Guest View: Understanding Homelessness in Norwalk

By 2009 Homeless Norwalk 038Michael Mushak

Unknown to most Norwalk residents and officials, there are numerous tent settlements of homeless that have sprung up in the densely wooded areas around town, on both state and city property.  Most are along highway ramps, and in wooded areas including until recently at Mill Hill  almost across the street from City Hall (a volunteer maintenance crew cleaned this one up, at least for now).  These camps lack basic sanitary facilities, and are surrounded with piles of trash and of human waste. Also, as petty crime increases around town, it is apparent that a hidden culture of homeless only increases the difficulty of police to locate perpetrators. That said, most of the homeless are not criminals, but simply people who have run out of options, been forced out of their homes by lack of work to pay the rent, landlord foreclosures, untreated addictions, and mental illness, and who are often turned away at the overcrowded existing shelter.

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Some residents and even a public official have stated publicly in recent months that homelessness is not a problem in Norwalk, and that there was no reasonfor the city to allow expansion of the existing inadequate and overcrowded emergency shelter in South Norwalk.  The expansion was not approved, and its future is now in limbo.

These photos are from last week,  at 3 different locations, and as more leaves fall you will likely see many more of these camps appear through the branches around town.  As the weather turns cold, it will be a crisis for many of these folks who will have nowhere to go, and whose needs for counseling, treatment, or basic food and shelter will not be met by the current system.

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  • akabi

    The Norwalk Shelter as it is run now is not the answer to this problem.They could add 50 beds and most of the people in the woods would choose to stay in the woods.

  • Secondhand Rose

    “…at Mill Hill almost across from City Hall…”

    Want to explain this one again? Mill Hill is nowhere near being “almost across from City Hall.”

  • Secondhand Rose

    How can they be sure these areas are actually “homeless camps” in the first place? They look just like areas where teens tend to congregate and hang out in order to drink and do drugs, or garbage dumps left by people who don’t want to pay to use the transfer station, to me.

  • nancy

    It COULD be a pictures of the dismantlement of some adolescent party. My best guess, though, is a cluster of tents which hold parents and their younger childreh.
    Teen’s parties leave LOT more trash, as well formerly chugged bottles of beer.
    That said, TURFGIRL WROTE THAT “most of the homeless are not criminals, but simply people who have run out of options, been forced out of their homes by lack of work to pay the rent, landlord foreclosures, untreated addictions, and mental illness, and who are often turned away at the overcrowded existing shelter.”While this is indeed true, there are no other Shelters in Norwalk than is the “shoulder Norwalk loves to hate.” The existing shelter is overloaded with people- including expectant mothers and new father-to-be.

    Any food donations to the Shelter are gratefully appreciated, especially REAL MILK, milk products such as cheese and yoghurt. I would put “REAL” milk at the top of the list, with the other items also needed. Such as fresh or steamed vegatables (keeps in the nutrients), a lessening of greasy meats which are not healthy for anyone to consume regularly, and donation of REGULAR COFFEE AND REAL ORANGE JUICE…..also Cereals- not the junk food kind….

    Relly- consider what you would like to eat and see if it is needed.

  • nancy

    Also, one of the expectant mothers said she no longer is permitted. Shall we check that out with WIC? (The mother left recently- but it is important to find out what WIC requires.

  • nancy

    Also, one of the expectant mothers said she no longer is permitted to receive WIC as she is in the Norwalk Shelter; then she made other calls who answered a POSITIVE Shall we check that out with WIC? (The mother left recently- but it is important to find out what WIC requires.) All women need calcium products, but calcium is essentail to pregnant/expecting mothers, and women 40 and above, as menopause kicks in. WIC is a wonderful program- serving “women, children and Infants.

