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Norwalk: The Common Council Meeting


by turfgrrl


April 10th, 2007 · 70 Comments

Tonight’s common council meeting was moved to the concert hall. Given that the BET meeting filled the room, it was surprising that the room was hardly filled. I would say that there were fewer people than your typical common council meeting. The usual suspects of speakers spoke on behalf of the BOE budget and raising the cap, and against raising the cap and for supporting the flooding victims.

But apparently the fireworks sparked over a resolution that the Norwalk-outers attempted to get debated on the floor. A procedural motion to be sure, and it was quickly tabled by Council president Coffey. This prompted Miklave to ask for a 5 minute recess, to complain at the back of the room about how this was a procedural move to prevent debate. Well duh, I watch enough C-Span and CT-N to know that legislators play these games all the time. But then, that’s why this blog exists, to allow all sides to have that public debate. To do so only on the floor of the common council makes it a political event, and to do it here, well at least the public gets to participate, which debating on the council floor doesn’t happen.

That being said, Miklave should have been able to debate the BOE budget, but why wait till the last minute? The BET voted on a cap at another meeting, they voted on setting the cap already, why is still being debated?

update

with the usual apologies for mangling English and names …

Common Council Meeting

Meting minutes approved Kelly Straniti thanked for having the pages numbered correctly.

Walt McLaughlin: Spoke on Cancer Walk info

Charo Kateria ???: Speaking on parents magnet school students Columbus magnet schools, submitting petition. Contractual obligations are 5.7 % so the increase of 3.8% will cut programs. Last year budget turned the surplus back to the city, Averaging the two means that increase this year is not bad. Darien 5.85, Wilton 7.63, Westport ??%. [Notice that Stamford and Danbury is not used even though they are more representative of the demographic size o both the city and the student population.]

Assistant principals and instruction specialists are proposed to be cut. Assistant princiapals evaluate teachers, 2 x a year takes 5 hours, 3x a year for new teachers. Work with parents and special needs students, support teachers …

[mayor asks to sum up after 5 minutes]

Seemed like she could not speak off the cuff and really wanted to read off the sheet. [small applause]

Lorraine Montause: No more children in system, employee of special ed department. Wants an council members to have an open mind: Some facts: 16.7 million college enrollment {and its relevant how?} Colleges have a record number of rejections, the college enrollment more competitive, and cites some stats on obesity and teens, and this related how … so how can the removal of sports programs be promoted under these trends … essentially she is speaking to save sports programs. Grant monies have been declining and those programs ESL etc are being absorbed in budget. (spoke at BET meeting) Corda hands will be forced to ….

Dick Moccia appeals for 3 minute rule:

Gregory Pristine: Administrative costs for board of education 8 million costs, I don’t see teachers being hired .

Galen Wells: Urge the council to raise the cap to the point that the finance director suggested. Or the BOE amount. Keep progress going, “It’s the right thing for us to do, it will protect our property values” Program cuts hurt the most vulnerable kids. Mentions debt service being lumped in with the operating budget with BOE, not done with Police department etc. [← good point, is there an answer to this?]

Larry Rutenberg. Thanks council members for support, transfer any additional funds to storm drains funding. You will continue to see us at every meeting, we ill be Hal Alvord his extended family. Fix the flooding sooner rather than later.

Tom Vetter: passes out handout. Math mistake on page 2. Last years budget was low, this years budget is high, hundreds of kids out of studyhall if budget is not approved,

Front page last years budget reconciliation, top line reduced by 2.2 million
(almost 3 million)

138 million was real budget … 143 million, if Hempsteads 3.8% used the wrong baseline was started with. [that’s another interesting comment]

Answered questions, reduced 2 million from our requests, held feet to the fire, have my word to keep looking for reductions. Please put our request in some context. We do have to pay for the flood victims. $2 week per family again.

Lynn Massey: PTO council co-president, supporting BOE school budget in full, increase the cap of dipping into contingency fund. Trust, education as number one priority, trust that Dr. Corda will fulfill his end of the deal, 1300 employees 11000 students and 19 school facilities, implementing curriculum across all subject matters. Trust that parents remain informed. Increase is just enough to maintain the status quo. People don’t leave a community because of taxes, but they do leave a community because of their schools. Compared Instructional specialists like Mike Moccaie, Hal Alvord of Chief Rilling.

