he said.

Bryant and other study committee members attended the land-use committee meeting, where Nolin said he did not accept the opinion Bryant received from the Historic Preservation Council official. Nolin said he would heed an opinion overrruling his if it came from the state attorney general’s office or a Superior Court judge.

Otherwise, he said, the Common Council must create a new study committee, which would be appointed by the mayor, to restart the historic district process.

Selling the Fodor Farm properties with deed restrictions would be quicker, Nolin said, although he stressed he was not advocating one historic preservation option over the other.

The public hearing will be held on June 20th.

source: Norwalk Advocate, Committee and city counsel wrangle over Fodor’s fate, By Matt Breslow, June 1, 2007

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  • 1 L'arlequino // Jun 1, 2007 at 8:42 am

    Between statements from the Hour and Consigliere Nolin, I can’t imagine how any kind of historic preservation manages to get support in this town.

    As far as “creating a new layer of bureaucracy” (quoting no-Norwalk-Inn-owner-left-behind proponent Nick Kydes) goes, that’s simply a shell argument for a foregone conclusion that punishes the Norwalk Preservation Trust for trying to save 93 East Avenue, the house that is now undergoing demolition by neglect and by (probably hired) vandalism.

    If Moochie & Co. wanted to truly be good ‘publicans and keep government to a minimum, they wouldn’t be creating fake “Arts Commissions.” Sounds like another layer of nepotistic bureaucracy to me. See thread: “Guest View: Bridgeport City Council Stirs Up Arts Community.”

    Oh, and who would I trust to maintain proper stewardship of historic properties? A city body that is more concerned with maintaining and preserving them - the proposed subcommittee of the Historical Commission - and not a city body that simply wants to efficiently get them off its hands for the best price it can get.

  • 2 anonymous // Jun 1, 2007 at 8:59 am

    L’arleguino - I agree with you. The main benefit of the proposed Historic District is that it will give Norwalk access to more grant $$’s and other subsidies for Fodor Farm and other historic properties in Norwalk. I don’t know why anyone would be against getting free money…

    The mayor gets appoint the HC members, so it would be his people staffing the committee to oversee the property anyway.

  • 3 Alfonso Salazar // Jun 1, 2007 at 9:16 am

    Deed Restrictions, WHAT A JOKE. In this city deed restrictions are only good enough to wipe your butt with, when the city wants to break them, they will find a way. Sooner or later, they will be taken to court and get slammed for a history of breaking deed restrictions.

  • 4 turfgrrl // Jun 1, 2007 at 9:19 am

    L’arlequino: If the case to be made is that a historic district is needed because that is the only way to qualify for grant money, then someone needs to make it. I’m not so sure about that. The argument against “the proposed subcommittee of the Historical Commission” is that the current HC hs been unable to manage the properties it currently oversees. And before this turns into a Sue Gunn issue, let me identify what supporting observations I am using to make that claim.
    1. The Incerto House (or as I usually refer to it the building in the trailers)
    2. The Mill Hill repairs and funding
    3. The missed deadline
    4. The size of the proposed district (3 buildings)

    Maybe its time to take a fresh look at what Ill call the master plan for historic preservation and have come up with a 20 year plan that focuses on what areas, what buildings, what programs, what funding etc can be developed.

    There’s much economic benefit to having historic districts and preservation in general. I don’t think that those arguments get made enough.

  • 5 indiga // Jun 1, 2007 at 9:51 am

    The HC is not the study committee re Fodor Farm Historic District. The missed deadline has nothing to do wtih the HC. It’s an independent committee (formed by Knopp and approved by Council) which screwed up and — although all key people had the report in time — missed by a day or two submitting the report formally to the Town Clerk. Adminstrative error which requires the “restart”.

    The State has approved the district — 3 buildings — so it is not “too small”. The size is dictated by the practical cosideration of one owner right now — the City.

    As a local Historic District, the houses would be sold by the City to people who will live in them. The owners would be responsible for repairs, restoration, and rehabilitaion. No City money. Everything private onwership like any other home in Norwalk. Zoning and all would apply. Subcommittee of HC or other Historic District Committee (volunteers appointed by Mayor and Common Council) would serve as a review board for architectural guidelines as per historic district guidelines (which, by the way, let you paint your house any color you want).