  • OLD TIMER

    This is not a new problem, nor limited to Norwalk. 100,000,000 world-wide, 744,000 in USA, (2005 estimates, probably more now). There are so many people living under bridges in Southern California, they are called trolls. Norwalk has had indigent homeless since I was a child. (long, long, time ago) Many were well known local characters that we saw every day and only the police knew they were homeless. Many were decorated veterans with serious untreated problems who survived by taking occasional menial jobs for a few days, found places to sleep inside, out of the weather, in winter, and slept outside in warmer weather. Didn’t a homeless man who had sought shelter under the Cross st bridge get swept to his death a few months ago ? Many homeless do refuse to stay at the shelter and prefer to find shelter on their own with a litttle privacy and some peace and quiet. Every City has some homeless, and this economy has made the problem worse. The present shelter is not the answer, although it helps. We need more beds and seperate places for families with children, a surprizing large percentage of our homeless. We need a lot more counseling, treatment, and medical care, readily available. We need to understand most homeless are not a threat to the community, but poor people who need our help. Ironically, the current economy increases the need and decreases the support for these people. There, but for the grace of God, could be any one of us. If I ever find myself homeless, I hope it will be someplace with milder winters.
    Bigger cities seem to have most of the homeless. Small midwestern towns manage to help their more unfortunate neighbors more effectively. Some rare people are homeless by choice and far from indigent. GLASS CASTLE by Jeannette Walls (better know as a regular contributer on MSNBC) is a memoir about two such people, her parents.

  • sono resident

    Thanks Old Timer, wonderfully said. It’s nice to read a balanced and informed opinion on a blog.

  • Mike Mushak

    Secondhand Rose, I appreciate your skepticism, but relatively speaking in terms of the entire city, Mill Hill is practically across the street from City Hall.
    But if you want to be accurate, let me say that I can see City Hall from Mill Hill, and it is a few blocks over. I know there was a homeless camp there because I had to shovel up waste and trash from around the historic site several times, have had others before me. If you need confirmation that these are homeless camps and not teen hangouts as you suggest, I can have many other volunteers from various organizations confirm for you. It is clear people are living here, as I have seen them and actually disturbed a few when checking these places out. A couple of camps I did not want to visit because I did not feel safe.
    Last spring I cleaned up another camp at Pine Island Cemetery, when I was doing volunteer work there. It is not pleasant cleaning up these camps, but if you would like to join me next time, would be happy to have your help!

  • Joanne

    Homeless camps are not new to Fairfield County. They are truly sad but not new. There are several in Westport, many in surrounding towns and many in Norwalk. I have on more occasions than I can count spoken to the homeless who refuse to go to the shelter because they don’t like the food, don’t like the overcrowding and don’t like being told what to do. I see them in East Norwalk all the time. They stand outside stores and gas stations asking for money. I tell them I will buy them coffee and a donut but I will not give them money because they will buy cigarrettes and liquor before they will feed themselves. I encourage them to at least go to the shelter to eat. But many times they refuse. I have given them gloves in the winter and I have given them enough money to take the bus to the shelter to get warm. Just last week I was coming out of a restaurant on Washington street and it was raining and cold and a women came up to me and asked me for money to buy food. I did give it to her but I also told her I would watch that she go to Dunkin Donuts and get hot coffee and something to eat and she did. But I also made her promise she would go directly to the shelter afterwards. And she promised. I have no way of knowing if she did but I am hoping she got out of the cold. We can try as many times as we can to persuade them to seek sheter and a hot meal but there is always the answer that there’s no room, no where to sleep, other residents abuse them etc. Its very sad to see but they need to want to help themselves. I just wish there were more we could do. It doesn’t look like the situation will get better anytime soon with the national unemployment rate now hitting over 10% but we can help by donating food and clothes if we have the means. If not, at least say a prayer for those less fortunate that their lives will soon turn around.

  • Baby its cold outside

    Saying a prayer or dropping change in the cup can alleviate personal guilt but does nothing for collective responsibility.

    We are in a severe crisis, the unemployment figures released today DO NOT tell the story). Official counts put us at 10%, a figure that was not unexpected but that figure is not a true representation of what is happening. We are probably closer to 20% in real terms.

    ” there is always the excuse, its too crowded, way too many restrictions, infestations, rotten food”, etc…

    Has this person that hears these, so called, excuses ever spent a night at the shelter?

    Ever tried to live on meals from this facility?

    These are not excuses, this is cold hard reality. Our safety net has slowly but consistently been shredded to the point, the suffering has become inhumane and unacceptable.

    There are some very wealthy and influential folks behind the curtain in charge of N.E.S. now renamed, ” Open Door” although “Closed Door” would be a more appropriate logo.

    Ignoring the suffering or raising hands and shrugging shoulders and wishing it away, is not going to cut it.

    People, real human beings, including innocent children are enduring great hardships.

    We can and must take action and DO SOMETHING to make it better.

    Carl has been begged and pleaded with no response.

    Its time the community arose and gave Carl a big hard shove, perhaps implement a moratorium on all his projects in our community
    until he does what has needed to be done, all long, long time ago.

