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Norwalk: The Anti-Mini Movement


by turfgrrl


May 6th, 2007 · 45 Comments

I bet you didn’t think there was a movement afoot. But it took a careful read of today’s papers to arrive at this trend spotting moment. We start with today’s Advocate where Alexandra Fenwick reports on Brien McMahon science instructor and Navy JROTC coordinator David Ellis’ one man crusade against fashion. You can chronicle hot fashion trends retroactively without reading a single fashion magazine simply by reading high school dress code policy handbooks.

And if you dig deeper, you will find all the same reasons trotted out for wanting to band the latest fashion forward garment, that brought us such gems as banning jeans and white t-shirts in the 50’s, long hair and mini skirts in the 60’s, earrings on guys in the 70’s, shorts and tube tops in the 80’s, piercings and tattoos in the 90’s, not to mention the inane fears about bell bottoms, spaghetti straps and platform shoes. All these garments, administrators cautioned would lead to “hoodlums”, disruption in the classroom, bad behavior and interfere with learning. From the Advocate:

Ellis suggested that the dress code specifically prohibit: swim trunks or pajama pants; tight-fitting tops for girls, including spaghetti-strap tank tops and visible bra straps; low-rise pants that allow a view of underwear; flip flops or bed slippers as footwear; skirts and shorts that are less than 6 inches from the knees; hats or do-rags; and heavy coats worn during school hours.

He also wants the policy to require belts for boys and to ban book bags in favor of students carrying their books.

Ellis also is calling for the elimination of T-shirts for boys and girls in favor of collared shirts that must be tucked into pants. But he has he backed away from a recommendation to ban denim.

“Frankly, I am opposed to jeans, but it is probably asking too much to require trousers,” he wrote in his letter to the Board of Education.

The key graf though, is this one:

Ellis went to high school in Indiana in the early 1960s, when miniskirts were getting girls sent home from school. He said his point of view may be considered old-fashioned by some, but he said the benefits of a stricter dress code outweigh the drawbacks.

Old-fashioned is hardly the word I’d use to describe his preoccupation with fashion. Amazingly, what you wear does not interfere with how you think or act, because if it did, smart educated people would all still be wearing togas. Figuring out what not to wear, is an impossible standard. Witness all the fashion mistakes that generate columns of ink. If it was so easy we wouldn’t have the fugglies.

But other mini’s are in the news too. That would be mini-golf at Vets Park. Today we learn that Vets Park may be a toxic wasteland (it has few trees) because it was once a marsh turned city dump. Come to think of it, it explains the inch deep mud that oozes during the Oyster festival. The anti-mini-golfers are shoring up the movement with discussions of deed restrictions and environmental issues. The pro-mini-golfers are saying that Central Park in NYC has all sorts of commercial enterprises.

Golfers, on the other hand, are rightfully miffed that Oak Hills still doesn’t have a driving range. And if the city were serious about generating revenue, it would be working on a driving range project, not a mini-golf project. If the people who want to have mini-golf near SoNo are really serious, they would conclude that from a market perspective they would want to be closer to the Maritime Aquarium, where families actually look for things to do together. Would a historic maritime themed, giant neon lobster windmills and dancing clams with Norwalk Hats, mini-golf attraction seem that far fetched?
source: Advocate, Stricter dress code sought for students, May 6 2007

source: Advocate, Field study: Opinions divided on effect of former dump on parks project, , May 6 2007

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45 Responses so far “Norwalk: The Anti-Mini Movement”



  • 1 Mr. Natural // May 6, 2007 at 10:49 am

    Some things never change. There will always be some moralizing troglodyte that wants to return to the dark ages. The question is: does this guy really believe stricter dress codes will make a difference or is he toadying up to someone to advance his own agenda?

    Reminds me of the time I got sent home as a high school sophomore back in the 70’s for wearing overalls with no shirt. I don’t know if that was so much the problem as the huge hickey I was also sporting on my neck.

    Regardless, I seem to have survived to become a reasonably productive member of society despite hip-huggers, long hair and what ever else I wore that was considered offensive at the time.