    Again, let me emphasize that the homes would be owned by private citizens who would be paying for the work done on the houses. The HC would not be begging for money to repair or restore as it has had to do for the City-owned properties in its care(like Mill Hill) nor (here we go)would the curator be able to drag out the process as she has done with the repairs to City owned historic properties. Is the difference here clear enough? Fodor Farm would not be city-owned houses.

    Deed restrictions are a joke — and enforceable only if someone hires a lawyer and takes the owner to court. The Norwalk Inn has ignored the deed restrictions on the Inn’s property since the place was built in the 50’s. Ask the City what to do and they say “it’s a private agreement and we can’t enforce.” So much for effectiveness of deed restrictions.

  • 6 Anonymous // Jun 1, 2007 at 11:26 am

    Didn’t the mayor hire someone specifically to apply for grants? Where are the grants? How much is this person being paid? Is this another layer of bureaucracy?

  • 7 Anon // Jun 1, 2007 at 11:52 am

    To indiga, there are deed restrictions between private parties, which have nothing to do with the city. And deed restrictions between the city and a private party. The city has every obligation to enforce those. Are you saying that there are any deed restrictions that the city has imposed that are not being enforced?

    And anonymous, number 6, why pick on the grants coordinator? Having a full time grants department is a good thing for a city. I think Norwalk underutilizes that resource. Maybe instead of criticizing, why not help out by contacting the grants coordinator with areas that should be looked into. The department should pay for itself with moneys brought to the city.

  • 8 Anonymous // Jun 1, 2007 at 11:54 am

    A grants coordinator is just that, someone who looks for, aquires and coordinates grants for the city. She does a great job in aquiring grants that are needed for many projects. If you have questions as to what she has aquired, perhaps you should call the coordinator and ask her for a list of those grants she has secured to date.

  • 9 Anonymous // Jun 1, 2007 at 11:58 am

    I have a better idea: to justify the taxpayer dollars that are being used to support that position, why doesn’t the Mayor’s office publicize what she’s been able to accomplish. Sure made a big enough to-do when she was hired. Or is it that there hasn’t been enough grant money awarded to publicize the achievements?

  • 10 indiga // Jun 1, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    The City has stated that it cannot enforce the deed restrictions that form the “covenant” agreed to between Norwalk Inn and abutting neighbors. The City, however, was also a signatory to the “covenant”. When the fact that the Inn had not/was not complying, neighbors were told (by CIty officials) that they needed to hire an attorney and sue the Inn; that the City could not enforce the agreed to deed restrictions. No neighbors could afford the $$$ it would take to sue.

    Also, the 50’s decision to allow the Inn to build in residential zone contained restrictions and requirements that have been largely ignored by the Inn and the City again has claimed that these are unenforceable.

    The Inn seems to exist in a world where it can ignore rules and no one challenges them. The preservation issue around 93 East Avenue is the first suit that has involved entities outside the City — so let’s see where that goes.

  • 11 turfgrrl // Jun 1, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    What an excellent idea. There should be some sort of update area, on the city web perhaps that tracks the status of what has been applied for. Also maybe an area to suggest grants that might work. I’d like to see a workshop between departments and the grants department about coordinating the application process and soliciting new areas for grant applications. Maybe even including the non profits in the city too. The Mayor did a good job jumpstarting the process and giving it some attention. Acquiring grants for projects in Norwalk is such a smart thing to do.
  • 12 indiga // Jun 1, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    Great idea about the grants, TG. Everybody could get behind making that process work better.

  • 13 turfgrrl // Jun 1, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    indiga: # 9 actually deserves credit for coming up with the publicity angle. Our government can only be as good as we choose to make it.
  • 14 Anonymous // Jun 1, 2007 at 1:25 pm

    Let’s hope someone with the City pays attention to this site.

  • 15 anonymous // Jun 1, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    Norwalk doesn’t have any “Local Historical Districts”.
    It would be easy for Fodor Farm to receive the designation since the city owns all three houses.
    Having at least one “Local Historical District” makes the city eligible for state funding and grants that it is not otherwise eligible for. I don’t know how much $$$ this is, though….

  • 16 Anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    The chances that the City has put their Grants Coordinator to work on that? Fat, slim, and none.

    This admin is only concerned with what benefits them. Deed restrictions, schmeed restrictions. “Fodor Farm” will exist only one day as a fancy title to a cluster development.

  • 17 anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 3:52 pm

    Number 16–The mayor already said Fodor Farm was being preserved as open space. The council already agreed the same. Stop spreading lies.