    Construct a facility for people who have no one and nowhere. Give people some dignity and a fair share and watch things turn around.

    It is unfortunate that those that have the means to really have an impact, flip the bird to the same folks that make them rich.

    There are coalitions that profit immensely and have vested interests to depress property values.

    Its our town, its our neighbors that are suffering and DYING.

    Cup of coffee?

    Want to really help?

    How about a full fledged protest at BLT- ( Building, Land and Trust). Carls hdqts. 20 Glover Avenue & 901 Main Ave (Rte 7)

    You know the guy, the one that owns or has interest in all the coastal land in ffld county and beyond.

    You know, the guy who throws up the toothpick tree house’s like Avalon @ pathmark and than calls out his private fleet of armoured cars to haul away the cash?

    Yeah that guy.

    Same guy in charge of shelter.

    Here is the spotlight, you so relish to avoid a Carl.

    Carl Kuenher
    BLT CEO
    Chairman of CLOSED DOOR, aka N.E.S. aka “the shelter”.

    If you really care.

    Call Carl out on the carpet.

    Have to pump up the volume.

    Carl is a little deaf and his fingers are so sticky from that cookie jar, he doesn’t answer the phone.

    How about an intervention? Group email blast anyone?

    “We see you Carl and we dont like what we see”.

    carl.kuenher@bltoffice.com info@bltoffice.com

  • Mike Mushak

    Old Timer, and Joanne, great observations and concerns. Many of these people need serious professional help with mental conditions, addictions, and basic life skills which a case worker could help them with, but only if they could be supervised 24/7 and not kicked out on the streets on a daily basis or ignored for lack of staff and resources. The expanded shelter would have had space and facilities for this type of treatment, and transitional living space to get people back on their feet and lead independent lives. I know lives can be saved because I have supported an organization for 10 years (I had a good friend who headed up their volunteer services who got me involved) called St. Luke’s Lifeworks in Stamford, which is a former religious and now secular organization that has a very high success rate with helping the homeless and desperate get their lives back together. The testimonies from current and former residents of their many programs at their annual fundraising celebration were the most uplifting stories I had ever heard, and which I will never forget. People who once lived on the streets, or would have if St. Luke’s wasn’t there, would often get new apartments and jobs through programs financially supported by the community and local corporations.
    It is a model for Norwalk, but for various reasons our shelter has not risen to that level. The expansion would have helped for sure, and I would have voted for it as a zoning commissioner if I was in town and not at a conference in Chicago that week, but I respect the decision by the other commissioners and the reasons given (which as reported had little to do with a legally required city-wide zoning change that sparked a heated public response).

    Hopefully we can come together as a community and find a solution. The current system is not working, and homelessness is not going away. And we can go 10 miles down the road to Stamford and see a program that does work, and has saved hundreds if not thousands of lives and families in that city over the last 20 years.

  • OLD TIMER

    There is a group of wonderful young people from Norwalk who participate each year in a midnight run into New York City, with adult volunteers, to distribute donated warm clothing and other things to homeless people in the city. Trips are very carefully arranged with organizations that deal with homeless outreach and can be a real eye-opener for the young people (teens), and for the adults.
    One of the Norwalk’s homeless people years ago in South Norwalk was a gifted musician who always managed to get arrested when the weather turned really cold. He bragged that he never missed playing the organ for Christmas services at the Bridgeport Jail.
    I wonder if they really had Christmas services, or an organ, at the jail.

  • OLD TIMER

    Mike
    Would it have been easier to get a waiver, for that particular property, than to get a city-wide zone change ? Surely, they could have demonstrated a hardship that would justify a waiver.

    • David Waters

      OT — The Norwalk Code prohibits the ZBA from granting a “use variance”. In other words, if the use is not expressly permitted in the relevant zone it is prohibited, and the ZBA is powerless to grant a variance to allow it in that zone. That is generally a good idea, but it means that in circumstances like this the only way to permit it is by a regulation change.

      • Mike Mushak

        Thank you for the clarity, Mr. Waters.
        This reply will appear before my response below, although chronologically was after that response, to clear any confusion for later readers.