Sally Cordavno: Fully fund BOE budget, 5.7% non negotiable items. PTO executive board member 5 years, carefully assessing schools for 12 years, and thinks Corda does a great job. Dr. Corda monumental proactive effort has been underway. On the right track. PTO meets regularly with Corda, asks hard questions. Meets with teachers, no snap decisions, cites national stats,

Bruce Mellion: Norwalk Federation of Teachers. One time budget anonlomy in 06 this was accomplished health insurance designed changes … We should rasie if to 5x percent, 3 million needed. 26-28 students in each class. 11 teachers affected at the high school. Budget % was higher last year ….

Mary Pugh: Support decision to support the cap, make dollars work harder, first get some financial controls over BOE spending, hire a financial director. THe cap will impel the BOE to find savings not cuts. Spending levels alarming, duplicating roles and duties …. We don’t see streamlined costs. 800k a year high level administration … money g=could be better soent supporting our teachers not administration.

Survey of educational stakeholders, past teachers who have left …

We don’t have to accept substandard management of our school system (best applause)

Jacki Chiarmonte: 2 children in system. Time to keep BOE held accountable for our tax dollars. Every department held accountable except BOE. How do we let a 140 million budget ipoerate without a finance director … Sal Corda and Stuart Opdahl do not have finance degrees. Money for central office, but when it comes to children, oops we don’t have any money. We should not give blindly to the BOE.

Margaret Petersen: Flood victims, insists with us that the flooding gets fixed. Did you know if the pipes were functioning. Do you knw that a 7 mile radios that sewage would be pumped all the time. The smoke testing preformed October 2005. 18 months since testing done, no action since.

3 years waiting, others wiat much much longer. Stop putting the citizens at health risk longer.

Richard Bonnefant: Kids graduated live at the top of a hill. 7D3 increase density on reed put name area … send out a tax assessor right away, nobody builds anything, tax it on the value that it is.

Dean ?????: 39 olmstead place: I’m tired and older, come over to his house to see what he had to do to prepare his house for his vacation. 44 years, would accept storm water. Has sewage in his living area. Just can’t wait any longer. Needs to be done now, infrastructure been neglected for years. Help us, we are in dire need, once again we appreciate anything you can do for us.

End of Public Speakers.

Joe Santo to the Parking Authority: unanimous approved.

Moccia’s remarks, difficulty of balancing cannot be measured on any words concerning the flood victims. THe city has to make an effort to solve this problem. Grants coordinator working with FEMA on flooding issue funding.

Mike Coffey: [to flood victims] We stand with you and understand what you are going through and we will be there for you. Will do whatever we can.

Accepts joint committee going forward by Vetter to go forward with BOE more constructive way to move forward positively. Placeholder budgets in the past, this process a much healthier debate, passionate and vigorous on the issues. Multiple needs that the city needs to balance. You cant take a multi year format, its not fair to people move here this year. Budget director in place at the BOE, a 140 million budget, would not happen with Sarbanes ox. $12k per child more than our comparable city. $2 week, seniors and working families, how to we tell our working families to spend more time away form your family to work harder to apy more money in taxes. It is a responsible budget. 4.2%, slightly over the rate of inflation, we’ve all worked together on a process.

Corporate Counsel Question changing the cap and the budget. Resolutions are not for action items, just for a view on councils opinion. Not for taking action, can’t bring about an action or an event. Motion to amend the prior cap, not an appropriate cap under the carter. 2 minute recess.

Back:

9:09:

On the advice of counsel not a proper to amend the cap, motion to table resolution role call

Coffey y
Miklave n
Poruban n
Roamno y
Sutton n
Grant n
McQuiad y
Bolden y
Hillaid y
Kydes y
Heampstead y
Straniti y
Briggs n
Krummel n
9-5 passes

5 minute recess. Miklave makes a public statement.

[this is a paraphrase, matt spoke too fast, and I had to stand and type one handed]

Today procedural gamesmanship public assault on public school education

By raising the cap it would not have raised taxes a dime BET underestimated real estate conveyance tax plus rells budget educational funding….