    Based on the list in the article, I would say that the list of fashion items to be considered for outlawing has gotten quite a bit larger. Some people will never learn that you can’t legislate either taste or morality.

  • 2 anonmm // May 6, 2007 at 11:17 am

    Is it too simplistic a solution to ask our children to dress for success? Is allowing them to bend the rules of indency worth the “freedom to be me”?

    There is a reason why many, if not most, private schools and parochial schools have STRICT dress codes. It sets the mindset that the children are there to work. It gets rid of the distractions of dress: whether it is comparisons (flauting wealth, feeling poor, wearing a symbol of belonging- gangs, clubs, inappropriate or Indency (hats, revealing, etc.) or safety (big coats, intimidating dress).

    Is it too much to relieve a little of the pressure on teachers and Housemasters, who really should be teaching, not worrying about excesses of dress or trying to find a way to enforce it/suggest to kids they are not in
    code”.

    A SIMPLE enforceable code could potentially have MAJOR benefits: something such as: dark pants or skirt/dress, belt, collared shirts, socks (no t shirts, no hats, no jewelry-(stud earrings okay- wherever they might be). Details could be worked out based on looking at dress codes nationwide- what works for other schools. Check out AMISTAD- they have done a lot of work on ideas like this.

    There are simple “Best practices” in schools that work. Why not follow them?

    It does not “cost money” to have an appropriate dress code- and it saves parents money not to have kids competing in their mode of fashion.

    I vote for a stricter and enforceable dress code. Across all the schools.

    Or we can throw a lot more money in the pot for Corda and Friends to divy up and let the kids just have a great old time. Who cares if they learn anything?

  • 3 Anonymous // May 6, 2007 at 2:57 pm

    You were kidding right?

  • 4 anonymous // May 6, 2007 at 7:50 pm

    #2 I like what you have said. I know that when my children are wearing nice clothes they act with dignity and respect. When they are in their shorts and t shirts they are more likely to be running around. I have seen some of the fashions that are being talked about here, and they on the wrong body type are, well, to be blunt obscene. And some not so nice children pick on those that think they are glamorous,when they are just hidious. Turfgrrl,they might just be right in asking for a better dress code.

  • 5 anonymous // May 6, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    There should be dress codes for school to an extent. I get a bit upset when I see young girls with their thongs sticking up above their jeans and little short tops with belly button rings. It drives me crazy when I see the boys with their pants hanging down to their butt cheeks and showing their latest boxer collection, all the while walking around holding up the crotch. what is that about? Makes me want to go out and buy belts for all of them. Proper clothes or dress code is a way to detract from the fashion frenzy and to include all kids in being as one. Some kids can’t wear these clothes because they don’y have the money to afford them and some just plain shouldn’t! No one should walk around with their underwear sticking out. We used to buck the system, we’d wear pajama pants and fluffy slippers or some outlandish outfit we’d never get away with on a regular basis, we called it senior slop day! If we went to school with our underwear hanging out we would have had a permanent wedgie inflicted by our parents.

  • 6 David K. // May 7, 2007 at 8:58 am

    It is not about fashion. My children behave much more respectfully when they are wearing nice and conservative clothes. They treat others with more respect as well. Frankly, I don’t think it is about stepping back into the dark ages at all. I see it more as holding children to a standard and that in and of itself is a lesson that many need to learn.

    School is not supposed to be about fashion and making statements. School is about learning the 3 R’s and social rules that they seem not be getting (not in all cases) in other social settings.

    It also seems that Jody B-P’s reply to the reporter indicated that nothing would come of it. By the way, who would think that the students should have much of voice in deciding the dress code/policy - aren’t they the “student”?

  • 7 anonmm // May 7, 2007 at 11:00 am

    The problem with many ADULTS in the educational system (BOE members, administrators, teachers) is they have given up.

    They are letting the KIDS run the show. Or the parent that gripes takes up so much time, that they anticipate the gripes and don’t take the action that one would expect from adults.

