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Open Thread: Rell Outfoxes Dems and Youth is for the Young


by turfgrrl


May 10th, 2007 · 27 Comments

Someone in the comments asked for the posting of the youtube clip on the bill to allow 17 year olds to vote in primaries if they would be 18 on election day. The bill runs counter to my unified age theory, not to be confused with Einstein’s unified theory. In my unified age theory, I believe that one age, 18, should serve as the legal age for everything. Thus at 18, you can vote, you can sign a contract, you can drink, you drive, you can get drafted, you can get tried as an adult. This greatly simplifies laws all geared towards “re-deciding” where adulthood lies.

In related news, State Supreme Court Justice Chase T. Rogers said to an AP reporter that she backs a bill to return 16- and 17-year-olds back into the juvenile courts and out of adult court. Chief Justice Rogers is right on target with that. From the Courant:

Chase T. Rogers, the newly minted chief justice of the state Supreme Court, said Wednesday she backs a legislative proposal to move 16- and 17-year-olds out of adult court and back into the juvenile system.

Rogers said the state’s juvenile courts can handle the influx of teens if the judicial branch gets the necessary funding from state lawmakers.

“It makes sense to me that the juvenile brain is different - and that’s one of the primary driving factors on this - that they should be treated differently than adults,” Rogers said during an interview with The Associated Press.

Some lawmakers have pushed for several years to change the law. Connecticut is one of three states that always treat 16-year-olds as adults in court. Ten states begin treating teens as adults at 17 years old; 38 states at 18 years old, said Rep. Michael Lawlor, D-East Haven, co-chairman of the legislature’s Judiciary Committee.

Under the bill before the legislature this session, prosecutors would still be able to transfer any felony case involving a juvenile to adult court.

“I think there’s a total head of steam behind it,” Lawlor said of the bill. “Her support probably seals it.”

Meanwhile Rell has shown a nimble flair for outmaneuvering Democratic legislators. Behold the mastery of the “My budget is better than yours because we don’t need an income tax increase.”

In a stunning turnaround, Gov. M. Jodi Rell said Wednesday that state tax revenue is so robust that the legislature can pass a budget this year with little or no tax increase.

Rell told reporters that she is considering dropping her proposed income tax increase, which has been heavily criticized by Republicans and fared poorly in a poll released Wednesday by Quinnipiac University. Only 16 percent of those surveyed said they supported Rell’s original plan to increase the state income tax by 10 percent over the next two years.

Rell’s change in tone followed the release Wednesday by the legislature’s nonpartisan Office of Fiscal Analysis of new figures that showed state revenue coming in far faster than expected. Overall, the state is projected to collect $627 million more in revenue than originally estimated. The new projected surplus is $846.8 million for the fiscal year that ends June 30.

Of course, credit belongs to Larry Cafero’s House GOP who outflanked both Rell and the Democrats with their version of no new tax increases. From a a political maneuver, brilliant.

But from a policy standpoint, all proposed budget plans suffer the same fundamental revenue flaw. As long as Connecticut operates on what I can only charitably describe as “Enron Accounting” practices, all the rosy projections of increased revenues are not worth the paper they are forecast on. The reason is one of the legislature not adopting GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles), which basically require in this case out government to only book revenue when it is actually received. Connecticut instead, books revenue based on anticipated collection, which as we all know can differ wildly from actual collections. To her credit State Comptroller Nancy Wyman has been pushing for GAAP for years. But the Democratic controlled legislature has been busy focusing on spending money or creating bills like the “17 year olds vote in primary” that take time away from moving Connecticut government into the 21st century. The GAAP proposals die each year. A reason is that it allows both the Governor and the Legislature to spend future revenue instead of revenue at hand. The result is that the same future revenue can get spent multiple times because there is no financial control in place.

So silly bills get more attention than serious bills.

Here now the video clip that was posted on MyLeftNutmeg.com:

source: Courant, AP INTERVIEW: New chief justice backs bill returning teens to juvenile court, May 10, 2007

source: Courant, Rell Reconsiders Tax Hike, By CHRISTOPHER KEATING,, May 10, 2007

Tags: CT House · In the News

27 Responses so far “Open Thread: Rell Outfoxes Dems and Youth is for the Young”



  • 1 Jen // May 10, 2007 at 10:31 am

    Turf: I enjoy your work-however, I have to disagree with the way you framed this issue.

    1. This Youth Bill is not silly- if you are going to ask young people to come out and vote- why deny them that right! Remember the days when women were not allowed to vote and/or African-Americans. Every political group in America is trying to get young people involved in the process- not deny them.

    Every year both McMahon and Norwalk High sends high school students to work in both Democratic and Republican HQ. These students are a big help and most are around 16-17 years old. I remember during the election- Cafero had some of these same students passing out his palm card.