  • Mike Mushak

    Old Timer,
    I don’t know if a “waiver” (variance) would have worked, because that debate did not have a chance of happening when it should have. We were hoping to have that debate, but like several other recent issues in town, a healthy debate was sidetracked by a roomful of some very angry people, many (but not all) of whom seemed to have misunderstood the real issue at hand, and who were told by certain individuals by way of flyers and rumor, that the city had a secret plan that did not in fact exist. It is a matter of public record, and I am not stating anything other than the truth, when I say that a discussion to locate a shelter in other parts of town was never discussed by anyone at any time, and that it was clearly explained to us that it was a legal requirement to write a city-wide definition because spot-zoning for only one neighborhood is illegal. If there was an alternative solution, I never heard one from the experts we trust to advise us. We were also told that there had never been an application in the history of the city to open up another shelter anywhere, because it is not a viable business opportunity to say the least, and that there would always be a requirement to have a special permit if it did, so any other location would always retain that extra layer of scrutiny by the city and the neighbors. That fact was lost in the rancor, as so many facts are when fear and emotion are manipulated to control the debate. Democracy only works when all sides can be heard, and when the truth is told, and when people are not frightened by misleading information. Of course this is in a perfect world, but can we at least somehow try to make debates on important issues in the city less emotional and more logical, and less politicized? It would make for better decisions, and less hard feelings all around.

  • Kathryn Hebert

    Mike, thank you for the very informational and well written posting along with good visuals. You certainly ignited a good dialogue and hopefully it reaches out further into the community. The state of the economy has made this issue worse and right now it will get worse before it gets better.

  • OLD TIMER

    It certainly will get much worse, and we need to deal with it. The shelter needs to be much larger and have space to keep families and women apart from the thugs who hang out down there. It also needs to be better staffed, day and night, with staff that can provide the services to get people out of shelters and self-supporting. The people who are violent need to be screened and redirected to facilities than can better deal with them. Some of them need institutional care, possibly long term, and that, too, is in short supply. It was probably a mistake to close down the state hospitals. In the current economy, the chance of anything much being improved is pretty slim.

    • turfgrrl

      Old Timer: It doesn’t matter how large the shelter is if the programs and services are totally mismanaged. Isn’t it time that Norwalk’s residents, particularly those who believe strongly in a social services safety net to step up and demand professional management of our social service agencies?

  • nancy

    At the Shelter, a plan for assisting each individual needs to be regularly updated to be sure that needed services are being provided. Some of us need mental health treatment, some need “basic needs” treatment, some need health care monitoring, and some need job counseling….some of us fall through the cracks.
    Although the larger shelter was disaproved, perhaps a large conference room near the shelter could be untilized after hours for some of these areas of client needs. There has to be a building SOMEWHERE that clients could be involved in these services…..donated computers would be wonderful for job seeking!

  • Have a heart do your part

    With Rell taking out the chainsaw and buzzing deep into social services, 7 million from D.S.S. and 8 million from D.C.F. We, all, should pay very close attention. The Governor is closing schools, childrens hospitals, even corrections facilities. Where are all these children and released inmates going? A poster suggested that the shelter seperate the emotionally fragile from families and redirect the fragile to other facilities. They already do that, the other facilities, Norwalk jail or the E.R. Where do we redirect them? Every shelter in the state and surrounding states are far beyond overstressed. We are taking folks to the Emergency Room. Hello? Emergency Room. How can we, as humans, even entertain the notion of throw away people? How can we ignore the suffering? This suffering is taking place not only in some far off corner of our world where there is little we can do, we have enormus suffering right here and we can do something, anything would be a start. Animals take better care of their own. We would never treat our household pets the way we treat our fellow human beings, what is wrong with us? We aught to be frightened, very frightened, it could be us and our family next. By the chance of life…..

  • Nancy

    When I lived in Philadelphia, my daughter and I would debate about how to deal with homeless people asking for money. She told me that she tended to ignore them, or would tell them “get a job!” In a request for a cigarette, she would respond,”I worked for mine- you do the same thing.” I was somewhat shocked by the aloof manner in which she treated these people, but she firmly believed if she could work, so could anyone. Now, after almost 3 years at the Shelter in Norwalk (and thankfully planning to leave) I have a pretty good picture of homeless people and panhandling. Unfortunately, there are some people that cannot get a job/cannot work- and she just blindly assumed anyone could walk in her shoes. (Intelligent/Well Educated/ 2 parents helping her financially, etc.) SOME PEOPLE JUST CANNOT GET A JOB, AND IT IS A DOWNWARD SPIRAL. Interviewing for- say- 28 jobs in 3 months and not receiving even ONE call back is humiliating and embarrassing. Now add in the current economic horror where even well educated and intelligent people have literally NO jobs at all to apply for…..and what do we have? Increasing anxiety and worry for almost everyone.
    Yes I had a home, a dog, 4 cats, a job, 2 cars, 2 kids…..We all aged with time. When my adult children went off to school, my parents needed care…….