  • 18 Anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    Fodor farm will never exist as a cluster development. The way it is is the way it will be. The 3 houses will be sold with restrictions. there will be detail to restoration and thyey will meet the guidlines set forth by the City of Norwalk. The remainder of the property will be open space. No building on this land ever. Gardens and walking paths will be what the neighbors and all of Norwalk will be able to enjoy. There is no cause for concern nor misinformtion as to what will happen to this piece of property. This is something that needs to be done sooner than later. To those who believe that grants are easy to come by, think again. The restrictions to most grants are mind boggling. It doesn’t take a day nor a month, it takes months upon months and sometime years before a single grant is awarded. We need to stop making people think that these things are so easily aquired. Its not as easy as you think.

  • 19 Anonymous // Jun 2, 2007 at 4:57 pm

    If the City were making an effort to acquire grants with respect to Fodor Farm, I have a feeling it may help the process. However, it’s not in their interest.

  • 20 Watchdog // Jun 6, 2007 at 5:22 pm

    CC: Alcohol free? Well… I dunno. That may exclude IRR from Rowayton if a bottle of Hennessey is not on hand.

  • 21 Truthfull Taxpayer // Jun 7, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    Deed restrictions DON’T mean anything, why else would the powers that be want them. I remember reading in the Hour last fall about a development in Greenwich built after WWII and had Deed restrictions. The residents were all very upset because a new owner came in and had 200 original trees cut down. There goes the neighborhood.

    Just like the city A$$es at Mathew’s Park! Let’s clearcut the trees to put in a “bike path” which is the size of a road! And then let’s cut down original trees to put in a parking lot when there already was a parking lot! Then we can fill in the parking lot that’s there - because no one really goes to the Lockwood Matthew’s Museum anyway (except to film a movie or go to a party)!

    But all the yuppies’ nannies take the kiddies to Stepping Stones, which is REALLY why the parking lot is being moved.

    The powers that be must think we were all born yesterday or fell off a potato truck. Everyone knows that the powers that be are going to ruin the one building that is the treasure of Fairfield County. They only do for themselves or the “corporate” citizen and to hell with the taxpayers! our government may NOT be transparent but many of us sure can see right through them!

    P.S. I’ve heard that Peter Bondi has dibs on one of the houses.

  • 22 Anonymous // Jun 7, 2007 at 2:32 pm

    The original deed restrictions on Veterans’ Park by the people who donated the property to the City didn’t stop Fred Bondi et al from trying to sneak the mini-golf/ampitheater/water park past the taxpayers.

    Peter Bondi has an interest in one of the houses? I bet it’ll make a great branch operation for the pizza joint down the street on Flax Hill.

    Should have added he and the old man to the list under “Sopranos” in Wednesday’s open thread. What a crew.

  • 23 Anonymous // Jun 7, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    Why are people still ripping on the tree removal at LMM? Wasn’t it all farmland in its heyday? Why is it that people just complain about trees when the LMM can’t afford to be preserved and maintained. Why be upset over a bike path?

    The most glaring problem this town has is putting money back into maintenance. Doug Hempstead has been talking about this for years. The city needs to do something to keep things from falling apart. If they can increase attendance at stepping stones, then we can stop paying to subsidize it.

    Not everything is a damn conspiracy. Things cost money.

  • 24 Truthfull Taxpayer // Jun 7, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Anonymous - They should have been at the top of the list. Big Pussy comes to mind, but isn’t he swimming with the fishes? The kid could play AJ, Jr. without a lick of sense, just sponging off his dad!

    Rumor is that old Fred is going to run for the Council on the GOP ticket! As a lifelong Democrat, I watched him kiss Alex’s A$$ at every Council meeting I ever attended. As soon as Dick took over hizzoner’s throne he started kissing Dick’s A$$. He is the original water-boy, just giving Coffey some tuitoring on how it’s done.

    Maybe that’s why he’s changing parties, not that most of the Dems won’t be celebrating his exit. Maybe that’s why Dick appointed Fred’s kid to the Historical Commission. Talk about Ethics violations. That goes for his son’s best buddy David Park. That would be the ticket - Fred and David for the GOP!

  • 25 Anonymous // Jun 7, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    If Fred runs on the GOP ticket- Betti Bondi should step down and I mean that!

