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Norwalk: Public Debate on BOE Budget Should Continue


by turfgrrl


April 18th, 2007 · 8 Comments

Now that the politics of the vote are behind us, there’s still much work to be done with the BOE budget. There’s an expediency to the philosophy of funding and then being done with the oversight process. I think last night, some Democrats proved they wanted to be “fund and done” with the BOE budget. Some Democrats did not seem to have that mindset. Tom Vetter again, brought his spreadsheet to the council, with updated numbers. That document should be posted here, and I have sent an email requesting it. Bruce Kimmel also seemed aware that the debate about the operations of the schools needs to be open and not in secret.

Last night there was a powerpoint presentation that was not shown to the audience and council. But it was sent to me, so here it is:
Power Point Presentation

And there is a spreadsheet listing non personnel budget cuts that can be made.

Where Cuts Can Be Made

As Rick McQuaid pointed out, the debate about the amount of BOE increase is not a new one. In 2003, then mayor ALex Knopp said the same things that were said by people who supported keeping the cap where it was. That article was also sent to me, and I highlighted the relevant parts below:

“My primary response to last night’s public hearing is that it is terrific that parents have such a strong loyalty and investment in the public school system, but they are operating under a fundamental misconception if they have been led to believe that the only way to reach the level of expenditures we have recommended is through severe cuts in essential services, Knopp said. “That simply is not true, and it’s a scare tactic to pretend that significant cuts in essential services are what we have in mind or are proposing to meet our budget targets.

“The suggestion, for example, that we would go to a half-day kindergarten is an absurd and ridiculous insult to anyone who knows anything about education. If any parent was there last night fearing that that would happen, I feel that they were misled either intentionally or unintentionally, as the case may be.

Knopp said cost savings that won’t affect services to children are available. “That appears to be the missing piece of information that has never adequately been delivered to families and others who care about the schools. What seems to have happened is that some of us in the city have been overly polite in deferring to the customary rules of communication regarding collective bargaining and budget changes carried out in the education system, while others are playing hardball, misleading parents and deferring important decisions and not responding in a serious and well-organized manner to the crisis we face.

The article goes on to quote BET members saying that the cut is not really a cut, but a reduction in the increase. Sound familiar?

“The expression ‘cutting the budget’ was used too extensively [at the hearing] to reflect an understanding of reality, said BET member David Davidson. “We all want the best education possible for our children, and we believe this can be achieved without diminishing services to children in the classroom. The school system, Davidson said, isn’t doing its part. He said a 3 percent increase might be more appropriate.

“The city [portion of the] budget is basically flat compared to the current fiscal year, Davidson said. “This was achieved only by saying no to almost every expense request from every city department and further requiring $1.2 million in personnel cost savings that haven’t yet been specified. Despite the fact that as we reviewed the city budget we saw may items that were probably necessary for city departments or desirable for city departments, because of the very difficult fiscal circumstances, we basically said no.

He said the Board of Education “needs to make the kinds of tough decisions on priorities which we, this board, have made in reviewing the city portion of the budget. BET member Randall Avery, the lone Republican on the board and its longest serving current member, sided with Davidson, who is unaffiliated.

“I have been discouraged to read that the Board of Education did not seem to be particularly engaged in this budget problem, Avery said. “I believe Mayor Knopp has been extensively engaged in this budget problem, and I believe Mayor Knopp has given a great deal of attention to the Board of Education budget problems, as we have at this board here. But I haven’t perceived that same dedicated concern from the Board of Education itself, until the last few recent weeks which is very late in this process.

Sounds very familiar now doesn’t it?

Avery said he was inclined to support a 3 percent increase “especially in light of the actual cuts that are occurring on the city side in order to keep the city side [increase] at virtually zero. Avery also said the BET was being pressured at the hearing for decisions made by the Board of Education.

“The Board of Education controls how its money is spent overall, not the Board of Estimate, he said. “This is a long-running story. It’s part of the reason there was friction between the previous councils and the previous boards of education.

Davidson formally moved that the BET hold the school portion of the budget to a 3 percent increase. Although most of the members concurred with his opinion about the public perception of the “cuts to the budget, Davidson was joined in the vote on the motion only by Avery. Tim Buzzee, Ron Coley, Tulio Lopez, Chairman Adam Farstrup and Knopp voted in opposition, favoring the 3.5 percent increase.