Even if we are wrong, the debate was worth it. There is a certainty of the cuts out of this budget. Should have been able to have it [the debate] ..,. Counil demonstrates their unwillingness … children who are not privileged or elite , are most at risk and the debate should have happened, and would gave …

Update: But Robert Koch, using pen and paper caught it so here’s the bit from his article:

“Today, this administration and the Common Council, using procedural gimmicks and behind-the-scenes gamesmanship, has prevented an important debate over the future of our children and our public schools,” said Miklave, who called a recess to hold a press conference at the rear of the auditorium, after the council tabled the resolution on a 9-5 vote.

“By raising the cap by $3.3 million, we would not have raised taxes a dime,” Miklave said. “But, even if we are completely wrong about that, this would have been a debate about risks and burdens. The risks that we were wrong about taxes, and they would be raised the equivalent of a cup of coffee per family per week, versus the certainty of disruption to our children’s public education system.”

kimmel says debate should have happened, that before there was debate before a motion to table was made … (I asked matt for a copy of what he said and I will post it.)

Meeting Reconvenes:

Coffey: explains what improper resolution made, not allowed under the charter, improper procedure, legal procedure, that was not adhered too, resolution was made for political gain … can be taken up at a finance committee meeting, if we vote to raise cap a billion dollars

Hilliard: we will be taking budget to finance committee meeting on Thursday, will call a special meeting.

Miklave asks for a special meeting:

Moccia: you didn’t consult with me on the resolution, I will take that in consideration.

Coffey: some people didn’t understand the charter, political game ship apology to audience.

Consent Calendar: Coffey reads off short description and item numbers:

Krumeel removes 4a 4b : concession stand removed brien McMahon

Miklave: 95/7 should go back to committee, 7b3 committee

Land use Building Management Committee:

Krummel: can’t agree to 350k to what he regards as a luxury … 2 years w/o use of concession stand, this year, sending the wrong message. Vote against authorizing

Moccia: Brien Macmahon is already bonded, original concession stand demolished to expand school building, its not extra money … cant switch money, originally $650k allocated, the delay was made to reduce the amount, and it can be used to raise money byut he school and other organizations.

Romano: would vote to fund it, involved with pop warner, make do concession stand during games …anyone who has been involved, it’s a very difficult situation

Hempstead: Though noble in your efforts, the BOE would have to let go of this money and let ti go back in the capital process… that they will not let it happen.

Krummel: Been understanding concession stand was never part of the expansion studies. Hamilton defers to lau: Concession stand has always been part of the project, concession stand was taken down for expansion wing, tried to get state funds, but state wouldn’t refund it.

Poruban: Support going ahead with project, although appreciates Krummels efforts. Whatever one school should have the other should have, should have equity.

Unanimous accepted.

Personnel committee:

Miklave will not vote on contracts because they exceed the inflation rate, and in the same meeting not have the debate on it, thinks they are excellent contracts otherwise.

Moccia: At least we have input on the contracts.

Krummel: ?????

Hempstead: What is in roll up costs.?

Hamilton: Overtime and a methodology used previously.

Coffey: openness and transparency this is good government, Grant thanked for beinging new procedures.

Poruban: will be abstaining on this .. contract better than private sector contracts.

Miklave: this contract will cost 5% every year, you can’t hold the line at 3.8 inflation, with 5% contract increases. It’s not responsible to be approving contracts at 5%.

Moccia: Binding arbitration awards coming in at this range.

Moves that item C 2 and 3 together.

Against

Miklave
Poruban abstained
Briggs
Krummel

Capital Planning committee

Miklave: More interesting times on the council. By the time it gets to us there is very little fluff. This years capital budget, non controversial, in part because there was no allocation of funding for a new fire station, Hamilton has not called for a new fire station. We just don’t have funds to build a new fire station. It is appropriate budget.

We can’t add money to capital budget that would raise the money beyond the other budgets.

We can’t put any money into anything that was not requested by a department head.

Coffey: commends committee, wishes more money for school projects and drainage projects could move along faster. Fire station needed to service cranbury and silvermine area. … committee did a very good job. Wish could do more but the fiscal reality is such that it is.