  • Nancy

    Oh- I forgot- for males, we have “Slaveredly”- maybe 30-40 dollars a day? You go there at 5:30 and wait to see if you will be called for a job in the next few hours….

  • OLD TIMER

    TG
    It does matter. Every part of how we deal with our really unfortunate neighbors matters. Granted, better managed programs and services would be a big help, but are they possible in such a limited facility ? It is the old argument about which is more important. While that argument is going on, the inadequate shelter is struggling to provide food and shelter for a few and a lot more are on their own, sleeping outside as winter draws near. We will lose some to exposure again this year. But we know it is somebody else’s responsibility and “they” are not managing it it properly. When does it become our responsibility ? When do we accept that feeding these people is a city responsibility, not met by some of us donating a little food or warm clothing ? Heaven forbid we might spend tax money feeding some poor child whose parents are undocumented immigrants or have criminal records.
    There is a line in the gospels about “whatever you do for the least of my people you do for me”.

    • turfgrrl

      Old Timer: I’m sorry but I don’t buy that argument that the size of the building prevents better management. That is the argument that was put forth to our Zoning Commission, btw. It’s the same argument that the BOE likes to use, when classrooms remain empty on some schools, enrollment has been flat or in a slight decline for the last 17 years and they suddenly have “overcrowding.” When you have more than one facility, you have the opportunity to distribute your resources amongst them by managing what those services are and what demands you can accept. This is basic facility management, not rocket science. When your chief operating person cannot answer operational questions, then you find new management that can and will.

  • Secondhand Rose

    Good point, Old Timer. My question is, why aren’t the churches involved here? Many of the local churches – St. Mary’s, St. Philip’s, St. Jerome’s, St. Thomas, East Ave. Congregational, for example – have school buildings that are no longer being used as schools. A room or two or three is rented out for use by local daycare businesses. Since the churches have to pay for heating and lighting the buildings so that these businesses can utilize them anyway, why can’t the rest of the building be opened up as auxiliary shelters for families, or for women and children? I’m sure that having women and children on the premises would not pose any problems for the daycare centers; and the men could stay at the shelter in South Norwalk. Seems to me that the churches ought to be stepping up and helping these people out. After all, isn’t that part of their “mission”?? Why should everything fall on the already-stretched-to-the-absolute-maximum Taxpayer?

    Seems to me it’s time for these religious organizations to put their money where their mouths are, and get back into the business of helping their fellow man right here in the USA, and not worry so much about what’s going on in the Third World.

    • NorwalkSpectator

      Ever hear of Malta House, Rose? That’s run by the Norwalk Catholic Churches, and I believe primarily managed by St. Thomas.

      One of the churches in a neighboring town actually looked into having their facility used overnight for the homeless. The amount of regulations and standards that would have been required was phenomenal.

      As for helping those in need out, well, yes, the churches do that on an individual case basis. It’s just not publicized for privacy reasons. I personally know of operations that have been paid for, bills that have been covered and people who have been given job opportunities through various churches in this area. So, although it may not LOOK like the churches are doing anything, they are.

    • James Hinckley

      Religious organizations ARE stepping in and trying to reach the many homeless in Norwalk that exist outside of the NES public response structure. On the last Sunday of the month, Grace Episcopal on Mott Street hosts a “street church” which features a free meal and take-away bag lunch followed by a Eucharist service. Warm clothing, socks, and essentials are also available for those of our homeless who will avail of them. There are SEVERAL other Norwalk churches who are hosting similar programs.

      A new friend that I met in church today mentioned this website and I am delighted to have found it. In the past year, the non-institutionalized homeless of Norwalk have appeared to be very hard to locate, although there are several that count as friends and for whom we supply food and clothing on an individual basis.

      I would like anyone- ANYONE – having information on the location of homeless in the city to get in touch with me by email:

      jameshinckley@hotmail.com

      Perhaps among us all, concealed for the nonce within the folds of our creative reflections, lies the solution to this appalling situation.