    The kids need to learn. Learning includes respecting each other and their teachers.

    The ADULTS need to take BACK the ADULT role,and stop passing the buck back to the kids.

    Kids need limits and boundaries. Adults have to provide that.

    A dress code would clean up a lot of acts. And what does it “cost” us? Putting up with a few whiners who would find something else to complain about….may we well let them whine about how strict the dress code is.

  • 8 Corda CoolAde anyone? // May 7, 2007 at 11:06 am

    Jody has fallen into the trap of complacency. Too many smile exchanges with Corda and parents who do nothing but gripe.

    Why should she rock the boat>

    Because she is the head of the Board of Education.

    Prioritie? I think the board can handle the budget and a dress code. That should not tax their skills.

    The BOE should be fighting for better schools, reaching for whatever resources we need- NOT JUST BIG BUDGETS. If a dress code works (see the statistics- Clinton tried to do it nationwide!!), then advocate for it- don’t just pass it off and ignore it like the BOE did with the PW study.

    Part of leadership is listening and learning. Not drinking COOLADE.

  • 9 Ray // May 7, 2007 at 11:12 am

    Troglodyte: a cave dweller who lives in seclusion.

    Somehow I don’t think once can say that is the case for a high school teacher. I imagine he sees a lot more on a day-to-day basis than most and his opinion should matter.

    I remember some of those things of 1970s and 80s. I know some of us survived that and also fought the rules, but we did so as students while our parents made us comply with policy, albeit begrudgingly.

    It is also interesting to note that some would attack the point that the list is getting longer. When we - I and the writer of that - were in high school, we were not trying to wear underware as outerware, we didn’t walk the halls holding up our pants (or walking bow-legged to keep them from falling down) and we knew that too much skin showing was going to be a problem for us. We knew there were rules and our parents backed up the rules, neither of which is the case with today’s teens and it seems for some parents.

    I too know that my children are better mannered and show more respect, just as a general thing, when they are dressed better than when the are not. I support a more defined dress code if it helps teachers do their job.

  • 10 reality check // May 7, 2007 at 11:16 am

    It’s not up to the schools to provide guidance for what kids wear. It’s up to the parents. And if the parents can’t figure out what their kids are wearing to school than there are deeper problems. Teachers and school officials should stop trying to parent and just be responsible for education. Parents need to step up at home. Nowhere else.

  • 11 Ray // May 7, 2007 at 11:38 am

    Jody also wants to poll students and “study” the change, which seems so large. We were all kids once and we wanted to do what we wanted to do. We didn’t like adults telling us what to do and how to dress, but we did it - maybe at some level deep down inside of us, we knew that the adults in our lives were right and had our best interests at heart. If we had had our way with the school’s dress code, those bib overalls with no shirt would have been what we wore and the mini-skirt would have been shorter. Heck, we may have even had what kids are wearing to school today back then.

    One has to wonder with that approach, who is running the asylum?

  • 12 anon // May 7, 2007 at 12:37 pm

    Something needs to be done about the too often deplorable state of demeanor in our local public schools. The dress code Mr. Ellis suggests would be a good beginning to bringing a respect for learning to our schools. I am an avid believer in freedoms and individuality. Our CHILDREN/STUDENTS, however, have much to learn before they can express their individuality and freedom in ways that will enable them to enhance their lives and to prosper in their community. We, as adults, have the obligation to insist on the high standards (yes for dress in an educational setting) worthy of our children.

  • 13 anonymous // May 7, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    Since this continues to be a problem - the relationship of behavior to “fashion” - I vote for school uniforms.

    It would resolve many problems: 1)dress code, 2)cost to parents 3)competition between the haves and havenots 4)taking teachers and principals out of the position of determining what is or is not acceptable.

    Does Norwalk have the courage to do this one simple thing?

  • 14 Activist Judge // May 7, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    #10 Reality Check hit it on the head. Parents are (should be) the primary source that kids learn values from.