  • 26 Truthfull Taxpayer // Jun 7, 2007 at 4:17 pm

    Anonymous - I guess that you haven’t SEEN the bikepath that is the size of a ROAD. It was originally a PARK with trees original to the Estate now called the Lockwood-Matthews Mansion Museum, until the powers that be turned it into a Circus. Thank God, the A$$es weren’t allowed to put in a Circus Tent last year for rental parties, or there would be no park left in the park.

    The Board of the LMMM hasn’t done much to restore the house in recent years. When the Junior League ran it, they restored the wood on the staircase, various wainscotting throughout the house and the conservatory with volunteers. They also did re-plastering and apinting. The Board is supposed to raise funds for restorations, that is why they are given a preservation or restoration lease.

    Don’t believe the “stories” about the Paramount restoration either, or there is plenty of “stuck-oh” swamp Real Estate in Norwalk you can buy. Anyone who works on films in the Set’s or Scenery Dept. knows that you can get by with a multiple of sins since the camera won’t pick them up. That includes “stapling, nailing, or Duct-taping” fabric to the original wood cornices on the windows and calling them drapes!

  • 27 Anonymous // Jun 7, 2007 at 4:45 pm

    #23 - In case you haven’t taken a look lately, Mathews Park is a park, not farmland. Why are people complaining? Because the work was done with no public input. Also, a huge oak tree was cut down the week before the Norwalk Tree Alliance had an event there.

    As for Stepping Stones, damn skippy the City should stop subsidizing it. I heard it gets more visitors than all the other museums in the city combined.

    And just who is responsible for that butt-ugly arch into the park off West Avenue? It looks like it belongs in the 80’s, not the 21st century. Another closed-door decision by Parks and Rec and Cultcha like the “art” on the weed grown hill formerly known as Oyster Shell Park?

  • 28 Truthfull Taxpayer // Jun 7, 2007 at 5:17 pm

    I do believe that Parks and Rec led by old Fred Bondi had the arch put in at Matthews’ Park. Fred also picked the terrible Art (if you can call it Art) that is in the park. He probably had something to do with Oyster Shell Park too.

    If Parks & Rec has so much money that they can throw it around bying schlock “Art” and turning our parks Vet’s & Matthews) into Circuses we the taxpayers better start demanding the P&R budget be cut. Of course the powers that be could give half the P&R budget to Fred’s kid on the Historical Commission, keeping it all in the “family” so to speak.

  • 29 L'arlequino // Jun 7, 2007 at 5:34 pm

    Interesting point. Where could an accounting of Parks & Rec expenditures be found, as far as the “art” acquisitions go?

  • 30 Keep It Coming // Jun 7, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    Well it has come very apparent that the Democratic machine will not address the issues posted on this blog. It is very clear that they really don’t take the management of Norwalk very seriously.

    The Democrats have stated that the Republicans are attempting to take control of Norwalk. What the Republicans are attempting to do is remove the inept and incompetent from sending the Norwalk into economic failure. Right now the current Government is controlled by what appears to be self serving Democrats. The Democrats have been in power for the last six years and if you look around, nothing has really changed except your taxes going up. Everytime Republicans try to reign in spending, Democrats howl. It’s the schools, it’s cronyism, it’s a conspiracy. How about it’s simply fixing what is so broken? Do you people drive around town, or just sit around complaining all day?

    The Norwalk Democrats say “IT DOESN’T MATTER THAT THE CITY IS FALLING APART”, meaning they are more concerned about trees and who sits on the Historical Commission. However, every bit of evidence they manufacture about failings is about their own people! Oh look its Alex Knopp or Mike Coffey or Fred Bondi or Herb Grant that are bad. The Republicans keep pointing out, TOO MUCH SPENDING WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY, which has been supported with Council and Committee Minutes, public documents and Newspaper Articles. You can’t say that about the Democrats. They are nothing more than unproven statements and hot air.

    The Norwalk Democrats can’t dispute the facts posted on this blog, nor can they, since the truth is painful. They have actually avoided nearly every issue posted on this blog. It is very obvious that the Democratic Machine came to the realization that the problem won’t simply go away, which prompted them to launch personal attacks against their own and against Republicans. Their best defense is to disparage everything in hopes of redirecting the attention away from their total failures.

    So please Norwalk Democrats, keep on posting here about how you hate your Democrats on the council. You don’t want to manage Norwalk, you want to have pack it up in trailers and let it rot away because building something up is much more work.

    The people of Norwalk see what you want. And they will choose people who show how to run a city, not run it into the ground.

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