      This is a pledge to do whatever possible to bring that about…

      Jim

  • Housing advocate

    Thank you TG for raising this issue, as “affordable” housing of any type seems to be a forbidden topic with the current administration. This problem is everyone’s responsibility as a community. The government is doing nothing, and attempts to get the Human Relations Commission to make housing an issue were refused by the Republican leadership. The Human Services Council was thwarted in recent attempts to get approval for building affordable housing and the latest refusal of the homelss shelter’s attempt to expand is truly disturbing. Maybe they are mismanged, but what are any of us doing to try and help them get through the process correctly?
    The YMCA still has empty rooms on the top floor where once indigent people lived but the Board of Directors aren’t interested in helping the most needy, even though there is funding available. Focusing on affordable housing is what saved the Bridgeport and New Haven YMCAs and Norwalk won’t even look into it. Habitat for Humanity has approached them for building on their empty lot–not interested. Look for the Y to make a deal with a developer for their very valuable property.
    There are affordable housing initiatives in most of the surrounding towns (even Darien) and Norwalk is doing nothing. The affordable housing agencies say that the Norwalk administration is not approachable. Maybe someone with a big heart like JoAnne can take a leadership role here.
    With no end in sight to foreclosures and high unemployment, I expect to see a more of these homeless “camps.”

    • turfgrrl

      Housing Advocate: I’m not so sure that “affordable” housing a forbidden topic in this administration. I guess that we in Zoning are part of the administration, and we certainly did approve new legislation to require affordable housing to be be part of new development. Darien, btw, is following the same approach as we are in Norwalk, that as properties get developed, affordable housing through the lame 8-30g standards, be a part of it. Part of the solution to affordable housing in this area though, is increasing supply of housing too. That means density. And take a good look around at who is “against” density. Not so easy to say it’s the administration when you have many residents protesting the over development of their vision of “small town” Norwalk. And much of the time, they are protesting against “luxury” development too. There aren’t any easy answers or easily identified culprits in the high cost of living issue here, but yes we should do a better job. Companies can’t relocate here, whether they are the latest green tech firms or old fashioned manufacturers of widgets. Norwalk can’t continue as an economically stable city if all the residents are retirees. Working families, ugh, a cliché, are needed here. All income levels. All educational levels.

      • wineshine

        The issue of development is NOT about affordable housing first. It may be about private developers attempting to manipulate the agenda of a governmental agency for profit. If the city felt strongly enough about providing low-income housing, it could develop it on it’s own through bonding issues. Evidently, the city does not feel that that’s warranted.

        I read the police blotter in The Hour every day. Seems we have quite a few “young working people” in town.

        • NorwalkSpectator

          The State has not authorized the issuance of any bonds since 2007. All municipal bonds must go through them for approval. If they don’t call the Bond Commission to order and approve the bonds, nothing….let me repeat….nothing….gets done. The City could have the absolute best plan in the world on the table for affordable housing and zip, zero, nada, bupkiss will be done without the State approving the bond.

  • Housing advocate

    What you say is true, but leadership is needed to change the status quo, and Republicans are now in charge overall. Will the leadership address this issue or dance around it?
    You are quite right in that the population is aging rapidly in CT. My own children did not return to CT because they can’t afford to buy a house here. The large businesses keep leaving, saying that they need to be where the workers are, and have not read of enough replacement to keep the status quo.
    We are growing slowly into the “nursing home” state but who will pay for it in the future? Nursing homes currently take up about 10% of the state budget.

  • Secondhand Rose

    Yes, I’m familiar with Malta House; although I was under the impression that it was a group home for mentally handicapped people and not a homeless shelter.

    I’m also familiar with the St. Vincent de Paul Society which collects food and clothing for the poor. But that still doesn’t explain why these schools sit open and empty, heated and lighted, and could be put to good use hosting mothers and children – but are not. I’m sure if there were hoops that needed to be jumped through, the Diocese could manage to jump through them, if they wanted to badly enough.

  • OLD TIMER

    The churches never got away from serving people in need. The empty buildings you mention, are, in most cases, far from empty. If church-owned space could be found, who would manage it ? Would zoning allow such a use ? Wasn’t there a big uproar about the possibility of another homeless shelter anywhere in East Norwalk ? Most of the churches are actively involved in food collections and services of that nature, but hardly equipped to open another shelter. How many people, not counting the mostly church people volunteers, does it take to manage the existing shelter ? How long could the exisitng shelter continue to operate without the volunteers ?