    Parents shouldn’t expect schools to act as a police force to make up for the lack of taught values. Just like schools shouldn’t be the place for kids to learn about religion, they can’t function as substitutes for parents who can’t deal with difficult adolescents.

    Will we ever learn to take responsibility for our own problems instead of blaming society’s institutions for our shortcomings? No! It’s easier to point the finger at someone else instead of looking in the mirror.

  • 15 Norma // May 7, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    I do agree that there should be dress codes in schools; dress codes not only for students, but also for teachers. Having a very specific dress code is not about being old-fashioned or parochial. Having a dress code is about instituting a certain level of professionalism into teaching and seriousness and respect into learning. Students should absolutely be allowed to express themselves as individuals through fashion, but not indecently…and we need to define what indecent fashion is. Visible underwear has no place at work, school, or society - neither does over-exposed flesh. There is a reason that one can be arrested for indecent exposure. Many students now border on indecent exposure. For example, we should not have to find ourselves dealing with a situation where a girl sits down in class and her underwear can be seen…or where her cleavage is hanging out of her shirt. I am uncomfortable going around checking students’ progress and fingind such a thing - I can’t imagine how uncomfortable it must be for a male teacher. Boys should not wear jeans so baggy that they must be held up as they walk for fear that they will fall down. I understand the need to be comfortable, but there should also be a limit as to how comfortable one can get in public.

  • 16 turfgrrl // May 7, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    Wow. Seems like underwear really gets peoples attention. Well it wasn’t all that long ago that t-shirts, white or otherwise were considered underwear. Now t-shirts are accepted. I don’t see what the preoccupation with whether underwear is being seen or not. At least kids these days are wearing underwear. I come from a generation where going commando was “in fashion”.

    I’m not sold on school uniforms either. Schools have become indoctrination factories as it is. Do we really need to ship off kids to large buildings in crisp navy blue uniforms so they can obediently fill out bubbles with number 2 pencils? It’s easy for me to sit back and say this, I neither teach kids or have kids in school. But it wasn’t all that long ago that I was mocking school fuddy-duddies over their fears over punk attire and mohawks. I think vivienne westwood just had international retrospective shows, so go figure.

  • 17 Activist Judge // May 7, 2007 at 5:19 pm

    Yeah, I guess trends like pre-adolescent girls wearing thongs kinda gets people’s undies in a bunch, so to speak. Heaven knows we can’t trust kids to make decisions about things like that.

    I can imagine the conversation: “Honey, you know Dad and I agreed that you’ll have to save up yourself to buy the Victoria’s Secret thong you’ve been wanting. In the meantime we’re not spending any more for a thong than what we’ve bought you from TJMaxx.”

  • 18 anon parent // May 7, 2007 at 5:33 pm

    #16-you obviously don’t have kids or you wouldn’t be defending this mode of undress. nParents need to take responsibilty for how their children dress when in public. To see these young girls flaunting their thongs and belly button rings one should wonder why the parents let this behavior continue.

  • 19 Charles the Hammer // May 7, 2007 at 6:35 pm

    Go Norma! People dressed appropriately tend to act appropriately. “Business casual” is the right fit for school. Would anyone wear a bikini to a funeral or greasy overalls to a big job interview? Of course not because it would not be tolerated. Guided practice, repetition, and leading by example in the area of dress will benefit kids in the long run. School is a kid’s “job”. Don’t you think we can do better than pajamas, shorty-short-shorts, flip flops, and tank tops?

  • 20 anonymous // May 7, 2007 at 7:07 pm

    For some reason I can not read beyond #16.

  • 21 anonymous // May 7, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    Business casual has to be the stupidest fashion allowed in business. It should be business attire, leave casual for the weekends. Employees are more productive in suits.

  • 22 anon // May 7, 2007 at 8:06 pm

    Mr. Ellis is right in his complaint and observations.

  • 23 turfgrrl // May 7, 2007 at 8:15 pm

    I have hopefully fixed the link that was causing some browsers to not display the comments past # 16. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
  • 24 TT // May 7, 2007 at 8:29 pm

    Norma is right - teachers too must adhear; however, I don’t see too many of them not following an acceptable line.