    So according to the Norwalk GOP -you can make phones calls, stuff letters, pass out palm cards but you can not vote for me. What a joke?

    2. Calling the GOP plan brillant- this is a silly stunt. Larry Cafero may be the leader of the “fighting 44″- but it has not worked out for the citizens of Norwalk. After 13 years in the House- more time on the job then Duff, Perrone and Bruce Morris added together- nothing. The speaker Amann says he his shocked that Larry Cafero get re-elected when he brings home”becon bits”.

    3. Larry Cafero ran- on a platform -more money coming back to Norwalk- if he got elected leader of his caucus. After seven terms- Larry still hides behind- the democrats control the house.

    4. Hey what does GW Bush say “fool me once”.

  • 2 anon // May 10, 2007 at 10:53 am

    Jen the issue is frivolous. Laws are laws, and at 18 you get rights as an adult. Until then you are not an adult. I like Turfy’s explanation.

  • 3 Activist Judge // May 10, 2007 at 11:01 am

    By federal law (10 U.S.C., 510), the minimum age for enlistment in the United States Military is 17. I guess our soldiers who enlist at that age and are fighting in Iraq can die for our country but if they want to have a say in why they’re there, too bad.

  • 4 anon // May 10, 2007 at 11:06 am

    And you can drive a car at 16 but can’t have a say on that either.

  • 5 Activist Judge // May 10, 2007 at 11:38 am

    Just to clarify, Turfgrrl: are you saying you endorse the idea of a draft?

  • 6 Concerned Citizen // May 10, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Dear Jen… on your points:
    #1, Just because High School Students help at Democratic & Republican HQ’s, doesn’t mean they are entitled to vote. While I would commend the students to get involved in the election process and get involved, an age “cutoff” is necessary. The way your comment comes across to me is that if a 14 year old wants to volunteer at a party HQ, then that 14 year old should be able to vote since he/she is “involved”. THAT is a joke.

    #2,Larry Cafero has worked hard for ALL Norwalkers, that is why he is elected time after time. To say that he hasn’t is just your opinion. Duff, Perrone & Morris have the priviledge of having their party leader, Amann, as the head of the state legislature. So bear with me here, If Amann can say Cafero brings home “bacon bits” to Norwalk, then what is he saying about Duff, Perrone & Morris who also are bringing home the same “bits”? Why doesn’t he “call them out” (Duff, Perrone & Morris) as you’ve put. I guess Amann, no excuse me, Not I guess, THE FACT is Amann will not berate his own party members. So of these 4 legislators, Amann picks out the lone Republican and says he alone is responsible for not bringing home the bacon?? How Convienent. While he has no mention of Duff, Perrone & Morris?? NOW THAT IS A JOKE! You also seem to think that because he has been there longer that the 3 Dem reps I mentioned, these 3 are “excused”. Why is that? Believe it or not, You don’t get an “extra” vote for every year you in the senate like you collect added vacation days at a job. Duff, Perrone & Morris have the same One Vote Larry gets - and they haven’t brought home any “bacon” at all. Which brings me your comment
    #3)For some reason, you don’t want to believe that if the Dem’s control the house, then they have final say over the monetary allocations. Larry DOES stand by “the Democrats control the House” as you stated. Last I looked at the dictonary, “In Control” means to be IN CHARGE. So Jen, If the DEM’s are “in Control”, “in Charge”, then Why has Duff, Perrone & Morris Failed to have THEIR ruling party heads send some “BACON” to Norwalk? Amann is pulling a cheap political stunt to try to single out Cafero for not bringing any money to Norwalk, when in fact it is he himself and HIS party that will not send the “bacon” to Norwalk. Hypocrite is the word that suites Amann Best. Now, I’ve called Amann out! As for “fool me once”, Amann doesn’t fool me at all.

  • 7 Jen // May 10, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    Concerned Citizen: Did you watch the video that the young democrats put out? Cafero sounds like John Kerry- I voted for the bill - before I voted against it. ( Flip- Flop)

    Amann is not a liberal democrat- in fact he supported Joe L. in the Nov election. Amann called Cafero “out” because Larry has a big mouth and does not do anything!

    Why are you passing the buck? Larry is a so called powerbroker- he has direct access to the governor and leads 44 fighting republicans.

    He needs to “SHOW US THE MONEY”

  • 8 dem4life // May 10, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    The Dems budget plan offers a tx cut for the middle class. Neither Republican plan does. Bob Duff has been in office since 2002, Chris Perone since 2004. Before Duff and Perone it was Alex Knopp. Morris is a rookie, but Joe Mann held the seat before him. None of these mentioned has managed to bring home the bacon. None.