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  • 1 anonymous // Apr 10, 2007 at 11:04 pm

    Here are the key statistics for the schools that should be in the equation

    Stamford-Key Statistics
    Grade Levels Offered Pre-K to 12
    Students 15,053
    Full-Time Teachers 1,217
    Student Teacher Ratio / 12.4:1
    Per Pupil Expenditures $7,185
    District Resources
    Pre-K Teachers 2
    Kindergarten Teachers 62
    Elementary Teachers 733
    Elementary Counselors 13
    Middle/High School Teachers 304
    Middle/High School Counselors 23
    Librarians 16
    Money received from ESC
    _______________________
    Norwalk-Key Statistics
    Grade Levels Offered Pre-K to 12
    Students 11,062
    Full-Time Teachers 778
    Student/Teacher Ratio 14.2:1
    Per Pupil Expenditures $7,502
    District Resources
    Kindergarten Teachers 47
    Elementary Teachers 450
    Elementary Counselors 11
    Middle/High School Teachers 202
    Middle/High School Counselors 15
    Librarians
    ______________________________
    Danbury-Key Statistics
    Grade Levels Offered Pre-K to 12
    Students 9,567
    Full-Time Teachers 679
    Student/Teacher Ratio 14.1:1
    Per Pupil Expenditures $5,997
    District Resources
    Pre-K Teachers 3
    Kindergarten Teachers 25
    Elementary Teachers 370
    Elementary Counselors 7
    Middle/High School Teachers 186
    Middle/High School Counselors 12
    Librarians 21

    Fiscal ‘07 Funding Governor’s proposed ‘08-’09 funding Difference Pct. Change Education Committee ‘08 - ‘09 proposal Difference Pct. Change

    17,588,819 23,078,118 5,489,299 31.2% 22,267,215 4,678,396 26.6%

  • 2 itsridiculous // Apr 10, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    The “antics” of the council are why so many people don’t bother to participate in the process. The ambush, then counter ambush on the cap resolution just goes to show there is no bipartisanship there, in spite of the friendly monthly pizza party.
    On the BOE, at least some brave folks stood up to say that they should be held accountable for their budget, in the sunlight, in public.And to stop using scare tactics and look at their own top-heavy central office & admin. I would gladly give them MORE money if it were:
    a) spent on EDUCATION
    b) accounted for
    and
    c) produced measurable performance results.
    Parents are outraged that children may not play baseball in their freshman year, but don’t seem that worried that they may not be able to read, write or do math as a senior. Focus on academics, get the results, and the money will come. No one is stupid enough to throw good money after bad. And frankly, I don’t see where one penny has to be cut from academics, extra-curricular, or AT programs.
    As to flooding, as one victim, I can say it’s been a long tough road, but only the first turn. The effort to fix the flooding for everyone has just begun.

  • 3 anonymous // Apr 10, 2007 at 11:43 pm

    Granstanding by some members of the council leads to the above posting of #1. It is clear that there are some members of the council there for the express purpose of doing the right thing. There was no debate on the floor , there was a non binding resolution by some members in order to defame the reputation of fellow council persons in their attempt to make the BOE accountable for their actions and for Mr. Corda to stop holding our students captives in his attempts of threats of cuts. Unfortunately, there was not time alloted for those to speak from the council whom we all know are quite vocal in their support of the flood victims and the kids because of this resolution which was not discussed by anyone and was presented in their council packets. If anyone was listening it was stated that the majority of the council only learned of this resolution when their packets for tonights meeting was delivered. Selective hearing is not an option and to make it look like these people don’t care is rediculous. many of us were there and we heard what was being said. Where were all those people who were going to make comment on the budget. Even Mr. Corda was a no show. As a parent and a taxpayer I say its high time the BOE is scrutinized and held accountable.

  • 4 Jack Chiaramonte - Parent // Apr 11, 2007 at 9:41 am

    HALELUJUAH #3! When a company has finacial trouble or see waste, It usually goes though a “re-org” (Reorganization). That is exactlly what is needed for the BOE. Can ANYONE imagine running a 140 MILLION dollar corporation without a financial officer??? Sounds CRAZY, doesn’t it? Well that’s what our BOE has been doing. In Sal Corda’s infinate infalible wisdom, he fired that person. Of all the people at central office who need to be relieved of their duties, they let the finance director go? So now it’s Sal Corda & Mr Ophtal, neither of which have a degree in finance, who are running the BOE budget. Does anyone else see something seriously wrong here? Fellow parents, please stop giving a pass to this BOE who keeps threating to cut our childrens programs but does nothing to relieve the bureaucracy at central office. Just as in any other corporation, an analysis of ALL personel, duties & procedures needs to be evaluated and justified. I would bet if this were done, we’d not only find the funds they are seeking, but we’d also find more funds we could be saving and not having to see our taxes climb at higher pecentages than what our are citizens earning year to year. The BOE needs to stop ridiculous threats to our childrens Education and start looking at it’s own structure & budget for flaws.