    Students, are very demanding and always looking for respect and want to be treated as ladies and gentlemen, even when the clothes they are wearing show a lack of self-respect. I think if they want respect that they should act in a respectable way. The students who are yelling in the halls and using foul language, dropping “f” bombs and such, are usually dressed in a clothes that go beyond acceptable by the code, but too many teachers don’t want to be confrontational. Some I imagine even fear bodily harm for challenging a student.

    Conversely, students who are in class on time, do not curse in the halls and cafeteria, are not loud and obnoxious do appear to be dressed more conservatively.

    Teachers are hired to teach and the way many students dress detracts from their ability to do that in the classroom. Some students will do well no matter what the circumstances in the classroom. Most however, are more likely to engage in conversation during a lesson and be disruptive in behavior when they dress in a manor that can only be described as provacative for the girls and gangsteresque for the boys. It is almost a cultural thing. Students in this category appear to make it a game with the faculty, challenging them rather than making an attempt to learn.

    I think drawing a corelation between behavior and how students are dressed is overlooked and undervalued. Reform the dress code and enforce the standards (for teachers too Norma).

  • 25 Watchdog // May 7, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    Thank you, Norma. Well said. Your words bring to mind the paraprofessional who wore a spaghetti strap tank top that not only revealed cleavage, but a floral tattoo that, by the way, was strategically placed where it should otherwise be hidden from view. Some of the most inappropriate clothing for a school environment is actually worn by adults. A “common sense” dress code would eliminate any confusion about how to dress “professionally” and spell it out for principals who may otherwise prefer to turn their heads.

  • 26 anonymous // May 7, 2007 at 9:15 pm

    This goes back to #10…The parent. Some of the parents I have seen have stepped right off the Jerry Springer Show with the way they dress. So when it comes to their child learning what is appropriate it is far different than those who set a more conservation example for their children.

  • 27 Anonymous // May 8, 2007 at 7:12 am

    I have had many opportunities to observe students in both high schools (Norwalk) at various times during the day. What I have seen is that kids who are dressed nicely show respect to others and are not engaged in the pushing, shoving, name calling, yelling, and even fighting. Neither are they participants in what can only be described as sex-without-undressing . . . I will leave that to your imagination.

    The kids who are dressed in what I consider to be low-slung pants, over-sized ‘t’-shirts, short skirts and low-rise jeans with tight fitting tops (that may be good in a night club) are involved in all of the activities in the preceeding paragraph. They do it in the halls. They do it in the cafeteria. They are doing it after the bell has rung to begin class - so they are late to class.

    I think giving a change to the dress code to more conservative standards is a good start and I agree that it probably would eliminate many of the discipline issues. I also think the BOE can not afford to NOT make these changes. Furthermore, inviting students into a dialog on what they should wear to school is absurd. THEY ARE STUDENTS and therefore should follow the rules established by the adults who are teachers.

  • 28 Anonymous // May 8, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    If the BOE is so concerned about the budget, they should consider that when students are better behaved, they are less destructive, show more respect for school property and cause less trouble by fights and etc. With this in mind, it seems that more work would get done by teachers (who probably spend too much time each day dealing with students who misbehave), security personnel, house masters and principals, all of whom must deal with the problems of kids out of control.

    Even the custodians and maintenance staff would have less work with regard to clean-up, repair and repainting of walls, lockers and etc.

    Changing the dress code could even save the schools money.

  • 29 Singapore Sling // May 8, 2007 at 4:49 pm

    It is but a simple thing.

    Some parents are “lost souls” and perhaps we can’t do too much to get them under control.

    But….that does not mean we have to let their lack of concern/control over their children bleed into their kids’/and our kids’ school situation.

    “leave it in the parent’s hands” is great- assuming parents were watching and caring, but that is not necessarily the case.

    “Freedom is another word…for nothing left to lose.”

    Those kids whose parents don’t care should not be penalized for life …and for their future.