The public is very engaged with the BOE right now. It’s time to pull together the interested parties and discuss the budget and the process going forward. The BOE, which is an elected body, represents the people of Norwalk, not the administration of the school system. Some of the BOE may think that misinformation is out there. Others think that the BOE itself is responsible for the misinformation. It is long past the time to openly present accurate information.

source: Norwalk Citizen-News, 3/28/03

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8 Responses so far “Norwalk: Public Debate on BOE Budget Should Continue”



  • 1 Eternal Optimist // Apr 18, 2007 at 11:20 am

    I could not agree more with Turfgirl’s comments “The public is very engaged with the BOE right now. It’s time to pull together the interested parties and discuss the budget and the process going forward.”

    Now as a community, we should capitalize on all of the interest in this year’s budget and keep asking the tough questions and having the conversations in a productive fashion. There is no need to resort to scare tactics, name-calling, and other counter-productive measures. Let’s learn the facts, educate ourselves and keep the city moving forward. We’ve got a lot ahead of us.

    We are all adults, and we should be able to work on the City’s budget (and other issues) in a logical, rational and bi-partisan fashion that truly balances the needs of all residents - rather than pitting them against each other. We owe it to ourselves and the future of our great city.

    This blog is a great forum for getting people to talk about the issues facing the city. Although the personal attacks, while entertaining, are simply not necessary.

    Let’s keep working together!

  • 2 dem4life // Apr 18, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    I agree with you turfgrrl. You are right that the issue needs to be worked on further. It really comes down to who really cares now or who was just posturing.

  • 3 just wondering // Apr 18, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    Hey Turfy, do you think that the board of ed told parents to go to their blog or your blog to check out the status of the budget fight?

  • 4 turfgrrl // Apr 18, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    just wondering: That’s an interesting question. I would say no they didn’t say check out this blog because I haven’t seen any spike in traffic. Each day we go up about 60 or so visitors on average. In other words, its a trend line that’s steady and while it does vary it doesn’t spike.

    I would hope that they would have called attention to their blog, but you never know. Theirs doesn’t take comments and they might have more concerns about the “open field” nature of opening up for comments.

    From a campaign management standpoint, they missed out on having their side of the issue argued/defended here. Now, it could be that no one was really wanting to defend the BOE budget increase request, but I doubt that’s the case.

    From a traffic standpoint, it seems that there’s a significant Norwalk population that is reading here. If there’s only one side presented, there will be a distortion effect. I think that’s why the site needs to have more guest bloggers. I’d like to see more of that, and am open to suggestions as to how to improve the site as well.

  • 5 anonymous // Apr 18, 2007 at 7:00 pm

    Teachers were sent a form asking us to fill out where we think the budget could be cut. Many of us stated what was listed on Mike’s post about a week ago. Less admin. (vp’s in elementary and Morris) postage, etc..

    The thing is if you look at other systems you will find excellent soulitions, phone mail, email for communications, Administrators that show up for their position and work not only for their friends but for teachers that are pointing out that some children need help in controling their behavior. For professional days that are worth while and not just a pay off to some friend of the top cats in central office. Steammmminggggg!

  • 6 Reward system - Suggestion box // Apr 18, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    People closest to the action have the best ideas for making improvements, cost savings, etc. particularly if they can look at things “outside the silo” meaning combining functions, looking at functions across departments and roles….AND so to encourage the expression of these ideas and thinking they REWARD the people who submit the ideas. The awards can be small and token, they can be “recognition oriented” or they can be quite lucrative. The lucrative rewards tend to be if someone comes up with a suggestions that saves tons of money.

    I say….do it! Let the people speak: teachers, students, parents, administrators…

    TELL THE BOE - how can they save some bucks.

    The proverbial “suggestion box.”

    See waste- report it
    See a way to be more productive, explain it
    Can a small purchase quickly payback with great savings (i.e. technology, for example) then tell us about it.

    :-) :-) :-)

  • 7 Anonymous // Apr 18, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    #6. If only there would be a reach out from central office that would make us think there would be no reprocussions for speaking out. The suggestion box would work for me. There are towns that have a dial system that is recorded from the superintendant and dialed out to all the homes that have children in school. It is also run out of each school for the principals to communicate home to the whole school population. They also have really good email systems that send out emails for things like snow closings and sports events. Also direct email home to the students who are absent this will save on the mailing home of multiple cut slips. Also if each student has an ID card why can’t they use it as a scantron, when they enter and exit a room? This can all be monitored electronically and will send the notices automatically. But why go there and save hours of man hours?

  • 8 turfgrrl // Apr 18, 2007 at 10:16 pm

    Or how about providing an incentive for individual school employees saving money/costs. They can be as simple as a % of the cost savings, or things. A community related program could involve local businesses. I bet that central office doesn’t provide monthly budget versus actual expenses by school. Doing so would allow the school to set it’s own incentive program. Top down rarely works, bottom up has much greater success.