  • 5 Results // Apr 11, 2007 at 9:59 am

    It boils down to measurable results.

    Corda and Ophtal are not qualified to develop or analyze budgets and results.

    Why has our BOE had given them free rein with OUR money?

    Forget the % increase- we are beyond that point. The moment over half our tax dollars went to education, we were OVER the top on spending.

    When you then look at declining enrollment, parents literally taking their children out of the system to the point where several schools are over 60% minority then you know something is WRONG with the way the money is being spent.

    Anyone who makes over $100K a year, in particular, needs to be carefully evaluated. The fact that we have many in ADMIN making that kind of money should make the public pause.

    The fact that ex BOE members and current BOE members/family members jockey for central office and other ADMIN positions is not a good way to “check and balance” the spending.

    The Public wants “teaching” - not bloated management of teachers. Corda is betting no one is looking, but he is about to see that his days of free rein and unbridled power over $140MM+ are about over.

    We demand results - not talk of %’s or talk about being too cheap to pay the cost of a cup of coffee- that is a condescending and mean spirited “sound bite.”

    The budget is too high - dig deeper and fix it.

  • 6 anonymous // Apr 11, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    Looks like the council held. Thanks for being brave enough to hold against the bullies and lies that Corda told.

  • 7 anonymous // Apr 11, 2007 at 3:26 pm

    #2. Not only do we want our children to play baseball and read, we want the public to understand that when our children committ to a sport they are obligated to get good grades to stay on the team. Our coaches and Athletic Directors work with students on their needs and we have had some fine scholar athletes come from our high schools. You must understand you can’t have one with out the other in this day and age. You must be both a scholar so that you can participate in sports. Maybe you should attend the awards ceremonies at the end of each year and see how many of our students do achieve, I think you heart would sing with great joy to know that teachers and coaches are doing a fine job.

  • 8 perplexed // Apr 11, 2007 at 7:28 pm

    #1. Do you have any stats on how many administrators Stamford and Danbury schools have? And if you do is there also a pay scale? It would be interesting to see if they are similar to Norwalk. Thank you.

  • 9 anonymous // Apr 11, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    #8 here are the links for both central offices

    Stamford
    http://www.stamfordpublicschools.org/Administration/CentralOffice.asp#Curriculum

    Danbury
    http://www.danbury.k12.ct.us/bbadmin/admindirect.html

  • 10 anonymous // Apr 11, 2007 at 7:53 pm

    #8 I posted the links to both central offices.

  • 11 mike coffey // Apr 11, 2007 at 9:03 pm

    Thank you for all of the support from the members of the public in this difficult budget process.

    While every member of the council supports our commitment to education, a balance must be struck with the cost of tax increases. Tax increases cannot be too large, or seniors, working families and others will flee our city.

    Thank you to turfgirl for this fantastic forum that has enabled many discussions that have been unable to take place in the past. Keep up the good work, many of us appreciate your efforts to provide a place for open discussion and commentary.

  • 12 itsridiculous // Apr 11, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    #7 Thank you for pointing out an important component of sports in schools, however, I may have missed my mark on the challenge. My point is that the public outrage I witnessed was related SOLEY to sports, while no parent seemed aware of, nor concerned about, the poor ACADEMIC performance of our children. In fact, I heard no parent comment at all on academic performance and how our schools rank against others. The sports outrage is clear evidence to the inflammatory scare tactics used irresponsbly by someone who should know better. Clearly, self-serving.

  • 13 anon // Apr 12, 2007 at 6:25 am

    I’d like to point out that there are council members who don’t bother to attend key council committee meetings and hearings in the budget process. This is the place for debate and open expression of ideas on the budget. These are the same folks who are “outraged” that their lame, ineffectual, non-binding resolution was shot down. If you serve on the council for several terms and still don’t know how to place an item on the agenda, then you should be removed for non-performance. It may be too late for some, but I think the five “outers” need to go back to school on this subject or change your consultants. The Poruban/Miklave duo are more like keystone cops than council leaders. They won’t survive this election cycle.