  • 9 turfgrrl // May 10, 2007 at 6:36 pm

    Jen: 1. Reread my unified age theory. One age for everything
    2. The GOP plan was smart politics. They outmaneuvered the House Dems. And Cafero was instrumental in moving the Governor off the income tax hike. So what’s not to like. Every-thing’s a negotiation.
    3. All the State Reps candidates ran on bringing back more money, or reforming ECS funding. You can cut and paste that campaign promise for every election prior form both sides. It’s fine and dandy to call out that candidate X didn’t deliver, but you are opening up your Dem delegation to the same charge. Not smart politics.
    4. Why quote George Bush?
  • 10 turfgrrl // May 10, 2007 at 6:38 pm

    Activist Judge: No I’m not endorsing a military draft. I should have said selective service registration. My point was about the separation of being a legal adult and a child. Under 18, you are legally a child. I’d like to see all the laws that move that definition around to suit political agendas rolled back.
  • 11 indythinker // May 10, 2007 at 6:48 pm

    No matter how much we want our state reps to bring home the bacon, its not gonna happen. There are too many lifers in hartford who bring it on home to other parts of the state. By electing one party each and every year, the same people vote on the same thing in the same way. There is no balance in Hartfor and until there is Norwalk and its surrounding towns will get less than bacon bits. I have to say though someone said something about the other reps up there and they are right, the dems control the house so these guys have a leg up when it comes to getting some recognition for us. why are they not doing their job?

  • 12 Jen // May 10, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    Turf: If the Norwalk delegation does not produce- it is up to the voters to decide on their re- election.

    In fact Fred Wilms ran on this issue- who is better then a banker to bring money back to Norwalk- or something like that. Remember, the picture with Jodi Rell.

    Let’s start with the longest serving member (Larry Cafero). He hides behind the excuse that the Democrats control the House- therefore- he can not be effective. (Boring)

    Mr. Cafero had a safe seat for years and no one ever questioned him. Now citizens are holding him to his word - and you have a problem with that?

  • 13 turfgrrl // May 10, 2007 at 10:36 pm

    Jen: Larry is doing a fine job. Sure the voters will decide. And in an election year that had Democrats sweeping out Republicans all over the country, Larry won his seat. All that Lamont money and canvassing did squat for Paulson. Meanwhile, young progressive candidates like Kim Fawcett, and William Tong won Republican held seats. So you want to spend the next 18 months pointing out that Norwalk gets nothing from Hartford? Go ahead. But that message you are spreading also applies to your incumbent Democrats too. And I’m sure they’ll be really happy having to deal with that issue as a friendly fire casualty.
  • 14 Jen // May 10, 2007 at 11:49 pm

    Turf- I have the highest respect for you- but defending Larry Cafero.

    1. 13 years and the ECS has not changed.

    2. Nobody questioned Larry for years- until young democrats moved into his district.

    3. Can citizens of the 142nd hold Larry to his word?

    4. The “Show Us The Money Tour” is a 142nd movement and we plan to meet with leaders in Hartford to find out - why Mr. Cafero does not bring home the money!

    What is wrong with that?

  • 15 indythinker // May 11, 2007 at 7:03 am

    Jen, you might want to ask Knopp,Mann,Clemmons and the rest of those former reps, why they didn’t bring it home either. These shortcomings didn’t happen yesterday. Knopp was a state rep for 15 years, can someone tell us what he did for norwalk except run for mayor 2x and then leave us with a big mess. Stole files, hid wrong doings, ignored complaints and stacked all the boards and commissions with his buddies after getting rid of all republicans. We have 2 republican state reps and 2 democrat state reps as well as 1 senator that are democrats so why are you circling in on Cafero? Doesn’t look like the others are doing anything that would benefit Norwalk. Perhaps you should look at the makeup of the state house of reps and see how that is stacked. There are only 44 republicans so how can you blame them for the mess up there? Someone or should I say many someone’s are voting to remove Norwalk and its surrounding areas from the equation. You might want to contact your own party for some answers.

  • 16 turfgrrl // May 11, 2007 at 7:15 am

    Jen: You can do whatever you want. I think its a losing political stunt. If you really were concerned about Norwalk getting more money from Hartford, you’d be using that energy to encourage our entire Norwalk delegation to work together and along with the delegations from other fairfield county towns, like Stamford and Fairfield to form a block of votes that will actually effect change. It’s criminal that Norwalk doesn’t get more money from the state, but one state rep one vote strategy isn’t working and hasn’t worked.
  • 17 anon // May 11, 2007 at 7:27 am

    Good answer Turf, perhaps next time around we should start looking at electing state reps that will go up there and shake things up a bit instead of holding photo ops and press conferences they might really start working for Norwalk.

