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Shays: Still Convinced Terrorists Sit Around Watching Fox News


by turfgrrl


May 9th, 2007 · 61 Comments

Every time a Republican trots out the tired line that whatever happens in Congress “emboldens” terrorists, I realize that its not just beer consumption that kills brain cells, its time spent in the Republican caucus in Congress. Today, after what, 18 trips to Iraq, where undoubtedly Shays has seen first hand that the 2 hours of electricity that Iraqis get is put ot better uses than watching television, Shays delivers another dumb statement.

“It’s almost like my Democratic colleagues want us to fail,” U.S. Rep. Christopher Shays said of a Democratic Iraq war funding proposal Tuesday, “like they got elected because of the war and now they’ve got to have that final blow.”

House Democratic leaders briefed members Tuesday of their majority party on the temporary funding measure that would fund $40 million for the war and other high-priority projects. If approved, Congress would vote on continued war funding mid-summer.

Shays, R-4, said the plan, proposed last week, gives “the terrorists a huge incentive to make things so bad by July that we basically give up.”

First, the Bush administration has failed. It succeeded militarily in 2003, and promptly failed subsequently by failing to identify and execute a plan that would accomplish anything other than the endless occupation that we are now mired in. Not having a plan to measure progress in is the real failure, and that failure falls squarely to the Bush administration. Not all Republicans are stupidly suggesting that we are giving up by requiring that progress be codified. From Juan Cole:

Not only is Republican congressman from Ohio, John Boehner, leaning toward setting benchmarks for progress in Iraq– this approach seems to have been endorsed by Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, as well. The point is that benchmarks for progress imply that a policy can succeed or fail, unlike Bush’s policy in Iraq. For Bush, there are only two settings, “slow progress” and “progress.” 300 hundred people slaughtered in a single day? That’s “slow progress.” Since there are only these two settings, there is never any reason to change policy, since whatever happens yields “progress,” even if it “isn’t as fast as we would like.” That things have for four years been spiralling down into the Night of the Living Dead is precluded by BushRove’s rhetorical strategy, which is almost never challenged by the press. But benchmarks? Then you could get “no progress” or even “things are getting worse.” And the further implication is that there is going to be a plan B. The Republicans in Congress have two choices at this point. Let Capt. Bush take them down to Davy Jones’ locker in 08, or work with the Dems on a plan B.

Yet if you read the Hour article, either Boehner is flip flopping, or there’s the partisan political game that continues to be played out, as if the Bush administration hasn’t managed to make the Harding administration to look like a beacon of responsible government.

From the Hour:

Shays announced last August his support for a timeline to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq. Any withdrawal date should be based on the time necessary to train Iraqi security forces, he said.

But the congressman said last fall he was stymied in his efforts to devise a timeline by an uncooperative Pentagon. This year he has said it is not the Congress but President Bush who should set a date for withdrawal.

Speaking from Washington Tuesday, Shays said military commanders need until September to determine whether a surge of nearly 30,000 troops, most in and around Baghdad, is working.

Shays said he is not judging the surge by whether violence is completely eliminated.

“If we still are having to deal with a tremendous confrontation in Baghdad between Sunnis and Shias then we’re not succeeding,” Shays said. “But if they go into a market and blow up a bus, if that were the basis, then you’d be having Israel shut down.”

Well on further comment, Shays has flip flopped on the whole timeline issue too. The reality is that every time significant progress in Iraq has occurred, a deadline was set. Whether it was writing the Iraqi constitution or the election of a the parliment it came because there was a push to a deadline. Even the president has acknowledged this, to a group of conservative reporters last October:

QUESTION: Isn’t the big problem with the Iraqis that they’re so into brinksmanship, that the political breakthroughs we have are when we force deadlines on them, and that they let the deadlines pass and they wait until the train is about to hit them —

THE PRESIDENT: Yes.

QUESTION: — and when you say that Iraq is the central front in the war on terror, they know you’re not going to abandon the central front in the war on terror, so they think, okay, well, we’ll wait a while.

THE PRESIDENT: That’s that arc that [Gen. George] Casey talks about, about how fast do you push, push them out without us, but if you push too fast, does it not achieve our objective. First of all, part of this is a brand new experience for these guys. I was with the man from the Dominican Republic, President Fernandez, and we were talking about Cuba. And he said, just remember it takes a while for democracy to take hold. And I said, yes, okay, no kidding. We’re used to it. But we are really — we are working through a lot of serious issues, kind of psychological issues with these folks, as well as what it means to actually build consensus. So it’s a relatively new experience for them. The Maliki government has been in office for five months. And one of the troubles I have to deal with is the [Larry] Kudlow impatience factor. [Kudlow was one of the journalists attending] Seriously — not just you, Kuds — but it is a world that is like, instant, things have to happen.