  • 14 Talk about rediculous // Apr 12, 2007 at 6:27 am

    ‘Fed up’ council Dems contemplate alternative caucus

    NORWALK — Moments after Council President Michael Coffey called a recess at Tuesday night’s Common Council meeting, there sat a conspicuous sight: Five Democrats together at the left side of the council table, 10 empty chairs to the right.

    The council’s remaining Democrats and five Republicans had left the room for private deliberations. The five Democrats, the “loyal Democrats” Councilman William Krummel said, sat quietly, looking annoyed.

    Now this is rediculous.
    A 5 minute recess was called and 5 dems chose not to participate but when they didn’t get their resolution they got up called a recess and walked off the stage to hold a press conference in the outer room with parents in tow..now that’s what I call rediculous. The press conference(I was there because I was curious) was to bad mouth the 10 memebers of the council out of earshot so they couldn’t defend themselves. This is disgusting, just as disgusting as when the same five chose to boycott a council meeting when they couldn’t get their way. Now they are calling themselves “loyal Democrats” perhaps they might take into consideration that the taxpayers prefer partisan politics over party line voting. This is like scholl children. Get over it and get back to business at hand. I commend the 10 council people for sticking to their guns and keeping our taxes at bay while making sure our infrastructure is 1st priority and not crumbling under Corda’s tactics. 5 Dems, think twice about what you are doing or you may not get a chance next time.

  • 15 turfgrrl // Apr 12, 2007 at 8:29 am

    Looks like Stamford has 39 people in their central office and that includes vacancies. I like how they provide org charts to show reporting structures and how they have specific financial people and a department to manage the budget.

    Finance
    WILLIAM DUNN TBD Chief Financial Officer
    HUGH MURPHY 5011 Director Of Finance, Fax 5960
    DON DUFFY 4241 Purchasing Agent, Fax 4247
    JEANNIE VALENTINE 4243 Purchasing Office, Fax 4244
    VIVENS JOACHIM 4240 Management Analyst, Fax 5960
    ESTHER RANDLETT 4064 Accounting Supervisor, Fax 5960
    JOHN CASTELLANA 4239 Grants Account Analyst, Fax 5960
    SUE MCKOY 4220 General Services, Fax 5960

    compare and contrast:

    http://www.norwalkpublicschools.org/centraloffice.html

  • 16 indiga // Apr 12, 2007 at 9:19 am

    I ask the Democrats on this Republican-oriented site to think about why this site is so eager to support the Coffey-Dems and name-call the others — who are very, very good and principled folks. Is it that the Republican party in this town is so open-minded and inclusionary? Or is it that by marginalizing Briggs, Poruban, Krummel, Sutton, and Miklave, they are undermining the true Democrats and consolidating good old boy power? Coffey strikes me as a classic “kiss up/kick down” type of manager.

  • 17 turfgrrl // Apr 12, 2007 at 9:41 am

    indiga: FIrst this site is not Republican-oriented, it is non partisan. Everyone from every political spectrum is welcome here. The site as well as the world would be quite boring if everyone agreed on issues. I suppose it is somewhat ironic that you would consider this site to be Republican-oriented since engaging in public discussion, and the routine calls for more open government and transparency are not exactly issues that the Republican party is known for. Dare I mention the current federal attorney firings that will sweep Gonzalez out of office?

    But I do think that Briggs, Poruban, Krummel, Sutton, and Miklave are marginalizing themselves by their actions. And I say this despite have high regards for Matt Miklave and his role on the council. By calling them the Norwalk-outers, which is a pun-ishable offense in your eyes perhaps, but if they didn’t walk out … complain in the newspapers … keep taking about it in the newspapers … i would have nothing to write about, or you to take issue with it, because we all wouldn’t know about it.

    I’ll close with Yogi Berra “Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.”

  • 18 anonymousObserver // Apr 12, 2007 at 10:10 am

    “call the others — who are very, very good and principled folks” ??? Indiga, this may be true but they don’t have an exclusive on these qualities. What they lack is any sense of how politics and this local government works and it seems hopeless trying to educate them. We need new blood - folks that not only care but can get something done without vindictive, blind-rage behavior. The outers should be out, enough is enough.