    THAT is a copout! Look at the studies on uniforms. I am not talking about dressing the kids in Greens Farms plaids, or starched police outfits-

    http://eric.uoregon.edu/publications/policy_reports/dress_codes/intro.html

    The idea of dress codes and uniforms gained official sanction when President Clinton endorsed the idea of public-school uniforms in his 1996 State of the Union Address. Following Clinton’s direction, the U.S. Department of Education mailed A Manual of School Uniforms to all 16,000 school districts in the United States.
    With guidelines in hand, school boards and administrators began to develop dress codes and uniform policies.

    By 1999, 72 percent of New York City’s 675 elementary schools had a standardized dress code.

    In 2000, the Philadelphia School Board unanimously adopted a districtwide policy requiring some type of uniform.

    By 2000, in Miami, 60 percent of the public schools required uniforms; in Chicago, 80 percent.

    By 2000, 30 percent of the public schools in San Francisco, 50 percent of the schools in Cincinnati, 65 percent in Boston, 85 percent in Cleveland, and 95 percent in New Orleans had school-uniform programs.

    Also by 2000, 37 state legislatures, including those in California, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, New York, Tennessee, Utah, and Virginia, had enacted legislation empowering local districts to set their own uniform policies. (Morris and Wells 2000)

    How far behind does Norwalk have to get before we wake up?

    Hey Jody, are you going to have the kids vote on it? It is time for the adults to make some decisions, not the kids.

  • 30 Anonymous // May 8, 2007 at 6:54 pm

    Not uniforms and not a dress code either will fix all of the problems, but a clearly defined and easily enforceable dress code would certainly go a long way toward getting the students back in line.

    If it helps, I say it is a no-brainer Jody.

  • 31 Anonymous // May 8, 2007 at 9:00 pm

    And just what makes that teacher the expert on student dress? There is some circular logic among the postings, and there are unsubstantiated claims concerning student performance/behavior when school uniforms are required. I went to a private school that had a strict dress code, and student behavior was not the best.

    Teachers who look to student dress as the way to resolve educational issues are teachers who fail to look to their own teaching and classroom management skills. Simplistic solutions are not solutions at all.

  • 32 anonymous // May 8, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    #31. This was not a simplistic solution, this was an observation that needs to be addressed. I have seen first hand what is going on in the high school and if you spent just one day in a high school in any city in CT you would have a rude awakening about how outlandishly the students dress. He was not looking for uniforms he was looking for decent respectable dress. I am sorry you did not get it.

  • 33 turfgrrl // May 8, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    In England, where uniforms are compulsory, teen behaviors are similar to here. I don’t think there is any empirical evidence that a dress code will accomplish one bit of behavior change.

    A story from The Christian Science Monitor:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1204/p09s01-coop.html

    .

  • 34 compulsory // May 9, 2007 at 6:17 am

    Rather than looking at England and saying “gee- nothing happening there with their uniforms” how about asking how bad would it be there without the uniforms?

    or why are uniforms compulsory? Do they know something we don’t?

    Or….what are their scores versus ours? lol

    same info, different perspective.

    And where is the evidence that their teen behaviors are similar to ours?

    as an aside…if we wear uniforms will we get cute accents?

  • 35 turfgrrl // May 9, 2007 at 6:35 am

    Sorry about that, the link was missing!
  • 36 Anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 9:52 am

    As a recent graduate of McMahon, I think the Master Chief’s observations are accurate. I don’t know if a change in the dress code alone will be enough to bring a change.

    I do know that I would probably have done better in school. I was a ‘C’ and ‘D’ student generally. I do not fault the teachers, the administration, or the dress code for my grades - that is all on me.

    I do know this though. I did find my attention on the girls in my classes and I am sure I missed some important information. Concentrating on history or algebra was a lot harder than on thinking about how revealing a girls outfit was. Some were really hot!

    I knew what the dress code was and knew it was hard to inforce. I also knew that some of my teachers would tell us we were outside of the limits and some of them wouldn’t go there.

    I also know some kids brought wepons to school under their coats and I imagine they carried them around all day. That was a little scary. Nobody got hurt except one kid got cut once, but security took care of them.