QUESTION: You’ve also got your own term problems.

THE PRESIDENT: Believe me, I understand. Two years is a long time. Last year was a long year. (Laughter.) Believe me, it’s a long time.

But let me finish here. Part of the benchmark is precisely to create that sense of purpose for this government to have something to aim for. There’s nothing worse than to watch the government formation — we thought we had the government in like March, wasn’t it? And then we got it in June. And it was just an agonizing period. I’m sure you head bangers were just unbelievably frustrated with what’s going on, where are you.

And I understand that. And old Zal [Khalilzad] is a great ambassador because he’s patient in the sense that he understands there this dance that they go through. But I believe they’re getting more crisp in their decision-making. That’s one of the interesting things about Maliki, he appears to be a decision-maker. He doesn’t like it when he’s pushed too hard. You see blowbacks occasionally. Today he didn’t like it when there was an action taking place in the Sadr City. He didn’t like it because it caught him by surprise. Presidents don’t like surprises. But he appears to be a crisper decision-maker and a follow-through guy. That’s the whole purpose of the benchmarks, is to have — okay, you said, you’re going to do this now, let’s start getting some decisions made. So, precisely, you picked up the whole purpose of it.

source: The Hour, Shays: Give troop surge time to work, By PATRICK R. LINSEY, May 9, 2007

source: National Review, Should We Be So Dead-Set Against Deadlines? by Byron York, May 8, 2007

Tags: Foreign Policy · In the News

61 Responses so far “Shays: Still Convinced Terrorists Sit Around Watching Fox News”


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  • 1 Ronnie Raygun // May 9, 2007 at 7:57 am

    Oh… Turfie! Can it be? Do I detect some truly objective analysis of the RepubliCON leadership? I think I’m in love!

    You gonna have some ’splainin to do when Concerned Idiot, Enrwlker and the other trolls get wind of this, Lucy!

  • 2 concerned citizen // May 9, 2007 at 8:34 am

    Hey Ronnie, I always respect Turfgirls comments, even if I don’t agree with them. You on the other hand, are nothing but a leftwing nut who hates anything that is not DemoCRAPic. It’s people like you who harm our soldiers. I have family and friends in Iraq and they DON’T tell the same leftist B.S that spews from the mouths of treasonous cohorts like Pelosi, Reid, Murtha & you. Hey Ronnie dear, why don’t you put that Raygun in your mouth and pull the trigger, so we don’t have to listen to your verbal flatulance anymore. And who knows, maybe once your putrid gases have ceased escaping into the atmosphere, we won’t have to worry about global warming anymore. So how about it Ronnie, save the world and pull the trigger, for the childrens sake.

  • 3 Anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 8:49 am

    So concerned, if Turffy is saying a timeline is needed, and that’s what Peolosi, Redi and Murtha are saying, are you saying that Turffy is treasonous?

  • 4 anon // May 9, 2007 at 9:11 am

    Asking Concerned to have a rational dialogue would be like asking a fart bubble to smell like a rose… good luck.

  • 5 ENrwlker // May 9, 2007 at 9:32 am

    Asking people to engage in “rational dialogue” with people like “Ronnie Raygun” who start off the discussion by calling people who disagree with him “trolls” is a bit unfair, #4. “Ronnie” has no interest in rational discussion, just shouting.