  • 18 anon // May 11, 2007 at 8:22 am

    This is for Jen- If you would like to contact the members of the State of Connecticut
    GENERAL ASSEMBLY
    Education Committee
    2007

    http://www.cga.ct.gov/ED/ContactInfo2007.pdf

    Perhaps you can get some answers from them

  • 19 Jen // May 11, 2007 at 8:23 am

    Turf : When some democrats accuse your site as tool of the GOP (a political stunt)- I defend your work- However, yesterday defending Larry Cafero and his votes gives weight to their complaints.

    1. Why our movement is not a political stunt?- Larry was re-elected a few months ago- still time for him to correct the ECS problem and bring back the money to our community. Not a election year- for Larry!

    2. The Hartford Gods are carving out the money as we speak- so why cant the citizens put pressure on Larry to show us the money?

    3. The speaker Amann called Mr. Cafero “out” on this very issue. It was Amann who decided he would not target Larry’s seat. Why, because Amann supported Joe L. over Ned Lamont and need the Republicans to vote for him- if democrats- wanted to bolt.

    Larry begged Amann not to drop the hammer on him. If the house dems wanted to pick up this seat- we would be looking at Rep. Paulson from 142nd.

    Larry is very weak and his support is trending downward.

    # 15 Indythinker - you would blame Knopp -if the Yankees got rained on. Get real!

  • 20 anon // May 11, 2007 at 8:36 am

    Jen, Cafero does not sit on the education committee. Are you just not getting it? Perhasps you will note that the dems outweigh the repubs on every committee in hartford. get real! You don’t defend anyone all you do is discredit the republicans time and time again and you don’t even have your facts straight. Why don’t you run for office and see what you can do with a lopsided legislative body!

  • 21 Jen // May 11, 2007 at 8:52 am

    Anon- Thanks for the list above. Larry not serving on the education committee seems odd for a former board of education member- and current officer with the schools. Since he is Republican leader- he picks the republicans who do serve.

    If I ran for office- it would not take me 13 years to bring the money back home.

    Who would hire someone to work 13 years without results? I know the citizens of Cranbury, Silvermine , and Broad River- are tired of Mr. Cafero passing the buck.

  • 22 dem4life // May 11, 2007 at 9:12 am

    Jen,

    Turfy is right, you are trashing Dems when you put out lines like “If I ran for office- it would not take me 13 years to bring the money back home.” Larry has been ineffective, no doubt. But you are painting him with the same brush that applies to our guys as well. Don’t think that any Dem seat is safe enough here in Norwalk.

  • 23 anon // May 11, 2007 at 9:29 am

    Once again jen, you are wrong. The majority chooses who is on what committee and the Dems have the majority. Dems rule the house and therefore they need to start working for Norwalk. Cafero has done a lot of good in his 13 years and people have shown that by electing him over and over again. Amman is just another big mouth who thought he could get rid of Cafero bcause he was up for house minority leafer and Amman did not want that to happen. Tell me what Amman has done for CT? Pleae find me one big accomplishment that he has done on his own.

  • 24 Jen // May 11, 2007 at 10:15 am

    Dem4life- Did you watch the Cafero- Ryan Flip Flop video?

    I was responding to anon 20 “Why dont you run for office”.
    Remember the local GOP attacks “our guys” all time. Our movement to Dump Cafero is a response to 13 years of nothing.

    Taxes are going up - and Mr. Cafero makes the news for blocking young people from voting. Are you kidding me?

  • 25 Anonymous // May 11, 2007 at 10:29 am

    Jen - Keep up the posting, someone has to provide a counterpoint to the bias on this blog. If Dems and Independents don’t speak up, the Republicans will control the debate. This blog is skewed but fortunately Turfgrrl won’t censor the postings. I am sure a lot of the rabid Republicans would love to see her do that.

  • 26 NorwalkRepub // May 11, 2007 at 11:02 am

    #25-You are so wrong, more dems than repubs post on this site and I see alot of middle of the roads as well. In your inference that Republicans would like to see this site censored, you couldn’t be farther from the truth. Anyone who knows turf, knows she speaks her mind, right or left she’ll tell ya like it is, or at least her stand point on it and I don’t see her censoring this site any time soon. Debate is good and useful when not done in a derogatory manner. Everyone has a right to their opinion and we have seen some pretty wild ones here. But its all good. If you want to make a difference, run for office.

  • 27 Jen // May 11, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    Thanks Anon #25.

    Why does Larry keep getting elected? Simply, no one highlighted his record on education funding, healthcare, and voting rights. Most dont know that Larry is the leader of the Neo CONMEN.

    The man who meets GW Bush at the airport when Air Force One - lands in Connecticut.

    Cafero is so right- wing he makes Moccia and McQuaid look like they are from the Green Party. Not really, but you get the point!

    Republicans agree that Larry Ca- Zero dollars has not produced for his district. The local GOP plan for defending him is to pass the buck -it does not make sense.