  • 19 indiga // Apr 12, 2007 at 10:11 am

    TG…you may see it as non-partisan but you’re spreading one-sided information. Have you talked to Brigss or Krummel or Sutton? With a truly open mind? Have you heard about how Coffey is playing power games with them? Not telling them about scheudled events and then making it appear that they are “no-shows”. How frustrating do you think it is to deal with smarmy tactics like that. These 5 are not stupid people, they have no hidden agendas, and they are trying their best to stand their ground against that loquacious bully Coffey. And I speak from personal experience — push against his agenda and there is long-term recrimination, includng behind your back character assasination. Nice.

  • 20 turfgrrl // Apr 12, 2007 at 11:05 am

    indiga: If it’s one sided info, I’m getting it from one-sided press coverage. Or it’s observations I see at meetings. Which, btw, I am able to find out about by going to the norwalkct.org web site. And I read the minutes and look at the attendance, which is all out there.

    As for the complaints about the power games, I can also say that Norwalk Democrats are infamous for not holding district meetings on a schedule that any mere mortal can follow, so if anything can be said about schedules and Democrats its Will Rogers who famously said, “I’m not a member of any organized political party, I’m a Democrat.”

    Internal politics are a necessary evil, but they should remain internal, behind closed doors and the public officials should be more concerned with setting a successful Norwalk agenda, instead of worrying about who is bullying who. And speaking of bullies, the grand master of that game was shown the door in the last municipal election, and the current council members were elected to legislate as part of a bipartisan team, not anything else.

  • 21 Concerned Citizen // Apr 12, 2007 at 11:29 am

    WOW! Well Stated Turf Girl! It could not of been said any better.

  • 22 Scott // Apr 12, 2007 at 11:29 am

    Seems to me that in order to call your postings non-partisan, Turfgrrl, you should rely on information from the source rather than what passes in this town for unbiased press coverage. The one-sided press that the so-called “outers” have received in the debacle over the Common Council dispute is far, far, greater than what we might expect to see if they were truly getting a fair shake. What is preventing you from asking one of the five Dems for their side of the story? I have to admit that accepting The Hour’s coverage might be a lot more convenient than delving deeper to get at both sides.

    I started monitoring this blog a few weeks ago after finding out about it for the first time in the local papers. I was excited to discover a local forum that would help me understand the complexities and nuances of Norwalk politics. What a disappointment.

    So far this blog appears to be a one-trick pony that seeks to promote Knopp- and Dem-bashing in general, and a platform for disgruntled Republicans that want to blame all the current problems in Norwalk on past administrations (and to help set up the Dems for defeat in November - witness the foaming-at-the- mouth postings of the Knopp-haters over the Pagano Seafood “scandal” that eventually made it into the press. Not that the Dems appear to need any help defeating themselves at this point). What about the stories I’ve heard about Moccia being arrested for having assaulted his wife? Would you care to give equal time to that one, if there’s any merit to it?

    You claim to be non-partisan, yet show your true colors in admitting to be the author of and perpetuating the phrase “Norwalk-outers”, which by virtue of creating a negative stereotype seeks to marginalize the labeled instead of trying to understand what lies underneath the surface of the issues at hand.

  • 23 Anonymous // Apr 12, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    Scott: Moccia was never arrested in fact his ex wife gave money to his last campaign, and his Step Daughter swore him in, do you think she would have done that if your nasty comments were true, you are the type of person that makes people shy away from poltics. The Pagano matter happened, the Firefighter Wilson matter happened they are not rumour. Did you hear Moccia ever say one word about blaming Knopp for these matters, in fact he stated in the press that he was sorry Alex had to go through the the questioning. Trying washing your mouth and mind out.

  • 24 Scott // Apr 12, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    I rest my case. Anonymous #23 only goes to show what I was talking about. If you were even concerned about understanding that every story has two sides, you wouldn’t have to resort to juvenile name-calling and accusations. I only brought up the story about Moccia beating his wife to open up the possibility of discussion that would truly show this blog is impartial. If you want to read it again, I said “if there’s any merit to it”. I didn’t say it was truth.