  • 6 concerned citizen // May 9, 2007 at 9:38 am

    Dear Anon, Not at all, I know turf and we can have civil diaagreements. I don’t believe in a drop dead date to evacuate Iraq like the left do. Even your moderate dem’s in congress agree. I would like to see more Iraqis take greater control on the ground in Iraq and have our troops there as a back-up presence. They could provide logistical support, air support, and eventually peace keeping support. To up & go now or in the near future would be disasterous not only to the region but to the lives of every Iraqi that hopes for a better future. Look, the insurgents in Iraq want us out and are waiting for us to buckle. The rantings of the peole I mentioned embolden these Terrosits to contintue their acts of terror, thinking if they persist, we will cave in like the Spaniards did after the terror attack on their train system. Remember how they pulled their troops after they were attacked? This is what the insurgents see and hearing the defeatist rethoric of Reid & Co. only makes them want to fight us more, thus inflicting more harm on our troops by using their cowardly attacks. Look at how they attack not only soliders but the innocents - wiring CHILDREN with bombs, boo-be traping corpses with bombs, beheadings, mass executions by insurgent disguised as Iraqi soliders, and so on. Isn’t it funny how these libs want us to aid the people in Dafur or Kosovo to save these innocents from ethnic cleansing, but they want us to leave the innocent Iraqis who want nothing more then the freedoms we have, to these disicable thugs who kill children?? I’m sure you’ve seen the very graphic begining to “Saving Private Ryan”, when they attacked on D-Day. Can you imagine what Reid & Co. would of said then? In WWII we found concentration camps of the most extreme inhumane conditions and even worse horrors. Haven’t we found Mass Graves containing THOUSANDS of men, women & Children in Iraq?? hOW CAN anyone IN GOOD CONSCICIOSNESS ignor this?? We are the greatest nation on this earth protecting freedom. If not us, then WHO?? We didn’t turn our backs on the Jews in WWII, the innocents who were slaughtered in Kosovo and now cries to save te people of Dafur. Well what about the Iraqis?? Do we pull a Neville Chamberlin, retreat & stick our heads in the ground and pretend these people will be OK?? If history has taught us anything, its that history repeats itself. We must always face inhumanity head on - nip it in the bud or it will grow to something worse. Did you see on the news the last few days how Hamas is using a MICKEY MOUSE character to teach their children how to hate and kill Jews & Americans? Don’t you think these innocent children are being brain washed to learn to kill us in the name of Allah? They might very well grow up to be the next wave of 9/11 murders? Do you understand where I’m coming from now. We need to finish the Job in Iraq. And should we succeed, neigboring countries whould see hospitals, universities and a better way of life in Iraq and then desire the same for themselves. But it has to start somewhere..and it’s in Iraq.

  • 7 concerned citizen // May 9, 2007 at 9:41 am

    And #4, I have NO desire to “sniffing” you. A Fart bubble by any other name is still a fart bubble (aka Anon #4)

  • 8 concerned citizen // May 9, 2007 at 9:57 am

    And also Moron #4, I didn’t start this blog like Ronnie dimwit did by calling me, ENrlker and others, Idiot & Morons…I for one won’t take crap from any lib. You reap want you sow jackass.

  • 9 Trolls // May 9, 2007 at 11:43 am

    A troll on a message board is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages. If the show fits —

  • 10 Concerned Citizen // May 9, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    Sorry I didn’t take out my dictonary for the word “troll” . Did I need to look up the word “idiot” too that Ronnie dimwit wrote on the FIRST POST?? or will I just see your face plastered next to the word. If the show fits…Yes Indeed!!

  • 11 Watchdog // May 9, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    Dear Fellow Posters:

    I’m all for freedom of speech, but I think it best if some of us keep focus of the fact that we are guests on Turfgirl’s blog. The intentions behind this blog are commendable, and we are fortunate to have it as a community resource. I doubt if Turfie ever thought it would be as successful as it has become in a very short period of time. From time to time I’ve noted Turfie’s occasional reminders about how to respond on her blog. I have also noted that Turf will rarely remove a visitor’s comment because she truly believes - that much - in an open forum.

    Please… Let’s try to remember those simple rules about being a guest. Wipe your feet, keep them off the furniture, and remember to present opinions that generate respectful debate.

  • 12 ENrwlker // May 9, 2007 at 12:38 pm

    Trolls — thanks for the clarification. If a “troll” is one who “intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages”, then you would designate Ronnie Raygun (with the initial “Idiot” post) and #4 (”fart bubble”) as trolls, correct?

  • 13 Concerned Citizen // May 9, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    When Anon #3 asked me a question, I politely gave a response to his/her question in #6 with no derogatory language. However, I will Never Take Crap like the language from Ronnie Dimwit and let her get away with it. As I said, you reap what you sow.

  • 14 hitcow // May 9, 2007 at 1:14 pm

    Shays like most republicans need terrorists. You need to keep the population scared, so you win elections.

    Winning an election is the only way republicans can screw the poor and gays. You can not have gays running around, otherwise they might increase property value too much.

    So scare everyone, to suppress everyone. 1984.

  • 15 anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    Pretty interesting that none of the right-wingers here have any valid defense of Shays besides ranting and raging.

  • 16 ENrwlker // May 9, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    Shays is a liberal Republican who supports gay rights. Anyone who thinks he is a “right-winger” has to be so far out in left field themselves that they’re in foul territory.

  • 17 anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 1:41 pm

    There’s only one winger that I see posting here. While TG has her GOP fan club, she also has a fan club from the middle and from the Dem side. That’s what makes the comments here compelling.

  • 18 hitcow // May 9, 2007 at 1:44 pm

    Says supports a republican controlled house that tried to pass an admendment for marriage. He is not progay. He just will not spit in your face directly.