    • Secondhand Rose

      I would imagine the churches would manage the buildings; they already have been even though the buildings stand 75% empty. Not sure whether zoning would allow such a use, the churches would have to go to them to find out. Since the buildings were zoned for schools – which have children and the adults who teach them – it doesn’t sound like much of a step to make a change to children and their mothers. IMHO, the major stumbling block for another shelter to be located anywhere else in Norwalk has to do with the *men* who inhabit them; seems to me there would be much less objection if new shelters, if these church school buildings were to be used for them, were restricted to women and children only. I fail to see how most people could object to sheltering women and children.

      • NorwalkSpectator

        If the church that I am familiar with had started the paperwork and the remodelling of their facility three years ago, they might, just might, have gotten the preliminary stuff done by now. The zoning alone would have taken at least a year to two years to clear. The church would have run out of money to finance the project probably about a year ago, when the major portion of the economy crashed. At least now they can still provide food and clothing to those in need rather than having to file bankruptcy and helping no one.

  • nancy

    to Housing Advocate:

    What are the criteria for housing units at the Y?

    As far as I understand it, the Malta House serves one meal a day (noon) at the Shelter. Menus, and volunteers- vary. Those present come from not only the Shelter but from othre areas of Norwalk where there is need.

  • OLD TIMER

    I don’t think the Y rents rooms anymore. They used to be a very reasonable place to stay, (not free, reasonable) but gave it up when they found they could no longer just lock out long-term residents who were behind in their weekly rent. Tenant’s rights laws required notice and formal eviction process for long term residents. Most of their residents were long term single men with modest incomes. For years they rented rooms as if they were a hotel renting to transients, although the residents were not transients. Many stayed there for years, making the Y a landlord, not an inn-keeper.

  • Nancy

    Hmm. The Y in New Haven used to rent rooms for my Dad YEARS ago to stay in New Haven when he came to visit my mom pre-war II. I think the Y is single occupancy rooms currently.

    Currently, what I see is anyone (or any couple) who makes less than 100,000 really can’t afford to live comfortably in Fairfield County. Sure, the beaches are beautiful, but hard to walk to and appear to have no bus service. Try it without a car around here for a year or so….you are extremely limited in where you can go..and, from my own experience, the “neighbors” change on a fairly regular basis. Our home was in a neighborhood of retired couples or widows/widows, young couples both working, and couples with tiny babies or children who needed daycare so Mom and Dad could bring home the
    bacon.

    When I first ended up in the Shelter one area I was looking at was pursuing “Animal Day Care” ——- as you work all day, your doggie will play.
    Now, however, I am trying to sort out which areas of employment will suit the aging pop. (including me) and use those social service skills from years ago.

    • Secondhand Rose

      Well, I take umbrage at that assumption, Nancy. I have never made more than $32K in my entire adult life, and I’m living pretty well in Fairfield County and always have. Of course, I don’t buy brand new cars every 2 years or so (I prefer used) and I don’t own a house (I prefer to rent), but up until recently I’ve been able to buy whatever I wanted when I needed it, and had money in the bank.

      Due to a few things out of my control (being laid off for 9 months in 2008) and a health problem (breast cancer – and I worked full time every single day while I was on chemo, too) I’ve had a bit of a setback, had to accept a job that pays me only $25K a year, but I’m still able to pay the rent, put food on the table and keep the car in gas. I made the “sacrifice” to do without cable, and after 4 years I hardly miss it. Just got rid of my landline telephone too, didn’t want the extra cost. Paying for both a cell phone and a home phone just seemed too unnecessary in this economy, so I decided to let the more expensive phone go. Haven’t bought any new clothes this year either, but since I’d bought plenty in previous years I’m well set for clothing for all seasons, especially now that being sick has caused me to lose quite a bit of weight. I actually shrank back into some clothing I haven’t worn in about 5 years.

      So you see, I’m a perfect example of how a person can live quite well in Fairfield County on far, far less than $100,000 – particularly if they don’t allow themselves to fall for that “I’ve gotta have everything and I gotta have it NOW!” mentality. I don’t have any need to throw my money away on car payments, mortgage payments, the newest electronic gadget on the market, or this second’s most up to date fashions. Consumerism is not my middle name, even if I do live on the “Gold Coast”.

      I’m not all that happy existing on $25K, but at the moment it’s the best that I can do, thanks to the recession – I’m glad to have ANY job, even one that doesn’t pay very well. And once I’m over the hump of this breast cancer thing, I expect I’ll be able to find an additional part time job to supplement my income until I can get another, better paying full time job.