  • 25 ENrwlker // Apr 12, 2007 at 12:34 pm

    So “Scott” has actually lowered this site to the ‘are you still beating your wife’ point. How nice. Is this how Democrats want us to engage in debate on the issues?

  • 26 Scott // Apr 12, 2007 at 12:44 pm

    I don’t think that I have much control over what this site chooses to allow. I am flattered to think that you consider me that powerful, if I’ve “lowered” this site to whatever degree you want to believe. If Turfgrrl thinks something is out of bounds, she’ll remove the posting, she’s done it before.

    Since this site is the first place I ever learned about the Pagano Seafood issue (and I am a news junkie, so I would have heard about it before now, I think), I really have to wonder why all of a sudden, in an election year, that particular nasty story is up front and center. Is this what the Republicans - through their behind-the-scenes minions - want to substitute for debate on the issues?

  • 27 turfgrrl // Apr 12, 2007 at 1:12 pm

    Scott: I’d love to go to the source on most events that outrage me, but much like my requests to interview George W. Bush go unheeded, some local Norwalk Dems seem to hold themselves in their gated community-like towers, unresponsive to email requests for clarification, documents or comments. Others happily respond. So guess who gets more 360 degree coverage?

    Take for instance Matt Miklave. If you read what I wrote at the meeting, I said he should have had his debate. I asked him for his statement and later asked for a copy of the resolution. I then asked the other reporters if they got a copy of the resolution. Do you want to guess what happened? No response from Miklave, no resolution provided, and therefor, so far, nothing to add to that side of the issue. I would love to document their side. But if they don’t communicate except to a nearly empty concert hall ….

    I hear lots of rumors. I read every comment on this blog. I ask lots of questions of the people those rumors are about. When I get real facts I post them. But, hey, I’m only one citizen. This blog is here for the community, which means there’s nothing stopping you, or anyone else from posting stuff. Look what happened with 93 East ave. Once everyone got past the “he said/she said” arguments, lo and behold, supporting documents were produced, and up went a post about it and the discussion moved on.

    The Pagano story, is a sad one, one that clearly has not only been documented, but also shows what happens when people stop thinking about the people they serve and protect and only think of themselves and the inconvenience of letting the truth out. It also is about a city of Norwalk agency and summer jobs program, in other words, its your tax dollars at work. And btw, the Pagano story came out of a DTC meeting, hardly the place for it to handled. But that’s politics for you.

    As for the marginalization of the Norwalk-outers, give me a break. They chose to walk out of their caucus meeting and run to the press with it. If they don’t call attention to their spats, no one would know about it. And I think I have a good idea about what the issue is underlying all this brouhaha, and maybe I will post about it, but I shudder to think about how my musings on that subject will generate even more ire.

  • 28 Scott // Apr 12, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    Turfgrrl, thanks for your input. I appreciate especially the effort you went to in order to set the record straight about 93 East Ave.

    I agree that the opportunity is here for anyone to hold forth and hopefully the majority of that will be reasoned rather than rabid. So far, as I have experienced in the short time since I first posted this morning, both approaches are evident. But, that’s the cost of a democratic forum, no?

    You clearly have a better understanding of what passes for policy and policy-making in this town than I. How about this: you probably are familiar enough with both sides of Norwalk politics to know someone who could provide another take, sort of like a guest-blogger who could opine as a counterpoint. Remember the 60 Minutes days when Jane and what’s his name would debate the issues? Might be a way to cover more of both sides of the issues. Or maybe I’m just naive.

  • 29 turfgrrl // Apr 12, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    Scott: Yep the comments are the virtual frontier land and all that. Great idea about having a guest blogger. I have said to various people that it would be a good thing for them to do, and again open that invitation to anyone reading. This site is what we all make it to be.

    But no I don’t remember the 60 minutes version of Point/Counterpoint, but do fondly remember the SNL version with Jane “you ignorant slut” Curtain and Dan “you sadistic, elitist, sexist, racist, anti-humanist pig” Akroyd. Ahem … you can perhaps guess where my formative news humor came from.

  • 30 Scott // Apr 12, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    Your memory serves you better than mine. I did some checking and the inspiration for the SNL version came from 60 Minutes, with Shana Alexander providing the take from the left and James Kilpatrick on the right.

    If you can find someone to guest, then more power to you.

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