  • 19 anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 1:48 pm

    Shays has done nothing for his district in over 10 years. Call him what you want party-wise, performance-wise he’s a do-nothing.

  • 20 Concerned Citizen // May 9, 2007 at 1:58 pm

    Enwlker is right… Shays is a Left wing republican. He is not the ideal choice of many Republicans, but what’s the alternative..Farrel?? You’ve got to be kidding. I don’t agree on everything with Chris, but I’d take him over that weasel Diane Ferret, uh Farrel anytime…and apparently so do the MAJORITY of voters (twice, most recently).

  • 21 hitcow // May 9, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    Atleast Farrel would represent the district and benefit everyone. Shays only benefits shays.

    I can not stress enough, you can never trust a republican in elected office. They are scum.

  • 22 Concerned Citizen // May 9, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    Hitcup (excuse me) News flash - The weasel Diane Ferret, uhh Farrel LOST –TWICE!!! to Shays.

    And some people have nasty things to say about me and my retorts…Well What “flowery prose” you have there Hitcup (excuse me)…and I quote,
    “I can not stress enough, you can never trust a republican in elected office. They are scum.”
    So Hitcup (excuse me), I think you shown your true lib colors. “All republicans are Scum” huh? Don’t have a cow there Hitcup (excuse Me). I know plenty democrapic scum myself Hitcup (excuse me). By the way..maybe you need to lay off the kool-aid too there pal and don’t eat any of “Dem against Cafero”’s Brownies either. Just trust me me on this one.

  • 23 Democrat against Cafero // May 9, 2007 at 3:14 pm

    Concerned Citizen: because I am a woman- I have to bake. Get real!

  • 24 anon // May 9, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Hitcow… I think someone is asking you to (excuse them). Probably because all they can do is spew bile and hatred instead of engaging in meaningful dialogue.

  • 25 ENrwlker // May 9, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    #24 — Please explain how it constitutes “engaging in meaningful dialogue” for “hitcow” to say that all Republicans in office “are scum”, who “screw the poor and gays”? That sounds like a statement from someone who can only “spew bile and hatred”, wouldn’t you say?

  • 26 Concerned Citizen // May 9, 2007 at 3:38 pm

    #23 I don’t know if you are a man or woman or a transgender- who cares?? I’m a man and I bake - so what?? I just don’t bake the funny brownies you do.

    #24 Your Half correct. I have this hitcup (excuse me) because all this leftist garbage keeps regurgatating and I keep repeating this putride bide because my pristine body keeps rejecting it. Spewing Hatred you say? You Mean like Hitcup (excuse Me) line, And I quote again, “I can not stress enough, you can never trust a republican in elected office. They are scum.” You mean Hateful lines like that??? Because I know how you libs only pick & Choose what you want to comprehend, who cares about truth, Right Anon? Hitcup (excuse me _ I need to hurl…too much liberal double talk and B.S. - I can’t hold it down any longerrrr…..BLLLLAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! Opps sorry about your shirt there Anon! )

  • 27 anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    WOW! thats all I can say about the postings. Did i stumble onto the romper room set? Ladies and gentleman, please refrain from kicking, biting and hairpulling. Miss manners says it not proper behavior.
    What the heck are you people doing? This whole section is so repulsive. How can grown men and women act in this manner in a public forum? It is very disrespectful to Turf who put up this forum for citizens to interact not engage in smack down “The Roc vs Peewee Herman” behavior. I believe she created this blog for people to have intelligent dialogue without the foul behavior exhibited today. I think we can all get along if we just stop the nastyness.

  • 28 Concerned Citizen // May 9, 2007 at 5:51 pm

    Dear Anonymous #27.. Please read the posts starting with the first one and then make your conclusion. I would very happily agree to exchange just ideas but when ones starts with the words Idot, Trolls, Republicans screw the poor and gays, republicans are scum, etc. well then the gloves are off. When questioned with a sincere question in post #3, I answered it post #6 with respect for the person who asked. Somewhere between being asked that question and my answer other rude comments were made. As I stated in a latter post, I will not take that dialog from anyone. If they want respect, then earn it.

  • 29 Bad Thread // May 9, 2007 at 6:00 pm

    I agree with #27, this thread has totally sucked today. Turf has given us a forum, let’s keep it clean and friendly. No one has to agree all the time, but enough with the name calling and poking at others who comment here.

  • 30 anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 6:01 pm

    #28-I agree, and that is why I made mention of it. I think it is in very bad taste the way that conversation went. I’m a republican and I don’t hate gays, I don’t screw the poor and I certainly don’t look at myself as scum.

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