    I would probably have done better with a stricter code.

  • 37 nwlknative // May 9, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    I don’t believe uniforms are the answer, but a strict dress code should be inforced. I live close enough to three schools to see how some kids are dressing and it is disgusting. The girls with their navels bare, low cut shirts with spaghetti straps, short shorts or skin tight pants - in another place, they would be called hookers! Then they wonder why boys don’t respect them. The boys with their pants falling down - the jail house look. That is respectful. Why is it that the children who are really succeeding in school are not dressing like this? When I went to school in Norwalk, there was a dress code strictly enforced and everyone had to abide by it. It didn’t kill us or hinder our ability to express ourselves. It did make us aware of our appearance and how not to bring attention to ourselves.

    I would also like to add one more observance - that some of the teachers need to abide by a dress code also. If they want respect, they better command respect and dressing properly is a good start.

  • 38 anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    Interesting point, #37. I wonder if the teacher who was complaining about student dress ever reports to work wearing shorts or jeans, as I have seen teachers do. When I was in high school, teachers always dressed professionally for school.

  • 39 Activist Judge // May 9, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    I went to a parochial school in the 7th grade for one year and went back to 8th grade to a public school. Why? Bullying and innuendo, cruelty and just plain meanness towards me as an “outsider” from the students who had been there from the first grade.

    Guess what? We all wore uniforms - the boys in navy trousers and white shirts with sweaters with a precious little crest on it. The girls, plaid skirts and the same white shirts and sweaters.

    The point is: the kids were still obnoxious and cruel despite the clothing. Putting a new cover on a book doesn’t change what’s inside.

  • 40 Anonymous // May 9, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    #39: I went to parochial high school, where they indoctrinated us with the belief that we were superior to the “heathens in public school.” It was not a nice attitude to have. The difference was that the parochial schools can pick and choose their students, and when a student becomes a problem, he/she is sent to public school. This school not only limited the enrollment to students who would follow the rules, but it limited the enrollment to the students who would learn most easily. There were no special needs students of any kind. So much for Christian charity.

    I sent my children to public schools, and they did very nicely there — without a strict dress code. As a parent, however, I watched what my children wore. For that matter, I wouldn’t have allowed them even to own objectionable clothing.

  • 41 Anonymous // May 10, 2007 at 11:13 am

    There is far too much concern today over what those in training want. We have become so wrapped up today in not wanting to challenge anyone to do what is right, that too many people turn their heads and ignore issues.

    VT, Columbine and others are prime examples of the adults not even asking students the questions when the see something that doesn’t look right.

    The world we live in today makes the following more vital than ever.
    “Evil happens when good people do nothing.”

    Allowing the students to pick and choose, with the knowledge (that all educators are supposed to possess) that that part of the teenager’s brain which deals with thinking beyond the moment has not developed, is rediculous Jody.

    The reason kids dress the way they do today is because they are not being told at home in some cases that it is inappropriate. Even some kids who’s parents do tell them, change clothes on the way to school, or after they get there so they can look the other inappropriately dressed.

  • 42 Anonymous // May 10, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    Don’t dress like a hooker or a hoodlum and ask to be treated like a young lady or gentleman. People are probably going to treat others in a manner consistent with their personal dress code.

    I guess if people want their kids to be treated like you ladies and gentlemen, they should probably have them dress like young ladies and gentlemen.

    Since some parents can’t seem to manage that, perhaps the stricter dress code in school is important. The kids need to learn it somewhere and they are not going to graduate high school, flip a switch on the wall on their way out that is going to suddenly change them into what society expects young ladies and gentlemen to look and act like.

  • 43 Enough already // May 10, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    This has become a huge yawn.

  • 44 anonymous // May 10, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    #43 Apathy may be the root of a poorly dressed child.

  • 45 Anonymous // May 11, 2007 at 6:17 am

    Some don’t know what there children are wearing, but I doubt there are many who don’t care. #41 is correct about kids changing after leaving home.