Pot Holes The Long and Short Of It

The Advocate has an article on pot holes. yes, the week between Christmas and New Year’s would appear to be a slow news week. And yet the state is facing a huge budget crisis, and nary an interesting report on it. Why is that?

But onto pot holes. According to the Stamford supervisor of traffic and road maintenance and the article:

“We’ve been getting rain,” said Doug Hoyt, supervisor of traffic and road maintenance. “That wreaks as much havoc as snow.”

Water seeps into cracks in the pavement and base material, which helps loosen it when cars, trucks and buses drive over it. The weak spot worsens with every vibration, creating a pothole.

And that’s before the temperature fluctuations that come with early winter.

“We’ve had a pretty bad freeze-thaw cycle going on,” Hoyt said. “It makes a mess of road surfaces.”

Water in the pavement, base and soil expands when it freezes, pushing material around and creating cracks. When the ice thaws, spaces are left. Tires go over it and a hole forms. The more traffic, the bigger the hole.

“We have nice weather, then it rains, then all of a sudden it’s below freezing again and the ground starts to heave,” Hoyt said. “Then the asphalt breaks.”

Funny thing is that the real issue here isn’t the weather and traffic but how we decide to spend to fix roads. Call it short-term vs. long term. With a focus patching, no matter how innovative in how the patch gets done, the fix is temporary. Patches you see, don’t last beyond two to five years and only cover the surface while the foundations of our roads continue to deteriorate. It’s like treating skin cancer by applying makeup.

Fixing the underlying road is much more expensive. For example, cracked beds below the asphalt can run double the repair bill instead just simply resurfacing the asphalt. However, the resurfaced pavement will crack within three years whereas the roads with repaired foundations will last 20 years. You do the math.

A look at how many times certain roads have to be patched over time would at least sort our the priority of what roads need real repairs.

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  • Secondhand Rose

    Funny how when Norwalk had those cement-with-embedded-gravel roads we never seemed to get any potholes….at least, I don’t remember potholes from my childhood. Potholes are apparently endemic to macadam only.

    • Secondhand Rose is lost

      Oh did they have roads when you were a child?

      • Secondhand Rose

        Hi Mikey.

  • Secondhand Rose is lost

    How are your many many cats

  • Joe

    Well sometimes it’s easier to ignore a problem like (potholes) this way they can better justify hiring more men to do the job its ashame. What they need to do in Norwalk is follow some of the trucks around and see for themselves what actually gets done. Then maybe you’ll see for yourselves.

  • Secondhand Rose

    The point is, no matter how much Alvord complains that he needs more money and more manpower, he’s still managing to do the job with exactly what he has now. Granted, I’m sure he’d do a better job with more money and more staff, but hey, he’s keeping up the status quo at least. Which just goes to show you that in this economy Alvord is managing to keep up with the work, regardless of the budgetary needs of the department. So in that case, Alvord should stop complaining and continue holding to the status quo – or do an even BETTER job in order to justify his requests for more money.

  • Mikey

    In one breath you say “Granted, I’m sure he’d do a better job with more money and more staff,” and in the next you say”or do an even BETTER job in order to justify his requests for more money.:. How do you suggest that he does this without more money for additional manpower???? DPW is about the only deportment in Norwalk that does there job correctly….

  • Secondhand Rose

    “Deportment” means the manner in which one conducts oneself, according to Merriam-Webster.

    Here’s some advice, my friend; your “deportment” could use a lot of help.

  • Secondhand Rose is lost

    WOW a typo is that the best you can do…As usual no point to your response you just attack the poster and never debate an issues.. But then again hat would be hard to do when your always wrong. Oh and by the way Rosie i love the many many different names that you are using over at the hour blog.. I will repost my past post with the typo correction so you can understand it as I am sure the one word typo had you all confused. “In one breath you say “Granted, I’m sure he’d do a better job with more money and more staff,” and in the next you say”or do an even BETTER job in order to justify his requests for more money.:. How do you suggest that he does this without more money for additional manpower???? DPW is about the only department in Norwalk that does there job correctly….Now see if you can debate the issue for a change…I know its hard for you…

    • Secondhand Rose

      Gee, Mikey, do you realize that you just “outed” your identity – AGAIN?

      Please stop, I’m laughing so much I can hardly stand up!!!

      • Mikey

        Do you realize that I never kept it a secret…But once again you are attacking the poster and not addressing the issue.s..Also you can say you don’t post on the Hour but we all know that’s not true now don’t we…

        • Steward

          I always figured that you were Rick. Am I right?

          • Mikey

            nope

  • Secondhand Rose

    Sorry to disappoint you. I don’t post on The Hour’s website. You’re obviously confused, but then what else is new.

  • east norwalker

    Rick White doesn’t blog here anymore. He blogs about 85% of the blogs on the hour pages and hopes that people care what he has to say. The man needs medical help.

    • Mikey

      I don’t know Rick White…But let me guess he needs mental help because h doesn’t agree with your views.. This seems to be the typical mind set of most on this site.