      Just between you and me, Nancy, I kind of wish I was still collecting unemployment – I made $2,000 a year more in 2008 being UNemployed than I did in 2009 working full time!

  • I Want Answers

    I agree that the NES is mismanaged. However, the way things are we just don’t have the man power or resources to handle this problem. I commend the wonderful and accurate reporting work done here, now we need to act on it. Perhaps more patrols (GA) to identify these spots is a starter. We can then steer people to the right places. There will always be a certain number of people at any given time who are homeless but the aim should be to try and help those WHO WANT the help.

  • OLD TIMER

    Malta House is in East Norwalk in a building owned by St Thomas church and built as a school & convent. It offers shelter, food, and counsel, for single mothers in need. It is supported by the diocese of Bridgeport, accepts donations from other sources, and has an active fundraising program. Manna House of hospitality is a program of the shelter in South Norwalk that offers over 12,000 meals a month to those that show up. Manna house relies heavily on volunteers to prepare and serve the meals, and donations for a lot of the food. The Shelter has a budget of well over 2,000,000 a year with the state dept of social services providing about 1/4 of that. They rely on donations with some help from the City and some from the US dept of housing and urban development. It also has an active fund-raising program.
    Physical space is only a part of the problem at the shelter. Rose is right, it would work much better if families were in seperate buildings from the men.
    Jobs and counseling on how to get and hold a job would be a big step in getting people back on their feet in places of their own. Residential rehab facilities somewhere closeby for indigent addicts would fill a big need and cost less, over the long term, than sheltering untreated addicts.

  • jillcooks

    Thanks Old Timer for clearing up the Malta House and Manna House issue, these are both awesome facilities that are doing a great job. They are unsung and “give their alms in private as not to be seen by men” to loosely quote the bible.

  • Nancy

    As a resident of the Shelter, perhaps I could supply some input, (though probably more questions than answers.

    “I Want Answers ”
    wrote on November 11, 2009 at 5:24

    ” I agree that the NES is mismanaged. However, the way things are we just don’t have the man power or resources to handle this problem. I commend the wonderful and accurate reporting work done here, now we need to act on it. ”

    What are the major problems you see with management of NES and what would you suggest to alleviate the problems at this time?

  • Mike Mushak

    The leaves have fallen, and you can now see two of the homeless camps along Reed Street, one at exit 14 northbound at Fairfield Ave., NE corner, in the woods behind the adopt a spot sign, and one block further down Reed Street towards West Ave., at the corner of Cedar and Reed St., NE corner, look up on the rocks for the tents. You can see all the trash migrating out from these camps, and the piles of waste, bicycles, etc. I wonder if the state police have a policy about campers along the interstate highways, and what the city policy is when the camps are on city property. With a full shelter, what would the police do with these folks?

  • OLD TIMER

    This time of year, local police used to arrest a lot of homeless found sleeping outside with no shelter, on “vagrancy” charges and the courts put a lot of them in jail for the worst of the winter. Vagrancy laws were declared unconstitutional, years ago. Now the ones who want to be incarcerated where they will get three meals a day, free medical care, and a warm place to sleep at night, still manage to get themselves arrested on some minor charge, but the courts tend to turn them loose rather than incarcerate them, partly because the jails are so crowded. There are no places to get most of the homeless the care and shelter they so desperately need. There was a presumably homeless man found dead in a bus stop shelter in Stamford yesterday, and the weather hasn’t gotten really bad yet. The City budgets only $50,000 a year for the shelter and that is more than double what they budgeted in 07-08 budget.

  • James Hinckley

    Religious organizations ARE stepping in and trying to reach the many homeless in Norwalk that exist outside of the NES public response structure. On the last Sunday of the month, Grace Episcopal on Mott Street hosts a “street church” which features a free meal and take-away bag lunch followed by a Eucharist service. Warm clothing, socks, and essentials are also available for those of our homeless who will avail of them. There are SEVERAL other Norwalk churches who are hosting similar programs.

    A new friend that I met in church today mentioned this website and I am delighted to have found it. In the past year, the non-institutionalized homeless of Norwalk have appeared to be very hard to locate, although there are several that count as friends and for whom we supply food and clothing on an individual basis.

    I would like anyone- ANYONE – having information on the location of homeless in the city to get in touch with me by email:

    jameshinckley@hotmail.com

    Perhaps among us all, concealed for the nonce within the folds of our creative reflections, lies the solution to this appalling situation.

    This is a pledge to do whatever possible to bring that about…

    Jim